White House Gives In On Bush Tax Cuts
source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html
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That appears to be the only way, said David Axelrod, that middle-class taxpayers can keep their tax cuts, given the legislative and political realities facing Obama in the aftermath of last week's electoral defeat.
"We have to deal with the world as we find it," Axelrod said during an unusually candid and reflective 90-minute interview in his office, steps away from the Oval Office. "The world of what it takes to get this done."
"There are concerns," he added, that Congress will continue to kick the can down the road in the future by passing temporary extensions for the wealthy time and time again. "But I don't want to trade away security for the middle class in order to make that point."
It has been widely assumed that the president would have to accept an across-the-board deal of some kind, but Axelrod's remarks were the first public confirmation of that fact -- and by a figure regarded as closer to Obama than any other White House staffer.
Also dealing "with the world as we find it," Axelrod declined repeatedly to comment on any of the controversial debt-reduction measures suggested by the chairs of the president's own commission -- even those, such as raising the Social Security retirement age, that go against Obama campaign pledges and strike at the heart of Democratic constituencies.
He said that the White House would wait until the commission made its final recommendations on Dec. 1 before adding, "the president's commitments haven't changed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n...
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ChristopherX
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We all got duped, big time! We are making comparisons between Obama and Bush, but let's not forget the stupidity of "puts his foot in his mouth" Biden. Remember when we called Palin a dumb choice for a vice president, that was not too long ago my friends! I think i just realized there is no lesser of two evils, just plain evil..
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insaintity
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ChristopherX:
True power does not come from governments.
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http://www.demotivationalposters1.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/compromise-lets...
So much for voting for Obama again... talk about spineless.
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EmperorThan:
Obama looks like he has never been in a fight. How is a pussy supposed to have a spine.?
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kennymotown
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Here is a great article relating to the commission on debt that recently exposed the group as being very hard right politically. How can we actually grant an extensions of tax cuts for the wealthy when this right wing commission won't beef up tax receipts from the rich!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/12/opinion/12krugman.html?src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB
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kennymotown:
The rich were the economic driver of the early 20th century that no longer is that. They discovered they could increase their wealth by leaps and bounds by continuing the lie that said they were when in fact they were moving overseas for the cheap [child] laborers.
This fact has been exposed many times over already. Nike shoes comes to mind.
Making the world in their image a global marketplace where such a tremendous difference between Labor costs there and Sales Price here has multiplied their wealth to an astronomical place. They run the card game while we stand around the Spectators of Life [when not working 5 jobs, husband wife and even children].
We don't have a Life. We have a Work.
For me this holds little real no-value or importance since the Kingdom of God has already taken power and been coronated as of 1914 albeit to this day yet maintaining its invisible status waiting for His sheep to recognize his voice and come to him IN FAITH NOT BY SIGHT, a well known Bible principle. This Kingdom will be on the move soon, and visible.
Another principle in effect is how Satan twists and twists the world's populace into a knot til everyone screams and screams both blood AND bloody murder. He increases the strength of his twisting MORE AND MORE the closer Jesus comes to making that move, keeping everybody too "tied up" inside to investigate the truths of the Bible, and learn to have faith from knowledge, not just "believing" but KNOWLEDGE.
They are learning the lesson in cholera-beset Haiti right now. All men and women are being funneled and driven down a cattle chute to join Satan in his own slaughter time. He desires as many of you to join him in Davy Jones locker as he can possibly drain you down his toilet. Like being born, just into the grave, aborted unable to breathe.
Find something better to do with your time. What Obama is doing he will not be stopped from continuing to do. Such as the completely ILLEGAL ACT of displacing his own Vice-President Joseph Biden with a speech writer in violation of the ENTIRE AMERICAN SYSTEM INSTITUTED IN 1776. Joe Biden is illegally reduced to White House dishwasher and every man jack amongst you should realize what a vile and putrid White House is now in power.
