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The Oklahoma City bombing was a bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh, an American militia movement sympathizer who detonated an explosive-filled truck parked in front of the building. McVeigh's co-conspirator, Terry Nichols, had assisted in the bomb preparation. It was the most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6, and injured more than 680 people. The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings. The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.
This truck bomb attack by right-wing extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people – the deadliest domestic-based terrorist attack in US history and, before the September 11, 2001 attacks, the deadliest act of terrorism in US history. It inspired improvements to United States federal building security.

The Columbine High School massacre occurred on Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School in Columbine, an unincorporated area of Jefferson County, Colorado, United States, near Denver and Littleton. Two senior students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, embarked on a massacre, killing 12 students and one teacher. They also injured 21 other students directly, and three people were injured while attempting to escape. The pair then committed suicide. It is the fourth-deadliest school massacre in United States history, after the 1927 Bath School disaster, 2007 Virginia Tech massacre and the 1966 University of Texas massacre, and the deadliest for an American high school.

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing was a terrorist bombing on July 27, 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia, United States during the 1996 Summer Olympics, the first of four committed by Eric Robert Rudolph, former explosives expert for the United States Army. Two people died, and 111 were injured.

ALL of them WHITE caucasian
ALL of them natural-born American CITIZENS of the United States
and ALL of them claimed to have been so-called, quote-en-quote "CHRISTIANS"

What you just listed has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with Christianity. Those people committed those murders in the name of no religion. Whereas the terrorist attacks by muslims have been directly tied to their faith. You are wrong, and are trying to argue something completely different.

Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present far-right organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy, white nationalism, and anti-immigration. The current manifestation is splintered into several chapters and is widely considered to be a hate group.
From reconstruction at the end of the civil war to the end of the civil rights movement, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used threats, violence, arson, and murder to further its white-supremacist, anti-Communist, ANTI-SEMITIC and ANTI-CATHOLIC agenda. Domestic terrorists with agendas similar to the KKK include neo-Nazis and white power skinheads.

Army of GOD (USA)
Army of GOD (AOG) is a CHRISTIAN terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God. Clayton Waagner's fake anthrax letters have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.
The Army of God (AOG) is a loose network of individuals and groups connected by ideological affinity and the determination to use force to end abortion in the United States. Acts of anti-abortion violence increased in the mid-1990s culminating in a series of bombings by Eric Robert Rudolph, whose targets included two abortion clinics, a gay and lesbian night club, and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Letters sent to newspapers claim responsibility for the bombing of the abortion clinics in the name of the Army of God.

Aryan Nations (AN) is a white nationalist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the CHRISTIAN Identity group known as the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST-CHRISTIAN. As of December 2007 there were two main factions that claimed descent from Butler's group. The Aryan Nations has been called a "terrorist threat" by the FBI, and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the USA.

The Phineas PRIESTHOOD (Phineas PRIESTS) is a CHRISTIAN Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its ANTI-SEMITISM, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation. It is not considered an organization because it is not led by a governing body, there are no gatherings, and there is no membership process. One becomes a Phineas PRIEST by simply adopting the beliefs of the PRIESTHOOD and acting upon those beliefs. Members of the PRIESTHOOD are often called terrorists for, among other things, planning to blow up FBI buildings, abortion clinic bombings, and bank robberies.

The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) was a radical CHRISTIAN Identity organization formed in 1971 in the small community of Elijah in southern Missouri, United States.

NOW you just try and tell me that home-grown domestic terrorism in the United States of America has "nothing" to do with religion
or that "all" terrorists are muslims

You bringing up the kkk is quite laughable. In no way shape or form are they relevant in TODAY'S discussion about terrorism. You are talking about a small group of white trash nobodies. Name one terrorist attack the kkk has carried out in the past 25 years. And in no way are these sparse and few attacks on abortion clinics in the same ballpark as Islamic terrorism.

You are comparing these obscure chrisitian groups to something much bigger.

In 1971, KKK members used bombs to destroy 10 school buses in Pontiac, Michigan.
On November 3, 1979, five protesters were killed by KKK and American Nazi Party members in the Greensboro massacre in Greensboro, North Carolina.
In 1980, three KKK members shot four elderly black women (Viola Ellison, Lela Evans, Opal Jackson and Katherine Johnson) in Chattanooga, Tennessee, following a KKK initiation rally. A fifth woman, Fannie Crumsey, was injured by flying glass in the incident. In 1982, a jury awarded the five women $535,000 in a civil rights trial.
After Michael Donald was lynched in 1981 in Alabama, the FBI investigated his death and two local KKK members were convicted of having a role, including Henry Hayes, who was sentenced to death. Her lawsuit against the United Klans of America was tried in February 1987. After exhausting the appeals process, Hayes was executed for Donald's death in Alabama on June 6, 1997. It was the first time since 1913 that a white man had been executed in Alabama for a crime against an African American.

