Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

to bad they'll kill him for being a sexual "traitor".

The biggest critics of what?

So, what you are saying is, you have absolutely no idea what homosexuality is, you have no idea that in previous generations gays were TOLD by the church to find a woman and get married because that would "cure" them, So he did EXACTLY what the Church told him to do.

Plus, he was honest with her from the beginning- they both believed that marriage would "cure" him of being gay.

Plus, where the hell did you get this adultery crap?
There was absolutely no adultery mentioned in the article- none.

It's not only that he said that homosexuality is not a choice- every sane person does.

If you disagree, tell us all about the day you made the choice to be straight instead of gay.

Or how about this- make the choice to be gay- for just a minute or so.
Have a gay minute.

Ohh, I like that.. " have a gay minute." May I use that, Utopian?

Yes, for as many minutes as you want!

Most of the time a gay minute lasts a life time :)

Merci!

No, Chicago doesn't know what you're talking about.

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No one knows what you are talking about, ever.

Why would they want to do that? Theyre still raking in the dough...

What about Christianity is a lie.
How does someone being gay conclude that Christianity is a lie.

"What about Christianity is a lie."

Do you actually need that explained to you also?
Start with Genesis, and then continue reading till Revelations.
If you STILL need the blatantly false statements pointed out to you,
then no one pointing out those false statements will make you see them.

"How does someone being gay conclude that Christianity is a lie."

Do you know anything about what Christians in this country have said about gays?
Do you realize that they are not true?

religion is a conspiracy to keep the masses from killing each other..meaning..fear of god might be the only thing keeping them from killing you

LOL..is this the case where you come out and bully a gay man??

What UtopianSky said.

They can kill any of us if they wanted to.

Funny, I though religion WAS the reason people were killing each other.

Actually, it's to prevent the poor from killing the rich.

The poor are told that in heaven, they will live like kings for an eternity, and the rich kings will go to hell.

They believe that rubbish, so were content living in shit, believing they will be rewarded.

The kings knew it was a bunch of crap, and, well, lived like kings.

And the same goes today, as the rich Republicans use Christianity to control and manipulate the dumbest members of their voting base.

Do you even think about the words you write, or are they random, like from some dart game or the toss of some dice?

so long as they don't get touchy feely with the children I don't care what they do to each other.

Good point.

Honestly, there is no reason for Christianity to be so hostile to homosexuality. I'm hoping this opens the door to tolerance.

every body should have one.

No, his wife knew he was gay from the time they got married.
He was honest with her from the beginning.

If you are saying that he was probably sick of being blackmailed, I'd agree that this was a likely scenario.

I bet the church-goers from the Church in the Now probably were not aware until recently though.

Wow- you must have some serious psychological problems if you think a person being honest about who he is somehow is ANTI free speech.

How about this- try learning how to be pro-HUMAN, and anti-NO ONE.

Until then, you are simply worse than any of the claims you make about others.

No, the Anti-Defamation League is anti-free speech, NOT the gay pastor. Try to pay attention UtopianSky and stop twisting/obfuscating here.

I'm not badmouthing the pastor, I'm badmouthing the ADL, which has a very long history of being anti-free speech and anti-Christian (as well as anti-Muslim when it comes to promoting war on behalf of Israel).

"How about this- try learning how to be pro-HUMAN, and anti-NO ONE."

Interesting coming from one of the most notorious anti-Christian members of Current. Talk about hypocrisy.

Being pro-human has nothing whatsoever to do with being christian. Try again.

Are you saying that being "pro-human" would exclude Christian members of the human race?

Please explain to me stever_b what YOUR definition of "pro-human" is because now I am having trouble following your argument.

What? Still no answer sterver_b?

Oh, I'm paying close attention.

This story had nothing to do with the Anti-Defamation League, yet because of your deep psychological problems and paranoid homophobia you brought it up.

This was a story about a gay man who was brave enough and strong enough to come out of the closet because he knew it was the right thing to do, because he felt he just might save people's lives by making them feel better about themselves.

And on that article, you go on a hate-filled rampage of ignorance and stupidity.

And as for your personal attack, you call me "one of the most notorious anti-Christian members of Current" as if that contradicts a pro-HUMAN stance.

I love the sinner, and hate the sin.

And you sir- have a whole lot of sin to hate.

I smell a christian with a persecution complex. Imagine a christian blaming the jews again.

