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Muslims Bite the Hand That Feeds Them! Anti-sharia measure faces legal challenge.

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OKLA. CITY — A Muslim civil rights organization is legally challenging a freshly passed constitutional amendment regarding Islamic law on the grounds that it violates the U.S. Constitution.
The measure amends the state Constitution, changing Article 7, Section 1, making courts rely on federal law and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law, and it forbids courts from considering or using Islamic law, also known as sharia.

The action has sparked a heated debate between Muslims who want to live peacefully in America and Americans who worry about Islam’s increasing reach around the world.

Muneer Awad, executive director of the Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, filed a 27-page memorandum in support of plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction enjoining officials with the Oklahoma State Election Board from certifying the election results for State Question 755.

In Tuesday’s general election, the legislative referendum received 695,568 yes votes, 70.08 percent of the total, and 296,903 no votes, 29.92 percent of the total, according to the State Election Board. http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x1364884942/Anti-sharia-measure-faces-legal-chall...
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118 comments // Muslims Bite the Hand That Feeds Them! Anti-sharia measure faces legal challenge.

  • SuperGayJesus
  • Nephwrack
  • congoboy
  • SuperGayJesus
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • musics
  • congoboy
  • FtheBULLSHT
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      FtheBULLSHT  
    • Sharia Law is sickening, I'm all for Freedom of Religion but honor killings (even if it's the extreme of Sharia Law) and such have no place in America. With that being said Stem Cell Research and gay rights need more freedom.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Nephwrack
  • ahiguy
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      ahiguy  
    • Nephwrack:

      I would that I may have that much confidence, with the examples of the will and intellect of our "leaders", unfortunately I have not the same degree of confidence after witnessing various aspects of bureaucratic lawlessness from these past few decades.

    • 1 year ago
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • separation of church and state pretty much blows this outta the sky every time it comes up. funny how you right wingers are against it when it's christianity, but for it when it it's islam.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • jubal
  • jubal
  • Debra_
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Debra_:

      when they grow the fuck up and leave the world alone. its difficult to not hold some disdain when most of the worlds conflicts are due to muslims who either cant get along with their neighbors or their host countries.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Debra_:

      says the jew bashing, racist.
      i dunno when are you going to get over jews, and blacks and grow up.you are on the inside, please enlighten us to the time table, cuz we have been waiting.

    • 1 year ago
  • SuperGayJesus
  • congoboy
  • SuperGayJesus
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • Peacey
    • +4
      Peacey  
    • Seriously?!
      Now wait a minute, since when are we following the bible to the letter? If you're going to quote the bible, follow the 10 commandments, then you better start smiting and stoning people to death over trivial stuff like infidelity and theft.
      This is hypocrisy at its finest. The judicial system is law of the land. Not law of spirituality and religious findings. This is purely hate and paranoia at its finest.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Replicant
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      Replicant  
    • This shouldn't be solely a Muslim issue. I have yet to find anything that states what the measure means by "considering". If this means that Oklahoma courts cannot have non-US law mentioned under any circumstances then everyone in the Oklahoma should be concerned.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Replicant
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      Replicant  
    • congoboy:

      Read the article you posted. As I was saying, the article along with other articles reporting the same story do not make it clear what the amendment means when it says that courts cannot "consider" other types of law. This could mean that the courts will be forced to ignore evidence and or mitigating circumstances in certain court cases. In other words, this amendment is most likely in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

    • 1 year ago
  • dcrog
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      dcrog  
    • Uh, geeze, I can't believe "Liberals" are the first to come to the defense of the stone-aged religion that got its start by cutting the heads off of those who refused to "convert". IF Sharia ever gets implemented here, it will be those same Liberals who are first separated from their heads. Wake up people! Islam is the most intollerant religion on the face of the Earth. The muslims won't tollerate gay people, "freedom of expression", separation of church and state, or any of the "freedoms" that we take for granted in western society.

      D'ya ever hear about incrementalism? The muslims want to get Sharia accepted here, and in the EU, "just for them", and once it is, over a generation or so, it will be expanded to eventually cover everyone. We have short term memory and short term goals here, muslims still have their panties in a wad over ancient "wrongs", and they dream of a time in the future when Islam will dominate the entire planet. Don't throw away the future of humans who have not even been born yet, Islam is certainly not worth your effort to defend it.