You forgot the Gold => http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/article_01.htm#WhatDoestheBibleReallyTeach
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musicjohnny
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Axelrod has since said that they're going to keep fighting....
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musicjohnny:
When do they allow Joe Biden to say something like that (important)? Seems like the Vice-Presidency has been stolen and given to an un-elected individual.
On Obama's watch with Obama's blessing, the cup passed in open view.
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Gravity_Man
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Gravity_Man
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BJJ, Kool-Aid comes from schools. They were here long Before Jim Jones. They did their best to educate Barack Hussein Obama. Apparently they succeeded. He took 10 minutes to define JIHAD.
Somebody needs to incorporate Wikipedia University and end this foolishness while the skin is still on our teeth.
The tuition wouldn't be bankrupting the nation.
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Gravity_Man
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mik661
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Wrong. Huffington Post stirring the shit pot.
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Jake_Leonard
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I'm working on a candid letter to the president; what should I include?
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Jake_Leonard:
Thanks for all the fish.
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Egnatius212
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HAHA
. . .It's funny because it's a blatant lie. Good job Huff. post, keep on spinning.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/the_morning_plum_129.html - 1 year ago
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KSirys
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so much for change....
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moodyblue
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When I voted for Obama I thought I was helping to elect a fighter. Instead I got the towel boy. Obama is too eager to throw in the towel on things he should be fucking fighting for.
Dont get me wrong, Obama has done some good things but im tired of his constant catering to the right. - 1 year ago
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Mister_Lackner
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UPDATE: White House denies giving in on Bush tax cuts: The White House is sharply denying the Huffington Post story I noted below claiming that David Axelrod signaled a willingness to accept a temporary extension of all the Bush tax cuts, claiming that their position remains unchanged.
Axelrod emails:
There is not one bit of news here. I simply re-stated what POTUS and Robert have been saying. Our two strong principles are that we need to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, but we can't afford a permanent extension of the tax cuts for the wealthy.
More: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/the_morning_plum_129.html
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Mister_Lackner:
??? The Middle Class prides itself on pulling theirselves UP by their own boot straps. So you CAN'T give them a tax cut it would be a violation of every principle they hold to be evident, I mean dear. Middle classers would forfeit their Bragging Rights.
Do something SANE for once in your life. Buy more products made by the rich, thereby helping them out of their predicament, and when you buy more of their PRODUCTS it will lever them up into a position where they PAY MORE TAXES.
Hurt them, hurt them HARD => BUY MORE OF THEIR STUFF.
Drive the bloody monster backwards til his butt is in the campfire!
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Gravity_Man:
I can't tell what is satire anymore, because there really are people who believe stuff as stupid as that!
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UtopianSky:
hahahaha yeah, but ain't it cool? Travolta say. I must be starting to believe it myself after posting it I went out to 3 stores [looking for cheap food prices sshhh].
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noxidereus
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Not surprising. Add this to the list of reasons why I no longer Support Obama. Fuck the Democrats! This is just more proof that the corporations and the rich are in total control of both parties, and thus our country.
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Dagum
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It seems like the Republicans also elected a President during the 2010 elections cycle.
Obama is a craven coward with a spine of a jellyfish.
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I am disappointed, but I think this is the REAL reason behind the extension of the tax cuts for the rich:
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Incredulous:
one of the reasons
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Well, that about cinches it. I've had my suspicions since the start. Obama has done nothing but capitulate --on health care reform, continued raiding of medical marijuana facilities, don't ask don't tell, and so on. Now with this, I can only conclude Obama is a plant. He was a *selected* candidate, put in place by the establishment to present a facade of change to the left, while serving a a beating post for the right. Nothing more.
It's over folks. The America we were raised to believe in is completely gone. You got one decision now. Do you rev0lt or do you lie down and accept your subjugation?
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transfire:
This past Monday Rush Limbaugh was egging his listeners toward a takeover while Obama was on his overseas junket. I think the word for today class is SUBJUGATION. About the closest thing I've seen to a ""hero" is some guy driving around shooting at the Pentagon's walls and over in Arlington I think. He's as useless as that Collen_Thomas nut job chick "Reptilian" from the Pleiades.