Wait so saying that its wrong to verbally abuse and deride people becuase of who they are, thats ok cause thats free speech? Really, because I am told all the time its wrong for me to swear, should I sue my employer because I have free speech? If I were to nock on christians, well frequently, they would say it is wrong for me to do this, but they do not say it is wrong for them to openly and frequntly hate on gays. If I chose to attack them at every tiny opurtunity I bet you would just hate me for that. Hate no matter where it is is not healthy

"This was a story about a gay man who was brave enough and strong enough to come out of the closet because he knew it was the right thing to do, because he felt he just might save people's lives by making them feel better about themselves."

Well kudos to the pastor for doing what he thought was right, but I can't help noticing the timing at which he came out of the closet.

Whenever you see someone speaking to the media about bullying, you can bet that the Anti-Defamation League can't be far behind, especially when you know what the ADL agenda is: anti-free speech and staunchly anti-Christian.

If you want to call me a paranoid bigot for pointing that out, well then oh well, I'll just point out your blatant ongoing anti-Christian bigotry.

http://njjewishnews.com/article/statewide/adl-praises-state-legislature-for-toug...

Article dated October 27, 2010

"Prompted in part by last month’s suicide of a Rutgers University freshman who was outed as gay in cyberspace, a new law against bullying was introduced in both houses of the New Jersey Legislature Oct. 25 and given strong backing by a leading Jewish organization."

I never said such things. Hating anyone for who they are is wrong, but in America if you ridicule, deride, mock and hate Christians. Christians can even be killed, burned alive and shot execution style like in the Waco and Columbine massacres and it's no big deal.

Tolerance is never a two way street with ADL types. Being intolerant of Christians is perfectly acceptable, even encouraged.

Hmmm. Ted Haggard Pretending to be cured? Eddie Long? Westboro Baptist Church? How about the Southern Baptist Church in general?

Again- you have some severs psychological problems manifesting in an obsession with Jewish people.

This story has NOTHING to do with Judaism.

YOU "can't help noticing the timing" because, frankly, every day, all day long, is anti-Jew time! Hey- it's raining- it's the Jews fault! It must be- notice the timing! I was just thinking about how much I hate the Jews, and then it started to rain, so the Jews must have done it!

And on this completely unrelated tangent you have run down, just think about what your opinion actually is- You are arguing in favor of BULLYING.

To you, harassment is a free speech issue, because it's your favorite pastime.

And no, claiming that all non-Christians are anti-Christian bigots does not hide your obvious antisemitism.

This is so beyond deluded that there is no word for it.
America is over 80% Christian.
Almost ALL politicians are Christians.

For you to even SLIGHTLY think that this country is bigoted against Christians is so far off the Sanity Road that you can't even see it from where you are.

But that is to be expected- you hate the Jews. You hate the one religious group that HAS been scapegoated more than any other for thousands of years, even to the point of being the victims of a mass genocide killing millions.

Yet, to you, that's A-OK.

So tell me- do you think Islam is to blame for stoning women to death for being seen in public without a burka?

You obviously think Judaism is to blame for, well, everything.

Yet, to you, constant messages from Fundamentalist Cristian conservatives that being gay is a "choice" and a "sinful lifestyle" have absolutely no impact on gay children at all.

Constantly being told that you are a worthless sinner who has to change what cannot be changed would in no way make someone give up all hope and kill themselves, right?

Nah- it must be the Jews fault.

I'm just posting facts and you're spouting your opinions and accusations and my claims of hating this person and that.

The fact of the matter is that the ADL is pushing the anti-bullying agenda (which failed in Congressional hearings last year), and the recent gay suicides are being pinned on Christians, but I don't see any evidence that Christians were involved in those bullying deaths.

Let's talk facts, not your accusations of me being crazy or a hater, because I hate no one except for liars, and the Anti-Defamation League are in fact a bunch of liars

"So tell me- do you think Islam is to blame for stoning women to death for being seen in public without a burka?"

Yes, that is a religious tennent of Islam. Do I agree with it? No, but I'm not a Muslim.

By the way, all abrahamic religions are generally opposed to homosexuality, but I could care less what people do in their bedrooms.

I'm not "pro-bullying" as you charge, I just point out the double standards of this board being anti-Christian while crying about tolerance.

THERE IS NO DOUBLE STANDARD.

First off, this "board" is NOT anti-Christian. There have been no "boards" since the 1980's. This is a web site. And this web site is filled with people from various walks of life, most of whom ARE CHRISTIAN.

Second, non-christian individuals like myself have said repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, over and over and over again:

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it".

That means that even though I am an Atheist, and I think religions, ALL RELIGIONS, are harmful to individuals and to society at large, I FIRMLY believe every individual has the right to believe whatever asinine crap they want to believe.

