Helen Thomas: Reminding America that no criticism of Israel is allowed

helen is an old wrinkled up piece of rotting offal. her opinion in the world of politics has always been as irrelevant. she should have been booted out of the press corp decades ago

right on

yeah a free pass.no one ever attacks them at all.they never are subject t terrorism, or military intrusion, or demonizing media campaigns.you are soooo right, they never get attacked for anything.free pass israel is suuure accurate.

have ya heard of the united nations? if so i suggest you check out thier voting record in relation to israel.thats just wrong.

Or Jew hating cockroaches

flies to shit, and it goes both ways.
ya wouldnt have any zionist speak if no antisemitism were present for it to counter.

That's not true. YOUR knowledge of the world, crystalman, is blind patriotism of the USA (fascism) plus blind worship of Israel (fascism). Those two together equal American Conservatism.

you have no idea what fascism really is. One tip though. Look in the mirror.

israel, the only country in the middle east that cherishes life. the rest are death worshipers just like the american left

find yemen or qatar to be a free place?
ya like the suadi policies enforced with virtue police?
how many israeli protest happen, and how many "neda" equivilants does israel have?

seems like your paring down facist states to just israel is void of a full scope at best, and ignorant of the unfettered freedom israeli citizens enjoy.up to and including its christian and muslim citizens, wich is a distinction to the west.uncommon amongst the rest of the world.

how is israel facist and we arent?
just curious cuz they actualy have more freedom than we do, so im just wondering how this works?

Actually, when I referred to blind patriotism, I was **referring to** blind patriotism of the USA as being fascism.

you do realize that the terror elements of the middle east are the conservative side of the spectrum.liberal muslims do things like make rap records, its the conservatives who are compelled to behead.

la' chaim!

Right On!

well done my friend glad you posted this but I'll bet the Islam loving liberals won't get the point!

This video is so ridiculous.

It's premise revolves around Israel being the center of the entire Middle East and that other nations must submit to its will.

Newsflash, Israel was only created in 1948, illegally by the way and under threats, coercion, blackmail and terrorism by fanatical Zionists Jews from Russia, Poland and America.

Other Semitic populations have existed in the Middle East for centuries, thousands of years, yet the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST must bend to the will of a small hostile group of elitists Zionist Jews?

Dennis Prager is outrageous!

amazing how acute your propaganda reflex can be when your personal bias isnt at play huh?

israel was created the same way every nation was created, military conquest.a big distinction is though, that i dont know of any other nation sharing is, israel tried to create itself passively first for decades before being driven to war.
yeah i love the idea that these same jews who couldnt organize enough to not be victims of a genocide, some how in three years got all they needed to overthrow the palestinians.they couldnt protect themselves from the nazis, and for decades after were still getting thier ass's kicked by the soviets but some how could also overthrow the palestinians and create a country.

if they could do that, wouldnt they have taken germany.being as the german military didnt exist thanks to us and the soviets?

the bulk of the forces who served to create israel in 48, were arabs.half a million european jews made the trip, while the rest of the israeli population was comprised of thier arab brothers who had been driven to the sea, and at the end fought back.but hey, why acknowledge them when trying to paint the picture of european colonialism.

truth is so elusive

LOL God, the real estate agent?

Gosh, the persecuted victim meme is strong today. "Driven into the sea", "victims of genocide" "ass kicked by the Soviets"

No wonder there is so much confusion in the US regarding the Middle East conflict. I think I prefer Prager's reasoning over freecrack and congoboy's reasoning. At least with Prager I can just cut straight through his bs, but with these guys you get all other kinds of nonsense.

pretty much, plus we got it wholesale!

nice, fight bullshit, with more bullshit.
way to go.

its the anti-zionist antisemitic crack pots on the left that need to wise up. israel is the only voice of reason and sanity in the middle east.

kuwait gets threatened by saddam and we step in to save them, but the israelis who we never lifted a finger to help despite being under constent attack own us?
when we stick our noses in middle east affairs, we dont let israel play in our riendeer games yet some how israel owns us?
of all of our debt, none of it is to israel, yet israel owns us?
we are slaves to oil wich israel has none, yet we are owned by them?
while israel has the best military in the world, it is built upon the armorments we sell them, yet they own us?

complete and total bullshit based on nothing.

