Community | October 09, 2010 | 93 comments

Israeli Settler Runs Over Protesting Palestinian Children

source: http://www.juancole.com/2010/10/israeli-settler-runs-over-protesting-palestinian-children.html

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Aljazeera is reporting(http://bit.ly/cylxG6) on an Israeli settler hit-and-run attack by automobile on two young Palestinian boys in Silwan protesting the expansion of Israeli settlements and theft of Palestinian land there. As horrible as the video is to watch– and one hopes the boys are not gravely injured– it is a remarkable simile for what the settlers are doing to the Palestinians.

For more see this report.(http://bit.ly/aTT1Z0)

The Jerusalem Fund estimates that there have been on average 2 vehicular attacks per month on Palestinians by Israeli settlers(http://bit.ly/ajMtLH) in the Palestinian West Bank during the past year and a half.

Israel conquered and occupied the Palestinian West Bank in 1967 and since the early 1970s has been illegally settling Israeli citizens in this occupied territory. Large swathes of Palestinian land have been usurped, along with water and other resources, and Palestinians under foreign military rule have been left stateless, without citizenship or rights or a say over their own destinies.
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93 comments // Israeli Settler Runs Over Protesting Palestinian Children // Video

  • congoboy
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  

    • indeed horrible to watch but those kids should have been at home watching scooby doo under proper parental supervision instead of throwing rocks at the cars of innocent jews. looks like they jumped in front of the car to me. someone throws a rock at my car when im innocently passin through the hood and im gonna gun it too, if youre in my way too bad.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • crystalman
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  

    • The child who was ‘run over’ was not run over at all. The car hits him and he bounces up in to the air. But look at the footage carefully and you will see that he runs into the path of the car. Next, look at him being bundled away by the mob. He does not appear to be seriously hurt – and he is being manhandled roughly into a vehicle, hardly the way to treat someone who may be injured.

      It’s the theatre of propaganda all over again. And the west falls for it, every time.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccwQfy3oS6g
      what is fascinating is how important this particular video is to some, while an endless stream of the same occurance, just with different results isnt worthy of mention.
      lets just say hypotheticaly that this rock throwing at jews bit began in 2005.even though it began long before israel was a state as a matter of kid games in the region, lets just say it has only been happening for five years.

      and lets say that it only happens once a quarter on average wich is insanely low.so in five years you have people who have been recieving rock attacks at thier cars for the last five years, with about 20 referenced incidents.

      supposing this video is shocking, in how brutal a jewish settler could be (10 bucks it wasnt a settler, they like to fight back a little too much) but how many years would you tolerate repeated stone attacks, before you start to show your teeth.i mean five years of stone attack after stone attack is a long time to have restraint.i know i have a short fuse, but how many of you would tolerate pacively having rocks thrown at your car on any given random day?5 years of wondering if this is the day i get to pay for a new windshiled, or possibly be killed?

      the fact that the car just accelerated, shows how authentic and slight the escalation is on the part of israeli civilians, as if it were premeditated the israel would surely have had a crow bar or gun ready for just such an event.how many times would you hear a nieghbor got hit driving the route you drive, before your compelled to carry a weapon.we get alarm systems put in when the nieghbors get robbed, so how long till we would arm ourselves in preparedness to be aggressive? 5 yrs?

      this has been happeneing since before 48, and when an israeli car is met with rocks it is just part of what the palestinians do.thats it, it is just how it is, totaly ok.but now huge news.the news is some one in the palestinian/israeli debate betting pool, just one a huge bet.when the civilians would fight back and cease pacivity.62 years, excellent record.we couldnt have done it for a week.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  

    • you mean israeli driver runs over palestinian aggressors as they move infront of his car to hurl rocks through window.but hey, why tell the whole story, just the parts that sell your spin

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK8Z3i3aTq4

      Murdered, run over by a Jewish extremist in Israel.

      They ran over her once, and then backed over her just for good measure.

