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Despite massive protests, US Senate passes S 510 Food Safety Bill

source: http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com/2010/11/despite-massive-protests-us-senate.html

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GLOBALPOLITICAL
(NaturalNews) The new Food Tyranny Act -- called the "Food Safety Modernization Act" in the U.S. Senate -- has been passed by the senate today. It would give the FDA vast new powers to criminalize and imprison farmers and food producers while doing absolutely nothing to address to real root of the food contamination problem: Factory animal farm operations (which are regulated under the USDA, not the FDA).

The bill passed 73 to 25, with Sen Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) emerging as the greatest "voice of reason" in the debate. His last-ditch amendment to reduce the scale of the bill was defeated this morning.

Here's the official vote record:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...

Notably,there wasn't a single Democrat who opposed the bill.

This bill, as originally written, would have outlawed most nutritional supplements through "harmonization" with European laws. It also would have authorized ten-year prison sentences for farmers sellingraw milkto their neighbors. Both of those provisions were eventually stripped out of the bill thanks to some last-minute amendments, but it gives you an idea of the outright police state mentality of the original bill authors who attempted to put in place completegovernmentcontrol over food, gardens, rawmilkand more.

To give you an idea ofhow cluelessU.S. Senators are aboutfood, the New York Times is reporting that whenSenatestaff members met to discuss this bill, they would eat Starburst candies and jellybeans. As the NYT reports, "In the midst of negotiations, the negotiators -- nearly allwomen-- took a field trip to a nearby food market so that a Republican staff member could teach theDemocratshow to buy high-quality steaks."

So what we have here is a new foodtyrannylaw that was essentially negotiated by a group of women who eatdeadfoods, animals products and candy.

No wonder they still don't get it. Thecontaminationof lettuce and other fresh produce is caused byfactory animals farms, not by produce farms. (E.coli can only thrive in the digestive tracts of animals, not plants.)

The "small farms" exclusion will soon be meaningless
The Tester Amendment of the bill did manage to excludesomesmallerfarmersfrom the more tyrannical provisions of the bill. As currently stated, this would exclude small farms that sell less than $500,000 worth of food and which sell most of their food locally.

However, Senators failed to consider what's going to happen when theFederal Reservekeeps printing counterfeitmoney, devaluing the dollar and causing massive food price inflation. A farm that right now produces merely $100,000 worth of food (which could be a small, two-person farm) will soon find itself producing $500,000 worth of food (or more) due to the rapidly falling value of the U.S. dollar.

This is how the Federal Reserve's money counterfeiting actions will further destroyAmericaand place small family farms under the tyranny ofthe FDA.

What's next: Defeat the bill in committee
The Senate version of the bill must now be reconciled with the House version that was passed last year. This reconciliation committee must hammer out the differences between the two bills.

Democrats are urgently rushing to do this during their "lame duck" session in order to avoid moreRepublicansgetting involved who would seek to scale back thepowerand size of the federal government.

Some House Democrats are even suggesting they would support passing the Senate version of the bill as it is written, without requiring any changes whatsoever, just to rush it through before the end of the year.NaturalNewsand other health freedom organizations intend to fight this effort, hoping to stall the bill until the newCongresscan enter the picture and hopefully interject some common sense into the negotiations.
Please don't feed the monster
If signed into law by the President (who is sure to sign it), this Food Safety Bill would provide yet more power and funding to one of the most dangerous monsters our nation has ever known: TheFDA. This is the agency responsible for the death of more Americans than all the wars our nation has ever been involved with -- combined! (http://www.naturalnews.com/030461_S...)

The idea that we're going to save a few lives from food poisoning while subjectingeveryoneto yet another layer ofBig Governmenttyranny is so abhorrent and downright evil that if our country's founding fathers saw all this going on, they would be stunned into silence that it's happening in "the land of the free." Fresh milk being criminalized? You've got to be kidding...

Only they're not kidding. The FDA is the agency that has raided vitamin companies (http://www.naturalnews.com/021791.html), arrestednutritional supplementmanufacturers and ordered the destruction of books containing stevia recipes. This is the agency that censors the scientific truth aboutnaturalfoods like cherries and walnuts (http://www.naturalnews.com/029698_c...) while promoting the outright fraud and quackery of the pharmaceutical industry.

