Helen Thomas attacked for saying the obvious about Israel

so every palastinian is a suicide bomber and can evrybody use these roads to enter palastine?

wha texactly is facist?

i was thinking of doing somthing similar but i was gona do an israeli flag in black red and whit and 2 of the SA apartide swazis

nowadays people in power rarley speak for the common people more for the wealthy and in this case alot are arms producers so this might raise a problem

INCASE YOU WERE NOT THOUGHT IN SCHOOL... HERE IT IS...

"50million + people died in WW2 and Israel has successfully pushed American schools to only talk about the 6 million Jews. You ask a kid about WW2 today and only thing they know is that 6million Jews died, they know nothing about all the Christians that died, they know nothing about 10 million gypsies that died, they know nothing about millions and millions of Russians that died, they know nothing about the other 44 million none-Jews that died during WW2."

how can you get it when you dont even realize that its the people that are bad not religion, with out people religion would be nothing, just words in a book, its the people that do bad things

so thats the fault of the jews? sounds like bad curriculum and good reason for more education cuts. we were taught about the other deaths when i was in school but ya know, war is hell! get over it

I'm going to resist the urge to comment on the virtues of being "thought" instead of "taught" in school, but I digress. Here's the thing, I don't know how long ago you were in school, but when I was in school just a couple years ago we learned ALL about everyone who was persecuted and slaughtered during WW2. The Jews, the germans, the italians, the christians, the gypsies (who by the way there were approximately 600,000 killed, not 10 million), homosexuals, russians, and other groups. The reason that the Jews are brought up so much is because during the European theater (the part of the war that happened in Europe, rather than the later Pacific front) there was no one people group that was targeted as the Jews were. A central policy of Hitler's third reich agenda was the extermination of Jews specifically. Yes, there were other groups targeted, but not to the extend that the Jewish population was. That's why they're brought up, it's not a conspiracy, it's just the facts and what's relevant to a complete study of the war.

were the eastern europeans not targeted the most as part of lebens raum

they will pay for some, but not all.
mostly from russia

if im a qualified docter will they pay me to come?

not really.
not to play a stereotype or nothing, but israel has no shortage of medical professionals.
ya better be one special doctor.

look like a couple of whining leftylib crackers to me

how about a physicst? i can work out projectile trajecturies hhahahahha

happy hanukkah

Thx. You too my friend.

so it is the jews who are milking this holocaust, but bringing up the uss liberty every opportunity is different some how?
holocaust not appropriate material as it is history, but th uss liberty we must never forget.
gotcha, makes perfect sense.

I don't know anyone who is making billions per year from milking the USS Liberty, so it seems like you are clutching at straws here freecrack.

I only posted the USS Liberty photo in response to the crystalman's photo of an Israeli jet fighter and his threat that Israel should no longer support the US.

crystalman posting that photo reads more a warning or some kind of thinly veiled threat.

We can remember Jewish suffering of WW2, but let's also remember the Jewish suffering of WW2 its entire, historically accurate context, and not in the limited scope of WW2 propaganda as provided to us by the Jewish holocaust monitors.

The only reason Israel is behind anyone is because they benefit from it, nothing else, they can care less what happens to Americans, they are selfish, its like if you are not a Jew you are nothing and I think now its more and more if you arent a Zionist Jew, you are nothing

wich is why the dome of the rock is in prestine condition, and christians enjoy a free christian existance in israel.
every country puts its personal interest above all other nations.your assessment is more nbased in racism than anything else, especialy considering half the country is non-zionist.

sounds like smart policy to me

deep yawn!

if half the country is non-zionist does that mean that teh other half is zionist?

roughly, but it is getting to be less and less as the youth care not for zionism.just the settlers who are a tiny tiny minority

another stupid generation scenario

God bless Canada

blame canada!

Aint that the truth.

millions of people die in wars, especialy world ones.israel has dick to do with what we are shown in schools.jews went n a campaign to make this important material, not israel.and the reason is so that it never happens again.not just to us, but anyone.
what an evil thing to do, to educate people for the better.

and for what it is worth (and im not just saying this as that isnt how i role)i didnt learn shit about the holocaust in my high school education.i just learned about the straight war element, not the civilian genocide.