      This is America, the presumption always has been that those who freely chose to come here did so because they wanted freedom and opportunity. If any group of immigrants come here and hate our civilization and our system of laws and government so much, they should get the hell out and move back to their land of assbackwardness. Would you immigrate somewhere that had a culture and body of law that you hate? If you did, would it be your "right" to file litigation to force a change against the will of those people?

      Immigrate to any muslim ruled country and try to implement freedom of or from religion, or freedom of speech. Or, how about, send your daughter to college, have a girlfriend who drives a car or shows off a little bit of her sweet booty, or hangs with male friends who are not her relatives. What would happen in these situations? The unfortunate people in those nations are controlled with the filthy boot of unwashed and unshaven spawn from cave dwelling freaks on their necks. Did I mention, it's against their "religion" to wear underarm deoderant? For God's sake, can you imagine what it smells like in a crowded room over there?!?!

      Islamists don't want to get along with you, they don't want to "live and let live", they turn their snouts down at you for not drinking the same koolaid they drink.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
  • bailey78
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • congoboy
  • bailey78
  • congoboy
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • congoboy:

      Well Ok but you know that will put me in the poor house Oh wait I'm already there. AAh hell go for it you can take that trip you've been wanting to take. Besides you look over worked. You could really use the time off. hey I know You could come down here To Texas and do some fishing or duck hunting. It's duck season ya know.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • bailey78
  • congoboy
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  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • i stand corrected, this is the most ignorant title to a story.it doesnt even have anything to do with he story.

      its like reporting on oj simpson by stating "football gets bloody"

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • congoboy:

      the thing is, its trumped up bullshit.just like bill maher, i dont want islam legeslating us.but being as it is not even close to reality, even with the most liberal imagination, its not worth discussing.

      and for future reference when the aliens come to enslave us, im against that too.just cutting you off at the pass on that one.the question is wich one is most likely to happen first.i bet aliens

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
    • freecrack:

      Why are idiots so paranoid about Islamic Law taking over. HELLO! - Do we have any Islamic members in the House or Congress? -The people who WRITE our laws?
      -No?....then STFU.

      -Idiots.!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
    • FtheBULLSHT:

      Liberals are whatever the Right hates, and the Right says we are.
      I'm actually beginning to think that "liberals" are anyone who disagrees with those on the Right.
      If only they were smart enough to learn the differences between fascism, communism, and socialism. Oh and they hate the well educated....Whoops, I mean "elites".
      You know, the type of person who has a rich daddy running an oil company, or working for the government, gets sent to some fancy school like Yale, and then get in the same business his father was in. -Oh Shit. Wait a minute. That was George W.
      I guess that makes him an Elite, then huh?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • mitekillem:

      honestly, i think its fox.
      im not speaking partisanly, its just that fox creates its own alternate world.kind of like the "wwe universe".different rules,and standards,
      in wwe world when your have a crush on a chick, the protocal is to fight thier present partner in a winner gets the girl match, and on fox if we good ol' mericans are the good guys, they are the bad guys.
      kane shows you he is the bad guy, by chokeslaming a prone woman through a flaming tabel.on fox islam is the enemy cuz they like blowing up babies.

      the thing is though, wrestling fans no when the show is over, it is back to reality,
      fox calls its entertainment "news" and in its narrative tells its viewers not to believe anything else.

      trekkies dress up and go to conventions, and fox viewers get thier guns and hate on islam.well that is until a new boogey man comes about.i mean no heel keeps his heat for ever.sure mcmahon got two wrestlemanias off of andre the giant, but to keep up interest it had to switch to savage, or the ultimate warrior.hogan/america vs andre/islam cant sell forever.