And now the FDA is to be rewarded for its malfeasance with yet MORE power andauthority?

This is how Washington works, folks. The government always thinks it's here to save you, and the Democrats want Big Government to be your nanny and "take care of you." (The Republicans, for their part, just want to bail out the wealthy banksters with your money.) And yet, when it all comes down to it, these people are justtyrantswho have forgotten American history and abandoned the Constitution and its founding principles.

Mark my words: Five years down the road, when the FDA's armed "food police" are running rampant across America, arresting farmers and imprisoning lettuce growers, people will be appalled, and they'll wonder, "How could we have let this happen!?" The answer is right here: You let it happen because you allowed Big Government to rule overthe food supply. And if there's one thing we know about Big Government, it's thatit always wants to get bigger.

It always wants more power. More authority. More funding. And more excuses to function as a dictatorship that rules over the American people.

The Food Safety Modernization Act is to thefood supplywhat the Patriot Act is to the Bill of Rights. We must make every effort to prevent this from becoming law, lest we find ourselves living under afood dictatorshipwhere only dead, fumigated or irradiated food will be allowed to be sold to the public. The "food irradiation plot" has been the plan from the very beginning of all this (http://www.naturalnews.com/023015_f...).

Of course, once the real food is all criminalized and outlawed, there's alwayssoylent green. That might not be too far off, come to think of it.

Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/030576_Food_Safety_S_510.html#ixzz16nMK85q5

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87 comments // Despite massive protests, US Senate passes S 510 Food Safety Bill

  • CalgarC
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • CalgarC
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • CalgarC
    • +2
      CalgarC  
    • GLOBALPOLITICAL:

      just wait until i post tutorials on how to build a mini led based indoor farm...

      something small, that can run for a full day on a small rechargeable battery. you know the new site it will go on haha

    • 1 year ago
  • slvrGelatin
    • +2
      slvrGelatin  
    • CalgarC:

      There are many LED lights out there but you need to make sure that it is within the right spectrum.
      400-520 nm promotes vegetative
      610-720 nm Promotes flowering and budding
      But i'm sure you got it covered.
      :)

    • 1 year ago
  • CalgarC
    • 0
      CalgarC  
    • slvrGelatin:

      i build my own, i can get leds cheaply at the local electronics store. 10 bucks i can build 2-3 led lights each one an array of 8 led's and yes i figured that out haha. don't ya love google

    • 1 year ago
  • toastyguy11
  • sffsmessiah
    • +2
      sffsmessiah  

    • November 28, 2010
      A Stale Food Fight
      By MICHAEL POLLAN and ERIC SCHLOSSER

      THE best opportunity in a generation to improve the safety of the American food supply will come as early as Monday night, when the Senate is scheduled to vote on the F.D.A. Food Safety Modernization bill. This legislation is by no means perfect. But it promises to achieve several important food safety objectives, greatly benefiting consumers without harming small farmers or local food producers.

      The bill would, for the first time, give the F.D.A., which oversees 80 percent of the nation’s food, the authority to test widely for dangerous pathogens and to recall contaminated food. The agency would finally have the resources and authority to prevent food safety problems, rather than respond only after people have become ill. The bill would also require more frequent inspections of large-scale, high-risk food-production plants.

      Last summer, when thousands of people were infected with salmonella from filthy, vermin-infested henhouses in Iowa, Americans were outraged to learn that the F.D.A. had never conducted a food safety inspection at these huge operations that produce billions of eggs a year. The new rules might have kept those people — mainly small children and the elderly — from getting sick.

      The law would also help to protect Americans from unsafe food produced overseas: for the first time, imported foods would be subject to the same standards as those made in the United States.

      You would think that such reasonable measures to protect the health and safety of the American people would have long since sailed through Congress. But after being passed by the House of Representatives more than a year ago with strong bipartisan support, the legislation has been stuck in the Senate. One sticking point was the fear among small farmers and producers that the new regulations would be too costly — and the counter-fear among consumer groups that allowing any exemptions for small-scale agriculture might threaten public health.