It has happened time and time again, people have not learned... just look at Gaza, bosnia, Armenia, china, tibet or Darfur. And their are still nations employing systematic eradication techniques to murder or displace entire populations.

the more people dismiss it as "the jews thing" the more genocides will happen.it can be avoided.
had the people of rwanda known the method behind propaganda, calling a group cocaroaches would have made them think "hey that sounds like the nazis calling jews rats".but instead they ignorantly fell prey.

we had our experience with it.we are just trying to literaly save others.dont listen and just wait in line for your turn at the gas chamber, or what ever method is employed given the society in question.

They campaigned to make it an important matter so people feel sorry for them, nothing else, Israel has not stood up and said 'enough is enough' about any other conflict that included genocide sense WW2...

Like someone pointed out the countries that genocide has occurred recently, Israel did not stand up to prevent such thing happening and that just shows how selfish they are.
When the genocide occurred in Europe in the early 90's not one Jew stood up and said HEY THAT HAPPENED TO US NOT TOO LONG AGO, ON THE SAME CONTINENT, THIS NEEDS TO STOP..... they said nothingggggggggg and I bet if they did a lot of lives could of been saved

Go ahead and justify this some how...

from the most basic levels of common sense that even slow children can fidure out, all jews arent in lock step with one another towards any end, no less sympathy.what other people benefit from us feeling sorry for them? what people have been able to accomplish anything based soley on compasion?we sent elian gonzalez back to cuba, sympathy isnt currency around these parts.
is it in other places, is that what you are going for?
that it is a global sympathy conspiracy? and once again who has that worked for again?do we as a nation not still buy damn near everything from underpaid chinese sweat shops?not really global currency either huh?

what are we gunna do with this sympathy?im curious to what end creating a mass play for sympthy plays.are we going for changing the cultural religion, cuz that is the only thing that differenciates us.same european history, same color skin (generaly in the states) same monothiesm.the literal only difference between the jews, and the anyone else here is the lack of faith that jesus was messiah.that is the only difference between jews and the christian majority, so if that is the only thing up for grabs, is sympathy supposed to accomplish this switch?

israel doesnt have to say shit about any other conflict in the world if it doesnt want to, just like every other nation.the fact that they suck at it is really irrelevant as they arent the genocide police.i dont exactly hear germany saying shit either, and despite them being the culture of that housed the holocaust, it seems no one wants to adress the issue huh?including our pussy ass's who wouldnt recognize darfur for how long?im sorry if you feel left out of the "never again" slogan, but that could have been any parcel of land, and europe had been refusing such a thing for two thousand years straight.israel happens to be where the jews finaly had some success.just the same as we did here.point being regardless of the holocaust, the earned it just the same as we did, no different.not a business aquasition of the jews getting daddy america to buy them a country to make up for the boo boo.with terrorism, (a little more extreme than the tea party) and a declaration of independance, just like us.with soldiers who made it happen.

your comment proved my premise.israel is a government that represents 5 million jewish people, not the other 18 mllion (i think).my premise is that the JEWS who feel it is important that the holocaust is general knowledge, do so, so no one nation has the responsability of handling it.no country can do that, cuz wich ever side they are on they are advocating for.wether for altruistic reasons or not, that doesnt keep them out of the conflict, as well as aquiring an enemy.how has that worked out by the way, israel's enemies vs allie?

the lesson isnt to have any pity for people who werent thier, but whos families were.it isnt like israel has been hunting nazis kids.it doesnt follow a blood line, it is over, and none of us at this point really have shit to do with it, as a people.we want no special treatment, and make a point not to ask for them.i mean would the holidays kill ya, yet no asking.the point is for people to learn from our story.just like yal do with our bible.we went through some shit cuz of who we are, and we are trying to give you retarded knuckleheads a leg up, so you dont end up being fed to fucking lions again.cuz aparently the first time wasnt impactfull enough, as it was the church dominated cultures who allowed this.government cant stop genocide, only we can.our governments are only as good as who we elect to them, so the more people who learn the lesson, the fewer people libel to take part or accept such things.you would think a jesus based culture would know that, but aparently not, so it seems mention worthy.

one more reason for education cuts

Actually that's not completely factual... there were approximately 600,000 gypsies (or roma as they prefer to be called) killed, not 10 million. The reason that the Jews are brought up so much is because during the European theater (the part of the war that happened in Europe, rather than the later Pacific front) there was no one people group that was targeted as the Jews were. A central policy of Hitler's third reich agenda was the extermination of Jews specifically. Yes, there were other groups targeted, but not to the extend that the Jewish population was. That's why they're brought up, it's not a conspiracy, it's just the facts and what's relevant to a complete study of the war.

