Straight Dope: 13 Most Vile Evil Government Experiments Conducted Without Consent

I was ready to say the same thing.... the sheep in this country are so blind and stupid!!

I agree 100%. We all must care and never give up.

+^d - perspective is good -

I agree we are the result of social experimentation. This realization is extremely depressing.

Great Post and Voted up.
Grace & Peace Be with you.

Belief is admission of ignorance and a crutch, a shield against knowledge. Pride is the beginning of all sins, pride goes before destruction (Proverbs 16:18), and the greatest sin is spiritual and religious pride.

Well said, Steven. The forces of darkness in our hears and minds are persistent and pathetic. We need to turn to the light.

Hey Dad,

The question is, do individuals believe in aliens (like flying space saucers) or aliens as in, there might be some life somewhere else that no one has found....?

I do not believe in conspiracy theories at Area 51, because if there were seriously little green aliens flying around, crash landing on earth, the government is too inefficient to stop their exposure.

I do believe that live is inhabitable on other planets, and that there might be other life somewhere in this universe....

but to assume that that means a government conspiracy (as some below seem to think) occurred where the government is just lying to us about aliens, I don't personally believe it.

Has the government committed crimes against humanity across the globe? That's exactly what the libertarians are trying to expose! Does that mean that aliens are in collusion with the government? I just can't believe that.

Black Helicopters were like the New World Order.....everyone knew they were going on, they just didn't want to admit it.

Green aliens in flying space ships would interact with the people on earth, and if not, talking about it still won't prove it until they show up and start hanging out with us all.

You can be a proud Christian all you want in my book. I will not use state violence on you to impose my preferences, although I should have the right to use personal ostracism, educaiton, and persuasion if I so choose, even defooing is considered proper civilized etiquette.

The thing is, government is always capable of evil, because it's evil right from the start. The concept that 1 person can claim ownership over another is immoral, and that is exactly what governments do. If it's a voluntary government, based around peaceful interaction (no taxation, no victimless crimes, no compulsion) then that is a different story. But governments across the globe today will use violence on you, even if you don't infringe on another person. That is wrong.

Why should I be kidnapped (arrested) for refusing to be drafted into your tyrannous wars? Why should I be arrested for not paying into their ponzi schemes? All I want to do is help more poor and disabled people, yet the government middlemen continue draining everything civilization has, forcing us to work half the year just to satisfy our government obligations (which again are immoral).

Do you accept the Fact that government is coercion (force) and taxation is theft? That this will inevitably lead to corruption? That it is actually corrupt from the very beginning?

Hey can you explain "defooing" I Googled it but I was left wanting.

I want to hear about how evil all politicians are, then I want to hear about how Ron Paul and mike beitler are somehow different

The patterns and the voices in your head. They have medication for that. Another Monsanto hater. I wish I had stock in Monsanto.

I wish all your money was tied up in Monsanto shares, because they presently are in free-fall!

Corndogs: ground animal bits covered in genetically engineered corn meal, then deep fried in fat. It takes a lot of mustard to make them taste good, and even then they come back up an hour later, tasting like bile. That's some gooood eatin'!

You're wrong. There's no medication that can fix me.

How can you possibly defend Monsanto?

Better at hiding it is my guess.

Can you say . . . Fluoride

Can you say . . . Monsanto

I was just thinking the same thing.

I've switched too fluoride-free toothpaste..and my mouth feels just fine!

That's good, but actually I was referring to the fluoride the government is adding to our water supply.

You could always move to North Idaho and be a survivalist, hide out and then you won't have to pay taxes. You really need to stop saying enslavement though, it lessens the impact when the word is appropriate. You're not going to get the echo chamber here, no one feels sorry for you

Will you continue to post this video on every thread?

Amen

So I have to move in order for you not to use state violence on me? I am not looking to avoid taxes, per se.... I am trying to educate the world on why state violence is wrong, immoral, and ineffective....

http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/

You're doing a fantastic job, you have a very nonjudgmental approach

Somalia , is government free ..... must be paradise .

So you believe in aliens, and government magic? Wow.... surprised you're not a Christian also...

I beleive there should be a government, if you believe in anarchy that's fine, but realize its limits, if you want anarchy everyone is going to have to work together, since not everyone is in agreement, it would just fall apart, it's the same with communism. Why are you working on a candidate's campaign if you don't believe in government?