      Those legitimate concerns have been addressed in an amendment, added by Senator Jon Tester of Montana, that recently was endorsed by a coalition of sustainable agriculture and consumer groups. But now that common sense has prevailed, the bill is under fierce attack from critics — egged on by Glenn Beck and various Tea Partyers, including some in the local food movement — who are playing fast and loose with the facts.

      Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, is the bill’s most influential opponent by far. On the floor of the Senate the week before last, he claimed that only 10 or 20 Americans a year die from a food-borne illness, that the government doesn’t need mandatory recall power because “not once in our history have we had to force anyone to do a recall,” and that the annual cost of the new food safety requirements — about $300 million — is prohibitively expensive.

      Senator Coburn is wrong on every point. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some 5,000 Americans annually die from a food-borne illness. Last year, at the height of a nationwide salmonella outbreak that sickened thousands, spread via tainted peanut butter, the Westco Fruit and Nuts company refused for weeks to recall potentially contaminated products, despite requests from the F.D.A.

      And as for spending that extra $300 million every year, a recent study by Georgetown University found that the annual cost of food-borne illness in the United States is about $152 billion. In Senator Coburn’s home state, it’s about $1.8 billion. Compared with those amounts, this bill is a real bargain.

      In the last week, agricultural trade groups, from the Produce Marketing Association to the United Egg Producers, have come out against the bill, ostensibly on the grounds that the small farms now partially exempted would pose a food safety threat. (Note that these small farms will continue to be regulated under state and local laws.) It is hard to escape the conclusion that these industry groups never much liked the new rules in the first place. They just didn’t dare come out against them publicly, not when 80 percent of Americans support strengthening the F.D.A.’s authority to regulate food.

      By one estimate, the kinds of farms that the bill would exempt represent less than 1 percent of the food marketplace. Does the food industry really want to sabotage an effort to ensure the safety of 99 percent of that marketplace because it is so deeply concerned about under-regulation of 1 percent? The largest outbreaks are routinely caused by the largest processors, not by small producers selling their goods at farmers’ markets.

      Theodore Roosevelt ran up against the same sort of resistance when he fought for the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906. “Unfortunately,” he said, “the misdeeds of those who are responsible for the abuses we design to cure will bring discredit and damage not only upon them, but upon the innocent stock growers, the ranchmen and farmers of this country.” That is one reason the federal government decided to guarantee food safety during the last century — and why it must continue to do so in this one.

      Michael Pollan is the author of “Food Rules: An Eater’s Manual.” Eric Schlosser is the author of “Fast Food Nation” and a producer of the documentary “Food Inc.”

    • 1 year ago
  • Reeseismyname
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      Reeseismyname  
    • sffsmessiah:

      ha yeah, wow, that was eye opening... reading current all the time made me think that this bill was going to destroy all the local producers and we would be eating soylent green soon. I hope more people read this article. (I mean the one by Michael Pollan)

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • Reeseismyname:

      Last summer, when thousands of people were infected with salmonella from filthy, vermin-infested henhouses in Iowa, Americans were outraged to learn that the F.D.A. had never conducted a food safety inspection at these huge operations that produce billions of eggs a year. The new rules might have kept those people — mainly small children and the elderly — from getting sick

      I think the MIGHT have kept people from getting sick, is the problem. We need to clean up the factory farm.

    • 1 year ago
  • Reeseismyname
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      Reeseismyname  
    • treewolf39:

      yeah well there's not a question of that. But the thing is that this bill is not, as it may seem when reading current, making it less safe... It may not make it all that mORE safe, but at least it's doing something.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • Reeseismyname:

      Bills are about language. This Bill has language to go after food smugglers. I have yet to hear of ONE food smuggling problem. I do hope that my fear of corporate control of government is misplaced on this issue. Time will tell. As long as we keep the internet open, the people will be able to track progress. Lose the net and all bets are off. I suggest a re-watch of 1984. Freedom is not always taken, it is given in support of "usually" some double edged Bill like the Patriot Act.