      I notice there is always such vitriol and hatred shown against Rachel Corrie, and then I see comments where people laugh at children being run over and it's always coming from the same kind of people.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      who is the extremist, the guy whos job it was to drive the bulldozer, or the dumbass who flew half way around the world just for the purpose of standing in front of said bulldozer?
      i wanted aparthied to end in south africa when i was younger, but i didnt feel the need to stand in front of the aggressive force.cuz that would be stupid.

      out of curiosity what kind of people send thier children to attack others?

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
  • crystalman
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      so if you characterize the acts of settlers as savage, and they arent nearly as violent as the palestinians, what is the appropriate word that describes the palestinians?
      i mean ill give you savage can poeticaly fit when describing the destruction of olive trees, but what adjective does stone throwing,suicide bombings,bulldozer attacks,rocket attacks earn.if the settlers are savage, by your standards the palestinians must be demonic.

      out of curiosity, being as you are so offended at these settlers for occupying what once was palestinian land, why would you not be equaly bothered by them occupying poland or russia? why is them living in the place they were born unnacceptable, but relocating to a foriegn land acceptable?

      if that is acceptable, then why the big deal with the jews setting up shop in palestine in 48? you are clearly advocating manifest destiny in regards to homeland for jews in your desire for them to go to europe.why is it ok to oust europeans for the sake of the jews, but its not ok for jews to remain where they were born?

      on a side note, you love you some conspiracy theory.yet your detector seems to never go off when it comes to "settler" attacks.sure tons of video exist of them acting like jackass's as they tend to be.but the acts of violence never show them as setlers.that doesnt seem to intreague you at all huh.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • maasanova:

      indeed horrible to watch but those kids should have been at home watching scooby doo under proper parental supervision instead of throwing rocks at the cars of innocent jews. looks like they jumped in front of the car to me. someone throws a rock at my car when im innocently passin through the hood and im gonna gun it too, if youre in my way too bad

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      so when some one catagorizes all of islam as terror laden it is a hatefull broad generalization lacking tuth, but settlers are savage huh?
      how do you know the driver was a settler?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • freecrack:

      it is common for many muslims to sacrifice their own people including children as human shields or worse to further their propaganda war. the driver may have even been a palestinian.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • maasanova:

      it is common for many muslims to sacrifice their own people including children as human shields or worse to further their propaganda war. the driver may have even been a palestinian.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • congoboy:

      despite you intentialy baiting, my responses arent a ploy.i respond as i believe.im not after ya.im not after maasanova either.shit kennymotown i find so offensive i stay away from him like the plague.

      aypis i cant resist though.i mean its just too easy with him.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • Ah yes. Everytime an Israeli runs over someone who is not a Jew, just like Rachel Corrie, it's always some elaborate set up.

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • maasanova:

      Rachel Corrie was OUTRIGHT murdered, but I think this was most probably justifiable. I mean if I were driving through the Ghetto and a group of youths TRIED to stop my Vehicle there would be LOTS of folks going to the Morgue or Hospital.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
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    • maasanova:

      Rachel Corrie was a Jew hating, life hating loveless loser who got what she deserved. She committed suicide and good riddance. She's almost certainly still stewing in her own impotent rage on the other side.

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • crystalman:

      Crystal, Crystal, Crystal, I wait and wait for you to come up with an original thought and not just regurgitate via copy & paste crap some other Arab hater says and you come up with this ignorance? I am disappointed!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      really though?
      you expectidly say land grab, and i expectedly say spoils of war.
      some one says rachel corrie is an innocent victim, crystal passionatly offers his rebuttle.
      dissapointed really?