We like to watch TV [while counting our lucky stars we aren't stomping our TV-watching day away barefoot in a rice paddy]. Listen, we are an aging population now and the young people are so under-nourished -and sick from being undernourished- and wore out from pushing themselves to work jobs while under~nourished, there just isn't any hope of anything happening in our favor.
We who have jobs would lose our Benefits!!!
Most of us don't even speak to neighbors we never meet!!!
Consider the US citizenry already defeated and you'll feel better for it. The "Alcoholic's Creed" => grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The toast is done friend. We are in the maze and no way out. Everybody in position to do something has been bought off with high salaries and retirement benefits out their ying-yangs.
The 1876 Militia had better. We today don't even have hoes, picks or pitchforks. We have iPods. Now sit back and maybe they'll make a mistake and fall from their own weight like Colossus of Rhodes. Enjoy watching Pharoah ride down between rows of great statues erected to his glory. Statues that hold harps.....
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oh so now the spammers are commenting....you don't get it do you? We don't want the crap you are peddling, and we don't want your ads on this site. Go away.
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Nephwrack
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if corporations are to be treated as persons they should be held responsible as persons, and be subject to the same penalties as the poorest of us. namely, the death penalty! if a corporation does some horrible crime they should be disbanded!
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Nephwrack:
Can you imagine how lightly corporations would tread if they were subject to the death penalty in the sense that everyone involved would face the death penalty? Hardly anybody running or working in a corporation would every fuck around with risky investments just because there is a slim chance that it might pay off.
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Varex_Sythe:
not talking about that but i mean it figuratively. as in the corporation gets scrapped.
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Nephwrack:
I figured as much. I just thought it would be amusing to take creative license, even if it was extreme.
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Nephwrack:
China does it... don't know why the US is behind the ball...
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I have a question. With the Republican back on power, what would happen if the Bush era tax cuts were allowed to expire and new tax cuts, presumably for the middle and lower class of the United States, were to be pushed through by the presidential administration?
FYI, I'm not trying to defend Obama or his administration for continuing these tax cuts. I am actually curious as to what potential road blocks they could realistically face if they decided to implement a new tax break for people who actually needed it.
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Varex_Sythe:
The Republicans would do everything in their power to prevent the Obama administration from accomplishing anything that could possibly give him a PR boost.
The Republicans would gladly drive this nation into a depression as long as it's done during a Democratic administration.
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I will gladly pay more taxes, to drag down the rich with me.
I would gladly give more money to the gov't...if they FOR ONCE would make those rich selfish asshole pay their fair share. - 1 year ago
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mitekillem:
Excerpt from an article in Yahoo Finance, April 2010:
"About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.
Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file: That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.
In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax cuts enacted in the past decade have been generous to wealthy taxpayers, too, making them a target for President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress. Less noticed were tax cuts for low- and middle-income families, which were expanded when Obama signed the massive economic recovery package last year.
The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners -- households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 -- paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government."
Who's not paying what now?
Let's also take a moment to think about this. Why would a nation want to heavily tax it's most productive individuals? Don't forget that these are the people who take risks with their capitol to produce enterprise, which provides jobs. What do you think is going to happen if you take away more of their money? If you only earn a percentage of every dollar you make, are you going to be more or less likely to take risks with your capitol?
Besides the fact that they are already paying more than their fair share, you also have to take into account that these people aren't stupid. If you increase their taxes, they WILL find ways around it, that can easily be shown. Don't delude yourself into thinking that if you raise their taxes even higher than they already are, that they won't buy their way out of it, or simply run for the border, because I can guarantee you they will. And this isn't even touching on the even bigger moral issues that arise from such a suggestion.
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mindcruzer:
Who said anything about heavily taxing our most "productive" individuals?
You have a rather naive view of the wealthy.