      I ask, What stops the people who are now spying on your business transactions from stealing or selling your ideas that you think are confidential? At least before, a warrant kept them somewhat honest.

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
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      GLOBALPOLITICAL  
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    • treewolf39:

      The FDA could've stopped it with current regulations. Typical Chaos Theory: Problem (Allow Food Contamination, coincidentally it was the large producers contaminating the food), Reaction (people are scared of the food; please help us), Solution (S.510, Food "Safety" Modernization Act, allowing the large corporations via the gov't police, FDA, to further monopolize the food supply). You know, they can cull the population a lot via the food supply without anyone suspecting them. Look at what Monsanto is already doing via Genetically Modified Organisms.It is not about making food safer for you and me. It is all about consolidating control of the food supply!

      Chaos Theory was, of course, also used to scare people into allowing themselves to be tracked, traced and databased via DHS. Problem: 9/11 Terrorists Reaction: I'm scared. Please take away my freedoms. Solution: DHS, Patriot Act, etc.

      It is time to Wake Up! You too, can join the Global Political Awakening!

      http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
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    • sffsmessiah:

      Propaganda Alert! Typical "Corporate Media" propaganda! By posting obvious propaganda you demonstrate your delusion.

      Concerning the threat of food contamination: The government alphabet soup could've stopped it (food contamination) with existing regulations.

      Typical Chaos Theory (PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION):

      Problem (Allow Food Contamination, coincidentally it was the large producers contaminating the food), Reaction (people are scared of the food; please help us), Solution (S.510, Food "Safety" Modernization Act, allowing the large corporations via the gov't police, FDA, to further monopolize the food supply).

      You know, they can cull the population a lot via the food supply without anyone suspecting them. Look at what Monsanto is already doing via Genetically Modified Organisms.

      It is not about making food safer for you and me. It is all about consolidating control of the food supply!

      Chaos Theory was, of course, also used to scare people into allowing themselves to be tracked, traced and databased via DHS.

      Problem: 9/11 Terrorists Reaction: I'm scared. Please take away my freedoms. Solution: DHS, Patriot Act, etc.

      It is time to Wake Up! You too, can join the Global Political Awakening!

      http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
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      GLOBALPOLITICAL  
    • sffsmessiah:

      Propaganda Alert: AP reports Small Farms are Exempt from Food Safety Bill

      A day after the Food Safety Modernization Act (S.510) passed cloture with a vote of 74-25, theAssociated Press put out some world-class propaganda claiming that "Somesmall farms would be exempt from government efforts to prevent foodborne illness under a Senate agreement on food safety legislation." The article claims a last-minute deal was struck to allow small farms to "avoid expensive food safety plans:"
      The agreement brokered by Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana and announced Thursday would attempt to allay concerns of smaller farms about a food safety bill now pending in the Senate.
      That bill would give the FDA more authority to recall tainted products, increase inspections of food processors and require producers to follow stricter standards for keeping food safe.
      The agreement brokered by Tester would allow farmers who make less than $500,000 a year in revenue and sell directly to consumers, restaurants or grocery stores within their states or within 275 miles of their farms to avoid expensive food safety plans required of larger operations.

      That all sounds well and good, but it only exempts them from having to submit food safety plans, not from inspections that they get billed for, licensing requirements with expensive quality controls, product confiscation without cause or recourse, and even armed raids. We've already seen all of these ugly faces of food fascism unfold in America. Private organic co-ops have beenraided by armed guards, lemonade standsfined and closed down, Amish Dairies raided, and a family farm had 50,000 pounds of cheese confiscated.

      This type of food tyranny is only likely to increase when the food safety bill passes, seizing the righteousness of protecting the people. Evidently, the bill essentially transfers the authority over food regulation enforcement from the FDA to the Department of Homeland Securitywho brought us the liberty-killing, child-molesting TSA. Finally, this bill will do nothing to protect the public from foodborne diseases, because it does nothing to fundamentally change the factory food production methods that allow them to fester.

