Are u actually serious or is this a joke cos if anything it's Israel that is behaving like the Nazis

Theres a video on here about that

Either you don't know anything about the Nazis and what they did or you're an antisemite. Probably both.

Not an antisemite just not a Muslim hater I'm fairly sure there is a difference
I'm fairly sure the Nazis were empirialistic and treated other people as second class citizens drove them from their lands and settled Germans there how are Muslims doing that if u ask me israel is just overcompensating for the war

To compare Israelis with Nazis is an antisemitic libel. No discussion. I've flagged you for racist taunts.

U sure as hell won't be the one to decide when I'm finished in this discussion
How can u have the balls to call me racist when I am commenting in relation to ur brandishing of Muslim people as Nazis as apposed to my acusation that the actions of the rulers of israel are more nazi than that of Muslim people

Courtacy of wikipedia
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, and/or religion. In its extreme form, it "attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other civilizations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their being part of the nation[s]" in which they reside.[1] A person who holds such views is called an "antisemite".

Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from individual expressions of hatred and discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs or even state, police or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the First Crusade of 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various pogroms, the Dreyfus Affair, and perhaps the most infamous, the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples,
the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[2] and that has been its normal use since then.[3]
not one mention of criticism of policies of the nation Israel present

because clever dick, if you knew anything, you would know there is no moral equivalence to be drawn between the two. But you know nothing..only Jew hating propaganda

Hardly
ur so racist u can't even see the difference between Israel and the Jewish faith
I hav nothing against Judaism it's holds the same standing with all the other religions in my view irrelivent
the moral comparsions is both= bad things

You're right. I grew up an American in the Middle East. Very nice well meaning Americans are so ignorant about Israel and it's actions (and implications thereof), it is shocking.

Wiki:
Libel is a false, malicious statement published in mainstream media (i.e. on the internet, in a magazine, etc.). (If the defamatory statements are only spoken, they are called "slander".) It is somewhat synonymous to defamation.

expressing ur opinion is not libel

What's with all this anal semantic hair splitting? A sign of desperation. Get a life. Get real. Get informed. Get smart. Get human.

I'm clearly offended by ur accusations
I'm not splitting any hairs only clarifying things for those that need evidently u do
I'm clearly more well informed than u
ur so blinded by ur ignorence u can't even see that

I'm not offended by anything you say. Just bored.

Might hav somthing to do with the fact that I am not slandering u and just speaking the truth

wich nazis?
im just having trouble recalling those democratic, freedom loving nazis?
you do know israel has freedom of speech as a garunteed right, and the nazi's did not, right?

sir you are massively ill informed in many regards.
but ill just ask you a question.
how many jews came from europe in 1948, and how many from the arab territories?
its a trick question as the arab regions werent to keen on keeping track of such things, as jews didnt really count (dhimi law, its a bitch)

so how may jews founded israel, and then subtract those who came from europe, and you have who has been fighting for the last 62 yrs, and its not the european jews.hence a people who have no issue with ww2 or zionism.people who were driven there, not over compensating.

notice im not an islam basher, as crystal tends make people think by agreeing with him on certain points that i am.just trying to skip that waste of a reply if it were coming.

notice he called you racist, but didnt absolve himself.
you put out am antisemitic libel, in calling them nazis.technicaly he is right, but it is hardly the stuff that i would imagine would be pulled.

in fact its a common one.

then you have never had a good challah.ya gotta give us that.no bread is better, really.
but it is a matzoh trade off.

equaly unaware is the general public of america as to the provocations israel recieves.well that was until 9-11, then terrorism mattered to us, but even that was short lived as no network could afford the time it would take to report the 10 thousand rockets israel recieved last decade.not to mention the suicide bombers, and bulldozer attacks.its a lot of foriegn information to be expected to keep up with.
i mean at least the israelis by using a military gave us the opportunity to cover a story in operation cast lead, wich was israel's only contribution over the last decade.i mean it makes keeping the american public informed, it is a lot easier than keeping track of if this was rocket 7 thousand or 7 thousand and one.

nazism as it is, and is understood has a set of criteria that israel in some regards resemble, but over all so not meet.making calling them that wich they are not, is libelous.
for isntance, israel doesnt hate jews,or require they get rid of them.
ust one example amongst a majority, as opposed to the minority of similarties that wouldnt qualify them "nazi" classification.

if we are gunna be all technical with it, and break out dictionary's

to quote myself
" behaving like nazis "
as in more than muslims in response to crystlals cliams
the both arnt socialsit as far as i know so its clear they arnt nazis
as for the hating jews they so however themeselves as superior choosen by God or somthing like that along the lines of the whole arian thing

so on a friday i can go to anywhere in israel and do the whole muslim ceremony no questions asked an im fairly sure israel doesnt inforce freedom of speech in Gaza we hav seen the video of the protestors being shot at

being WW2 we both know that arabia was involved and it did influence the jews there. i thought it was the allies that founded israel ( mainly Brits?)