In July 2006, 3 IKA members beat Jordan Gruver, a 16-year-old boy of Native American and Panamanian descent at a Kentucky county fair. In February 2007, IKA members Jarred Hensley and Andrew Watkins were convicted and sentenced to three years in prison for beating Gruver. The Southern Poverty Law Center also filed a civil suit on Gruver's behalf in Meade County, Kentucky against IKA "Imperial Wizard" Ron Edwards and the IKA for the actions of the IKA members. On November 14, 2008, an all-white jury of seven men and seven women awarded $1.5 million in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages to Gruver against Edwards

On November 14, 2008, an all-white jury of seven men and seven women awarded $1.5 million in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages to plaintiff Jordan Gruver, represented by the Southern Poverty Law Center against the Imperial Klans of America. The ruling found that five IKA members had savagely beaten Gruver, then 16 years old, at a Kentucky county fair in July 2006.

the christian church is the largest, wealthiest, richest, most extensive, most expansive, most far-reaching, most powerful, most influential organization of any kind in the known recorded history of human "civilization"
1/6 of the planet earth's human population are members of this "obscure" "sparse" and "few" group of "white trash nobodies"
the monetary value of the gold, jewels, and other precious metals and stones, as well as the artwork, sculptural and architectural masterpieces in Saint Peters Basilica and the Papal Palace in Vatican City in Rome, italy ALONE is estimated the tens of billions of dollars
no other for-profit corporation has ever even comes anywhere remotely close to the size, wealth, reach, influence and power of the Christian Church
the theocratic Empire which ruled the known world undisputed, and brutally with an oppressive iron fist for most of the better part of twenty centuries

terrorist attacks and hate crimes are by defintion two different things. You gave me examples of hate crimes within the past 25 years and they were hardely compleling. And I called the kkk white trash nobodies, not people who are of the christian faith. Learn how to read.

All those posts give no definitive answers. but here's the main distinction: hate crimes are crimes committed against a specific INDIVIDUALS to both evoke fear and cause harm. Terrorist attacks are carried out against specific ESTABLISHMENTS to evoke fear and cause harm but are indiscriminate as to what specific individuals are harmed.

ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Noun
1.: violent and intimidating gang activity
2.: The calculated use of unlawful violence (or the threatened use of unlawful force or violence) by a person or an organized group against civilians or the public esp. against people or property intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies, as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological in nature; often for ideological or political reasons. This is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

Merriam-Webster's English Dictionary 8of Law, - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd.

the KKK sure fits the definition

its not that black and white, judge. you are really reaching when you compare the kkk to islamic terror organizations both in scope and logisitics. The ony "terrorist attack" or or as I would call it, a hate crime in the past ten years you gave me is the beating death of a young person. there have been beating deaths of gays,; a white kid was almost beat to death by a group of black kids in buffalo last year, are these terrorist acts? You comparing the beating death to 9/11, the madrid train bombings, the london bombings, the 93 tarde tower bombing is no where near the same ballpark.

Ryan, you are entitled to your personal analogies as well as your opinions. I believe we both agree, if I correctly comprehended your blog that all Muslims are not terrorists. If we both agree on that..... enough said........

Yes, we are on the same page when it come to that. I eat (most, not all) of my words now.

nine out of every ten
99 out of every hundred
and 999 out of every thousand
(FYI there really haven't actually been THAT many)
out of all of the acts of terrorism in the nearly 300-year history of the United States of America have been thought of, planned, acted upon, and perpetrated by white, anglo-European (mostly Christian) natural-born citizens one of the 50 States of the United States of America

The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. The ensuing investigation became "one of the largest and most complex in the history of law enforcement."
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. In mid-2008, the FBI narrowed its focus to Bruce Edwards Ivins, a scientist who worked at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. Ivins was told of the impending prosecution and on July 29 committed suicide, by an overdose of acetaminophen.

Unabomber attacks
From 1978 to 1995, neo-luddite radical and former mathematics professor Theodore "Ted" Kaczynski - known by the codename "UNABOM" until his identification and arrest by the FBI - carried out a campaign of sending letterbombs to academics and various individuals particularly associated with modern technology. In 1996, his manifesto was published in The New York Times and the Washington Post, under the threat of more attacks. The bomb campaign ended with his capture.
Ted Kaczynski, The Unabomber
Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (pronounced /kəˈzɪnski/; born May 22, 1942), also known as the Unabomber (University and Airline Bomber), is an American mathematician and social critic, who engaged in a mail bombing spree that spanned nearly 20 years, killing three people and injuring 23 others.
He was born in Chicago, Illinois, where, as an intellectual child prodigy, he excelled academically from an early age. Kaczynski was accepted into Harvard University at the age of 16, where he earned an undergraduate degree, and later earned a PhD in mathematics from the University of Michigan. He became an assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley at age 25 but resigned two years later.

