Amnesty International calls for investigation into Bush's admission of torture in memoir

When you count the war dead by counting everyone in any way affected by the war or it's ramifications. Well, then Bush's illegal actions killed way more Americans than 9/11 and we're still counting. Furthermore, since the war was illegal to begin with, every Iraqi death for any reason related to the war is wrongful, illegal, immoral and adds to Bush's tally edging him ever so close to 1942 Germany. His grandfather, Prescott Bush, would be so proud.

Oh, and don't tell me to respect the soldiers. All American soldiers are trained to be racists from day one at basic training and kill due to this ingrained racism. Killing 'brown' people because they are 'brown' gains no respect from me. Please don't give me that crap about protecting me and sacrifice and all that BS. Imperialism is justified in many ways, making heroes of murderers is always the first step.

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I don't think we have saved any lives by torturing....if anything it strengthens the cause against us and may bolster their recruiting thereby ensuring more lives are lost

If people think this was the first time that America tortured people then they are delusional fools. During the Vietnam conflict Americans would bring in prisoners and turn them over to be tortured by the South Vietnamese. Al Qaeda suspects are turned over to Egypt for torture. Nazi and Japanese scientists guilty of war crimes were protected by the US in exchange for their cooperation in sharing there research including torture, chemical and biological warfare.

Its really a no win situation. If side A refuses to torture capture soldiers. Side B can say to their soldiers "Don't fear the enemy. If you are captured no harm will come to you." If side A does torture. Then side B simply says, "They are monsters. We must wipe them out."

I am not trying to defend anything that is happening in the current situation. But in the general history of war. There are very few countries, if any, that are not guilty of torture in the time of war. Especially countries in the middle east. Those guys have been torturing each other for the last 2,000+ years. Its not going to stop until all the fighting stops.

If they weren't extremist before torture , they will be after . This is the quickest way known to create more extremists and it spreads to family members too .

You aren't lying, and I'm sure that is probably how bush justified it to himself, it is still reprehensible

Say that if it happens to your mother, wife, sister, or child. Easy to talk from your armchair.

Ah, so every generation should just continue to be bystanders to moral injustice thus perpetuating hatred, war, and the erosion of all we are supposed to stand for. Gotcha.

Your in a fantasy if you think this country ever stood for anything else. The history they teach in school is bullshit we've always been doing it. Tuskegee airman? Japanese internments? Lynching? Just because middle class white people finally figured it out now we all supposed to go marching in the streets.

Exactly but worse. Killing their family members in an illegal war further increases recruitment. Calling people terrorists when they are defending themselves from the crimes of America also increases their recruitment.

No- just stay the way you are. Surely this country's future isn't worth doing anything about it, right? Just let the bastards continue to make a fool out of you and every generation that comes. Having a moral conscience is NO FANTASY and trying to explain the lack of it away by saying it has always been this way is irresponsible. And why the hell shouldn't young people especially be out in the streets? They used to be .They used to CARE. Nixon resigned primarily due to pressure from his own party. So it may always have "been this way" but at least there seems to have been more people with the moral courage to at least publicly condemn it! I am not wrong for caring about the law because it affects how my son may one day be treated! This isn't just about Bush!

Always been and always will. I try not to make war on my neighbors and havent tortured anyone in years. Maybe you should join up with shanklinmike he preaches about how in a few million years mankind will have evolved into a perfect libertarian society (no I am not making that up he really posted that too me).

"live like a King among us."

True statement aptly describing the dying spirit of America. Shameful.

You forgot the mantra that forgives all: "9/11 changed everything." I wonder where that would fall on Dave's bullshit meter.

Oh yes, 9/11 magically makes anything "legal."

^'d because of the first two sentences.

Exactly.

I also heard on Rachel Maddow last night the new majority Republicans want to open all kinds of investigations into the misdeeds of the Obama administration.

Sadly the Democrats just never seem to learn from history that bi-partisanship went out with Bill Clinton's second term.

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you suck current, why don't you just let the users remove the spam....we would actually get the job done.

you suck current, why don't you just let the users remove the spam....we would actually get the job done.

So then you'd be willing to go through it.

And when we previously prosecuted people for waterboarding, that was just random nonsense.

I wish I had a delusion meter, you would break it. And calling for adherence to law is not whining. But again, typical response from an apologist. By all means then please demonstrate it for us on film so we can be sure.

Are you sure about that? Pretty sure we put on trial and killed Japanese for water-boarding our troops during WWII.

Erich Muller, a huge denier of water boarding, accepted that it was indeed torture when it was performed on him.

Either get your facts straight, or stop trolling.

yeah, cause making somebody feel like they are going to drown....hundreds of times over and over is not torture

waitaminute... these are the same israelis that are selling this stuff in the mall! no wonder they wont let up!

Perfect summation of the Neocon mentality.

Glad I could help, now get out there and do something about it.

Wait, we both know that isn't going to happen. I just lol'd again.

why dont you? you love war so much, why arent you out there fighting? your eye makeup is running again. i keep telling you, we're leaving Britney alone.

I'll pass that along to my OSO when I finish my M.A.

I remember that insult from earlier! YOU'RE SO GODDAMN CLEVER!

see what i mean when i say the terrorists worked for the government/ military industrial complex?

Great post , jan . We cannot forget this monster - he should not get off so easy .

He already got off. All that had to be done was make the honorable guy who came next seem the same. Jan helped.

Oh no I didn't help. But those who did should go to hell too.

I so want to be put in the same room as this punk ass little bitch.

It is an unbelievable disgrace.