      i see mexicans being the transitional champ, until a new bad guy can be formulated.i mean before 9-11 who was thier whipping boy? illegal aliens who were going to outbreed us and take over.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • congoboy
  • addie340
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      addie340  
    • How many people actually know what sharia law is ? Look into it and you will know why Oklahoma has voted it down. It is about the most radical law you have ever heard of. Do some research and come to your own conclusion. America can't have two sets of laws one for US citizens and one for people that are Muslim and want to live by the barbaric sharia law. If you don't like our laws here move the hell out !!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
    • +4
      freecrack  
    • addie340:

      nor can we tolerate jewish law, or christian law, but hey picking on sharia isnt racist.singling them out, despite muslims making up less than one percent of that state, and no attempt at instituting sharia law, legeslating against it is reasonable.

      can we spend our tax payer dollars on creating anti-martian legislation while we are at it too.i mean its clear in our constitution that that martian law is not to supercede our national law, but lets just waste time on it anyway.

      it isnt like it would stoke the flames of hatred, or fear monger, oh..........ooops.............it does.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
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      ahiguy  
    • freecrack:

      That is ridiculous... and you well know it... just as you well know that Muslims are continually usurping law of host nations to favor Sharia law... it is the way of Islam to maintain control of the mind and will of Muslims (it is nothing less than the means of policing their own through fear and intimidation)... without Sharia, Islam is just another archaic religious dogma that would be trampled over and kicked aside on the road to progress.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      i dont think you and i are in disagreement as to what constitutes a "ridiculous" statement. so here are some stats for your consumption.
      http://www.islam101.com/history/population2_usa.html

      with the millions of muslims that reside in the united states presently, and the hundreds of thousands who have historicaly, wouldnt it be rediculous to state that "muslims are continually usurping law" when literaly not one case of that exists.
      you are making a factual statement about islam that is the exact opposite of reality.

      in the entire history of the united states, of the millions of muslims who make up part of our society, 1 case ever had sharia usurp our law.and it was a temperary ruling that was appealed, and overturned.that is like a 0.000000000002% instance.and if you want to actualy be true to statistics it is 0%, as the ruling was temperary, making sharia never actualy instuted, or accepted.

      btw the way of RELIGION is to control the mind and will of its followers.not just islam, but all religions.unless you suppose european law, coincidentaly was identical to church mandate? unless israel/judea's laws were coincidentaly one in the same with judaism.all religion is law.torah means law.

      you may be ok compartmentalizing "islam" as those crazy fundamentalists in the middle east.but when you refer to thier madness, by describing it as all of islam, you brand the millions of good innocent people erroniously.i dont see any link other than faith, between ice cube, or kareem abdul jabar and the lunatics who blow themselves up.

      just cuz christians in uganda are head hunting fags, doesnt mean every christian is on the anti-gay warpath
      just cuz idf soldiers kill palestinians, doesnt mean jews hate arabs
      and just cuz tribes of fundamentalist throwbacks usurp regional powers, doesnt make islam that.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • congoboy:

      oh sad sad congo.reverting back to the ol cut and paste bit.
      well that is actualy what is happening.the ones who dont want to live in thier shit hole come here.shit even the terrorists who are tired of living in thier shit holes give up the jihad, to live in california.not imposing sharia, as hey like our freedom.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
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      ahiguy  
    • freecrack:

      You are such a chronic contrarian that you can't help yourself, can you?
      Am I threatened for dismemberment/death for the "crime" of apostasy if I "fall" away from Christianity and embrace another?... not in my world... but it sure as blazes happens to many who live within Islam.
      ... but go ahead and wear your apologist attire, it fits you well.

    • 1 year ago
  • Stever_B
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      Stever_B  
    • congoboy:

      It's funny to me that you right wing guys are so rah! rah! rah! America and it can do no wrong and yet constantly illustrate how weak you think the U.S. is by your almost psychopathic panic of the idea of MUSLIMS taking over the country. If it's not the "Victory Mosque" ON Ground Zero, IN Ground Zero, whatever, it's the Sharia Law that's going to stone people or cut their hands off.

      Why do you believe that this is a credible threat? Why do you think America so weak that this is even a remote possibility? It seems distinctly un-American to assume that the United States would so easily fall into the hands of "undesirables", don't you think?

      It sounds like some pretty severe xenophobia to me. Get a grip and do some critical thinking and stop posting these embarrassing stories with their imaginative headlines to try and push your conservative xenophobic agenda. Not everyone in the country is afraid of things and people that they don't understand. You're in a minority.

      "The Few. The Loud. The Wrong."