Austin IRS attack
On February 18, 2010, Andrew Joseph Stack III flew his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, TX killing one other person and injuring many more in an act of lone wolf terrorism. He cited many reasons for his grievance against the government of the United States as well as other facets of the country such as bailout of financial institutions, politicians in general, conglomerate companies of General Motors, Enron and Arthur Andersen, labor unions, drug and health care insurance companies, and the Catholic Church. He added a meeting with a poor widow who never got pension benefits she was promised, the effect of the Tax Reform Act of 1986 on engineers, the September 11 attacks airline bailouts that only benefited the airlines but not the suffering engineers, how a Certified Public Accountant he hired seemed to side with the government to take extra tax money from him, criticism of the FAA and the George W. Bush administration were reasons for him to call for violent revolt.
2010 Austin Plane Crash
The 2010 Austin suicide attack occurred on February 18, 2010, when Andrew Joseph Stack III, flying his Piper Dakota, crashed into Building I of the Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, United States, killing himself and Internal Revenue Service manager Vernon Hunter. Thirteen others were injured, two seriously. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) field office was located in a four-story office building along with other state and federal government agencies. Prior to the crash, Stack had posted a suicide note dated February 18, 2010 to his business website.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting was a shooting at that nation's memorial to The Holocaust in Washington, D.C. on June 10, 2009, at 12:50 p.m. Security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns, 39, was shot, and later died from his injuries. Suspect James Wenneker von Brunn, 88, was charged in federal court on June 11, 2009, with first-degree murder and firearms violations. On July 29, 2009, von Brunn was indicted on seven counts, including four which made him eligible for the death penalty. In September 2009, a judge ordered von Brunn to undergo a competency evaluation to determine whether or not he could stand trial. While awaiting his trial, von Brunn died on January 6, 2010.
Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
An elderly man with believed ties to neo-Nazi groups opened fire on June 10, 2009 at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, killing one guard. James W. Von Brunn, 88, from Maryland, reportedly entered the museum shortly before 1 p.m. EDT, took out what appeared to be a rifle and fired at a security guard. Two other security guards returned fire, striking the shooter, according to reports. Von Brunn died on January 6, 2010, while awaiting trial.

i just got these few examples off of the web sites at midnight on Friday

Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present far-right organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy, white nationalism, and anti-immigration. The current manifestation is splintered into several chapters and is widely considered to be a hate group.
From reconstruction at the end of the civil war to the end of the civil rights movement, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used threats, violence, arson, and murder to further its white-supremacist, anti-Communist, anti-semitic and anti-Catholic agenda. Domestic terrorists with agendas similar to the KKK include neo-Nazis and white power skinheads.

Army of God (USA)
Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God. Clayton Waagner's fake anthrax letters have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.
The Army of God (AOG) is a loose network of individuals and groups connected by ideological affinity and the determination to use force to end abortion in the United States. Acts of anti-abortion violence increased in the mid-1990s culminating in a series of bombings by Eric Robert Rudolph, whose targets included two abortion clinics, a gay and lesbian night club, and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Letters sent to newspapers claim responsibility for the bombing of the abortion clinics in the name of the Army of God.

Aryan Nations (AN) is a white nationalist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. As of December 2007 there were two main factions that claimed descent from Butler's group. The Aryan Nations has been called a "terrorist threat" by the FBI, and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the USA.

The Phineas Priesthood (Phineas Priests) is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation. It is not considered an organization because it is not led by a governing body, there are no gatherings, and there is no membership process. One becomes a Phineas Priest by simply adopting the beliefs of the Priesthood and acting upon those beliefs. Members of the Priesthood are often called terrorists for, among other things, planning to blow up FBI buildings, abortion clinic bombings, and bank robberies.

The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) was a radical Christian Identity organization formed in 1971 in the small community of Elijah in southern Missouri, United States.

The Order (group)
The Order, also known as the Brüder Schweigen or Silent Brotherhood, was an organization active in the United States between 1983 and 1984. The Order, a white nationalist revolutionary group, is probably best known for the 1984 murder of radio talk show host Alan Berg.

and that's just in the last half-of-a-century

dont tell the right that, cuz in thier revisionist efforts they claim the kkk was a leftist group.wouldnt wanna spoil thier fun with rewritint history

and ignorance and misinformation make the problem worse. Show me a scientific fact to back up your little picture there then you will have a argument just because you can type something into google or use photo shop does not mean mean you are right. you are the right to say the idiotic things you do i will give you that but you dont have the right to pass it off as fact.

Another totally ignorant dumbass. Educate yourself before you post dumb sh&$ like that. You will appreciate it later.

It is unamerican to out law any religion. This country was found on religious freedom so you are going against the morals of our founding fathers. If you out law Islam i will out law all branches of Catholicism, Judaism, Mormonism, Buddhism and so on.