Indeed.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל‎ Eretz Yisrael) refers to the land in the southern Levant which the Jewish people have since Biblical times regarded as their God-given homeland. Over 3,500 years ago, according to the Bible, the land was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac[1] and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham's grandson. This land forms part of the Biblical covenant between God and the Jewish people. The most precise geographical borders of the promised land are given in Exodus 23:31, which describes the borders as the Red Sea, the "Sea of the Philistines" i.e. the Mediterranean, and the "River" (the Euphrates). References to the land of Israel are also made in the New Testament, for example in Matthew 2:19-21. The actual political boundaries of the land have fluctuated from time to time and the land has been referred to by other names over time. At its maximum extent, during the height of David's united Kingdom of Israel,[2][3] it corresponded approximately to present-day Israel, the Palestinian territories, the western part of Jordan and the southern part of Lebanon; at other times it embraced only the area around Jerusalem.

There is no god who gives land to one exclusive group....that is why those people are hated...because every person who lives in the reality of the world...not in the fantasies of some ethnic group...knows that it is simply arrogance and a call to war to declare such nonsense. Every single square inch of this planet belongs to ALL OF US.

Oh and also that ancient document is not a land title.

i'll take gods word over a land title anytime, wont even ask him to shake on it. if the world followed the true word of god we'd be in a much better place. and we'll include gays, except the marriage thingy

its a jealousy thing. god liked (likes) us better. isnt jealousy one of the 7 deadly sins? and no, i believe that little apartment or house of yours is all you get, plus youre free to decorate to your hearts content!

If you believe in Gods word any day...then mull over the scriptures I posted for you above. Or are you going to be true to your motis operandi and completely gloss over the fact that your own bible is telling you something you don't want to hear and completely ignore?

you mean mankinds distortion of gods intended message in the book of bejeebus

those people are hated because "big picture" explnations of events trump nuance.those people are actualy zionist, but it is jews who end up paying for it.
those people by the way are all at war with one another as those people all think they each have the same supreme claim.from christian crusades, to muslim invasions to zionism.

islam, christianity, and judaism as a whole are the victims.

the thing is though, the opposition to israel is by those who belive the land is thiers based on the same thing.the same dome of the rock holy land bullshit, making who right?

you have just officialy stepped past religious stupidy into complete absurd insanity.
maybe god chose us to recieve the torah not for love, but our excellent organization skills.or maybe we simply serve as gods stenographers.
he loves us more is just sooo retarded.

The innocent people are always the ones who pay the price when their faith is appropriated for political reasons.

That is why the whole thing needs to be declared a world heritage site and it belongs to the whole world and not just to Israel or Palestine or anyone group in particular.

and that interlude was brought to you by foolish optomism.
now back to our regularly scheduled self rightious faith based oppression.

lemme know when the religious intergrate reasoned thought, and ill be first in line to vote that the holy land becomes public property.but until then, we are stuck with the reality that the only reasonable solution (aside from sewing salt into the earth there) is unavailable

dude, you take life way too seriously. of course god loves all his little children, well at least those that follow the rules. those rules are of course interpreted differently by different religions and cultures. but the truth is the same until its bastardized by those in human form for political or material gain. god didnt really have too many folks to rely on back in the day as we were all pegans. but a few tribes came forward to ascribe by his laws, (some of the time) and those first folks, at least in our recorded history were what became the jews. so initially at that particular time in history, we were his chosen people. man times change!

i dont take life seriously at all, but antisemitism i do very much.and when you publicly post such ideas like "god loves us more" you are feeding an already existing,functioning, and proliferating strain of jew hatred wether you intend to or not.
antisemites cant get enough of stating how we are wrong, because we arrogantly act as if being the chosen people is some sort of divine entitlement.a complete distortion of what chosen means used to our degredation, and you as a publicaly professed jew stating it, solidifies it for them.

ya know how we(americans) like to excuse our racism and validate it as realisitic judgement of events pertaining to islam, cuz they dont tend to thier religious backyard.well im tending to ours.
you have the right to say what ever rediculous shit you like, from needling rape victims to calling muslims ragheads.rest assured though when you venture to represent my faith, in particular the "chosen" element ill be right up your ass.
i let the retarded third grade cheap jokes go, as even a moron can see it holds no substance.
but when you drag our collective good name through the mud, im gunna do exactly that wich you expect of islam.
clear our name from the bullshit of others.

mock yourself or me, all day for all i care, but dont u dare use our ancestry for that.

well i wouldnt call it dragging anything through the mud. anti-semites and jew haters are what they are and until we circumcise them all like the good lord intended they always will be. you are free to call my shit anytime but you cant reason with anyone that hateful, why do you think after thousands of years muslims still refuse to get along with us, not to mention anyone else outside their narrow scope of whats right? my taunts at the "jew haters" may rile them up, but their ignorant, racist, bigoted words rile me up. so i feel my jabs are justified and they can go right on hating, its their soul not mine.

So male genital mutilation was ordered by god?