I spread Freedom on every level. Just because you use the soap box does not mean you're a statist, as long as you're calling for ending statism.

you're working with the system and therefore perpetuating state violence

No, no, huge hole in your logic.

Only if someone encourages the state violence are they contributing to it. I have been pulling people away from the brainwashing for a long time, and have done more good than harm (in other words, I pull people away from their compulsion and entrapment based preferences).

Just because a slave gets to choose his slave master, does not mean he is encouraging slavery.... it means he is trying to pick the better life for himself.

Imagine there is a master who beats the crap out of you....and others....now imagine there is a master who gives you breaks, allows you to eat healthier food, allows you free time to play.....

oibviously, picking the 2nd master (since you are forced to pick one of them (and there could be 6 different masters in this scenario)), does not mean you encourage your slavery. It means you are already enslaved, and just have to go for the better type of slave life.....

True, I would like for everyone to stop slavery, but until they do..... I will have to educate others through the less painful master (libertarians).

i think we need rules, not governement perse.. i give shanklinmike a point on the farm thing, but even if that is the case, we need to find the freedom within . we will always have a structured society and rules. otherwise we will be killing each other over a loaf of bread .
and let me be clear ; i am not a law obiding citizen , i try to fight opression and fear . i hate whats going on in the world . but i do see the need for law and rules. being free is in my opinion is not to not have to pay tax or be a productive member of your occupation and society. it is to live where you want . do what you want,when you want it ! i heard a great idea not to long ago ; give every citizen a 1000 dollars a month and let them choose if they want to work ! if you work you have more money. if you dont, you wont starve . and this includes the third world and the other realy poor people on earth . so you have the CHOICE !!! so you are free to decide what you want. and it is possible . just as almost anything is if we ,the people want it.

So you want to perpetuate statism then, you're picking the lesser evil then aren't you? You've already given up, I used to think you were a zealot mike, you really let me down

I'm not saying we should increase government control on anyone except corporations, right now they can do like, whatever they want. I definitely believe in freedom, I'm not really law-abiding either, I ingest banned substances and drive too fast like everyone else, but I realize there is a reason we have to have taxes and a government, if you really think that we'd be better off as anarchy then you are really immature, unless you are a survivalist and generate all your own power and grow all your own food, never use roads or any other government services, then you can claim that you don't owe government anything. Otherwise, you should pay taxes like everyone else so we can all work together. I really believe in personal responsibility and wish people were more independent, but I also realize that life is much easier when we all work collectively

ofcourse you should pay taxes . the tax pays for alot of things we couldnt otherwise afford in this system . but the point is ; the system is not working ! at least not for the majority of people . and i am not for a communist state system either .that didnt work aswell. so we need a new system . do i have all the answers ? no ,ofcourse i dont ! anarchy doesnt solve things either.
we do have problems in this world,you must agree . and we need a better distribution of the wealth in the world.
we need to stop being scared of other opinions and religions. or the color one has.
i know verry well that what i want is not going to happen soon or even at all .
but that doesnt mean we should stop trying to get it !

Exactly, stop trying is giving up, and giving up is accepting what we do not want. If not each and every one of us keep on trying then who?

They very rarely have a real picture of what is going on with the secret budgets...or what government contractors are doing behind closed doors.

If government has no control of the situation then how can individuals?

Kinda like Pandora's box, once opened never closed. Very sad. Only complete economic and civil breakdown would ever end the black side of government. It would be very messy!

Will we ever see positive outcome?

so when you are going to start your revolution??

The revolution is already happening...your just too blind to see it.

Nicely said jubal!

How do i get in on the revolution? i'm so in

We are going to see just how much all this foreign money, and corporate money will effect the november election! Then there will camping trips all over the country, shortly there after!

When the marching begins, I'll meet you all face to face in the streets!

we all should start a revolution ! then,at least, we are doing something !

But testing LSD was a good thing. If they had not done those tests, Ken Kesey would never had brought it out into the open and started the psychedelic revolution of the sixties.

"People don't want other people to get high, because if you get high, you might see the falsity of the fabric of the society we live in."

~ Ken Kesey

Yup... they've done all the experiments they need to. They know exactly how to get rid of us... There's a reason why our food is toxic and information about real nutrition is suppressed even by the AMA. The structure supports it all... but the poisons are slower acting, and they make us lazy.