the term "theology" or "theological" in and of itself is an oxymoron
in the original latin, the word "Theo" means "of god"
belief in god is based upon faith
the suffix "ologia"means "the ([scientific]) study of"
scientific study is based on proof
Proof Defies Faith
because with any proof, there is no need for any faith
and without faith, god, or rather the belief in god, is nothing.
"Theology" literally means "the science of the study of god"
god cannot be scientifically studied
because you cannot study scientifically that which exists only solely in the imaginations of delusional schizophrenic people

the words "Good Christian"
are ALSO an oxymoronic contradiction in terms
basically put, there quite simply IS nothing "Good" about being a "Christian"

there is an entire publication that, in it very title, is an oxymoron
the "Christian Science" monitor
Science and Religion are diametrically contradictory, and are mutually exclusive ideologies
Christianity has ALWAYS been blindly and violently opposed to all forms of science in all of their varying historical incarnations,
from the Inquisition in the 14th century (the "Eppur Si Muove" trial of Galileo Galiei and the murders of Nicholas Copernicus and Johannes Kepler)
to the Reformation Genocides in the 16th century (Unitarianist universalism to this day strongly supports scientific progress)
to the Scopes Monkey Trial in the 20th
and the Pennsylvania "Pandas and People: CreatIntelligent Designtionism" legal proceeding just a couple of years ago

there is an institution in West Virginia that has its own "history" museum:
the institute of "Creation Science"
once more again; and oxymoron and a contradiction in terms

anger at bile-o? no, it's contempt. he has nothing worthwhile to say. and stick around a while. you may change your opinion. for me, this is just a game.

this is one of the most moderate boards i have seen, so i say you will read some shit where your like wtf people but in time you will start to find one two three maybe more people that acutaly make some good logical points. It really depends on the article also.

It's not exactly anger and bitterness as much as it's irritation, like from a cold sore or diarrhea. He bullies, scoffs, ignores, generalizes, and vomits from his lungs what he wants to be words. It's hard to express emotion via posting online, though, and I think if you just wander the boards some more you'll find loads of smart, levelheaded conversations from impassive, unbiased perspectives.
You'll also find tools, but there are always tools.
Occupational hazard of socializing.

Muslim fundamentalist, our invasive foreign policy was what fueled the attack (we were in the middle east far before 9/11), our inattentiveness preventing any stopping of this attack. If you want to blame the religion, the blame religion itself because Hitlers hate for the Jewish steamed from catholic teachings in that time but we dont blame Catholics we blame Hitler. If you are saying that religion was the only factor or the biggest then i say we must turn away yours too because its only a matter of time until you lose your sanity as much as they did.

Hmm, another hate America Islam apologist rationalizing Muslims violence upon the innocent since the seventh century in Allah's name, attempting to equate Christianity on the same archaic medieval consciousness as Islam. . . proof positive that ignorance and denial are securely on-board the good ship stupidity.

muslims may have killed people since the seventh century
but Christianity has been causing death and destruction on a massive, global scale since seven centuries before then

christianity has been the instigator and the cause of every single war, massacre, slaughter and genocide in the history of the western world for the past two millennia (or TWENTY centuries)
and the christian church has killed more different people, in more different places, at more different times, and in more different ways, than anything else in the nearly 4-million-year history of the human species on the planet earth

my point is that, while what the Islamic Muslim Fundamentalist Extremist Radical Fanatics did in Manhattan a decade ago WAS horrible and terrible and reprehensible,
the United States of America itself is by far and away nowhere even close to being above reproach
Americans, CHRISTIAN Americans at that to boot no less i might add, have committed some of the most vile and dastardly acts in the recorded recent history of humanity
some of them VERY recently

and while the United States frequently makes an awfully bad habit of attacking, assaulting, and invading and occupying other sovereign nations without any cause or provocation
the fact is and remains that
no foreign nation, country or state or other power or entity has EVER attacked the United States of America without probable and just cause or without a good reason or sound justification

"the United States of America without probable and just cause or without a good reason or sound justification"
Really?... so Japan had justification December 7, 1941?

yes
throughout the first half of the 20th century,
the United states of America had been quietly, and "under-the-radar" (so to speak, to coin a phrase [they didn't have radar back then])
buying, conquering, colonizing, and annexing island nations in the southwest Pacfic ocean: Guam, the Virgin Island, Polynesia, the Philippines,
and yes, Hawaii too, also

this severely limited other pacific island nations such as Japan's access to the raw materials necessary to construct the type of infrastructure i order to build a modern industrial nation, of the sort that had been an Asian ambition since China was opened to trade with the rest of the world in the late 18th and early 19th centuries
the Empire of Japan perceived that the United States was using its world-power supremacy status, gained primarily in the aftermath of the First World War in Europe, to become and Imperialistic Hegemony of its very own
and the Empire observed that the vessel of America's conquest of Japan's own its nearby next-door neighboring islands was the United States Department of War (the 20th Century's predecessor of the modern-day DOD and DHS) at the Pentagon in Washington DC [the pentagon is actually really in Arlington, Virginia) and its military's Navy, specifically the Pacific Fleet, based out of and stationed in Pearl Harbor, near the capital city of Honolulu on the island of Oahu in the recently-annexed Pacific island archipelago, and newly-christened 50th state of Hawaii

The Japanese believed that, were the United States' conquest of the Pacific Islands to be allowed to continue unchallenged, that the Island Nation of Japan would be next

Here's the thing is;
as we would later find out after the Second World War ended in 1945
They could not have been more RIGHT

So you believe that all ills in world affairs are a direct result of Americas influence? That may be a false assumption on how I read your responses, but it sure comes across as if you have a low opinion of this nation... and as an apologist for all who may wrongfully have grievances with America, just cause or not.