What you don't understand about free speech, is that means that we have the right to criticize Christianity just as much as you have the right to proclaim it.

Now get off your high horse, and stop your persecution complex.
It's like a billionaire complaining about putting a quarter in a parking meter.
You don't have a CLUE what discrimination is.

FACT: America is over 80% Christian.

FACT: Almost ALL politicians are Christians.

FACT: For you to even SLIGHTLY think that this country is bigoted against Christians is so far off the Sanity Road that you can't even see it from where you are.

FACT: This post has nothing whatsoever to do with the ADL.

FACT: You keep bringing up the ADL.

FACT: You have some serious issues you need to deal with.

I think i love you.

And I'll keep brining up the ADL everytime I see something about "bullying" as to remind everyone that this anti-bullying bullshit is an ADL agenda that FAILED in Congressional hearings for a reason, and now the ADL is using the hype from these suicides to ram through their FAILED anti-bullying agenda.

Sorry if you don't like it, but I'll guess you'll have to just get used to it.

Here is one walk of life.
Christians are known for being intolerant, especially towards gays. We have more Christians in America so we tend to see the christian side more than the Islamic side. After being called immoral, going to hell, spawn of Satan, mentally ill and having our rights held back you know what we are going to be pissed! If Christianity didn't make themselves the face of the anti gay movement there wouldn't be an issue. Except the pedophilia but that's a different story.
Believe what you want i don't care, say what you want you have the right, but when you limit my rights and abilities that's a different story, and when the things you are saying are becoming factors in suicides , you should know you are going too far and have crossed the line into evil regardless if you are saying its "gods" word.
If religion was a product and affected people the way that it does it would be illegal at least without a prescription . I would not make it illegal personality but if you cant see that then you are blind. Im sorry many good Christians have to be caught in the line of fire, but i did not want to be apart of this ether, but i wont let anyone tell me im wrong because they read it in some mythological book. You have the right to say it i have the right to disagree in which ever way i want. Especially because im not limiting the rights of abilities of any group of people. Taking away choice is the most unethical thing a person can do.
No one here is "Anti -Christan" if anything they are Anti religion, i haven't met one that discriminated in favor of any religion except some Catholics who hate the Muslims.

And I love how people like you cannot debate without insulting. Really shows your character.

Thats what people who lost say. :)

you wouldn't be the first to tell her that. :) and i am certainly sure i wasn't the first either.

This board/website in not indicative of anti-christian sentiments. The post is about one man's courage against inhuman incidents.
Besides, your eyes are your window to the world and if you view it with a religious outlook it definitely will have its own side effects.

Another one tonight with ridiculous spin. "Pro-human" is pretty self explanatory and it does not exclude christians. It just seems like you're looking for a fight, which you won't find here.

UtopianSky said it ALL better than I ever could. Go re-read his posts. Rinse. Repeat.

explain pro-human vs anti human.

And I hate how people like you make entire posts that are nothing but bigotry, and are shocked if you get insulted.
That shows YOUR character.

Thanks!

All you are doing is "reminding" everyone that you are an anti-Semitic bully.

If you actually need something like that explained to you, I pity you.

We still would like to know the definition of anti-human vs. pro-human.

LOL name calling is pretty typical of your lot it's really all that you have since I've not bullied anyone in this thread or on this board period. If had done it I would have been kicked off Current by now.

Pointing out that anti-bullying propaganda comes straight from the Anti-Defamation League (provable) is not anti-semitism by any means, but go ahead and continue to hurl childish insults at me.

Go ahead then, be a hater and hate me, what do I care?

I'm not surprised.

Yeah, god forbid we stop bullying.

hahha no one hates you. Your not worth the time or effort lol Your more like a mosquito a little prick that we slap and instantly forgot you existed.

Not for bullying div, I'm just against the organization and their agenda behind the legislation. I'm not sure why that is so difficult to understand especially since I've never promoted people being bullied before.

But when you say you dislike the organization, and then claim they have an "anti-bullying agenda" or they put out "anti-bullying propaganda," how exactly are we supposed to take that? Usually people use the words "agenda" and "propaganda" together when don't support that cause or belief. In the literal sense, yes it is an agenda (it should be everyone's agenda), and it is propaganda, but in conjunction with how you feel about the ADL, it came off as snide.

If megachurches can be considered to be following the teachings of Jesus, and that's a debatable point.

That is true- Jesus said to pray silently, alone, not yelling from street corners.

Thanks!