WTF you people need help

think of the end game.
despite your love of junior high antics, we know you arent stupid and you can deduce.

what happens when the libels of the hatefull are proven true by those they hate.
just as every jihadi in his/her efforts serves to further fuck the image of islam, what does arrogantly stating supremecy based on being the chosen people do to jews?

being as the hatefull are so as a result of ignorance, every play you make that proves thier bullshit is a win on thier side of things.
if they say we kill thier kids to make matzoh, and you hunt thier kids, they win.
they do claim some bastardized "chosen" libel that supposes they are not the agressor, but we are by claiming being chosen.when you do it, you prove them right.then the ignorant who already have a headfull of erronious ideas, now can check off another in a liteny of libels that have proven true.
amongst the list of absurd accusations from we are running the government, to we have horns, each verifiable libel makes the others seem possible.it isnt as if an antisemite is going to think "yeah they rule the government, but the chosen libel is a bridge too far".

you do you.
and ill do me.just letting you know where i stand, and its not personal.you throw out,validate,or support libels, just like i do to anyone else ill be up your ass about it.

yeah we need help.
our laws from 5 thousand years ago turned out in the end to be the healthy appropriate thing to do, and it is the jews who need help.
granted coming to the conclusion that snipping the tip is a twisted train of thought, but being as it is what is sanitary, it doesnt really represent a sickness.

if anything it is those who still dont curcumsize who need the help, as they are the dirty cocks, keeping yeast infections alive.

and im betting you havent noticed that the food standards we hold to be representative of a sanitary evolution in food preperation, allign with being kosher.
i guess we need help on that too, as we figured out not to eat animals that play in thier own feces thousands of years before the rest huh?

but its about israeli policy right, not jews for you?

Are uncircumcised men are antisemites lol

And what the hell does this have to do with antisemitism and Helen Thomas?

Are uncircumcised men are antisemites lol

no, but your premise suggested jews need help, alluding to psycological help for the practic of circumcising.wich has turned out to be appropriate from a health stand point.so if in this regard of curcumcising, the procircumcise side turned out to be the right side of behaviors, and the anticircumcised side are in need of help, as they are wrong.less healthy.i never really understood why or how exactly that is, but thats our national policy.not exclusive to a bris anymore.

well making the claim that jews need help for doing what is standard practice is minor antisemitism i guess, but i didnt start with the penis talk.all on your side in this one between us.you found a behavior that is standard to be a negative and related that to jews.so the pattern seems to continue.it isnt a ment illness for a goyum to circumcise, but jews need help (are wrong) for doing the same.it falls under disproportionalism if ya really want to dig into it.

but more over it just shows how no oportunity to talk shit about jews can you pass up.
20 bucks says your shmeckle is trimmed, and if you have kids will circumcise them.not personaly i dont suggest.making it just all about taking a crack at the jews, any way it comes.if ya cant make it zionism,or israel,or jewish nationalism,or human rights,or espionage, you will settle for attacking us on the genitle front.

holy shit, by attacking judaism via thier genitles,you literaly just kicked jews in the nuts in written form.the literary equivilent.

I didn't say that "the jews" need help, I was talking specifically about you congoboy and crystalmann

I hadn't checked this thread in a few days and all of the sudden there is phallic worship going on in my post about Helen Thomas. You guys' posts collectively read like the ramblings of madmen.

hey lets get something straight.
i dont need congo or crystalman to look like a madman.i do just fine on my own, i neednt thier help.

and i personaly dont have a clue how our shmekles play into anything.but congo wanted to talk penis.

something like that. he wanted us to have clean dick and superior orgasms on top of everything else he promised us

really, you give maasanova way too much power and credit. he is incapable of existing in any realm of reality. i dont need to give him any extra reason to hate jews, hes so demented he'll make shit up. he is a powerless, uneducated, ignorant, stupid pussy. if i were holding conversation with a sane person with the ability to reason and think rationally i would temper my conversation to suit the occasion. as far as maasanova is concerned he is an irrational idiotic racist bigot who's own mother wont listen to him. pity the stupid fuck. he'll make up his own antisemitic trash as is his way. i dont even think the jihadists would take him in.

it isnt about massanova, he is just the flavor of the day.it used to be worldpeacetv, then it was zichiman, and now its him.tomorrow some one else will take the position of spreading hatred of us via the protocals of the elders of zion.
it is the message than matters, not the person who is spreading it.i dont imagine for a second that massanova will be swayed by anything i say, as reasoned thought is not his function.

its about placing a counterance of antisemitism, where ever antisemitism is espuosed.its not about his agenda, or mine being met,but insuring that the mass's that can be manipulated have both sides of an argument to evaluate, and hate speech exposed for what it is.

