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Osama Bin Laden happy when Bush was elected, his son, Omar, says

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In a long interview in Rolling Stone recently, Omar Bin Laden spoke about his life now, his beliefs, his childhood, the time he spent in Afghanistan with his father before 9/11 and his eventual decision not to become, as he says his father had hoped, the leader of Al Queda. Bored as a teenager and cut off from the world at Tora Bora, after studying to become a warrior, he decided to leave and said goodbye to his father for the last time:



Osama's Prodigal Son

My father is a wealthy man," Omar recalls. "He gave me $10,000 in cash. He told me to get a car and go." Omar's eyes well with tears. "If he wanted to keep me, he had to follow my way. If I wanted to keep him, I have to follow his way. I had a broken heart as I drove away. We don't show our feelings. I kissed his hand and said goodbye. This is the last time I saw him."

He remembers his last glimpse of his father: As Osama bin Laden walked away, he wore the same small, mysterious smile he had when he suggested his sons become suicide bombers.

Alone for the first time in his life, Omar took a car to the Pakistan border. A few months later, his father destroyed the World Trade Center, killing thousands. "I never thought the attack would be civilian buildings," Omar says. "I thought it would be a ship, like the USS Cole. My father's dream was to bring the Americans to Afghanistan. He would do the same thing he did to the Russians. I was surprised the Americans took the bait. I so much respected the mentality of President Clinton. He was the one who was smart. When my father attacked his places, he sent a few cruise missiles to my father's training camp. He didn't get my father, but after all the war in Afghanistan, they still don't have my father. They have spent hundreds of billions. Better for America to keep the money for its economy. In Clinton's time, America was very, very smart. Not like a bull that runs after the red scarf.


Then he explains why his father was happy when Bush was elected. Bush unlike Clinton who was smarter, not allowing himself to be pushed into war. The Neocons were pressuring Clinton also. So Bush's election made it a certainty that all these forces would come together to get these wars started, and to plunge the U.S. into debt to keep them going.

I was still in Afghanistan when Bush was elected," he continues. "My father was so happy. This is the kind of president he needs — one who will attack and spend money and break the country. Even Bush's own mother says he is the biggest idiot boy of his family. I am sure my father wanted McCain more than Obama. McCain has the same mentality as Bush. My father would be disappointed because Obama get the position."

"Do you think Obama can win in Afghanistan?"

"Out of what you see," Omar asks, "what do you think?"

According to Omar, Americans are actually lucky that his father has not been captured or killed. "It is going to be worse when my father dies," he says. "The world is going to be very, very nasty then. It will be a disaster."

"Omar always says that without the head, the arms and legs will run wherever," Zaina says.

"I know this for a fact," Omar says. "People were always asking my father to attack more. They would say, 'Sheik, we must do more.' Crazy fucking things. My father has a religious goal. He is controlled by the rules of jihad. He only kills if he thinks there is a need."

"Will there be more attacks?" I ask.

"I don't think so," Omar says. "He doesn't need to. As soon as America went to Afghanistan, his plan worked. He has already won."


Emphasis mine. Edited to include that highlighted paragraph.


He also speaks about the U.S. helping to create Al Queda in the eighties and how his father was then an ally of the U.S.

It's interesting that he has not been arrested as so many others have for simply knowing Bin Laden. He seems to be free to go wherever he wants to.

He appears to be attracted to Western life's pleasures despite his background. He spent time with the reporter frequenting bars and strip clubs in Beirut, saying with a smile 'I'm glad my father doesn't run the world'.

It is after midnight when Osama bin Laden's fourth-born son, Omar, leads me into a nightclub called Les Caves de Boys in the center of Damascus. Marked only by a small neon sign on a side street in an upscale quarter of the city, the basement bar is dark and secluded, enveloped by an air of exclusivity. Omar brushes past the two heavyset Syrian thugs at the door and picks a booth in the back. A dozen or so wealthy Arab men are drinking whiskey and watching Russian strippers put on a show.


He is married to a British woman, a grandmother nearly twice his age. The author believes he is authentic in his rejection of his father's world:


Now 28, Omar is one of 11 sons of Osama bin Laden. But from an early age, Omar stood out from his brothers for his independence. Though Omar does not believe that any of his siblings are still by his father's side, he is the only bin Laden son to publicly disavow his father's violence. In Growing Up bin Laden, co-authored last year with his mother and an American writer named Jean Sasson, Omar not only captures the insanity and cruelty inside his father's world, but also provides an intimate portrait of what it is like to be the son of a sociopath. "In many ways, Omar's story represents how the modern Arab world is thinking through its views of the West," observes Steve Coll, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Bin Ladens and president of the New America Foundation. "They accept the critique provided by Al Qaeda but not its idea of never-ending war. Like Omar, they won't follow Osama onto the battlefield."


