John Stossel & Montel Williams On Marijuana

HAHAHA, that was from a year ago...2009.....

I post on different anti-slavery websites now....

God I love that new show

Why can't we get rid of the thieving middlemen who make it illegal in the first place, without being bribed with our own Freedoms to smoke a plant that grows out of the ground.

What's up with you and a little coercion? It's still compulsion and immoral in the end...and leads to more and more corporatism....

Agreed....you have a valid point there

Upped! haha

Not all are like that, and who cares if people want to smoke pot as long as they don't infringe on others?!?

It's called Freedom.... let the idiots smoke. Better than them rotting away in a jail at my taxpayer expense.

You statists are all the same in the end.... "If you don't obey my PREFERENCE in society, I WILL THROW YOU IN JAIL."

You are the problem...

bottomline; you are ignorant. just my personal oppinion. Youve got someballs questioning other peoples illnesses and needs. Its truly none of your damn buisness as to what happens between a Dr. and patient you nut.

"fiendish need to smoke dope" Are you propagandist troll? Do you read what you post? Do you get your jollies by judging others? I don't know, But, I think you are hiding something. Me thinks thou are a closet burner. And you love Obama. It's cool brah. Everybody....Please fell free to criticizes my spelling and syntax. It is 4:26pm.

and your point was?

wow mike are you trying to be funny or maybe you need a smoke break of your own?

OK I am very friendly to the whole legalize drug thing but I dont think that medicinal maryjane use is really a good basis for freaking out about doctor/patient relationships.

Because we know that the Bushies preferred whyskey and cocaine.

naaaaa... he's just a loser piece of shit who gets off on contradicting others.Let him have his say and I'll puff away as I please.This ones for you "ayipis"....exhales right in your face.

"You're evil dude, you're fucking evil."

That has to be a violation of the terms of service...

No thanks, I CHOOSE not to....

but I would NEVER arrest you for doing it. I will not impose my PREFERENCES on society with VIOLENCE.

UPPED+!

I changed it now that I had time to step away from the fascist and breathe.

Thanks for staying on me, helps me grow as a person and keeps me in check. Peace

I have to agree with you. Stoners like easy to get, cheap smoke. No not cheap quality, cheaper as in cost. An ounce of Humbolt used to run upwards of $1000.00 or $250 for a quarter ounce or 7 grams. Pricey, I can't blame them for trying to use the system. But the fact is the majority come up with seriously lame excuses to get prescriptions.

damn right

The interviewer is in agreement with Montel, just trying to play Devil's Advocate to help Montel combat all the silly arguments that are out there.

John Stossel agrees with Montel, and in fact, takes it even farther than just Marijuana, believing that individuals should have the right to put what they want in their body as long as they don't infringe on others.

We are for a free and peaceful society, not state violence, compulsion, and coercion (war on drugs would be included in that)..

WTF (LOL)...why they hell do you need to get high??????????????

weed and alcohol breeds idiots...life in this planet for weak minded is hard enough with all the distraction that we do not need to add one more..

keep that shit illegal..

Ah, so YOU'RE the socialist!

HA! this is funny, can't help but laugh, do people who break their legs not need crutches, do people with migranes not need ease by use of drugs like tylenol and advil, do people with fever not need medicine, do people who are extremely depressed not need anti-depressants? do people who are scared of death not NEED religion?? NONE of these things are absolutely necessary, but if you take them away from people life will be harder for all of us... so why take away these things, hell i could understand why youd want to take away tylenol because it kills people, but cannabis kills noone... so stop being a little bias bitch and allow people to have their stress relief, their medicines, their crutches, their religion, their whatever it is that they need to make their life that little bit better, and only get pissed off when it starts placing peoples lives in harms way... which it doesnt... and if you think it does well than your a moron plain and simple but i think most knew that already.

so do you propose that we then supply everyone with all the drugs they want? Whether illegal or not junkies are going to do anything to get a fix. What is a libertarians response to people who are drunks or drug addicts out committing crimes or drunk driving?

I think that Mike must believe that drug addicts will just go off and die somewhere in his libertarian utopia.

Because people use it to escape from reality and resonsibility much like alcohol or hard drugs. In younger users it freezes them emotionally and retards their mental growth. I say this not as some crazy religious antidrug nut but as someone who has seen its use up close and personal for 40 years. I do think it shold be legalized but people dont seem to want to face what that will bring. Its like oh well maybe they will smoke pot rather than drink or smoke crack. Sometimes you need to take peoples crutches away.