Exactly how "productive" do you think Paris Hilton is anyway?How about Christy Walton, widow of Sam Walton's (WalMart) son.
She is the #4 wealthiest person in the country, at $24 billion dollars.
Her "productivity" was limited to picking the right man to marry.
His "productivity" was picking the right father to be born to.And even for the wealthy who are self-made, this is not the era of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. To claim that these individuals are "productive" to the tune of tens of billions of dollars is insulting to people who break their backs for ten dollars an hour. Wealth has very little to do with being "productive".
And yes, the rich DO constantly find loopholes to get out of paying taxes- that is why it's important to close those loopholes AND raise their tax rates so what little they do pay is more fair.
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UtopianSky:
You're hopeless Utopian.
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mindcruzer:
If your hope was that I become a brainwashed Libertarian instead of someone who knows how to think for myself, than I'm glad your hopes will not be fulfilled.
I hope that you can learn to think about your beliefs objectively and realize when it's time to grow out of them.
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If this happens , it's a blow to progressives and the middle class.
How can any reasonable person think this can help reduce the deficet, when it has shown to increase every year?
The progressives need to signal an end to the wealthy and elite that truly control this country.......cause the middle class cons (a contradiction to the middle class) are too fucking stupid to figure out whats happening!!!
How the hell are they going to make up for the 5 trillion dollar per 5 year deficit this will create?
Don't you cons understand that your handlers want the country to be buried in debt so they can take away your social security and Medicare?
All i know is that at some point the pendulum will swing back and it will hurt.
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navider:
an end to these cuts would end the deficit in something like 2 years!
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Nephwrack:
I know!!!!
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methinks that the economy is still shitty, but the wealthy will be spending big for their spoiled children this holiday season, now that they're a little easier off with their fucking taxes!
disappointment and frustration fills the air space of those who wanted change... FUUCCKK man!!!
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1. Let's take away the "personhood" of multinational corporations.
2. Let's raise the price of cigarettes to $200 a pack (using the new found revenue to fund smaller, community-based economies), raise gasoline to $100 a gallon and see what the people can do with all that extra money and energy.
Q: Why elect other people to do the things we ought to do for ourselves and our communities?
A: So we can stuff our ears with ipods, our eyes with organized sporting events, and continue sending off our youngest & most able to die in ironic wars, for the benefit of the wealthiest class.
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I'm glad I worked so hard on the campaign to get you in office to do the exact opposite of this. fuck it i quit.
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emarston:
Don't quit, that's what the otherside wants us to do. This is when we have to fight the hardest, you see our side believes in people and country first pockets 2nd.
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Oh thank god. Now I don't have to explain to my dog why he can't have that Gucci collar and matching leash he's always wanted. Merry Christmas to all!
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this shit is gonna get ugly. and soon. once the military (which is mostly made up of the poor) and the rest of the poor realize that we're all fucked, i'd hate to be a politician, or one of the rich.
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Nephwrack:
Viva la revolution?
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Nephwrack:
Merci! I finally have an excuse to purchase that guillotine on E-bay!
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Nephwrack:
Okay, keyboard warrior. laugh out fucking loud
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!!!!!
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dwb2585:
Yeah, Obama and GW are so alike...
You aren't really paying attention are you? - 1 year ago
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notrepublican:
huh, apparently I pay more attention than YOU but the bar is not set too high.
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Why is Axelrod performing the duties of a Vice-President?
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Gravity_Man:
because joe biteme is a useless VP.
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No. Bush corrupted the White House by giving Karl Rove enormous-and unconstitutional- powers to influence US History WITHOUT HAVING BEEN CONSTITUTIONALLY CHOSEN AND SELECTED TO DO SO BY THE AMERICAN VOTER.
An elected President -beginning with George Bush- has instituted a change to the US Constitution, by the process of post-Election personally choosing a new Vice-President person. So Joe Biden BECAME a non-person, was MADE a non-VP, was MADE to be biteme useless by the process begun by George Walker Bush.