I'm surprised there isn't a Fatwa out on him. Or that the CIA never wanted to talk to him. Not really sure what to think, but the Bin Ladens seem to have immunity as far as the U.S. is concerned, compared to other Muslims who had far less knowledge of our supposed #1 enemy in the whole world, yet ended up in Guantanamo, 12 year old kids and elderly shepherds eg, for years.

However, I hope the Rightwingers who thought Bush was so tough and scary to Al Queda finally realize what many more practical people realized a long time ago, that nothing played more into the hands of extremists, than Bush's invasion of a ME country and of Afghanistan.
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  • Eugensfield
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      Eugensfield  
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    • Another issue is that Arab and Islamic culture encourages people to avoid responsibility. This crates the necessity of finding another agency to attach blame to. Thus the concept of 'inshallah' morphs into the need to find an outside influence to balm failures and problems on. Since the US has been designated by the world to take the blame for everything - we become the focus of blame for any and all real or perceived failures and injustices.
      Super Probiotic

    • 2 years ago
  • SpencerTreeGarden
  • Dmobile215
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      Dmobile215  

    • There are no terrorist I don't buy it just because they call them terrorist these are the same people who started slavery America is stolen land and we still pay taxes. Lets miss a property tax payments and see what you look like outside your home. Just because the media says something don't always believe what your hear and see. News just gives news they don't let you hear both sides of the story for all we know Bush might have stolen something from Bin Laden and don't want him to speak about it because this has always been a bunch of covering up sh&t all the time.. Who can believe this after he went after Saddam and was suppose to go after Osama.. Well it's just another bullsh&t criminal element that keeps up and keeps the world turning.

    • 2 years ago
  • MizPiz
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      MizPiz  

    • Something about the picture makes him seem... douchie.

      It's an insightful read, but he just seems so stereotypical.

    • 2 years ago
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • addie340
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
  • ghostofamerica
  • freecrack
  • XasthurNortt
  • im1mjrpain
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • im1mjrpain:

      in the back of my mind i am always wondering when people are going to start looking up his birthday, and start doing the math.
      if nothing else it will tell us what the percieved life expectancy is, once we start stating he must be dead.
      what is he in his fifties now?

    • 2 years ago
  • thedirtman
  • EmperorThan
  • NatasRedrumDog
  • thedirtman
  • NatasRedrumDog
  • freecrack
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • They won the day the 2000 judicial coup took place to make Bin Laden happy. Just goes to show that Al Gore wasn't going to play along so he wasn't allowed to assume the office. This is how deep the corruption in our own government goes, that a truly good president would be denied his office all to please the terrorists who would attack us because certain people in our own government knew it would facilitate their own goals. And as to 9.11, this may well mean Bin Laden was part of it, but it doesn't mean he worked without some help from those who saw it as the opportunity they were waiting for to get exactly what we have now.

    • 2 years ago
  • Proud_Progressive
  • Mark701
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Proud_Progressive:

      I'm saying they wanted their war in Iraq and did what they had to do to get it. And do you know the relationship between the Bin ladens and the Bushes? His brother was part of the Carlyle Group, a defense contractor with great influence in this government that was having a meeting in Washington DC on 9.11. Bush had a business relationship with his brother Salem (who was allegedly killed in a small plane crash) when Bush was a failed oil man like he failed at everything else in his life. Look up Arbusto oil in Texas. There has been a long and friendly relationship between the Bushes and the Bin ladens for years. In my eyes they are all traitors to this country, so yes, I damn well am suggesting that there was some cooperation on the part of the Bush administration to let 9.11 take place in order to facilitate their war in Iraq. Rumsfeld came out right after it happened as a matter of fact accusing Hussein. Clinton wasn't giving them what they wanted even after PNAC ( Project for a New American Century) wrote him a letter regarding just that. The invasion of Iraq was planned by the neocons years before the 2000 coup and they knew that unless Bush got in they wouldn't get it with Al Gore either. You connect the dots.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • ayipis
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      ayipis  
    • JanforGore:

      its so funny you can see something through a thick layer of liberal conspiracy bullshit but you CANNOT SEE al gore bullshitting us about global warming??

      al gore was not allowed to assume office because he is not going to play along?? LOL..you really really believe that??

      be honest with everybody..how warm did you get this year???