i personaly dont care that some are miseducated as to what "chosen" means, anymore than i would care if they understood algebra or anything else really.but being as i is an element at play in a larger picture in how we are demonized, it needs to be countered.not for massanova or any of the hatefull, but the passer by who doesnt know whats up.imagine how different our history would have been had every time hitler gave his bar room speech's (wich are this same identical narrative) were met with equal opposition.imagine if the multitudes of reasonable people, who through out history has been made to believe we are dangerous because of who we are not what we have done, had the other side of the perspective.

its all fun ad games till some one loses an eye.well in this game its all fun and games until the antisemites lose us our rights.when the zionists of europe were discussing where the home land should be, the jews of germany ironicaly responded "berlin is the new israel".how did that level of comfort work out?unfortunately the left is the home of antisemitism, as literaly no one takes neo-nazis seriously.and it is a form that is subtle and effective.you dont need to fight the fight.its not your job (or mine for that matter) but when it pops up, wether from the massanovas of the world, or from fellow heebs like chomsky, i will not tolerate.

islam is on the chopping block, not us at the moment.but i dont care to wait till shit gets real bad, yet again, before i put an effort forth to stop it.

"Ignorant stupid pussy?"

And now you're bringing in my mother, who allegedly doesn't listen to me?

Hmm... Freud much?

It was you who brought up PHALLIC WORSHIP in MY Helen Thomas thread...not me! So please don't spew your hatred on me because you worship the phallus.

Antisemitism, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. Nazi Nazi Nazi...yawn...eternal victim complex yawn...

I'm bored of it and quite over it and YOU'RE the one admitting that your posts are the ramblings of a madman, along with congoboy and his sidekick.

How many Holocaust museums are there compared to Bolshevik murder museums?

since youre a big dick i will acquiesce.

zionism, israel,israel,israel. jew,jew,jew,...yawn...eternal victim complex inhe face of literaly zero threat....yawn.

im sorry you didnt see the tongue in cheeck humor of calling myself a madman.maybe its a unique strain of humor found in jewish culture only, or maybe you just lack depth.but when you insult some one, and that some ones defense is not of the accusation itself, but secondary elements (in this case association) its a means of being silly.kind of like when some says "hey i resemble that remark".self depricating humor, look into it.

being as the written form doesnt avail us of tone, is your last statement a joke as well? like in an ironic way? cuz your opening statement seems to find such matters boring, and you state your over it, yet you then invoke it.yes the russians killed more than 5 times what the germans did in regards to jews, and..................................

if you dont care to hear about hitler,nazism,antisemitism then you shouldnt really repeatedly ask for it, by discussing such matters in a public,open forum.make your mission lets say cancer research, and you will find no mention of the fore mentioned stuff.keep obsessing on zionism like a tinfoil hat wearing freak, and you are spinning the very web that catches this stuff.

its the responsability that is free speech.you get to say what ever dumb shit you like, but so does everyone else, equaly.be silent and no response will exist.the ball is entirely in your court, as we dont seek you out for conversation.well crystal might, as he is a bit ravenous.

well look who dropped the silly, and did thier homework.
just a point, not an argument.
70 million jews existed in russia in the early 1900's.just worth a mention, as russias population is so huge, 5 percent seems small, but it is millions.

I was mostly responding to congoboy just calling me silly names and the KSirys big upping him for it (WTF?)

I actually did see your humor and I did appreciate it freecrack! I am used to your ramblings, but when combined with congoyboy's religious rantings, it fried a few circuts in my brain. First of all I though that he wasn't Jewish, and then who knew he was religious on top of that?

I just don't understand why we can't have a conversation here without bringing up Nazis, Hitler, and without delving into the "endless victim complex."

as far as congo or ksiryis go, obviously i ant speak on thier behalf.but objectively it seems to me that you are starting to aquire the same criticism from those not passionate about this subject matter, that is of the same nature as those who are passioante about this.in short, of course mgunna be on your ass, as you are directly in my field of interest.congo and crystalman are the flip side of your hate speech coin.but you have been aquiring scorn (subtle, but still there none the less) from other comunity members.ya got rodshar calling some of your stuff antisemitic, and he is pro-palestinian, as well as ksirys voting up some one he has called a troll, as opposition to your ramblings.you can discount our input as clearly biased, as with out a dout crystalman,congo,and myself are, but ya gotta start questioning the validity of your efforts, when the passer by calls you out, or advocates for your opposition.

congo has a talent for clouding issues, and causing matters to derail.ive been there, and am sorry he got you too.its annoying, but ya gotta give him credit.it is a talent.i mean aypis is easy to beat up or ignore, congo goes the distance in absurdity.
wether or not congo is jewish, ultimately doesnt matter as opinion is opinion regardless.shit most of the open jews on here are anti-israel, so no real pattern relating to judaism exists.congo claims judaism, but it is highly suspect based on the shit he posts.he is definitely not all too religious, that i can assure you.