Aluminum (In deodorant) is toxic and makes people lazy. Ingredients in shampoo and conditioner cause Alzheimer's. In the long term, hand sanitizer actually increases your chances for bacterial infection... fluoride is a fucking neurotoxin that also causes hardening of organs. The list goes on and on.

+^'d. That is a rather good list of things to avoid on a daily basis.

Interesting isn't it how the life expectancy has gotten longer and longer... in 1930 it was 59.7 then in 2005 it was 77.8.. .if all the things that we eat and drink are so dangerous for us how do you explain that we keep adding years to our life expectancy? Aye there's the rub..all this doom and gloom stuff just doesn't square with the facts...and facts can be some pretty tough things to overcome when one is trying to mislead.

Perhaps quality of life and the cost of medical care should also be included in statistics. Being doped out of your mind at assisted living facilities across the nation does not really count as living.

I hear a sound. It is the sound of insurance companies and the medical establishment sucking the money out of life. Can't kill them until they are broke.

i so agree ! the health systems all over the world mostly benefit the company's and the governement. it has nothing to do with us living longer or if we eat better. it's all about cash ! no more,no less.

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http://www.suite101.com/content/life-expectancy-increasing-a205393#ixzz11vXijxxr

That's a good point that's often raised. Commonly accepted data shows that life expectancy IS on the rise. If you believe that life expectancy is going up, (which I actually think could be distorted cherry-picked data, anyway) In the short term, our life expectancy IS going up because of things like antibiotics (which, in the long term will essentially breed even worse versions of these pathogens that are immune to our science..), in the long term, over generations, we're actually stacking up more and more genetic deviations. That's why disease like diabetes and cancer are now so prevalent. With each generation that passes... we poke more and more holes into our genome. There's also this quote:

"Among 17 countries studied by the Conference Board of Canada, average life expectancy (combined men and women) was highest in Japan (82.4 years). The next longest livers are in Switzerland (81.7), followed by Italy (81.2), Australia (81.1), and Sweden (80.8). Canadians came next with an average life expectancy of 80.7 years.

Seventeenth, and last on the list, is the United States where the combined average life expectancy of men and women is 78 years. However, there are still many nations (Jordan and Cyprus are examples) not in the Conference Board study that do better than the U.S.

This poor showing prompts the people at World Life Expectancy to comment, “…when you spend twice as much on Healthcare as anyone else and you can’t even crack the top 30 in the world life expectancy rankings, it’s no wonder the country wants to know what’s going on.”

We use the most products, we create the most waste. And among developed nations we have some of the most terrible health ratings... There's a fact for you.

Eventually we will see a steep decline which should correlate with an accumulation in damage (or some LD-50 point) that we're doing, that's my guess.

Yeah. And as OUR life expectancy is on the rise... people in less developed nations are on a decline, pretty much as a direct result of American greed. To be fair, some European companies own a lot of water infrastructure in some undeveloped nations, too... and they refuse to make it fairly available, or fix failing pipes or pump stations (Which is their prerogative as capitalists, I suppose)... and poor water quality is one of the number one culprits in worldwide mortality. We essentially take SO MUCH, it helps our expectancy go up, and pushes others down.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I was in Vietnam in 1968-69 and have seen first hand the quality of life that the lack of modern medicine,untreated water, and food that is grown and consumed in very unsanitary conditions provides. I'll take our system over that, but you see it differently and that's cool with me.

That was a different world with a lot less people and still developing systems. I would certainly have taken our old system but I am locked out of the new insurance system. In this country the average life span should be growing, but it is not. I do respect your view though. Once someone has witnessed a complete lack of basic services that we have become accustom to, our country looks like heaven. It is unfortunate that our delivery system is becoming more and more expensive.