i have never called the state of israel nazis ( ok there was that one time at that party but i was drunk hahhah) i said that they were more nazi than muslims and if ur gona have the criteria for being nazi like based on race then ur as racist as he is ( well not as racist he is seriously racist but just considerbly )
As for being antisemetic criticising a government of a religion that spans far more than the (undefined) boarders of that country is not in any way criticising those people i hav no problem with the jewish people

it will have 2 be good to beat Brennens whole grain

RTe and BBC managed to do it up north in the 70s

ooo your fun.
ill bite and play devils advocate.
being as no sect of islam exists that is unaware of its antisemitic(i know they are semites too) bits, it is reasonable to equate the similarity between the nazis and islam in this regard.i mean we are a hated people, but generaly on an individual mel gibson type level.
few entities share this idealogical element of jews=bad.

speaking of superiority, that too is something islam and nazism share in idealogy.master race or race of people who know islam is supreme.both endevour to pose superiority, and both are willing to kill towards that endevour.

also a huge nazi-palestinian comparison is the value system in regards to civilians.both targeted civilians in the name of the larger conflict.nazis with the ghettos, and camps.the palestinians in not attacking israeli government instillations, but only civilian populations.both using the larger war as cover for the same personal attacks on civilians.

um, being as both islam and judaism observe the same sabbath, on friday night you can go out and do the whole muslim ceremony, as the jews are doing the same one.but its a trick question, cuz ya gotta be home for the ceremony before sunset, so if you are where you normaly arent on the sabbath, you wouldnt actualy be observing it.

the only problem muslim ceremonies pose in israel, is location in relation to its people.like muslims cant very well be praying at the western wall, as it is holy to us.but conversely jews cannot pray at the dome of the rock, and are allowed limited access to it.no joke, praying at the dome of the rock (usualy attempted by asshole zionists) will get your ass arrested.
it probably wouldnt be a good idea for muslim ceromonies to take place near settlements, as the settlers are the jewish fanatics, and muslim ceremonies in thier nieghbor hood would be seen as antagonistic.once again similarly the same stands for muslims in hebron, or gaza, or the bank.

but the difference is a matter of policy.they shouldnt pray in israel publicaly, just as jews shouldnt in palestinian backyards.but only in israel is it not illegal.in the case of holy structures where it is, ya dont get death as the sentence.

freedom of speech is something israel avails its citizenry of.it cant reasonably be expected to do the same for the gazans, yet some how in this case it is.hamas has that responsability.

regardless of wether of not these activists were availed of free speech by thier respective governments, doing so at a security checkpoint, in a warzone will get ya shot at.especialy when one side only used civilian ploys, like humanitarian activism to execute terror tactics.

its like being upset when we accidentaly kill an afghani farmer.sure he was carrying an ak, its a different culture and the ak is a very accessable means of self defense.sure he was running at our troops, he really wanted to tell them something.sure he was so excited to finalyreach the american checkpoint (he had to run a few miles) he was praising allah.
we shoot him because he is representative of how the enemy engages.charging at soldiers with no care for dying, armed with an ak,praising allah.the alternative is to sacrifice security.

ever since the flotilla incident, would it really be strange for israeli soldiers to be EXTREMELY wary of palestinians posed as civil rights activists trying to break a blockade?the flotilla that had a "humanitarian aid" ship filled with known, and new terrorists who attacked them.the flotilla from turkey, but organized by hamas, with more media on board than "aid".these guys go to a checkpoint with cameras, wich is the same, just on a smaller scale.both testing the waters, so to speak, in terms of israeli security.

we have one guy with a bomb in his shoe, and even though it was unsuccessfull, we still all have to remove our shoes, and that makes sense.but israel has terrorists attack thier soldiers after refusing to halt to an international incident, and israel shouldnt see every incident of its kind similar? israel cant see palestinian's posing as aid workers as a threat, but we can reasonably make every pair of shoes a threat?

nope.england is the history of the failed political attempts.in the 20's,30's,and after ww2 england (as the coloquial power) tried to create a jewish state, but was always met with refusal by the indigenous palestinian population.it was the jews of israel kicking out the already weakened british empire that created israel.if the jews of the day waited for england to get it done, it still wouldnt be done.israel would be new york.

the allies, all held a policy of "no" in regards to creating israel.the brits were being terrorised by the haganah and palmach, and the united states literaly ordered its forces NOT to interfere with what was going on in palestine.(grandparents and uncles, as well as the library of congress).
the european jews who came to israel were the most dedicated to the cause of creating a jewish state, but the numbers of arab jews trumped them.we as european descendants get the european version of history, and the arab part is largely overlooked, despite being integral.