you cant have it both ways.you cant bring up zionist history, and skip the holocaust.ya cant espouse a narrative made famouse by the nazis, and then expect to not have that noticed as they are the paramount evil universely recognized.i dont know about anyone else, but i dont bring up the nazi party in relation to your posts to play a victim card.i bring it up to show how the accusations you lay at the feet of zionism, paralel that of what the nazis did.not to play a victim card for jews, but to show how the seeds of what was horrible, regardless of who it happened to, are still being planted under the guise of political commentary, or news.

the victim card if anything is really being played by you.go through your comments, or submissions, and count how many pose the notion that all of us are being victimized by the zionists,israelis,or jews.roughly speaking you are at about 75% posing you, and us as a collective as victims of the sinister zionists, and 25% demonization of either israel or jews.(speaking in terms of post relating to this subject matter, not including your posts about the economy or what ever else)

70 million Jews in Russia? What the hell are you on man? That would have been more than half of the total population of Russia at that time!

Based on a quick search, there were about 3-5 million Jews in Russia at that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_comparisons

i honestly believe you are not a true antisemite, if you were you would hate islam too, and be incapable of restraining yourself from wanton demonization of jews wich you do not do.

i do however think you have been manipulated by media posing as journalism that is basd in antisemitism, and think you are serving justice, not knowing that you are doing the opposite.
and you really cant be blamed for it either.if you dont know the mechanics upon wich antisemitism functions, you wouldnt know the difference from journalism, and libels.especialy if you arent jewish, and dont know first hand of jewish teachings.
if you dont know the history of yiddish, you wouldnt know how "goyum" and other such terms are used.if you dont know the function and purpose of the talmud, many of its passages could seem offensive on religious level.

your ignorance (not an insult, but a status we all suffer from depending on subject matter) is being exploited.if you are an anylitical thinker, at some point in your life, just like skinheads, you will realize how much of wat you think is secret truth, is bullshit.nothing i can say or do will speed that up, or even effect it.it is a matter of negotiating your heart with your mind.but until then, as i take issue with hate speech, regardless of who it is aimed at, when i see "the protocals" put into action again i will point it out.cuz i know that strain, and what can happen when it is left unquestioned.just as i attack when some one claims islam=terrorism as that is also a line of bllshit i can recognize.thier is probably more hate speech out there about jews,or muslims, or blacks or whom ever that i dont have the ability to recognize.but the stuff i do see, im gunna attack.

wether its from your keyboard, or some one elses.it isnt you, but the substance of what you post.

Can't play the video here, but I may look into it later.

Is your post about ksiryis and rodshar agreeing with your silly and childish name-callign supposed to make me feel ashamed?

Perhaps stop posting about issues related towards Israel and Zionism? Or maybe stop posting at Current altogether?

I don't seem to follow where you are going with all of this...

You're really good at claiming that I am attacking Judaism and charging me with antisemitic beliefs instead of debating the real issues here, which is Helen Thomas proving that you can't speak critically about Israel or Jewish issues or you'll have a hostile people in the media calling for your job.

I already caught you in one lie here which you called a typo (5% of 7 million by my math doesn't equal "millions") why are you going to keep lying by saying I am always attacking Judaism?

its a long vid, and smacks of propaganda.but its still a good jumping off point.

you are so defensive, and probably rightfully so as this topic is brimming with passion and shit gets heated.but dont take it personal.step back and look at it objectively.im not trying to shame you.for what its worth shame is something i dont even really believe one can place upon another, it can truly only be self imposed.im just throwing you stats.the numbers of people who think your antizionist stuff is garbage we will never know.but when people on the vanguard of this issue, as well as people who are on your perverbial side against israel are compelled to post comments against yours, it says something about the nature of what your posting.maybe we are all mad, and only you get it.but most likely, in all reality, they serve as a call for you to evaluate your position.

not really "going" any where with it, i dont think.im just stating what seems logical to me.
ya cant talk terrorism these days without islam getting acknowledged.ya cant talk racism in our country without the kkk getting called into it.and ya cant talk about iraeli zionism without jews being brought into it.and ya cant espouse narratives that are identical to those of nazi germany, and not expect the antisemitism card to get played.

not leading towards a greater idea, or concept but stating matters as i see/understand them.matters that it seems you have over looked.

who doing the obfuscation now?
arguments that disprove the premise that helen thomas represents an infringement on free speech are on this thread, as well as all the other helen thomas threads that suppose the same.i dont recall if they were all you or not, but this line of discussion is well covered terrain that i have shown (without being proven wrong) to be untrue.ill take the conversation where ever you want to take it, but i have yet to gloss over the allegations at hand.scroll up if you like, its all there for ya.