You don't even understand the point he was trying to make do you? The only thing that stands in the way of radical evangelical crazies acting in a similar manner to radical Islamic crazies is the fact that the majority of Americans would refuse to put up with them.

I doubt the evangelicals would stone women for adultery but given the chance would pass laws forcing a woman to conceive a child even if it was due to rape, or threatened the mothers life. They would criminalize being gay even though the loudest of them are closeted gays. They would destroy all the advances that women have worked so hard to achieve. They would work constantly to undermine scientific advances, ESPECIALLY any that contradicted their world view. The impact to the medical sciences would be extreme because they would terminate all research that involved dead embryos, dead fetuses, stem cells and the like. The would reintroduce demons and witches into our culture because they really believe that nonsense. In essence they'd drive us back to the Middle Ages.

There are cultural distinctions between the two groups but their core natures are identical i.e. 'believe as I do or suffer the consequences'

what i believe its that if you are the richest, wealthiest, most affluent nation in the world, with the most powerful and technologically advanced military armed fighting forces that the planet has ever seen
and if you make a habit of using your influence and military superiority to invade and occupy other sovereign nations on a regular basis
there is really no way that i can conceive of that you can EVER possibly claim to play a victim

Huh !... Imagine that, yet we have a vast amount of Americans that do just that - play the part of victim, the public 'entitlement' recipients (welfare), not to mention corporate welfare (the Banksters), & the vast number of nations that we throw billions of dollars in aid (only to have the money confiscated for the benefit of the ruling despots) not to mention the back stabbing double-dealing from the hands of those we feed worldwide...

Yes, yes every freaking body is a god damn victim of the nasty ole U S of A... give me a frackin break and preach your black vision of this country to those who believe that shit, which should not be hard to do here at current, giving that most here are died in the wool socialist progressives, they love to hate America... you are in good company.

and yet we, all americans, as a nation continue to carry on playing the "Whoes Are Us" card every September, every year for the past decade
we use it to unilaterally start "crusades" [holy wars] against the cultures of other religions
to invade and occupy sovereign nations
to bomb entire countries into barren desert wastelands
and to massacre tens, even hundreds of thousands of innocent people in far-away parts of the world halfway around the globe
preemptively and without any provocation
it cannot really even be considered to be "revenge killings"
since, by its very definition, "retribution" must be against someone who actually could have possibly had anything to do with what happened to you

Question after September 11,2001:
"How will We Defend ouselves against the Jihadists?"
[Jihad:= Sacred Struggle]
Unelected George-Bush/Dick-Cheney Regime's Answer:
"We will wage a Crusade!"
[Crusade:= War for Christianity]

When right-wing American Militia extremists detonated an explosive-filled truck parked in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995– the deadliest domestic-based terrorist attack in US history
claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,
injured more than 680 people.
destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius,
destroyed or burned 86 cars,
shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.
estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.

Did we go to war against White Anglo-European Christian Natural-Born Citizens of the United States?
Of Course we didn't
if we had, the Republican "Tea-Party" GOP would have ceased to exist
and we would have had to invade and occupy most of the southern states south of the mason-dixon line
and bomb the Midwest and Plains states into a barren dessert wasteland

if our unilateral preemptive war against Islam and the Muslim Arabic culture and society in the middle East and West Asia is, as the unelected Bush/Cheney regime referred to it a "Crusade" against "Terror" (defined in any dictionary as "extreme fear", a primeval and primordial human emotion)

It makes one wonder at times what it would have been that we would have called our military invasion and occupation of the MIDWEST against the Christian European "Culture" and "society"

if we're going to play the "woes'r'us" victim card every fall and autumn, we should at the very least take a special moment to remember all the other things we have been a victim of,
including each other
as well as ourselves
we've been attacked ONE TIME, maybe perhaps twice (in our entire history) by radical fanatics from a far-away country halfway around the world
we've been frequently attacked literally COUNTLESS times by radical fanatics who are citizens from our very own nation

which begs the obvious question:
"When America attacks ourselves, who is the victim then?"

When America attacks themselves who will the victims be?.. the poor (the fools used as tools) for their own destruction... just as Alinsky et al conspired to come to pass, and none dare call it as it is, the sell out of our country.

All I see from you is your hate and disdain for America, you may put on the facade of a patriot, but I think you are nothing but an Alinsky demogogue.

"the poor"?
you mean the same people you referred to as being the "victims" of Medicare?
"all i see" is right
because you're blind to any information that happens to not fit your own paranoid-delusional borderline-schizophrenic conspiracy delusions of America
as the most perfectly divine and infallible in all of creation, one that can do no wrong, and is utterly above reproach, and above and beyond all others, on some higher ethereal plane of existence, and will never fail nor fall from its high perch of excellence
and which everyone else in the universe should be down on their knees being grateful and thankful for and envious and jealous of

perfection is in the eyes of the beholder
which make things difficult when both your eyes are closed and/or have blinders on them

all you can see is anyone/everyone ELSE's hatred disdain, and resentment

There is no paranoia or delusion about protecting our borders from invasion by Illegal Aliens... it is for protecting the peace and sovereignty of this nation citizens... that, my friend is common sense.