it is actualy a bone of contention (europian/arab) in israel.some arabs jews are pissed, and hate the europeans for "causing" the jew hatred that drove them from thier ancestrial homes in iraq and such.arab media makes the european jew the bad guy, and european jews are pretencious as thier culture trumps arab culture.its a whole thing based on who is israel, and who happen to be jewish.i gotta go with the arabs, fore without them, israel wouldnt exist.a few thousand jews, just freed from camps, who were book keepers and shoe makers couldnt have pulled it off.

lol a culture clasj over bread, awesome.
it beats the humus war between lebanon and israel.

yeah, i saw gi jane too, but in reality woman served.some even came to america, and told me of the tales.unless you are claiming my hebrew school (not sunday mind you) were all lying?
wich by the way, nothing gets a room full of kids who have no desire to learn hebrew to shut up, than revealing you are a paratrooper.bonus feature i suppose, to serving the manditory idf time.

Yeah . . . but there should also be a mandatory tax raise if we go to war, that way, we think twice about bombing a country.

If they were forced to include funding for wars in the Federal budget instead of funding it with special allocations that would be a start. That way it wasn't "showing" in the official deficit.

I have always said that if you want health care and school a 4 years stint in the armed services or at the post office should be mandatory. Every body always has their hand out for the government to give them something, but doesn't want to do anything to deserve it.

So true!
Unfortunately our population is too selfish to put themselves out. Why bother, when a few will step forward and do the dirty work?

really though?
Conscripts make the worst soldiers anyway, in every possible respect

cuz the idf is all conscripts, and they are pretty bad ass.
plus have you ever noticed when you see footage of thier terror attacks, instead of people running away in fear, they take out thier guns that they are trained to use, and put down the fore mentioned terrorist? pretty good policy to me, manditory conscription.especially in israel

god it reads like a neo-con.

Your a dumb ass some of the best soldiers in the history of armed services were drafted.

Not EVERYONE deserves to be on a battlefield. The same way not everyone deserves to be an airline pilot (or deserves to have a license to drive a car, which they do anyway).

In fact the majority of people don't deserve to be on a battlefield and will actually be detrimental to the unit they're in as a whole. A battalion is only as strong as it's weakest link.

as im not israeli i dont know, but you can ask any of the millions who have dealt with it, and didnt go to jail.

In Israel they have to spend about 4 weeks in solitary confinement.

really?
you believe israel has a "time out" policy?

israeli citizens are made in prison to suffer worse that palestinian detainies?

ah i was just going on the fact a friend of mine refused to go on political grounds and went to jail for about 4 months.

i would certainly check up with your friend, or at least your friends case and see what he/she was sentenced of, not what your friend claim was his/her crime.
jews for decades emmigrate to israel, so thier kids can be raised in the holy land, wich requires they join the military under threat of imprisonment?
doesnt really make sense that people would be going there, if that were the case.unless all the jews of the world are all keeping some big secret from one another in favor of aliyah."come to israel..........(fine print) and fight.

israel holds a policy that treats its own citizens worse in prison than enemy combatants?
terrorists get to exist together, pray 5 times a day, and enforce sharia while in prison, but a draft dodger gets solitary.hamasnik prisoners get to have virtue police who cover the television set when ever something inappropriate pops up, but a draft dodger get 4 weeks of solitary confinement?

seems a tad odd for a free society, and that even with our piss poor media coverage the rest of the worlds jews would know, and not move thier no?wouldnt they prefer england or north america, or australia, or south america? they go to israel despite being treated in such a fasion.they think "it is worht my child serving 4 weeks in solitary if they refuse to serve in the military, as long as it is in the holy land?" really?
not lets move thier after the kids have grown if this were the case?

it's a well known fact that if you refuse to do national service in Israel you quite often get put into solitary confinement. I spent 7 years of my early childhood in Israel and its you do grow up knowing that one day you will have to go in the army. They show films glamourising the whole thing in schools to children as young as 6. My stepsister took it as far as stopping eating, just so that she would be classed as too underweight to do any dangerous stuff they just had her in some sort of office doing paperwork. So many women in Israel lie and say they are Orthodox Jews to get out of going into the Army. They wouldn't have to do that if they had a choice.