      The bill will allow the big agri-cartel to further consolidate the food industry, thus gaining even more control over food and humanity itself. This, clearly, is the real purpose of this bill. We can expect to see the "authorities" raiding a lot more small, private health-food cooperatives like in the video below. Tyranny is coming to a family farm or organic co-op near you.

      http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com/2010/11/propaganda-alert-ap-reports...

    • 1 year ago
  • Darevalo
    • +3
      Darevalo  

    • lol unless i hear about universal healthcare by the time i graduate... im leaving the country... the government is pretty fuckin insane.

      first it was cooperations are people (even though its just lots of people who already have a vote... so its really like they vote twice... in a way)

      now food isnt safe... unless monsanto plants it.

      and healthcare still isnt a right....

      guess the cooperations won. yay! you did it you infiltrated every level of government... COOOONNNNGRATULATIONS!

      hope it all works out.

    • 1 year ago
  • Circles
    • +2
      Circles  

    • This is the worst thing I've heard all day. How now do we as citizens oppose this? What route can be taken to debate against a bill passed through both parties of congress and now about to move through reform committees of both houses?

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • blaino
    • +2
      blaino  
    • Nephwrack:

      I wouldn't be so sure of that. Laws of this nature seemingly always start off innocent enough. Then saving lives becomes increasingly complicated. Funds will be increased and new authorities will be granted and you will see news reports of small time organic farmers labeled as smugglers or ecoterrorists.

      These things happen in the same pattern much to frequently to discredit them like that.

    • 1 year ago
  • Progresshiv
  • sffsmessiah
  • neocongo
    • 0
      neocongo  

    • What a badly written whatever this is. Your blog? You need to make a point or two and support it with evidence, not intersperse bitching with nonsense with irrelevancy.

    • 1 year ago
  • ayipis
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      ayipis  

    • wow!! lots of advertisement here..i mean these liberals can barely focus on the issue and now this??

      ahhh the liberal watering hole is poisoned..LOL

    • 1 year ago
  • CalgarC
  • slvrGelatin
  • toastyguy11
    • +2
      toastyguy11  

    • (3) CONTENT- The proposed rulemaking under paragraph (1) shall--
      ‘(A) provide sufficient flexibility to be applicable to various types of entities engaged in the production and harvesting of raw agricultural commodities, including small businesses and entities that sell directly to consumers, and be appropriate to the scale and diversity of the production and harvesting of such commodities;
      ‘(B) include, with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting, packing, and storage operations, minimum standards related to soil amendments, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water;
      ‘(C) consider hazards that occur naturally, may be unintentionally introduced, or may be intentionally introduced, including by acts of terrorism;
      ‘(D) take into consideration, consistent with ensuring enforceable public health protection, conservation and environmental practice standards and policies established by Federal natural resource conservation, wildlife conservation, and environmental agencies; and
      ‘(E) in the case of production that is certified organic, not include any requirements that conflict with or duplicate the requirements of the national organic program established under the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 (7 U.S.C. 6501 et seq.), while providing for public health protection consistent with the requirements of this Act.

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
    • +1
      GLOBALPOLITICAL  
    • toastyguy11:

      Propaganda Alert: AP reports Small Farms are Exempt from Food Safety Bill

      A day after the Food Safety Modernization Act (S.510) passed cloture with a vote of 74-25, theAssociated Press put out some world-class propaganda claiming that "Somesmall farms would be exempt from government efforts to prevent foodborne illness under a Senate agreement on food safety legislation." The article claims a last-minute deal was struck to allow small farms to "avoid expensive food safety plans:"
      The agreement brokered by Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana and announced Thursday would attempt to allay concerns of smaller farms about a food safety bill now pending in the Senate.
      That bill would give the FDA more authority to recall tainted products, increase inspections of food processors and require producers to follow stricter standards for keeping food safe.
      The agreement brokered by Tester would allow farmers who make less than $500,000 a year in revenue and sell directly to consumers, restaurants or grocery stores within their states or within 275 miles of their farms to avoid expensive food safety plans required of larger operations.