I know that America is not perfect, nor is any nation, but I'll take America with all it's warts and blemishes any day as it is - as compared to the collective horror that the elitist progressive statist will subject this country's citizens (soon to be no less than subjects) to should you and like minded demagogues were to have their way.

I submit that it is you who has on blinders and a closed mind, if you don't perceive that there is an political ideological war of one 'ruling class' over another for the control of the govt and the people... already we have allowed govt to seize way to much control - EXAMPLE:

I'd like to make you a business offer:

Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal.

But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits.

You're also going to have to pay me about 12 percent of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now ... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business, and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50 percent or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell whenever you'd like ... because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20 percent of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know, I know. You put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50 percent of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20 percent slice of the business.

Oh ... and one more thing.
Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees, I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50 percent of whatever your estate is worth.

After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children.

All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur, if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public, you'll end up paying me more than 75 percent of your income over your life. Thanks so much.

I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me, but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? This is America, isn't it?
That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs, is it?

And the idiots in Washington wonder why there are no new jobs.

Yes... there is much amiss in America, thanks to the idiots running it, and the idiots electing those same idiots again and again.

That is my disdain.

I use info from various sources to exemplify a point, just as you've just so handily done here.... so do you have a point beyond the one that I just previously made?... I think not.
Really Ian, it doesn't take much to see that when govt takes upon the task to control through 'regulating' the business sector, (initially with good intentions) it is usually with little to nearly no understanding or foresight of the long term impact of that which they seek to control.

To paraphrase Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi; "We have to pass this bill, in order to see what's in it".... Oh yeah, that is just exactly why there is no jobs, when our governing politicians cannot see far enough into the future the possible or probable results of their 'altruistic intentions'.... especially when their primary focus is really upon the results of their next fund raising campaign.... That, my friend is not bullshit, but fact.

the unelected GW Bush/Dick Cheney Regime's "War on Terror" ("terror" defined in any dictionary as being a variation of "extreme fear") is a picture-perfect example
if we, as a nation, were to slash our present annual federal government budget for the Department of Defense at the Pentagon to just 5% (1/20) of what it is today [altogetehr fully very nearly HALF of the Federal Government's total whole annual budget]
(which we could, it is my belief, quite easily do, if we were to just put a stop to our habit of unprovoked and preemptive carpet-bombings and armed military invasions and occupations of other sovereign nations on the far side of the globe)
not only could we provide guaranteed universal health care to every single american citizen
as well as eliminate college tuition in order to provide free secondary higher education to every single incoming freshmen high school graduate
but we could also eliminate our current multi-billion-dollar annual budget deficit shortfall, balance the federal government budget, and have enough of a annual budget surplus to have all of our entire multi-trillion dollar national debt paid off by, at the earliest, the middle of this century (2050's), and most certainly by the end of the 21st and the beginning of the 22nd century
and we would quite easily still have by far and away the best trained, best equipped, and most technologically advanced armed military fighting forces the known recorded history of human civilization has ever seen

I think we can agree on that. . . rampant deficit funding with virtually no responsible oversight or accountability seems to be the norm, doesn't it?

It brings forth the question: who's in control of our govt, fools?

I, for my very own personal self, happen to be of the belief that those in the Government are mostly, if not all, quite intelligent people
but they are, among other things, performers on a stage
and any smart performer plays not to the best of their own knowledge, but to their audience
and the american people are, above all else, short-sighted, selfish, self-centered, and self-important
they tend not to care all that very much about anything except for what is happening with themselves, at this very moment in time
so, playing to that constituency the leadership of our government only pays much attention to that which reaps very short-term gains.

Unfortunately intelligence does not exclude foolishness. . . and without a doubt I do concede that we have short-sighted, selfish, self-centered, and self-important bureaucrats that are the epitome of representatives that reflect the ethics and character of their constituencies.

Never the less, who's really in control?
.... judging from the cultural, financial and political chaos we are besieged with, and the continual pointing the finger blame game, it actually appears that it is no-one.

Enough with the Islamic Insults. As mentioned before, the terorists were Muslim "extremeists". If that doesn't compute to you, I will just consider you as being the same as Mcveigh, The KKK or White supremcists. They are all Christians rhght? Grow up!!

Those 'terrorist' Muslims were not 'extremists', they were very good and faithful Muslim 'Soldiers of Allah'.
... and btw, although the KKK was predominately from the 'Bible Belt', and the 'White supremacists' name speaks for itself, neither were or are exclusively 'Christian' activists groups - call them what they actually are... Hate groups.
Oh, and about Tim McVeigh?.. he was agnostic.

If hear I hear one more person compare Ted K or Timothy M. to the the muslim terrorists Im going to scream. People are so slow, even if Timothy was a christian, so what? he didnt bomb Oklahoma in the name of god but rather his hatred for the government. And Ted K? His motivations were no where near religious. Get a clue people!!

I was referring to ajaxada by the way.