"so do you propose that we then supply everyone with all the drugs they want?"
~No, why would you ever say that? That would require government violence through taxation and it would go against the wishes of the people who are having their money stolen that don't want to give people drugs. That is not Freedom.

"What is a libertarians response to people who are drunks or drug addicts out committing crimes or drunk driving?"
~If they commit a crime they commit a crime, just like if they weren't on drugs. The drugs themselves are not a crime. Only when infringements of liberties occur would a crime be committed. In a free society, there are no victimless crimes.

This also means that drunk driving would be banned on some roads (since all roads would be private, different competitors could have different rules), but drunk driving is not necessarily a crime, as no victim has been committed. Only if the drunk driver wrecked would there be a crime.
In a free society, there is no such thing as a crime against "society", as only individuals can be infringed upon. The state steals the term society.

"The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State." ~Murray Rothbard

so does inbreeding ayipis ...you are proof of that.

So then I guess the answer is that you arent for supplying people who want drugs all they want therefore in your utopian world drug crimes and violence will continue.

"Whether illegal or not junkies are going to do anything to get a fix"

We are talking about cannabis here mik, not fucking crack. Cannabis is not addictive. If people are willing to do anything to get it, then they can frigging grow it themselves. Nice try.

Again, this discussion is about cannabis. There are no addicts. It does not cause death. Pot smokers will get up and go to work and be productive members of society just like they are doing right now.

That is totally propaganda not backed up by facts. Carl Sagan smoked it and he was a great scientist. Some smoked it and became president of the united states. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it retards mental growth. That is total bullshit. Whoever you were looking at for 40 years must have been a moron to begin with. It's not like you're the only person who has seen or experienced long term marijuana use for themselves -- especially here.

"Sometimes you need to take peoples crutches away"

What have you to say about religion? Pain medication? Disney World? Spouses? Actual crutches? Making life easier through either aids when necessary, or through taking time to enjoy life is not something anyone with a heart would want to deny anybody else.

"I do think it shold be legalized but people dont seem to want to face what that will bring"

Really? Like what? You do know it is legal in some places like the Netherlands... Statistically America uses marijuana more than they do and there isn't chaos in those places. You are just fear-mongering.

Do you even know why marijuana was made illegal in the first place? What will it bring? Freedom. Justice. An end to the government lies that made it illegal in the first place. I'm glad you think it should be legal, but your vision of what will happen is misguided.

They estimate that 75% of the drug cartels profits are from selling weed. Have you watched the new lately? They arent talking about letting people grown their they are talking about pot farms paying taxes and permit fees to the goverment. By the time the dope hits the street it will be as expensive as street dope. So the cartels drop their price and keep right on shipping. How long do you think before the cartels muscle in on the domestic weed production? about 0.1 seconds.

Yes. It was made illegal from the influence of the DuPont family to protect their timber interests. I also know that in the Netherlands they are moving to reduce the number of smoke shops allowed and the types of drugs they can serve. Its not that weed is any better or worse than many other drugs its that like all of them many people use them to escape reality or to avoid growing up. They are self medicating. Regardless of what you may think heavy lifelong usage does have physical affects including cancer and possible links to Alzheimer like symptoms.

Or lay on the couch watching the price is right until their old ladies welfare check comes in.

And if you would pay attention my response did not include just the weed it was the libertarian thinking that all drugs should be legal and that humanity would use them in a responsible fashion.

I'm going to take this opportunity to agree with you, we should legalize marijuana! And other ones too, but I'll disagree with you by saying we should tax it, then use that money for something good

This time your assumption is correct that I want to relegalize marijuana AND not extort money through theft and taxation.

Thanks for sharing this. You are doing an awesome job getting this out there. I am so amazed at how so many people know so little about this gift from nature.

Yes because when the dope heads screw up we want to make sure that everyone shares the cost of it equally.

Not me, not through the state. I am against the welfare state.

but they will be a cost to society so who pays?

What is the cost to society? You don't know what you're talking about.

The cost of lost productivity, health care issues, welfare costs, legal costs. Their is a cost associated with drug abuse not just those who smoke weed.