The Election Process has been altered WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.
The Election Process has been altered WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.
The Election Process has been altered WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.Karl Rove appears to be the pivot point. Such people used to be Speech writers. Rove went visible whereas speech writers stayed invisible for decades. So Axelrod essentially knows more what's going down than Joe Biden... which means Axelrod holds a position higher than the elected Vice-President.
The US Government no longer exists by the laws it's bound by.
Was bound by. This present government is an impostor.
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Gravity_Man:
So because of all that I wrote in the above post nothing -NOTHING- this Obama administration does surprises me. I will add this though, that cutting back Soc. Sec. benefits and raising the retirement age could be a good way to gain backwards momentum (and $$$) to help the lower economic strata (young families), so that wouldn't be entirely devoid of rhyme and reason.
What America needs now is a brand new energy technology that produces absolutely no pollution, something that would give the US a ground floor opportunity, a first punch at the ring starting bell to run out into the middle of the ring and floor every boxer in the world (other countries who now appear to have the upper hand).
America needs the Equalizer. Point of fact though is that America already has many such equalizers hoarded in the eagle's wings it still brags about being. Why this is being done I am not knowing, just that it is. We can put the giant Russian boxer or the Chinese Sumo wrestler flat on their back any time we want.
I am at a loss as to why Obama is holding back doing so...... If I wanted King Lear by God I'd go see the play.
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"cutting back Soc. Sec. benefits and raising the retirement age could be a good way to gain backwards momentum (and $$$) to help the lower economic strata (young families), so that wouldn't be entirely devoid of rhyme and reason."
NO! I am damn sick and tired of the poor and middle class paying for everything that needs to change in this nation. Fuck the god-damned wealthy bastards who don't want to give in on tax cuts they never should have been given in the first place.
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current, if you dont fix this spam shit Im never coming here again
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Ryan_Todd:
Don't let the terrorists win! lol
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Ryan_Todd:
reddit FTW
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Ryan_Todd:
you promise?
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ok how about we dont do the tax cuts and get 700 billion dollars a year instead? hows that sound?
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Nephwrack:
fanfuckingtastic...why don't we legalize it while we are at it?
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Nephwrack:
How about cutting the 50 billion a YEAR subsidy for big oil ? Bring the troops home to save the rest of the budget !!!!
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xdfgfdgf:
Oh boy free shopping
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does it come in pink?
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qdqqd:
I bet you like cream of sumyunguy don't you?
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if i had a majority for one day, i would pass everything I wanted and let the next congress deal with the repurcussions.
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What treachery. You are no leader Obama. My son thanks you for leaving this on his generation's shoulders.
"[The natural right to be free of the debts of a previous generation is] a salutary curb on the spirit of war and indebtment, which, since the modern theory of the perpetuation of debt, has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:272
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JanforGore:
i think this is the final straw. 700 billion a year that we could be making, but naa, let's just keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. fuck you obama.
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JanforGore:
Well make sure your son has at least two jobs and one under the table so He can put food on his own table.
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Nephwrack:
How about cut spending by 700 billion instead of taking from other people.
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oppressed1:
oh you musst be in the top 1 %... are you fucking kidding me? pay your fucking share like the rest of us do!
- 1 year ago
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Nephwrack
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JanforGore
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bailey78:
Unfortunate, but true. But we shouldn't have to kill ourselves and miss out on LIFE just to make enough to have a crust of bread to eat. And in this case much of what he would make would go back to pay for this anyway. I can absolutely understand why young people would not want to vote. They feel hopeless and this is a good reason why. They came out in DROVES for Obama when he was courting them for their vote and look what they got.
- 1 year ago
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JanforGore
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bailey78
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JanforGore:
Yep a great big hand full of same Ol same Ol
- 1 year ago
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bailey78
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oppressed1
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Nephwrack:
You dont pay taxes when you make under about 40k a year. So how is that fair.?
- 1 year ago
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oppressed1