    • 2 years ago
  • ayipis
  • JanforGore
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • ayipis:

      Yea al gore bull shits about global warming, he is making a killing off it, getting money from all the democrats dummies, but thats the same thing thats happening on the other side

    • 2 years ago
  • Proud_Progressive
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • alexandrek:

      on a side note, it seems al gore is the new whipping boy for the right's narrative.i was arguing civil rights with a conservative on here, who felt the need to cite al gore senior.

      in learning about civil rights both in school, and on your own, does any gore factor in at all, in any way?not in my world, but the right are really hot to smear the name.wich is funny really as that yields no fruit.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gene_Surber
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      Gene_Surber  

    • Sorry Utopian, i seem to have misconstrued what you had written. Thanks for the clarification. On the other hand, in regards to 9/11 deniers, i think there are quite a few questions remaining about how three buildings came down that day... and there is no denying Bush's incompetence. He was, after all, handed a memo that literally said that Osama planned to fly a plane into the World Trade Center.

    • 2 years ago
  • insaintity
  • nanac
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      nanac  

    • Any so-called leader is always happy that his enemy is an idiot.. Bush plan was to go to war from day one...9/11 offered the perfect opportunity for the warmongers to sell the biggest lie in American history..Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, and Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, was used to gain support for the unnecessary war..Bush went to war for oil..If he was serious about apprehending Osama Bin Laden, he would have detained the Bin Laden family , instead of rushing them out of the country on 9/12...They should have been questioned, because maybe, they would have provided information leading to the capture of Bin Laden...

    • 2 years ago
  • Dmobile215
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      Dmobile215  
    • nanac:

      I have to say you are so right its a shame you are but Bush was put there for a reason
      I think to myself to teach America a fuc&ing lesson on voting and number two to show us that the fight is fixed. Bush has a motive and opportunity and we allowed all that sh*t to happen people got to speak up and fight because we are allowing government to control us. We have to keep fighting for our rights no one is going to give them to us because they keep taking them away slowly but surely. There is a time coming that this will all end and we won't have to deal with this craziness. No more

    • 2 years ago
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • nanac:

      I doubt Bush planned anything, he is nothing but a puppet, he had no idea what he was talking about or what he was doing, he couldnt wait for the 8 years to be over with

    • 2 years ago
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  

    • "I was surprised the Americans took the bait....like a bull that runs after the red scarf."

      I used the same word calling it 'bait' years ago. How many of us are really surprised? Still, its scary hearing the same words from the son of bin laden.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dmobile215
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      Dmobile215  
    • thedirtman:

      Don't think that is scary what is scary that GWB won the election a second time this is why I know the voting system is fixed no way he should have won twice, he is the real terrorist.

    • 2 years ago
  • s_peak
  • Dmobile215
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      Dmobile215  
    • s_peak:

      I saw it really good Documentary.!

      Here is the first part for anyone who has not seen it.. another depressing thing about American Bush needs to be arrested anyone one else would not gotten away with this he is a crook a gangster, we now call a robber a Bush Man!

      Meaning to just go over there and brody him, juat steal what you want and move on.

    • 2 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • thedirtman:

      what the fuck is happening to us.why is it scary from bin ladens sons mouth.both are just flesh and blood human beings.shit bin laden is a weak one at that.why are we sucumbing to fear mongering.he isnt a hitler.he isnt even linked to 9-11 other than the worst pres. we ever had said so.amongst a myriad of lies.
      if bush picked sponge bob, yellow would make us shit our pants.

      i guess it is a war on terror, and freedom is losing.

    • 2 years ago
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • Dmobile215:

      Its not that its fixed, its just that people do not get any options really, both parties work for special interest, the people that try to get elected that would help the people, they are the ones that get no air time and news always stresses how voting for an independent or anyone other then D or R would be a waste of a vote, so people keep voting the insanity way

    • 2 years ago
  • thedirtman
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • thedirtman:

      what i meant is that the war on terror is not shown by nations fighting nations, but how we think.if bin laden or his kin are boogey men, terrorism is getting the upper hand.
      the freedom we are fighting for (or at least i am) is from our own profit motivated media terror machine.
      whos coming to kill you
      what food will kill you
      what is in the water might kill you
      who wants to kill your kids
      who is going to rob you next
      all film at 11

      fuck it has been going on since for ever, unless you think the soviets ever were gunna fuck with us.nice and scared, just how we like ourselves, especialy if we are so scared of the boogey man we dont notice the real threats.like presidents who obligate us to pointless wars that are extremely profitable to the few for one.