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
    • 0
      mitekillem  
    • congoboy:

      Weird. Aren't Republicans trying to change our healthcare and social security.
      -Maybe someone should tell them to stay the hell away from OUR laws. ...and to Stop changing them. Maybe someone should take their head out of whatever hole they have it in, thinking it's America, when we're up here on the surface.

      Also...it's not yours. Thinking America is Yours = entitlement. I thought the right was against Entitlement. -right?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • mitekillem:

      like it or not they are our laws to change either left or right leaning. no foreign body or immigrant legal or otherwise has any business telling us how to run our country, make or enforce our laws

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • freecrack:

      and they are welcome in my book if they want to accept, adapt, and abide by american law. although frankly speaking moving to california is trading one shit hole for another

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
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    • Stever_B:

      well after close and careful observation as to their neglect and refusal to assimilate. their attempts, sometimes successfully to change laws in other parts of the world. it would be irresponsible to assume they wouldnt want to try it here as well.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      are you threatened for dismemberment/death for the crime of apostasy if you fall away from christianity and embrace another?
      in some circles no.in fundamentalist circles yes.(assuming that is a christian deal, as i wouldnt know)
      how did the puritans deal with people suspected of conspiring with the devil? a tongue lashing, i think not.
      how did the inqusition treat those who fell away from christianity?

      according to your understanding, islam with its honor killings couldnt possibly tolerate pornography.yet turkey, a clearly muslim state has a thriving sex industry that rivals eastern europe.no death's.no punishment what so ever.while muslim fundamentalist kill fellow muslims for wearing western dress, you still see them as all the same.if so, then how ever would one be wearing western dress, if they all hate us so?

      a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist wether in the name of yaweh,jesus,or mohmed.islam isnt the flaw as a religion, as death sentences for slight offenses arent unique to them.as we speak ugandan christians have compiled, and distributed a list of a hundred people deemed guilty of homosexuality, and therefore worthy of death.not in the name of uganda, or islam, but in the name of jesus.in the name of jesus, they call for them to be hanged.

      do you imagine that jesus had no part in creating the basis upon wich those who killed matthew sheppard felt it was acceptable? were those two kids not tought that christianity must strike down such perversions? is christianity not as inspirational (for better or worse) than islam?
      holocaust museum shooter kills people, cuz the jews are evil is an isolated incident, and christianity is incidental.but the fort hood shooter represents all of islam?

      i make no apologies for terrorists, as they are beneath being considered human beings, as humanity doesnt do what they do.but that fundamentalism isnt exclusive to islam.

      i choose to not judge muhamed ali, based on the actions of mohamed atta.i dont judge busta rymes based on the action of bin-laden.it is just that simple.no apologies.just the truest, fairest,equality i know.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
    • 0
      ahiguy  
    • freecrack:

      .... and Neville Chamberlain rationalized Nazi Germany, refused to acknowledge its danger and offered appeasement... just like progressives do this very day about Islam... and what was the result then?

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      germany=country
      islam=religion
      its just that simple.
      islam as a religion has no inherant political agenda, as a country would
      islam as a religion has no inherant military force, wich nations do
      not even apples and oranges.
      one could equaly say the same arguement applies to a multitude of things, like inter-racial marraige, or civil rights.
      just by the virtue of being a progressive mind, doesnt make it a liberal flaw.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      it pains me to even dignify the notion, and i hope to god you are just doing this to see if my head explodes, but if every good muslim is a soldier for god, why did mohamed ali not serve in vietham wehn called.why didnt he serve in killing those athiest infidel bastards in nam?

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
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      ahiguy  
    • freecrack:

      I'm talking about the beat of a different drummer.
      It is evident we are not on the page here, but it seems that I recall that it is in the Qur'an that every devout Muslim male was considered to be in will and command, a soldier of and for Allah... am I wrong?