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • freecrack:

      The Nazi's TRIED the Military Necessity defense at their trials and it did not fly either. I mean it is NOT as if she died in a gun battle between Hamas and the IDF. She was ran over on purpose by an IDF @shhole for no other reason than he KNEW he could get away with it.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      http://trials.th

      no the nazis did not try the necessity of defense arguement to validate thier deeds at thier trials.they claimed "just following orders".orders wich had absolutely basis in defense of thier nation, as jewish german citizens posed literaly no threat.not a single jewish group of any sort was serving the enemies of germany.

      he could get away with it, the same way anyone gets away with doing thier job in the face of protesters.check out the wto meeting in seattle in the late 90's, at let me know how many of those cops were brought up on charges.it is the same across the world.you tie yourself to a tree to stop loggers, eventualy if they cant remove you, you will be killed.just that simple really.

      she was prepared to be a martyr, and she got what she sought.it doesnt make the driver accountable to us, just to god.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
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    • http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140013

      Following several Arab lynch attempts in the Shiloach-City of David areas of Jerusalem, the Knesset’s Child Welfare Committee held a session entitled, “The Involvement of Children in Rock-Throwing in Shiloach.” MKs Ben-Ari and Ahmed Tibi argued furiously.

      MK Ben-Ari (National Union) said that anyone, including children, who throws rocks and endangers Jewish lives should know that he can be shot. Arab MK Tibi said Ben-Ari and the “entire committee” should see a psychiatrist.

      The session was called by Committee Chairman MK Danny Danon of the Likud.

      MK Taleb a-Sana (Raam-Taal) confronted MK Ben-Ari and called him a fascist. Ben Ari replied: “you are a terrorist who came here to provoke and you use children as killers.” Danon had a-Sana removed when he refused to behave properly. Three days ago, David Be’eri, founder of the Jewish community in Ir David-Shiloach, entered into a rock-throwing ambush; in his haste to escape, he hit two rock-throwing children with his car. It also appears from video of the event that he had swerved to avoid hitting a third, smaller child. The event was filmed by cameramen who “happened” to be on the scene.

      “You’re all crazy,” Tibi railed. “This session is because of a boy who was hurled into the air by a car, not because he threw rocks!”

      Representatives of the Ministries of Public Security, Welfare and Housing took part in the session, as did social service workers, Jerusalem Municipality officials, members of Yeshivat Ateret Cohanim and the Council for Children’s Welfare, and others.

      A Jewish air-conditioning repairman was attacked in the same area by an Arab mob last week, and was rescued only after he took refuge in the home in which he was working and was spirited out with the help of neighbors. He said the police refused to enter the neighborhood when he called them.

      Jewish residents of the area wrote a letter on Sunday to the Minister of Public Security and the Police Commissioner, demanding that Jerusalem Police Chief be fired as a result of the recent attacks.

      Just last night, an Israeli guard was lightly wounded in his head by rocks in Shiloach. He was taken to Hadassah Hospital for medical treatment.

      Call Their Parents!
      “This is not the first time that the Arab population in Silwan (Shiloach) uses children dangerously and cynically by sending them to clash with Jewish passersby,” MK Danon said. “Their parents must be summoned for immediate investigation. We must do whatever is necessary to stop this phenomenon of children throwing rocks.”

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
  • crystalman
  • Radical_Centrist
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      but not terrorists.
      not with thier faces covered like cowards.
      not throwing stones.
      in fact in narrative almost identical.even down to the claim of land, and threats of death.mirror image, except it was said by a drunk orthedox israeli, not a radicalized palestinian as they were retreating, not attacking.
      minor but important difference when looking at a CONFLICT.

      just words.all the aggression exists, but stays as words.the most aggressive, vile type, but just words.

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
  • SuperGayJesus
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • SuperGayJesus:

      indeed horrible to watch but those kids should have been at home watching scooby doo under proper parental supervision instead of throwing rocks at the cars of innocent jews. looks like they jumped in front of the car to me. someone throws a rock at my car when im innocently passin through the hood and im gonna gun it too, if youre in my way too bad

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • bailey78
  • Radical_Centrist
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      so what part of what is basicaly just extended footage, is not truth? how is the extended footage of make something not true?
      you can take all the little bits of footage and mix them together to create a fictional documentation of an event.but the exteneded bit doesnt negate it but explain it.unless in your nieghborhood it is common to see rock bouncing kids with cloaked faces hiding around an almost blind curve.to me that adds alot as to how and why this event occured.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      indeed horrible to watch but those kids should have been at home watching scooby doo under proper parental supervision instead of throwing rocks at the cars of innocent jews. looks like they jumped in front of the car to me. someone throws a rock at my car when im innocently passin through the hood and im gonna gun it too, if youre in my way too bad

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
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    • http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/MSM,_Stone_Throwe...