Awesome, I see you took time to do a little research prior to your responding. Question: What religion was in that Bible Belt? Great ofservation that they were hate groups.. mainly professing Christianity. The fact is I consider myself Christian. I have served my country and spent time in Iraq, Kuwait, Greece to name a few. I have met many Muslims. They are people just like you or me. If you do a little more research, you will probably come to the conclusion that the pure Muslim faith is not that much different than Christianty. Just as we have hate groups, etremists, or whatever you wish to call them that do "unthinkables" in the name of Christianity,our cultures or even our country that we do not sanction as a whole, we do not all want to be associated with them. Just give Muslims that same respect.

Ryan, obviously you don't have a clue. The terrorist were an extremist group that proclaimed their muslim belief while committing an atrocity. This by no means subject the entire religion to being terrorists, If you want to classify the entire religion as terrorists, lets go both ways.

ajackass, you obviously don't have a clue and or any reading comprehension(a problem that plauges a lot of people on these boards). Yes, the muslims were an extremeist group that professed thier muslim faith- you took the words right out of my mouth. Now, when did I say that classifies all muslims as terrorists? I never did (that must have been one of your voices or a reslut of your inablitiy to comprehend what you read.) Now, again, Timothy Mcveigh and the unabomber commited atrocoities, but unlike the muslim terrorists their atrocities were not tied to their faith in any way nor were they motivational factors. that is the difference.just like you said the muslims professed thier faith with those atrocoities, well tim v or ted k never did. So, when someone compares 9/11 to the unabomber or oklahoma city when trying to defend the islamic faith, they are simply wrong, beacuse they are really comparing the fact that it was a terrorist act, but the fundamental difference between them is that there were no religious factors with tim v or the unabomber. Understand now?

Ryan Todd, I usualiy don't waste my time conversing with dumbasses. However, for you, I will dabble a little farther. Obiviously you did not read the tread you responded to and attempted to justify. So, true, this board is plagued with dumbasses, such as yourself( so take a quick peep in the mirror), so that you know who I am talking to, with little comprehension skills. Now realize that I understand what your narrow mind is trying so desperately to get across. Analyze it the way that you want and draw your conclusion. Be careful of your comments because I can be just as rude as you and can probably kick your ass quickly. Have a great evening... LOL

Ajackass, what the hell does tim v or the kkk or white suprem groups have to do woth classifying muslims as terrorists? you said, youre just the same as tim v, thek kk or ws groups if you think that way, why did crystal blow up a building too? does he burn crosses? does he shave his head and march around like a jackass? what? they shouldnt even be in the same sentence.? why? because tim v was agnostic anyway. You can only talk shit instead of answering what I said. So, dont get mad meathead, theres these thing called words, together they form sentences which relay messages. so go punch a pillow, Gohmer

Look dumbass I don't have the time to converse back and forth with you at this time. Try me another time and we can discuss (these "thing" called words?) and the terrorists that happened to be Muslim. So, shithead, I am not mad. Catch me another time and I will play the insult game with you. Until then assassin..... find someone else to annoy. I see you make a habit of it based on some of your treads.. Until then.... this is Gohmer.... Over and out you turd!!! LOL

ajackass, I can see the steam bellowing out of your ears, you are prolly smashing your small room to bits right now. its okay, Im sorry for judging you for not being able to read properly, I should have more respect for gohmers like yourself. Youre just mad you spent all those years in the military cleaning toilets and pushing papers and all you got was a lousy t-shirt, that says (does it matter? you cant read it anyway) and that std you got from fucking a camel. Copy that, Gohmerr, over and out. LMFAO

Happeneded to be muslim. see there ya go again Gohmer!

You are right dumbass REtard.. oh, my mistake... Ryan Todd. I am not educated enough to understand what prolly means however I apologize for assuming you were remotely intelligent as well. By the way, I had the LLama, remember... you were with the camel with the std. Reading between the lines with my limited ability, I realize that you were in the military as well.... or at least wanted to be. So the next time you buy yourself another of those shirts... please get one for me. I so desperately want an understanding of what it feels like to be you.... LMFAO as well......

ajackass, you have time for me after all. awe, and you also stay true to form by playing on my username, and so clever I might add.. awe. but weak showing on the witt with pointing out the fact I used prolly. I prolly used prolly for the sake of brevity, you should prolly find something else to point out because that prolly falls on the weak side in terms of cleverness. oh shit, youre right, I did have that camel, damn, I guess wheni told your mom we didnt need to use protection becasue I was clean I was lying, hey tell her sorry for me, will ya? bahahaha

You are so right dumbass retard. Thanks for clearing that prolly issue up because you appear far too intelligent to be making such mistakes. And I will be sure to relay the message to my mom. Be sure to telll your wife that I wont dare apologize for dick-slapping her in the face last night after ass-fucking her. Then again, she loved every hour of it.... LOL... I'm loving it.... But I really have to go soon... so be quick about it.. you know .. like your lady said you were...

I do and have done a lot of research, but my response to you is from knowledge gleaned through out the years... and thank you for the service of our country.