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      http://jews.ma

      you are correct, just as all of us regardless of faith are commanded similarly.i am commanded to follow the 613 mitzvot (wich i think im at like 6 at the moment), you have your jesus originated commands, like love thy nieghbor, and islam has kind of the same deal as jews.maybe not the organized listing of laws, but same belief in following gods law above all others is rightious.
      if that is interpreted as war, then they fight.
      if that is interpreted as love, then they fuck.

      the important thing is to remember that it is all about allah.not bin-laden, or kaleed mohamed, or any of the meglomaniacs posing as prophets.they are commanded to follow god, and some choose to follow men.
      just as serving the lord doesnt make you or i an actual slave, niether does being a soldier for allah mean they are all warriors.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8
      im sure you have seen this crazy dumbass bitch before, but it never gets old, and serves my point to a "t".this is a god warrior, in the name of jesus.a woman (albiet insane) who interperates the word of jesus, to be a call for her to be a "warrior".
      big point over all, is even despite this retarded belief, what threat does she pose to anyone?
      aside from the viewing public.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
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      ahiguy  
    • freecrack:

      It is not what is commanded, but what is adhered too that defines the mind of the faithful... and unfortunately for infidels, there are still far to many 'faithful' whack jobs in the Muslim community all to willing to kill for Allah.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ahiguy:

      we (you and i) are teetering on the point of all of this.yippie
      if it isnt a matter of what is commanded, but what is adhered too that defines the mind of the faithfull, then islam is not one thing as many sects exist with different adherences.
      so all of islam cannot be a threat accoriding to this, only those who adhere to a certain understanding, wich is subjective.meaning in its most literal/extreme sense, only terrorists have shown themselves to adhere to the interpritation that we deem that of our enemy.the other 99% havent adhered to this version of islam.

      plus in that statement comes the civil rights question, can you rightfully find some one guilty of a crime that only exists in thier mind? i mean i hate neo-cons, and for all the world knows i may believe that in the name of god i should kill them.but until i do it, i am not wrong right?
      i get that finding the holocaust museum shooter guilty before he attacked, would have been a good thing.but we just dont do that.we dont punish people, before they are guilty of something, other than thinking the wrong thing, as it didnt work out so well for the puritans who tried it out.

      terrorists are evil,yes.arab nationalists and dictators are evil.but the number of individual muslim's who follow the same broader religious belief's who are pacive, greatly exceeds those who are terrorists.islam is not the enemy.
      a section of people who happen to be muslim find reason to kill us.as grouping of people who happen to be arab, preach against us.only 20 percent of islam is based in the middle east.of that 20 percent, less than one percent find cause for violence, no less against us.
      if in a blind test you were asked, how you would catagorize a religion with less than one percent violence rate resulting from belief in? you would respond quite favorably no? it would sound like a dream, right.

      call terrorist's evil, or jihadi's the enemy, but not islam.it just isnt a reasonable means by wich to define our enemy.saying islam is a threat cuz terrorists are overwhelmingly muslim, is like corrolating terrorism with hair, or eye color."the war on brunette".
      every culture, like us or hate us, will have a religion.if the middle east were all scientologists, im sure tom cruise would be an imam calling for our destruction.being as no religion has our four hundred year old country as its basis,the religious distinction or catagorization of who our enemy is absurd.

      as citizens of the united states of america, our enemy cannot be a religion, as no religion teaches about us, one way or the other.as individuals, our humanity supercedes any book or word.with or without religion, we arent compelled to kill one another, and the majority dont care to.instinctualy, wether told about jihad or not.some are warriors, but most are not.if those who will not kill, are always subject to those who do, is a natural law, and we have made it this far, our nature must be not to kill.otherwise we either would have gone extinct, or at least without any freedoms at all.
      as human beings, the worlds growing population shows our collective nature, and islam not at the gates shows, islam isnt motivated that way.otherwise we would be subject to 1.7 billion terror attacks.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • I don't see the controversy.

      There are a number of communities in the US that have their own laws- Amish, Mennonites, Hassidic Jews, etc.

      Those laws have NOTHING to do with our laws.

      Of course, no one outside their communities can be judged by their laws. If anyone from those communities breaks one of OUR laws, they are still punished by OUR laws.

      And they can only punish people within their communities voluntarily- any one of them can escape punishment by leaving the community and joining us secular folk. Plus, none of the punishments can be inhumane- like stoning.

      As long as moderate and liberal Muslims practice Sharia law within those constraints, there is no problem.

    • 1 year ago
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