    • 2 years ago
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  
    • freecrack:

      I call this the distraction method. If people are afraid of a fantasy they won't see the real threat behind their backs. An easy way to catch an animal is to put your left hand up where it can see you. Move your left hand slowly back and forth and let its eyes follow it around. Then come behind it with your right hand and grab it quickly by the neck.

      Yep, I know that one.

    • 2 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • thedirtman:

      spot on brother.
      i know i have a crazy bias, but really we should be taking a que from jews on this one.not israel, but jewish culture in general.whe live knowing full well a target is on us from jihadis, we just accept it and move on, thus winning as we refuse to be terrorized.
      they can blow themselves up all day, issue all the fatwas they want, we dont alter anything in accomidation.

      if we can learn this as americans, we win.war on terror over.not just from jihadis, but from our own domestic threat.the fox senior citizen scare machine.

    • 2 years ago
  • BKsaysAction
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  

    • "A few months later, his father destroyed the World Trade Center, killing thousands. "I never thought the attack would be civilian buildings," Omar says. "I thought it would be a ship, like the USS Cole."

      I think Bush was surprised in much the same way.

    • 2 years ago
  • Proud_Progressive
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  
    • Einsam_Data_Old:

      Yup. I have no reason to watch current anymore at all. It's ridiculous bullshit now. The only appeal it had before was that it was user created content and the pods were interesting (and short).

    • 2 years ago
  • timetide
  • freecrack
  • Incredulous
  • timetide
  • CalPal
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      CalPal  

    • "It's interesting that he has not been arrested as so many others have for simply knowing Bin Laden. He seems to be free to go wherever he wants to."

      What has he done wrong? Absolutely nothing; in fact, he abandoned his father over ideologies that threatened the well-being of humans all over the world. Why should he be hunted down by anyone? In the midst of all the chaos that is Afghanistan, he no longer has an important role strategically, having left his father - and the conflict - so long ago.

    • 2 years ago
  • Jessica_Hegland
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • thedirtman
  • JanforGore
  • ozoneocean
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      ozoneocean  
    • JanforGore:

      Benazir Bhutto was a gloryhound powerhungry landed elite with a born to rule attitude. People look at her as some sort of princess Diana figure, it's ludicrous. She would have said anything for publicity. She's not a fallen saint, she was just a corrupt, lying politician like the rest of them.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • ReverandG
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • Mark701
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      Mark701  
    • ReverandG:

      Yes, it must be propaganda because it doesn't fit your view of reality. Why is this so difficult to believe?

      Bush was a coach that only had one play, and bin Laden knew the play. All he had to do was give Bush a nudge and watch all the pieces fell into place. Iraq, Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of wasted dollars, a broken economy, a tarnished image, suppression of civil rights, torture etc. Were/are ANY of these things good for the United States? There's your answer.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gene_Surber
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      Gene_Surber  

    • i don't think Osama's son is denying his fathers involvement in the least, as "UtopianSky" misapprehends below. He seems to merely be stating what many of us knew all along... that to go to war as a result of 9/11 was to play into the hands of the terrorists, and to completely, and utterly, fail to comprehend the nature of terrorism... which is not to just kill people for killings sake... but to get societies to destroy themselves in response to the terrorist act. We bankrupt ourselves both financially and morally through our own fear--that is the aim of terrorism. Which is why the Shrub was such a perfect president for Osama's plan... he totally fell for it, told us all we needed to fear, and through our fear we needed to keep him and his cronies in power. We were told the only way to be safe was to give up our liberties, and to go off and torture people... indeed, we were told that the standard definitions of torture... those adopted by the Geneva Convention no less, no longer applied because we were so afraid. We were told it didn't matter that we were wasting any economic surpluses and that our country was being plunged into debt, because we had to fear the terrorists. Indeed, everything the right did was justifiable because of this fear... and here we are, about to turn the keys over to these idiots again. What will we win in Afghanistan? How will any person writing on this board have his or her life improved because we went to war over there? And how many of your lives have been made safer because we went to war in Iraq? Indeed, the truth is, both wars made us less safe, less secure, less moral, less strong, less wealthy... just LESS. Who won in Iraq? Iran. Think about it... and go on thumping your chests while you stand in a breadline, or an unemployment line. The only people who benefited from these wars was Osama, Al Qaida, Dick Cheney's Halliburton, and his friends at Blackwater. Hurrah! Let's go watch more Glen Beck now!

    • 2 years ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • Gene_Surber:

      I did not "misapprehend" anything, and I said the exact opposite of what you think I said.

      i did not say Osama's son is denying his fathers involvement, I said he stated his father's involvement, and deniers will reject his words.

      The rest of your comment I agree with.