      That all sounds well and good, but it only exempts them from having to submit food safety plans, not from inspections that they get billed for, licensing requirements with expensive quality controls, product confiscation without cause or recourse, and even armed raids. We've already seen all of these ugly faces of food fascism unfold in America. Private organic co-ops have beenraided by armed guards, lemonade standsfined and closed down, Amish Dairies raided, and a family farm had 50,000 pounds of cheese confiscated.

      This type of food tyranny is only likely to increase when the food safety bill passes, seizing the righteousness of protecting the people. Evidently, the bill essentially transfers the authority over food regulation enforcement from the FDA to the Department of Homeland Securitywho brought us the liberty-killing, child-molesting TSA. Finally, this bill will do nothing to protect the public from foodborne diseases, because it does nothing to fundamentally change the factory food production methods that allow them to fester.

      The bill will allow the big agri-cartel to further consolidate the food industry, thus gaining even more control over food and humanity itself. This, clearly, is the real purpose of this bill. We can expect to see the "authorities" raiding a lot more small, private health-food cooperatives like in the video below. Tyranny is coming to a family farm or organic co-op near you.

      http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com/2010/11/propaganda-alert-ap-reports....

    • 1 year ago
  • toastyguy11
  • toastyguy11
    • -1
      toastyguy11  

    • I think this is targeted at big producers, do you really think they're gonna start busting up farmers markets? Like they are that good at enforcing any law

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
  • hammywill
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
    • +1
      GLOBALPOLITICAL  
    • toastyguy11:

      Ask yourself this question: Why are the largest agriculture corporations, i.e. Agribusiness, supporting this legislation? Answer: The legislation will consolidate control of the food supply in the hands Agribusiness via FDA, which is a revolving door for Agribusiness and BigPharma, etc. Get the picture?

    • 1 year ago
  • toastyguy11
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
    • +1
      GLOBALPOLITICAL  
    • toastyguy11:

      I have read it! What's your point? Reading the bill clearly shows that the large agricultural corporations will increase monopolistic control of the food supply via their government representative, the Food and Drug Administration, which is a revolving door for Agribusiness, BigPharma, etc. Wake Up, dude!

    • 1 year ago
  • rasky
  • mik661
  • slvrGelatin
  • dariusvons
    • 0
      dariusvons  

    • big deal... they can't stop us from growing our own food. as soon as it goes to court it will get dismissed. any judge will side with sanity on this one.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
    • -1
      unimatrix0  

    • There was no massive protest, the bill enjoyed bi-partisan support, and is a rather mundane effort to insure food safety.

      Why is all this paranoid crap for idiots from global political and natural news being voted up anyway? Are there no sane people left at Current?

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • unimatrix0
  • toastyguy11
  • ayipis
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • toastyguy11
    • +3
      toastyguy11  
    • ThatCrazyLibertarian:

      You're probably right about that, although honestly everything is artificially low priced. If food were grown in a responsible way the price would be higher, unless there were government subsidies for growing things responsibly. I think people should adapt their diets to mirror the rest of the world: Legumes or pulses with a grain and fruits and vegetables. If people didn't spend so much on luxuries like pre-cooked foods, meat and alcohol they could save a lot of money. I'm working at a grocery store right now, so I can tell you, people don't eat very wisely.

    • 1 year ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • riverratt50
  • franklinpeanut
  • ras_menelik
  • CalgarC
  • CalgarC
    • +1
      CalgarC  
    • franklinpeanut:

      grow your own food. take some high powered led lights and setup a small indoor garden. basically you make a wooden mox and cover it with a plexiglass shell. grow food using light and leave it my the window for more light. its cheap easy to do and you can leave it in your kitchen :D

      it might not be a 100% replacement but it covers some of your food needs

    • 1 year ago
  • slvrGelatin
  • toastyguy11
  • artemis6
  • toastyguy11
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • jubal
  • tverdell
  • JanforGore
    • +1
      JanforGore  
    • GLOBALPOLITICAL:

      Excuse me, but you do not do this cause well by referring to those of us who are environmentalists as eco-fascists. And again, their continued support for industrial agriculture only exacerbates the climate change you say is a hoax.