you do attack judaism.i not only claim it, but cite it.i call it out as you do it, each and every time i see it.i point out how, and explain it in detail.ive even gone so far as to chronical it in catagories for you on a thread (i dont recall wich at this point), wich im not doing again if you arent going to be bothered to evaluate it.we have gone over the antisemitic propaganda pic you posted that demonizes zionism as a threat to the united states with the association of the star of david.you posted a thread not too long ago calling jewish nationalism evil, or some such shit, while ignoring all other forms of nationalism.the majority of wich are far more worthy of condemnation by any standard.the list goes on, and im sure in future it will continue as you show no signs of acknowledging your errors.just blanket dismissals of my accusations without any counter points.

i point out the bias, and you just say im playing the victim card.
i point out the links between your libels and those of nazis, and you dismiss them as im just harping on you.ironicaly playing the victim card yourself, when you know full well im not tailing you as im not on your non-zionist posts.

even in this very comment i am responding to, instead of showing how you are offering objective criticism, not antisemitism, you just skip to calling me a liar.

as far as the typo goes, do you really think i would lie about something that takes a 10 second google search to disprove? in real life i wouldnt do this, no less on the very nternet that could disprove this.i am not a liar, and if anything am brutaly honest to a fault.i may be wrong, and when educated to that i learn.but calling me a liar is just retarded.but please keep it up, as your end in this just looks petty.wich works for me, it saves me the effort.

here is my initial response to the subject matter at hand on this thread, that you suppose i refuse to adress.its odd you would state that on the very thread i adressed it on, and you responded to.in case your scolling ability is some how handicapped, here it is for your consumption again.and if your scrolling ability is intact, you will notice the deviation from helen thomas was dont by you, in favor of talking about a radio station incident rather than helen.not my switch, but yours.ill go where you take it.but ya cant pin the topic swerving on me.

no helen thomas got nailed for talking out of her ass.
forget any partisan feelings on the matter, and just by basic reason she bashed.
she suggested that people who were born in israel move to europe, becuase it was wrong of people who were born in europe to move to israel.
she advocated the act she was simultaniously suggesting.

she wasnt criticizing israel as a government, but as an entire people.she was advocating that they do to europe now, what they did to palestine then.
its just retarded.thats it.

if no criticism of israel is allowed, wouldnt massanova be in jail relatively speaking?
wouldnt cnn not exist?
woulnd current, who if you search "israel" is littered with israel bashing stories be not allowed?
not to mention all the source from wich the "current" stories are born from?

wah-wah-wah-no one hates the jews the way i want them to.wanna whinekin with those french cries?

Me posting a picture of real hatemongers juxtaposed over a Star of David is a very questionable charge of an attack on Judaism especially since all of the "hatemongers" were media politcal figures, not religious ones.

And the Star of David can be identified in a political context as well as religious context, and it further demonstrates that the context of the picture is political rather than religious.

And furthermore, the Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism was not my analysis, but the analysis of Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

Also, in that analysis, he is referring to Jewish Nationalism with regards to the political ideology known as Zionism, not the religious dogma known as Judaism. Here's a link to the arrticle. Anyone who wants to can do a key word search for "religion" or "Judaism" and see that they yield no results.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2010/03/zionism-unmasked-the-dark-face-of-jewi...

The article was about the politics of Israel and Zionism, NOT about religion, and the mp3 that accompanied it was about the USS Liberty, Vietnam, the war in Iraq, 9/11 and dual loyalists in the US Congress, not Judaism.

You admit you don't even read the majority of my posts, so why then are we to believe you when you say I'm posting antisemitic material and that I attack Judaism? You just look at the title and have a knee-jerk reaction.

Just because you personally offended by something I post doesn't necessarily mean it's automatically "antisemitism" it just means that you were just offended at what I posted

-Me posting a picture of real hatemongers juxtaposed over a start of David is a very questionable charge of an attack on Judaism-

questionable to you maybe, but not to people who take care in what message they are sending when using imagery.you clearly knew what you were doing, unless some how your computer doesnt provide any access to anti-zionist imagery that doesnt have the universaly recognized symbol of judaism attached.its either antisemitic or just plain careless, either way massively wrong.

-the Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism was not my analysis, but the analysis of Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. -

it doesnt really work that way.if it did you wouldnt ever take issue with the information crystalman puts out right?as he isnt making up, its information manufactured by others.his "middle east in 5 minutes video" that you called bias crap would be permissable as he didnt create it. in fact if that line of reasoning were valid zionism would be totally ok by you, as it isnt any jew or christian alive today who created the idea, but european jews who he long since past.or the bible dependng on wich way you want to go with it.
contemperary zionists cant be blamed for putting into the world, that wich others created according to your reasonaing.mel gibson isnt racist or antisemitic, as he was just speaking the catholic church's line before the 1950's revision.

the origin of hate speech is irrelevent if you adopt and espouse it.not news really, you put it out there, and you own it.