      The Guardian published an AFP/Getty Images photo with the following tip for photographers, nothing could be further from the truth:

      'The photographer, Ilia Yefimovich, is in the right place at the right time and captures this dramatic scene using a large depth of field and fast shutter speed.'

      But Yefimovich wasn't the only photographer who simply got lucky. The incident was also captured by the Associated Press, the European Pressphoto Agency and Al Jazeera, among other news services. How did everyone manage to be in "the right place at the right time?"

      HonestReporting put the question to David Katz, veteran photographer and imagery advisor. He offered four reasons why he was sure the incident was set up, with collusion between the rock-throwers and the photographers.

      1. The Location

      Silwan isn't really the most tense place. Photographers waiting for stone-thowings would be more likely to go to places like Bilin or Hebron. You wouldn't hang around Silwan unless you knew ahead of time that something was going to happen.

      Also, the only photographers who can safely work in Silwan are the ones who are already known to the locals. Newcomers wouldn't be allowed to operate, and would be in physical danger. I've seen it.

      Confirming Katz's latter point, an Israeli Channel 2 film crew was stoned in the same area on Sunday.

      2. The Photographers' Positions

      When photographers are getting ready for something, but they're not sure how it's going to play out, they tend to position themselves close together. Here, the photographers are more spread out at different sides of the action. It seems everyone wanted to get their own unique position.

      Israel has security cameras around Silwan, so there may be CCTV footage of what happened before, during, and after the stone-throwing. If there is, there are a few things I'd watch for. At what point did the photographers position themselves? The other cars parked there: were they deliberately put there? At what point was the back window hit? If other cars were allowed to safely pass before the stone throwing, it would shed light on whether they were targeting the driver (the driver, David Be'eri, is the director of Elad, which advocates for Jewish families living in eastern Jerusalem), or whether they just happened to get him.

      If the stone throwing were really spontaneous, the kids should've been throwing from above. It's safer for them, and they can do as much damage, if not more. But that's less photogenic.

      3. Reactions to the Hit and Run

      When a car's coming at you, and hits a kid, your first thought is your personal safety and what's happening to the boy. But when you watch the video, nobody looks scared, nobody screams in horror. The children just continue throwing stones and the photographers keep snapping photos.

      I have to wonder what the photographers were expecting. What would they have done if the car had stopped? Everyone there knows that when a car is stoned, the driver's in greater danger if he just stops. Is that what the photographers thought would happen?

      As human beings, the photographers should've warned the police. But today's Mideast photographers are a different breed. Because of the nature of the business -- it's a cash cow -- why spoil a good picture?

      4. The Dynamics of Staged Stoning Attacks

      Adults, perhaps one of the local elders, will tell the kids to throw stones. Another adult who has connections and friends with photographers will tip them off.

      It's absolute collusion. Why? It's either for money, for politics, or both. The news agencies want these images because they sell, and they fit in with their worldview. Photographers know these kinds of images will move. Most importantly, if there had been no photographers present, there would have been no incident.

      It's the same dynamic HonestReporting noted after a fatal Israeli-Lebanese border clash in August. In that incident, five Reuters photographers and others happened to be on hand on the Lebanese side of the border when Israeli soldiers doing routine maintenance work came under fire.

      That time, the fallout was more than a broken leg. An Israeli commander, two Lebanese soldiers, and a Lebanese journalist were killed.

      In both Silwan and Lebanon, the press was tipped off ahead of ahead of time, but gave the impression that the incidents were spontaneous. They clearly weren't. What happened in Silwan wasn't news -- it was a staged photo-op.

      This is a media creation. The incident would not have happened without the presence of willing journalists and does not reflect the reality of the situation. The resulting images will be used for further propaganda, a new type of "fact" on the ground in the media battle.