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • artemis6
    • +5
      artemis6  

    • Did the last minuet amendment from Montana stay in ? I hope so , it would exempt small farms ....... Tell me it's still there ....... I know the packing industry withdrew support because of it -- Where can I find out ?

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • artemis6
  • JanforGore
  • artemis6
    • +2
      artemis6  
    • JanforGore:

      I agree , this is still a power grab by you know what . We will , possibly , need to tear it down through legal means , and this amendment gives a small window to attempt this . This method is not so good though , considering the "Supreme" court makeup . Sometimes it seems like just living is just becoming against the law .....

    • 1 year ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • riverratt50
    • +3
      riverratt50  
    • CarlosIsDown:

      Carlos, Carlos, Carlos. You really don't think that the Fed is doing anything to the dollar when they are printing 600,000,000.00 to add to the system and create hyper-inflation. Why do you think the dollar has dropped by 80% in the last 10 years? And the point with the amendment is that the size of the farm is based on how much money is earned by the farm, (500,000). Now when and if hyper-inflation hits and it takes a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread, I doubt that 500,000 ceiling would make much difference.
      No one thought it would happen in Germany in 1920 or to Zimbabwe in 2007.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
    • +3
      JanforGore  
    • artemis6:

      We must keep planting, growing, and fighting. We must not allow this to deter us from preserving our food sovereignty. Nothing is ever won by giving up or in. At least as you stated the amendment is there, and we must remain strong in demanding it work for us. We know already this will not stop foodborne illness, especially since one of the main routes of it, polluted water was not even a part of this to my knowledge.

    • 1 year ago
  • GLOBALPOLITICAL
  • artemis6
  • toastyguy11
    • -1
      toastyguy11  
    • artemis6:

      There is a scale-appropriate clause in there, my mom works for the state of Washington, and as much as I support the government, key areas are underfunded. I can tell you, they don't have the resources or the desire, to go around shutting down small farms when there are big factory farms feeding cows their own shit and chicken parts and all kinds of processing plants where they add chemicals to the food.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
  • CarlosIsDown
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      CarlosIsDown  
    • riverratt50:

      If you are a quantity monetary theorist, sure...

      But no they aren't going to cause inflation. They are buying mortgaged backed securities. All that money is going to be exchanged for the securities and that money will go into the banks. No one wants that money. It's just going to sit there on the banks spreadsheets (which will, in value, remain unchanged.) They tried this two years ago and it really didn't do anything.

      The first time anyone used money in the modern sense (the way you guys are complaining about) is this:

      1685 - there was a French fort in Quebec and soldiers were paid in silver livres. The boat that delivered was late so there was a recession (the soldiers were paid about 30,000 livres which helped the nearby towns economy). The fact that the boat was late (blocked by ice) caused the recession (tight money recession) so the governor confiscated all the playing cards, cut them into four squares and printed monetary value on it. It was interchangeable for silver.

      The governor would eventually accept IOUs, desks etc in exchange for the paper money.

      1690 - Massachusetts had a failed raid on Quebec. The raid would've paid the soldiers but the Canadians kicked our sorry asses (who would've thunk it?). So Massachusetts, to the dismay of many government officials printed up money to pay its soldiers. The shillings had the words *acceptable for taxes, and *to counterfeit is death. It did not cause inflation, even though precious gold didn't back it.

      The reason is because paper money can be printed against many things. In Quebec's case it was silver, IOU's, Desks etc. For Mass. it was mainly from Taxes Receivable.

      So it won't help the economy to exchange cash for mortgaged backed securities, but it won't cause hyper inflation. There's no evidence of that.

    • 1 year ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  

    • God fucking damnit. I knew this shit would pass. This is so corrupt, it makes me more angry than words can describe.

      As soon as I can afford it, I'm moving the fuck outta here.

      This issue is incredibly important. If this goes all the way through the house, it will be the beginning of the end. The police state will be at hand. Your government will control everything that goes into your body. ... this is the same government, mind you, that did decades of research on mind control. Want to know what they found out? The cheapest, easiest way to control people: sugar.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
  • treewolf39
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