The Horrors of Hamas and the stupidity of Westerners

hamas has developed so much around war that those in charge cant survive without it the same happened in NI a generation of people raised on war arnt great for much other than war and will probly do what ever they can to maintain it

and they will blame it on israel, as that is the hamas sop

well britain did take the rap for NI and rightly so it was their fault but in this case its alot more unclear im sure israel could do more to support the people intersted in establishing a state im sure they actualy exist

aipac is on tour?

does it work that way?
is thier a protocal one follows to justly be availed of terrorism as a means of expression?
im just saying im not aware of it, or how it is ever justified, no less caused by another.

two thousand years of getting ass's kicked in europe, with zero instances of terrorism from jews.
were we just asking for it then?
or is it some how different?

every freedom fighter in history is a terooris the IRA freed ireland just like the Americans geurilla tactics and what not. they are all just lables and you dont know why the american war of independence happened. i can rell u now that everything happens for a reason and until that is acknowledged there will never be peace in the middle east

result? or regional despots capitalizing on an enemy to arrest control.

i mean we didnt create the iranian muslim revolution, ooops we did.
i mean we didnt create al-queda, ooops we kinda did that one too.

point being a shitload of people think we are the great satan, and should be destroyed regardless of what we do.it isnt like that kid in oregon was to blame for that kids retarded behavior.propaganda is.

Violence is usualy a last resort unless ur a psyco did anybody actualy ever consult with the locals before this was decided?

There are no starving people in Gaza. Since when did you depart from reality?

the left arent fighting for hamas with thier fists, but with thier words.
just think about this for a second.think of all the articles you read from any and all sources, and ask where they got thier information from.when you look at the right wing zionist pro israel stuff, it traces back to sources from the free speech society of israel.when you are reading pro-palastinian stories ask how they got that information, as journalists arent allowed in gaza.not by israel, but by hamas who only allows state run media.when you are reading stories from the palastinian perspective in say the huffington post, you are being fed hamas's spin despite it not being presented that way.
aside from the ocasional palastinian first hand experience, the overwhelming majority of information in regards to what is happening in gaza comes from hamas, and the west bank from fatah.these are not societies in wich information is freely exchanged, and we have no journalists there.

israel isnt starving the palastinians.despite what some would have you believe, this just simply isnt true.im not going to throw hypotheticals at you as tht just breeds a cycle of suppositions.just look at the populations of these areas in wich this "rampant starvation" is occuring.while ethiopa had a legit famine that depleted its population, the palastinians have been steadily growing in number.unless you know a means of how this can happen with out food, it must mean they have enough supplies.not only enough supplies to exist, but to grow.

on a side note, if you have noticed for some reason gazas zoos get alot of attention.it baffles me as to why, but how could a society lack the resources to feed its people, but still be able to mantain zoo's? not only provide food to the animals, but make money from the people to see them.personaly if im starving im not going to the zoo with my limited money.

indiscriminent killing, or the result of aggression? cuz it isnt like israel sought that kid, he sought them.nice use of kosher though.

Thats a serious generalization there does tend to be starving everywhere look at the us even anyway I think they were going for somthing along the lines of the aid blockade

reporters do get in check out black box on this very site I'll put up a link if u put up a link to these zoos

the people of iran are suffering more hunger by our sanctions, than are starving in gaza or the bank.the citizens of israel who are muslim, not jewish, are also not being denied anything.you are talking in very broad innacurate terms, wich actualy prove the point of how you are working for hamas.
you may not know that you are doing it, just like all those crazy old fuckers who were bussed around to town hall debates to fuck'em up, didnt know they were republican shills.you are spouting information about a people whos information is provided to the world, almost exclusively by thier state run media.all that info you are putting out there as humanitarian truth, is hamas exploiting your compasion for thier ends.making israel the bad guys, so no one notices it's them who are the assholes.

if gazans are being starved, or have been starved or what ever the libel of the week is, how do they keep growing in population? literaly im asking how this works.of the real facts we know, is the population numbers, wich have been on steady increase since 48.i just want to know, how it is that the gazans are being starved to death, while thier are actualy more of them, not less than before?

what rachel corrie?
did israelis come here to kill her, or did she not seek it herself?
i mean if you decided to go to a warzone to stop our boys from fucking with iraqi's or afghani's, how long do you think you would survive?thats what happens in a warzone, people die, and that is why we dont go there.

ha cats what a zoo i didnt know crazy peoples houses counted 2 ye but anyway ye the whole animal crueslty thing was an educational thing but how long will these zoos laste for is it not the case that there is the potenial for mass starvation not that it is currently taking place

But why is that place a war zone?

exactly the point.
how is it that these people who are somehow being starved to death (despite growing in number)
maintain the infrastructure required for a zoo?
the food to feed the animals?
the money to pay for its upkeap?
the clientel who pay to visit?

the only way both can be happening, is if the palestinian value system rates a trip to the zoo, above eating.wich is a pretty insane notion, and really insulting to them really.

the zoo's have been there, are there, and will continue to be there.they are accidentaly chronicled in lateral events thanks to our media, journalist's or not.

although i have never been, the afghanis have a zoo.a zoo in wich a pig is an exhibit.just as thier desert fare, are our zoo attractions.but cats is a bit ghetto.

really?
cuz the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, wich no matter what israel does has gaza's government in a defacto state of war.kind of like what north korea does to south korea.
a century of inaction can pass, yet north korea still insists they are at war, and function as such.

at least fatah stepped up to the plate, and met with the enemy declared in thier platform.at least fatah has gone as far as arafat did, in playing the role of the potential peace seeker.hamas cant even be bothered to stop rocket attacks for a day, forget even think about making it all the way to talking about a cease fire.