    • 1 year ago
  • ZeroX
  • freecrack
  • Radical_Centrist
  • freecrack
  • ayipis
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  

    • well as i saw in crystalmans video it was a setup they wanted the car to stop so they could kill the people in it. The kids standing in the road were pawns in the act. I can not say I would not have done the same thing. i can say I see things as they are. An they are fucked up beyond belief

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • bailey78:

      The Settlers are FAR more violent than the army in MOST cases. Talk about domestic terrorists they make the American Militia people look like pacifists! Listen to how FILTHY mouthed these teen girls are to this old lady. I would slap the taste out of my Daughters mouth if she disrespected an elderly person like these brats are doing.

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • bailey78:

      I am in no way defending what the Palestinians were doing here. They were 100% in the wrong, but you let me fuk you over for 44 years with no assistance and see if you do not resort to extreme measures as well.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      wanna compare lethal violence stats between palestinians and israeli settlers, and compare wich side presents itself as the more aggressive of the two.even if you dont differentiate acts of aggression (rocket launching, olive tree whats the difference right) the palestinians still come out far ahead.

      granted it is actualy an absurd thing to even bother with as it concludes nothing helpfull.the palestinians are not representing a specific section of the larger population, but the population, when they do shit like this, and the settlers are representing a minority group(the settlers have very little kinneset representation).the stats will always show the palestinians having more.when comparing a the palestinians to the settlers in regards to who is more prone to civil violence, the sheer number of palestinians make these incidences uncomparable.

      but at the end of the day, lethal force or not lethal force is the question.oklahoma can hate texas all it wants as long it is words.words as opposed to suicide bombings help to keep people from dying, regardless of conflict.it would be nice if the palestinian israeli conflict was carried on on a soccer field, but one side refuses to stop the escalationn the nature of the conflict, amongst its civilians.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      you or your children.
      who can do you so wrong, that you are willing to attack them with your child as the weapon?
      wouldnt you do everything you could to step up to protect your kids, not use them?

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • freecrack:

      golda mier was a NUT! Peace will come when Israel has NO CHOICE but to make a fare peace with the Palestinians. With the economic shape of the US I think that day will be sooner than later. China is not nearly as into AIPAC ass kissing as we are.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      can ya do me a favor and pick what acts of golda's constitute her being a nut? jusk asking so i can offer what her counterparts were up to at the time of what ever instances you choose to pull.ya know that crazy full story bit again.how many wars did she start again?

      what part of israel is unfair compared to the palestinians.i mean the israelis offered to share the region (repeatedly) as the palestinians refuse.so where is this unfairness you speak of?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • congoboy:

      44 years?
      if you are inclined watch the documentary "the forgoten refugees"

      or check out pre 48 history.the palestinians used to hang out behind the western wall on fridaysto hurl rocks over the top and hit jews as they pray.way more than 44 years of aggression towards the jews from palestinians.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  

    • ''When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons."

      ''Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.''

      Golda Meier

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • RoboSquatch99
  • crystalman
  • freecrack
  • Radical_Centrist
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      You certainly missed out on the information that it's the Arabs, and not the Israelis, who are occupying East Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria (aka the west bank to suckers and bigots.). But then you are part of the herd of sheeple brainwashed by the lamestream media, so whaddya know?

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      it funny you say that, cuz we missed it too, yet they have an entirely seperate government.it must be nice to have a sliding scale like that.when israel builds settlements in the bank, it is wrong because that is palestinian land that israel has absolutely no right to encroach on.then when it doesn suit bashing israel, you can just switch to the bank isnt palestinian as it is under israeli occupation.each argument negating the other, but why bother with reason right?
      just bashing on one side for sport.
      you mock crystalman for what he does to the palestinians (wich i dont care for either) as you mirror him in regards to israel.only difference at least he sticks to a narrative, not changing it depending on what spin works best to demonize.

      jews in the bank are killed for the crime of being not muslim arab.
      the ruling government of the bank is fatah.
      israel has not one military base, or even unit located in the bank.
      israel doesnt even have a police station in the bank.