Over all you are right, Muslims are just people... their 'faith' however is not at all a 'religion of peace', it is anything but - many such as you, and amazingly enough, most Muslims don't even have a clue what the Qur'an actually says.
You're right, I don't want to be associated with them... I have no tolerance toward a faith that believes that it is morally superior to any and all creeds, cultures and religions.
One that I might add, thats vows to subject all of mankind to its oppressive monotheistic rule, which Islam has and will use any means (deception, violence, terror, mayhem and fear) to do so.

Didn't know you replied. anyway, your jokes are lame, just variations of mine. bogusguy aka Gohmer pile o shit

nope, that is the puritanical christian method.
its so hard to tell themn apart with all the patriarcal abuses they both cling to.

i gotta say the idea that all muslims practice thier faith identicaly is a true mark of deep thought.good job you sad sad sack

Agreed, and it so happens that I'm enjoying a glass of burgundy at the moment right know.

I agree with your view point and I consider myself a liberal. Happy Friday and enjoy your wine.

Lost? they won, they showed what a sleaze ball Bill is on national television.

Have you no decency?

Strippers didn't hijack planes and fly them into the trade towers. Muslims did.

Sex is too broad of a category. You need to get more specific. You make no sense at all and your attempt to point out the illogical is quite illogical within itself.

That is the point, those Muslims were Men! That's why Men should be kept away from our Sacred Strippers!

It is a LOT more insensitive to defile the Sacred Strippers since they are a whole block closer to Ground Zero

No more illogical than generalizing to just Muslims, if you want to get more specific then why not get to extremists instead of just Muslims?

If someone is being illogical then what use is it to be logical when they won't recognize it?

Yes that is true. They were Muslim extremists. Being a Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist, but, in the political climate of TODAY, if you are a terrorist then you are more likely to be a muslim than say a hindu, a christian, etc..etc..

That is another generalization since extremists that use terror have no religion, gender or nationality. They are defined by their actions.

NAME: National Liberation Army (ELN)—Colombia
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1965.
GOALS: Replacing the current government with a Marxist regime.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: Conducted a campaign of mass kidnappings during the late 1990s, each of which involved at least one U.S. citizen.
STRENGTH: Approximately 3,000 to 6,000 armed combatants and an unknown number of active supporters.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Rural and mountainous areas of north, northeast, and southwest Colombia and Venezuela border regions.
COMMENTS: Marxist insurgent group formed by urban intellectuals inspired by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. A Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) listed as "active" during 2000.

NAME: Revolutionary Nuclei (RN) a.k.a. Revolutionary Cells
DATE STARTED/FIRST ACTIVE: 1995.
GOALS: Believed to be the successor group to the Revolutionary People’s Struggle (ELA), RN is a leftist group with an anti-establishment, anti-U.S., anti-NATO and anti-EU agenda. The ELA, which sought to oppose “imperialist domination, exploitation, and oppression,” has not been active since 1995.
MAIN ANTI-U.S. ACTIVITIES TO DATE: In November 2000, RN bombed the Citigroup offices in Athens and the studio of a Greek/American sculptor. In December 1999, the group detonated explosives outside the Athens offices of Texaco.
OPERATIONAL LOCATIONS: Mainly the Athens metropolitan area in Greece.
COMMENTS: RN was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) on March 27,

I don't know what you are arguing. What I am arguing however is that groups who are the most likely to attack America and our allies are more likely to be Muslim. If you think otherwise then you are sadly mislead and uninformed.

I don't know what you are arguing. What I am arguing however is that groups who are the most likely to attack America and our allies are more likely to be Muslim. If you think otherwise then you are sadly mislead and uninformed.

How mislead and uniformed is it to focus only on one threat and ignore all the others?

Muslims are not the only people that use terror and would attack the US or anyone else, if you feel safer to concentrate just on that, it is just as foolish.

You are more likely to be blown up by an eco-terrorist that wants to save the enviroment from evil corporations while you're putting all your attention watching a Muslim.

Look at all those dates -hey, I know how to use google to by the way- the latest date is 2000. hmmm, before a certain other important date. I said in "today's" political climate. Come on man when is the last time you heard about an elf suicide bomber? and the anti-imperialist movements are a lot different now, more in the form of political rhetoric like that of Hugo Chavez. You are just in denial, bro.

I bet you have a spectacular view of the pryamids, from De-Nile watching 1.3 million Muslims for the less than 5 thousand that are extremists.

So what? 9/11 was 10 years ago too, so I guess that mean that Muslims are no longer a threat also.

man this is exhausting. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

I asked you when was the last time you heard of a elf suicide bomber. ?? Then I said the anti-imperialist movement has come more into the political arena rather than terrorist attacks (which most being in the 80's anyway) you gave no response. then I said the most recent and prominent terrorist attacks(and even ones that have been thwarted) have been by muslims. you have no response but to say that "so muslims arent a threat then too?" wtf? scratching my head a little bit now.

had strippers dont it, would it be appropriate to state strippers are the ones who killed us, not a few strippers?
should we then declare a war on pasties?