    • 2 years ago
  • NiceN
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • There's a fascinating documentary everyone should watch called "My Trip to Al-Qaeda," released earlier this year.

      What Al-Qaeda boils down to is messianic Jihadist organization. They genuinely believe that god helped them defeat the Soviet Union and that they are in constant battle with the enemies of Islam.

      More specifically, they believe that America seeks to make war against Islam.

      So every day that we make that assertion a reality, it's a prophecy to them. Literally, our wars are helping the terrorists win.

      This quote is especially telling.

      "I was surprised the Americans took the bait....like a bull that runs after the red scarf."

      Which is exactly the point, which is why it was such a fucking disaster that Bush was in office when this went down.

      For the first time since WWII, America had a mandate for a United World. The whole fucking planet really WAS on our side, and that idiot fucked everything up.

      And what are we doing now? Spending most of our time wrestling with the right-wing over whether or not we're at war with Islam, or whether we should attack Iran next.

      We really have already lost.

    • 2 years ago
  • Proud_Progressive
  • im1mjrpain
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      im1mjrpain  

    • This story reeks of propaganda... So according to this son buy, Bin Laden went from hating Americans because he considered them infadels in Muslim Countries to wanting the American military to invade Afghanistan so he could defeat them?

      I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense. It did make for interesting reading though.

    • 2 years ago
  • Saladin
    • +1
      Saladin  
    • im1mjrpain:

      It makes perfect sense.

      Bin Laden and his ilk believe they are in a climactic battle with the infidels, that they are entering the endtimes.

      They believe that THEY defeated the Soviet Empire, and will now defeat the American Empire.

    • 2 years ago
  • chris50
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      chris50  
    • im1mjrpain:

      This does make sense. He has bankrupted the United States with billions going to this war. We are in debt up past our ears and our people are suffering. We may not be infidels, but we are idiots.

    • 2 years ago
  • Proud_Progressive
  • ozoneocean
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      ozoneocean  
    • Saladin:

      They did defeat the Soviets- in Afghanistan. They were cleverly able to manipulate some stupid Americans to help them.
      Looks like they're still easily able to manipulate stupid Americans.

      :(

    • 2 years ago
  • Saladin
    • +1
      Saladin  
    • ozoneocean:

      I don't mean militarily, obviously they won in that respect (albeit at significant cost).

      I mean they think they are responsible for the -destruction- and -liquidation- of the Soviet Union.

      They think their fight in Afghanistan caused the Soviet Union to collapse, which is asinine because the USSR died because of economic collapse mostly unrelated to the war.

      And they believe they're doing the same thing to America right now, although the circumstances are so frighteningly similar that they may end up being right.

    • 2 years ago
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
    • im1mjrpain:

      War gives them purpose. Without war, they have no real enemy, no real goal, and no real purpose. Dying in a jihad is a glorified way to die, and automatically grants you a place in heaven.

      Bush gave Osama his war. In return, Osama gave Bush a reason to invade Iraq.

    • 2 years ago
  • timetide
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      timetide  
    • Saladin:

      well, Back in high school we learned there's 4 main reasons the USSR failed. Involvement in unpopular, costly, foreign wars (afghanistan) that forced them to get loans from foreign countries is one of these reasons. In fact, it was the constantly sky rocketing military costs that broke the backbone of the russian economy and lead to the USSR's destruction.

    • 2 years ago
  • im1mjrpain
  • Proud_Progressive
  • im1mjrpain
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      im1mjrpain  

    • James R. Bath, friend and neighbor of George W. Bush, was used as a cash funnel from Osama bin Laden's rich father, Sheikh bin Laden, to set George W. Bush up in business, according to reputable sources from the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. The connection between GW Bush, the bin Laden family, and the Bank Commerce Credit International (BCCI) is well documented.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
  • ReverandG
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      ReverandG  
    • im1mjrpain:

      George has had a talent for screwing up everything thing he touches. The Bin Laden family was flown out of the country when all planes were grounded, right along will the Saudis'.

    • 2 years ago
  • Frank81
  • chris50
  • ReverandG
  • Exodus
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      Exodus  

    • Wow, he has some guts to reject his father like that, he's the son of one of the world's top wanted terrorsts, yet we haven't stepped up to the plate to get him, that really seems like the first thing we would do, but maybe this guy is really different from his father, but you know what they say, the apple never falls to far from the tree.

    • 2 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Exodus:

      osama was exiled from his country, and dissowned by his family.hundreds of reasons exist to see this guy as the opposite of dear ol dad.like talking to people with out self agrandizing for one.

    • 2 years ago
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