Don't be fooled by the veneer, Israel is not the 'free' society that they claim to be to the rest of the world. You have to live there for a while to see that though.

and they would have a choice if all thier nieghbors werent showing thier six year olds videos on the importance of killing jews, and destroying israel.but that is the life that it is.unfortunate, and unfair, but those are the terms of survival.issued not by israel, but those who surround her.

they are quite the free society, as we all get to go thier as children.we get to go an work on kibbutz's.we get to say and do just as we do here when there.israeli citizens have the right to petition the supreme court directly, wichwe do not.
freedom is not in question, and we show videos selling the glamour of war too.unless you think gi joe was coincidental, along with gomer pyle, and any number of propagandist films that show just how perfectly wonderfull our military is?

ill tell ya straight up, i dont know the ins and outs of the law in this regard.im just pointing out some odd coincidences that dont make sense, if being a refusenik equals solitary confinement.

i dont agree withe either countries glamourtisatiion of war but thats another story

On this we agree.

Making people go through bureaucracy in order NOT to serve is an asshole move.

only 999,999,99 more points to go lol.
i still like ya

on a personal level, it sure is.just the epitome inconsiderate.
but as national security goes, the exact opposite.

a government that doesnt do what is needed to secure a safe existance for its people is a bigger asshole move no?

but claiming orthodoxy is the only legal means available to opt out? I'm not sure which sentence would be worse for a young woman, following orthodoxy or serving in the military. Doesn't seem like a lot of room to move around there. I think I'd move to NYC...course I read a really interesting piece on Jerusalem in Travel and Leisure this month, really interesting...sounds like it would be a hard choice to decide to leave Israel, but there is something deeply disturbing about the picture accompanying this article. I know people can throw out all kinds of accusations about that particular point of view, but as long as we have been at it, you'd think at least some of us would have figured out by now that war really is not the answer. There has to be a better way.

so I take it you are in favor of naked body scanners in all airports, bus and train stations....what next, we have to step through the naked body scanner installed outside of our house each morning in order to walk down the street or get in our cars, and yeah, I'm being extreme (or at least I hope I am), but at what point do we figure out there have to be better ways to secure a safe existence....just sayin

while i dont know the ins and outs of israel's policy, i do know that conscription historicaly has been manditory, even for the orthodox once upon a time.and that all though policies have changed over the years, every generation has refuseniks who dont get arrested, and dont have to claim orthodoxy.
maybe its my cultural bias, but orthodoxy isnt that bad really.i mean sasha baron cohen for crying out loud.it is oppressive if forced like anything else, but on ones own valition it is nice.i have often contemplated it.

i love the last half, and as a pacifist agree whole heartedly.

compasion is the way to a better existance, but being as that is born out of ones philosophy and cannot be forced, we are stuck.we as in humanity, not just the united states.

i dont have a problem with the full body scanners.i dont know why as i understand the privacy issues at play, it just doesnt bother me.i dont know if its cuz of being raised with terrorism as a backdrop, or my lack of personal modesty, but its a whole lot of what ever to me.not a step towards an orwellian tomorrow.no one is perfect, and we are the great experiment, so im sure we all are flawed when it comes to knowing what components are required to protect the institution of freedom.it seems like the body scanners are a new level of intrusion, but it doesnt bother me, so i guess this is my flaw in regards to inheriting freedom.i just dont feel as though my freedom is threatened by it.

Have you watched the news today? It seems with all the controversy that on the biggest travel day of the year the scanners and searches turned out to be no big deal. The best way to be secure is to realize that driving to work today or that turkey dinner you ate yesterday is thousands of times more likely to kill you than a terrorist attack.

a young woman came to my school to discuss her refusal to serve in the army a few months short of her scheduled jail time. i wasn't able to make the event, but based on what you're saying, it makes more sense that she would have jumped through the proper hoops instead of finding her moral reasons to refuse army service as a cause for imprisonment.

doesnt refudal result in prision i doubt its prision for filling out the wrong form or somthing

hey we got the story of the palestinian guy who was sentenced to 18month for having sex with a jew, and pretending to be jewish while muslim.he got 18 months under the charge of "rape by deception"

but as it turned out, the rape by deception charge had nothing to so with his religion, or hers.rape by deception is the legal term used for cheating on your spouse,under the premise that if some one knew you were married they wouldnt fuck you.his rape by deception charge was a plea bargain down from straight up rape, and the 18 months was a light sentence.

i doubt israel is filling prisons for clerical errors, but it is entirely possible that he was arrested for organizing a violent protest against his service in the idf.making it really spending time in solitary due to that, rather then just denying to serve.i dunno, but a zillion lateral reasons exist, as well as tons of people who didnt serve, didnt have to lie about thier religion, and didnt go to jail.so something is a miss.

any videos from these people who filled out the paper work or can somebody set me the form to be filled out

i wish you luck, but in this israel palestinian conflict, supposition out wieghs facts by infinite amounts.actual facts are few and far between in a sea of propaganda, from at least 6 sides.