-Also, in that analysis, he is referring to Jewish Nationalism with regards to the political ideology known as Zionism, not the religious dogma known as Judaism-

yet he feels no need, or you feel no need to place it objectively amongst other forms of nationalism before creating a depiction of it.its bias, antisemitic, and only vaguely has anthing to do with zionism as israel is not a zionist nation, anymore than we are a republican or democratic nation.the blurring of the lines between concepts is how antisemitism is done under the guise of other things.just like demonizing arab nationalism isnt ever not an attack on islam, right?

-You admit you don't even read the majority of my posts, so why then are we to believe you when you say I'm posting antisemitic material and that I attack Judaism? You just look at the title and have a knee-jerk reaction-

nope that is congos bag, not mine.im about substance, wich you very well know.i never stated that i dont read your posts.i do read them, and then directly from them pull out the material i use to display antisemitism.but homestly, your pattern of attack is so beyond formulaic, and mirrors the antisemitism of old, i really dont have to read/view/listen to your posts.ive heard it all before, and you are offering nothing new.the names and faces may change, but the libels dont.and the reasons they are invalid dont.it doesnt really matter if we are talking about martin luther king, or rodney king.if some one is talking racist shit abou them, it is racist shit.ya dont need to do in depth research about rodney king to conclude the racist conclusions.maybe if you actualy understood the nature of what you are doing, instead of dismissing it, you would be better able to effectively spread your message without getting caught.look into how david horowitz does it to muslums.same shit, different flavor.

-Just because you personally offended by something I post doesn't necessarily mean it's automatically "antisemitism" it just means that you were just offended at what I posted-

im not personaly offended by your posts, as they arent about me persoanly.they are really about you more than anything else.i just call'em as i see'em.while it is a commonly held joke "my obsession" with all things jewish, i dont call anyone and everyone antisemitic.ore libelous attempts in lue of substance from you, and still you dont get it.i dont call radicalcentrist an antisemite.i dont even call all criticism of israel antisemitism, as i partake in criticism of her.
the only people in our current community who feel i wrongly brand someone an antisemite, are the antisemites.im extremely conservative in doing that, cuz it is serious business to me.

anytime you would like to deviate from the petty personal libelous attacks, and discuss the nature of this subject matter, im here.but you are insuring this fruitless cycle exists.if this is what you are looking for, check out congo boy.the whole accusations name calling bit is right up his ally, and he is against your position.it will be far more satisfactory for ya to do this with him than me, i assure you.

Maasanova, first, let me apologize because i didn't read the part of who he was going after. Second, I was proud of him for actually going after a racist and thought he was going after one of the many bigots on this site. And third, I'm very sorry for not following the thread and just putting a comment up that meant joy for him standing up, for something right.

Again, my sincere apologies!

No need to apologize, but I understand now. I blame Current's crappy layout for not being able to easily follow posts and conversations.

the dark face of jewish nationalism is a commentary on the effects of nationalism by jews.it may have coursing in and out of it at times a critique of zionism, and the effects it has on a society, but the narrative is not political.it is religious(racist actualy as jews are both).it isnt zionist nationalism, it is JEWISH nationalism under discussion.
christian nationalism can have zionism in it as well, as ours literaly does being that zionism amongst christianity is ever growing.so much so the catholics are in on it now too.(ironic aint it)but it is religious, not political.once again being that it is CHRISTIAN nationalism, not zionist nationalism.to paint it either way, good or bad, is an assessment of religion on a given society.regardless of the political movements it may inspire.being as zionism created israel, not the other way around, to make jewish nationalism representative of zionism is an attempt to take the negative associations of zionism, and tag them to israel.not the government, but her people, ie jews.

if the hate mongers among us photo was political and not religous, what purpose does the star of david serve?being as no religion,judaism,christianity,or islam hold any one single political party kin to it, what purpose did the star of david serve, other than to create guilt by association?

i dont view everthing through a filter of antisemitism.i give ya i am sensative to it, but not reactionary.i know full well, unlike some others on here, that reactionary responses in the long run do more to hurt my cause than help.of course you feel that i do, cuz you are on the recieving end of my criticism and as an upright human being dont care to be told you are wrong, or insulted (if you see antisemitism as an insult).but objectively the elements, regardless of who posts them, are antisemitic.sorry but it is what it is.it isnt ok when you do it, and not ok when skinhead does.its the same shit.hell if ya read me and congo going at it, i was up his ass abou it despite him being jewish (allegedly).