      the only influence, or occupation of the west bank israel has is yelling at them from jerusalem.
      brutal i know.how prohibitive to life that can be.i mean i have kids who play outside all day so im oppressed too.damn power of noise proximity.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • RoboSquatch99:

      indeed horrible to watch but those kids should have been at home watching scooby doo under proper parental supervision instead of throwing rocks at the cars of innocent jews. looks like they jumped in front of the car to me. someone throws a rock at my car when im innocently passin through the hood and im gonna gun it too, if youre in my way too fuckin bad

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      nope.the conscrition age in israel is still 17, they dont do far worse than this to children.the general state of affairs amongst the israelis, is to wait till adult age before using thier sons and duaghters as combatants, not 12.unlike the palestinian view that you are never to young to kill, the israelis like to wait and create as much of a descent human being before they allow that element.kind of like us and every other civilized nation, even china.

      kind of makes you wonder if a society tolerates children warriors so much, how many of the children killed on the palestinian side by the idf, have the palestinians to blame for putting them in that situation?

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  

    • Yep, accidentally a lot of people had their cameras ready.

      The driver did the smartest thing he could have done in this given situation.
      Because this media ambush was planned specifically to make the world see Israelis as rabid, evil dogs foaming at the mouth waiting to kill innocent children. If the driver had used his gun in self defence, Israel would've fallen right into the media trap those retards set for it. Rocks can kill and these savages.....including the photographers.... are attempted murderers.

      The good thing is that these simians lie clumsily. I needed to watch no more than a minute for this video's untruth to be plain. By three minutes it was blatantly obvious it was staged for Al-Jazeera, al-Beebzeera, the Crescent News Network et al.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • ahiguy
  • corndog67
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      corndog67  

    • Brought a rock to a car fight. In the United States and most other "civilized" countries, we teach our children to stay out of the road. Apparently, in some countries, you teach your children to absolutely "HATE" the other guys, and it doesn't matter which side you are on, you breed your children to HATE. There is a lot of sniveling on this site about how the Isrealis treat the Palestinians, how the Palestinians treat the Isrealis, but it is both sides. You cannot teach hate to your kids from birth, and expect anything different.

      Peace? It isn't ever going to happen, it has never been peaceful there, and it isn't going to change, no matter how much money "WE" throw at it.

      Let them kill each other off. On their own dime. We are apparently arming both sides. Why?

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • corndog67
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      corndog67  
    • crystalman:

      You're absolutely right. They are both fucked in the head. Neither side believes the other has a right to live. So do you think that there will ever be peace there, Lassie? Seriously, is there ever going to be peace?

      What do you mean by moral equivalence? Running over kids with cars? Or letting your kids go in harms way to throw rocks at cars? How about firing rockets over the border, just all willy-nilly, or the other side firing them back over, all willy-nilly (I like that word) again.

      CrystalLassie, personally, and I have no stake in either side, I'm Asian, I don't see a difference between them. Assassinations, bombings, taking each others land, just all this bullshit that both sides are doing. No difference at all.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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    • corndog67:

      israel teaches its kids to hate?
      can you show the link of the israeli media (cartoons whatever) that teaches isralei kids to hate palestinians?
      are you supposing as a jewish state that it means hating palestinians? as in judaism teaches hate for the palestinians? i dont think you are, but just checking, cuz you implyed it by not isolating the palestinians in teaching hate alone.

      peace will happen, when liberty happens.and liberty has to come from the people.im putting my money on the internet doing it, as hamas can bearly produce tv, no less moniter the internet better than the kids can figure it out.

      we arm israel cuz it is a huge strategic asset to us, as they are the only democratic nation in the region.unless you think the cia being blown up in jordan was a one off, and we can trust middle east intel from whom ever? who made the drones? who makes our bullets? who creates the technology required for the top of the line military? israel is who.

      the palestinians are being armed by iran, with recycled soviet technology, not us.qassam rockets are home made.the katusha is the iranian missle.hezzbollah is an iranian group for crying out loud.and the old ak47 is difinitively not ours.i dont know abou the explosives, but im betting not american made cemtex.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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    • corndog67:

      israel has no place in its constition, nor has ever declared even the desire for the destruction of the palestinians.not once ever has it been israeli policy to destroy the palestinians.now the palestinians on the other hand have just the opposite unwavering policy.

      not one israeli citizen has ever once launched a rocket at palestinian civilians, or palestinians period.