When the next election sceduled for?

it doesnt really matter, cuz it is a really boring field of candidates on the israeli side.same old guys, nothing really new or exceptional to offer.
on the hamas fatah side it is also irrelevent, as democracy is a farse on thier part.fatah wont be voted out, nor will hamas, as both are terrorist groups, not political parties.

u know the way i can do my muslin thign in israel well can i go start a party in palastine

so there still is no united palastine

thier never has been.
i dont mean to dismiss the palestinians in any way, but as an organized people they have NEVER existed.

so is palatine the box room of the middle east?

??????box room??????

its the small room in a poorly planned house like left over space i sleep in one

in that case yes, exactly.
if the jordanians took them, like the united nations planned this issue wouldnt exist.
if any of the arab nations were willing to take them they wouldnt be in the box room.at the end of the day, israel has settled more palestinians than any other nation.
more palestinians are israeli citizens, than citizens of any other country.

so the more horirifying thing is that the rest of the middle east has abandomed these people whats the story with that arab league of nations thing palastine consults?

the horrifying thing is that other arab nations, mostly ruled by religious despots see the palestinians as a means to thier ends, and exploit them.bet ya cant find a united nations speech by achmadinajad that doesnt center around the palestinians, but god forbid iran takes them.the arab nations are more than willing to go to war on "behalf" of the palestinians, but cant seem to be able to provide anything else for them.

i think the arab league is just a modern day manifestation of the muslim brotherhood, wich does literaly nothing.to my knowledge at least.

The blockade is one of the best things that probly happened to Hamas to support the blockade is inadvertadly support terror ( also directly if u count the actions of Israel )

the blockade actualy had the people turned away from hamas, as they were looking for a government that could actualy make things better in hamas, and hamas failed.

cast lead did save hamas's ass though.

whos wedding what song?

sadam hussain had support for more than just the fact he was muslim

he said muslim nation?

what baby has carried out a suicide bombing?

aw i wanna hear the rest

so they do attack IDF

they attack jews where ever they can.
of the 10 thousand rocket attacks launched over the last decade, zero were at any state institution or representatives (like the idf) was the point i was driving at.

if you remove the idf checkpoint and replace it with a jewish market, they would attack that.

are those attacks even targeted or is it just a fire in the directon of israel scenario

ye searching for thngs here is a load of hassel who do we complain to about that

anyway wonder how similar it is to the pakistan situation? 15 seconds not much of a warning but a warning all the same

that lad at the market isnt really helping the problem

im more interested in the viedeo about the deserter cook

i wouldnt even bother complaining, as current has thier search results dedicated to what they want you to see, so it is deliberate.i doubt our complaints would change what they have already predecided to do.

it is similar to the pakistan situation (with india) in a shit load or respects, but also has differenciating variables, like the muslim's are the new country seeking autonomy in that one, while the muslims in the palestinian/israeli deal are the old guard, not new.

if ya wanna search information (not on current, but in general) that will offer insight to wtf is beneath all the crazy in the israeli/palestinian conflict, check out "dhimi law".

is that the second class citizen status thing

second class would be a step up.it is based on religion so its impossitions are more extreme than just secomd class citizenry.but in concept you got it.

so if muslims are in a majority in israel how come jewish law remains?

muslims are a majority in the region, but a minority in israel.israeli population fluxuates but muslims are between a third or a quarter of the population at any given time.
but it is all about jewish nationalism.
islam has 56 nations, we just want one.so that the attrocities that we suffered as a result of not having a home land will never happen again.

the point about dhimi law, is that the palestinians (as well as other arab nations) hold on to this value system.they dont mind jews being there, just not independantly.they dont mind jews doing anything, as long as it is on islam's terms, not jewish terms.the idea of a jewish state offends the dhimist.christian states as well, but the jewish on is in there backyard.

its seems having a homeland has just given them a target at least they mananged to fend of the first wave how many jews are there in the world?

so contrary to what their actions seem to display the palistinians are against the state of israel not its people?

before they even met the jews WTF? islam was developed round jews and whats the story with christians during jusdgment day?

and dam hittler was close

islam was developed (as i understand it) to settle the issue of jesus.
a shitload of jews thought he was the messiah, while others did not.islam was taking both beliefs and housing them under one roof, hence the importance in islam to be seen as supreme.
the final word in the argument if you will.

christian judgement day?
who knows they are crazy with thier whole heaven hell apacolypse thing.i havent a clue.

shit my people are still waiting for the messiah, forget about end times.lol

isnt islams opinion of jesus the exact same as judaism that is that he was a prophet nothing more

i cant speak authoritively about islam in this regard, but judaism doesnt recognize jesus at all.

doesnt even acknowledge the fact he ever existed?

nope.jesus has no place in judaism.
judaism 6 thousand years old
jesus two thousand years old
judaism was well established long before jesus came along.just as judaism doesnt acknowledge mohamed, as he came along thousands of years later too.

kind of like the beatles not acknowledging nirvana, as nirvana wasnt around to effect the beatles.

ye but the whole messia thing like whats their opinion of that like the way chrisitianity documents saints and things

we dont have saints.our shit is far less fantasical than christianity.we have prophets, like moses and such, but that is about it.so much so that we have another entire book dedicated to evaluating the torah outside of divinity.we dont reach conclusions and present them as divine, but rather keep a book of wise conclusions written by wise rabbis, not saints or prophets.

we are waiting for the messiah.waiting for 6 thousand yrs.as a religion judaism is an experiment in extreme patience lol.jesus came along, and a shit load of jews were like "finaly the messiah has come" and the rest of us were like, "nah hes just a nice jewish carpenter boy".

so wats the messiah gona do when he does come

oh you know, the usual.peace on earth.utopia for all.an end to war.all that rediculous unachiavable stuff