On that we both are on the same page, I have never understood why the cost of medical care isn't spread out over the entire population the same way that police and fire protection are.

ofcourse you would ! i bet the vietnamese would too ! but that doesnt mean it's any good ! it just means you take what they give you . and it's by no means a fair or good system. i live in the netherlands. i used to live in a country where you would get help . no matter what ! rich or poor,black or white . but even here we are running after the states and we are getting the same bullshit they where feeding the u.s .
but what it al comes down to is ; people have become more and more selfish and scared.
due to bush and his "war on terror " bullshit . dont get me wrong though ! the people who had anything to do with 9-11 have to be caught and punnished . no doubt ! but that doesnt mean every muslim is a terrorist or a radical . and people have to understand what happens to people who are left out of society . i am a white male an.d i live in a country that's pretty mellow, but even i have met with racism,facism and i know what it feels like not to be a part of society . ofcourse it was part my own doing . but even now i see more and more people being sort of excomunicated .
fact is, we live in a multi cultural society . we want freedom from opression and persecution, just like everyone else does. we want healthcare for all, and good healthcare not based on your wallet. ( and please dont give me any comunist crap ) it is a human right ! i cant believe that a country would let a baby die because of a little thing like insurance ! when did life get trumpd by cash ? and we all know this happens in the states.
one of the richest and most resourcefull nations on the planet ! if you have any doubts to what i say on healthcare in the states , just watch sicko by micheal moore . and i am not saying that everything he shows is 100% treu . but even if 20% is treu, it's appauling !!
and we all know white's get better care then blacks do. i used to buy in to the home of the brave,land of the free stuff . until i realised that it's neither. it's just a phrase. sadly enough. and i do not hate america . i just wish they would live up to the shining example that the u.s is saying to be. sorry if i got a bit sidetracked :)

Hey I'm with you 100%, it makes no sense to allow insurance companies to hold your childs life hostage! This idea that something as immoral as placing a price tag on a human beings' life is savage in my opinion. I have visited Europe often and i will be among the first to say I want the U.S. to develop a similar system...we had that opportunity but lost it when President Obama dropped the public health care option from the reform bill...that alone should demonstrate the strangle hold the insurance corporations have over our government here. So many of our legislators here are the recipients of money and favors given out by corporations that the citizens have very virtually no persuasive power over them. Sure, we can vote them out, only to be replaced by someone else who quickly sells out.

So where are we headed here in US? There is one statistic that brings US up in rating, that is incarcerations. The picture is bleak for us in US. Consume, consume, consume, get incarcerated, and die. All while insurance companies, unethical corporations, corrupt justice system consumes Americans as another product.

Valid points, many problems you have raised are direct result of greed.

We have turned into consuming zombies.

Indeed.

it has already happend ! there IS a price on our heads . and it's controlled by your insurance company . no better example than in the u.s.a ! the problem is with all the "old boy's " on capitol hill . these dino's have been there forever and have no clue to what it means to live on welfare or to have to work 3 jobs just to get by and feed your kids. 3 JOBS !!! you want to get a job that feeds you and your kids and dont have to get 2 additonal ones !! it's insane !! minimum wage people ! there is a reason why it's called that ! thank god we have unions in my country , that havent been worked out by the greedy top 10 % . these days i would be ashamed to sing the u.s national anthem !
bit at the end of the day.... that is what the american people voted for. and if you all want change you can get it !! but the sad thing is that the people who are doing allright keep eating the bullshit that the propaganda machine is feeding them. and as long as white suburbia is scared shitless by muslims and terror threats and the black boy next door, things will never change....

it is, and it's the western greed that is keeping africa hungry , when there is no need to. we produce enough food to feed everybody well in the whole wide world ! why dont we give our surplus foods to the needy ? anywhere in the world ! this may sound like a commi thing to say and maybe it is. i dont know.... but the same is true with a lot of things in this world. we could do with a little less and give others a much better life. if we wanted too.
if we let our hearts speak we give millions to haiti or to a famine stricken country. and it is not nesscary . it all comes down to greed and the crummy leadership and examples we see.
i hope that one day we will say we had enough. and share the world's riches worldwide.
so everyone will have clean water and 3 meals a day and a decent roof over their heads.
i know it's utopia . but i keep dreaming !!!

i do believe obama wanted this to happen, but the company's make too much money now at your expence. so they have a verry strong lobby in the whitehouse. and as you know money talks..... and none are more corrupt then the bastards at capitol hill. politics is a very dirty game. and it is a game ! and they see it as a game , eventhough they know it's about people and they dont give a shit ! not as long they can have thier big house ad fat car with a driver and a bunch of mexicans cleaning thier house ! and they will fight HARD to keep thier fat asses on the seat !

And there you have it. FUBAR

So true.

I join you in this dream. Sadly this is not what America is all about, is it? Power, power and more power. The saddest thing is we are fed "it's for your safety", "it's for the freedom". I do not feel safe or free.