ill clarify my refusal policy for ya.i refuse to play alng with the absurd.i have heard all the israel did 9-11 bullshit, and none of it is remotely rooted in reality.it isnt all your posts i refuse to avail myself of, and im sorry if i wasnt specific enough.but just like area 51 stories and roswell bullshit is a waste of time, so is the 9-11 was a mosaad operation.life is precious, and i may waste much of it on fruitless persuits, but that one is a bridge too far for me.im not even gunna dignify that bullshit it is so absurd.and yes it is anti-semitic.

a desire to get to the truth is not, but that particular narrive is, as more evidence points in other directions.if israel did it, i would want her to be exposed for it.but as she didnt, and literaly every tragedy in human history has a story that blames the jews, i just cant dignify this loosely conglomerated bullshit.

Zionism appears in Christianity because these Christians support Jewish nationalism not for necessarily the political reasons, but for their Judeo-Christianity belief system. But obviously there is some overlap.

Judeo-Christianity si nothing but religious propaganda to corall Christians and keep them supporting a Jewish state (Jewish nationalism, or political Zionims).

It's a farce because in reality Christianity and Judaism are antithetical. I really can't stand evangelicals.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4803.htm

Israel and Zionist Jews like Larry Silverstein have their prints all over 9/11. No one benefited more.

aside from the personal crazy shit we have going on, please take this objectively.
you are looking at everything, literaly everything through a contemperary political prism.that is a fact.
i suspect based on this that you arent seeing the big picture, by your scope being limited to the framework you have assigned it.

now back to our regularly scheduled argument.
zionism appears in christianity, cuz while not of thier creation, it suites thier wants and religious needs to a t.while zionism was a vehicle for the creation of israel once upon a time, it is a redundancy to jews, cuz israel exists.no need to push an agenda that results in what hs already been accomplished.christianity on the other hand loves zionism, cuz it is the only means by wich thier agenda of rebuilding the temple can occur.wich ironicaly isnt gunna happen, yet they are zionist.

christianity is judeo-christianity.the term may be a contemperary one, but it doesnt change the reality that christianity is built upon judaism.christianity cannot exist, then, now, or ever, without judaism.it is the entire jewish mythology that is the foundation upon wich christians validate jesus.take away judaism, and who is to say jesus matters at all? it is only because jesus fullfills jewish prophecy for them.just the same as mohamed cannot exist without abraham (ishmael) christianity has the same inseperable link.even more so.i dont know what understandiong yo have of judaism or christianity, but in reality christianity is a sect of judaism, not antithetical.it is the sect that follows judaism according to the understanding that the messiah has come.same history.same values.same commandements.same everything.just like mohameds decendants split islam into factions based on what they preached, christ is the same to jews.they are all still in the house of islam despite believing different things, and jews and christians find themselves in the same house despite having a similar, but more drastic split.

the people who benefited from 9-11 the most, are those who posed as religious men as our reaction made thier prophecy (the cruaders are coming) a reality, thus validating them.this validation earns them more money and power than any of the middle easts "presidents","kings","prime ministers" or imams combined.that is why at the end of the day, in this particular house of war, we find ourselves in league with those who should be our idealogical enemies.the saudis, the jordanians,and the egyptians arent working with us for any other reason than self preservation.those who did 9-11 are a minor threat to us, but a major threat to them.as they seek to take the authoritive power away from the old guard.if it were the zionists who did 9-11, the jordanians, and egyptians wouldnt be helping us, as zionists pose no threat to them.no more so than they have over the last 62 yrs.it is the element in thier own houses that threaten them.that is who benefited from 9-11, not zionists.

for any and every benefit you can see for zionists, a negative equaly powerfull exists.the only people who win in this scenerio are the bin-ladens(not the actual family, but the osama types).100% win on thier end.

theync.com can show you similar events like what happened to rachel corrie.only its us doing it with far greater frequency.
unless you think adolescent mexicans are a legitimate sucurity threat to us?

next thing you know he'll offer you up a joint, beware!

yup, that my gig.
lul ya into thinking im a pacifist just so i cant pull of some elaborate scheme to kill ya, cuz as a jew i have a religious mandate to rule the world.

the funny/sad part about it is that of the three monothiestic faiths, judaism is actualy the only one that doesnt have a mechanism in place for suh a thing.christianity has a mandate to spread the word of jesus, and islam has the same for the word of mohamed.but the jews who dont care what you believe in, are some how the ones who are trying to control the world.

projection much?

i would offer you a cig though, but as an irresponsable socialist not a jew lol.
actualy i think smoking is forbidden.ooops

and peperoni pizza

nah im stingy with weed.
if it were legal it would be a different story