    • 1 year ago
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    • freecrack:

      Your bias is very obvious. I'm looking at it from a viewpoint of neutrality. When the Isrealis start building more housing in the disputed areas, against the wishes of the UN, the US, and everyone else, just to make a point, they are throwing fuel onto the fire. You act like they do nothing to incite the Arabs. Now I agree that the Arabs are not blameless, but neither are the Isrealis.

      As for the statement that the Isrealis have never launched a rocket at the Palestinian civilians, I'm relatively sure that they have. I'm not going to research it, because it really doesn't matter. It wouldn't bother me if they blew each other off the face of the earth.

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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    • corndog67:

      We are NOT arming the Palestinians and AIPAC is the reason we are arming the Israelis. Truth be told if America minded it's own business I think they would have reached a peace agreement a while ago. They were on the road to peace with Yitzhak Rabin, then some SETTLER nut assassinated him. So much for their peace loving ways.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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    • corndog67:

      while my bias is on my sleeve, i just posted facts.not prpaganda or even spin, but the truth.if you are looking for nuetrality, i wish you well as i really dont think in this conflict such a thing exists.not just on current, but amongst all of us in the global community.

      i agree that the settlements are a dick move.especialy being that israel has a shitload of land they could develop outside of the bank.if they didnt it would be a whole other story, but yes building in the bank is incitement.but im not really as bothered by that compared to what the other side does in kind.i mean would we even be talking about this issue at all if the conflict was waged on real estate terms alone?no matter how many construction projects israel undertakes, they wont be wrong compared to slaying innocents.not even in the same ball park of offenses.

      you dont have to research it, cuz im telling you it just isnt the case.israeli civilians do not launch rockets at palestinians.not since before 48 has that even remotely been a viable accusation.you can assume equivication if you like, but it doesnt change facts.

      the israelis destroyed land and homes.they killed palestinian soldiers, and later palestinian civilians with thier military.but never has the civilian population of israel lowered themselves to terrorize the palestinians as the palestinians terrorize them.

      if my bias makes this ring hollow, learn on your own.
      but fat and stupid is no way to go through life son-dean wormer

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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    • Radical_Centrist:

      aipac is the reason we are arming israel? really?
      not cuz:
      israel creates the premire technology that we require to survive?
      israel is the only source of reliable intel in the region?
      israel is the only nation willing to execute what benefits us in the middle east?
      israel is the only nation fighting our enemies in the region our enemies proliferate?
      i mean these are some pretty good reasons, that really make what aipac has to say moot.

      out of curiosity, if it is us who are arming israel, can you explain the drone situation.cuz they do exist as a premire technology, and we didnt create it.so who is arming who again.
      check where our military ammunition is made too while you are at it.
      whos security is dependant on whom?

    • 1 year ago
  • randallr01
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gi2z6sRSnQ

      Here's an analysis of the set up. And it was a set up. The driver had no other choice but to continue otherwise he and his child would have been in mortal danger, This man carried a gun (read a real newspaper and find out the details), yet he refused to use it. This is the reality in Israel, where parents of 'Palestinian' children allow them to try and stand off a car.

      The Arabic media lies to you again: the terrorist play the victim.

      Islamic terror seems innocence when it's not in Europe.

      Terror Journalists in Israel - not only watching, but supporting too.

      The 3 kids run out on the street...the driver honks and tries to avoid one child but ends up hitting another....Most adults would keep the children off the streets but these guys encouraged it....
      And you know it was staged when you see all the "adults" filming..

    • 1 year ago
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