thank you johnny. truth, now thats music to my ears

were the eastern europeans not targeted more?

yup, the usual.when some one agrees with ya, they "sure are smart"
but an opposing view must be delegitimized.

i wish i got paid for this.it would save me the torture of my shit job, but alas im just talking shit on here the same as everyone else.

lol in what world do you imagine some one named "freeCRACK" would seem like a viable means to influence people in a positive way?from your perspective the israelis (code for jew much?) are so tricky they have manipulated us ever so subtly so that we wouldnt notice, yet they cant figure out that a name with crack in it may come off less than credible?
your a hoot.

i look forward to your always classy "shut the fuck up"

what? shut the fuck up dude, you have no legit argument for anything

then why are you always ready to reply?
personaly i dont respond to people who have nothing to say.

hold on alla knew about aids and didnt tell us?

the jews killed the Czar? thought that was comunists

Oh i see so the jews started on the germans bcos they dont like muslims (this lads a right history buff)

ha some i wonder how ur man would feel if i killed some(3/4) of the worlds pop. of muslims

hate to poke holes in his argument but russais still around

when did islam rule the world like vienna happened

so i get a life of traquility wuhu i might just have voted for him if he wasnt a fool of the highest order

alla only referes to jews and christians bcos muhamid was ignorent to the existence of others same goes for why transgendering is ok in Iran

so when i say muslim extremists i realy mean muslims jews

lol good twist lol

anyone can speak out against waht ever they may like, but when one talks out of thier ass, they suffer the results.ya wanna criticize a government for its policies, have at it, more power to ya.ya wanna tell a nation full of people they shouldnt be where they were born, you get a big fuck you.it has nothing to do with israel, as she would get the same treatment if she told all of us to move back to england.

terrorism is the hamas bag, not israel.your an ass on occasion (returning the ass assessment from previous convo) but your not an idiot.
ten thousand rocket attacks in ten years, versus one military operation.terrorist is a brand that defines hamas, and is hyperbole at best, and bullshit libel at worst,in regards to israel.

land?israel has done nothing but give up land, gaza heard of it?

no terrorism no blackade.its just that simple.

we know its not that simple

as far as the blockade goes it is that simple.
even if israel adopted a "fuck every last palestinian" policy, it is terrorism on the part of the palestinians that justifies (defensively) the blockade.
it is the use of home made rockets that validates the banning of explosive materials.
it is the use of building material (screws and such) in the payloads of these missles that validates the blockade
it is shipment after shipment of innocuous building material covering iranian weapons that validate the blockade

no terrorism, and no bloackde.just like the last 50 some odd years.

Yes it will be interesting to hear the comment's of Current's own two in house zionists.

crystal maybe but iv found freecrack to be reasonably level headed

Any post involving the words "Jew", "Israel" "yamaka" or "joe lieberman", and crackhead responds with the ferocity of an Israeli cyber warrior. Any reasonable criticism of those subjects is personal to him.

is crackhead congo?

He avoided the subject and posted a 2005 MEMRI video about some religious kooks who allegedly want to kill all Jews and destroy America, if we are to believe Israeli the Israeli translation.

Needless to say I have a feeling that those Muslims aren't allowed on the Jewish roads in Hebron.

is it upon the 8th or 9th time that something penetrates your thick skull?
galaway,crystal,curtisreed,congoboy,and a handfull of others are zionist and i am not.really not complex stuff.i find zionism to be just retarded.

says the one who spouted antisemitism and racism so closely together that your comments earn criticism just because they are you.i mean if im as bad as you say, i would be recieving the "go away your not welcome" commentary, not you right?

lieberman is an ass btw.way to pay attention and have a clue about that wich you speak.

allegedly?
the clips you find of people saying crazy shit is fact, but all others are allegedly?
he said it.it is on video.in front of an audiance.not an allegation, but documentation.

i didnt avoid the subject at all.the message put forth inthat clerics speech is one and the same as those on your threads about this subject matter.not an avoidance of this thread at all, but a mirror of it.just showing you what company you are keeping in regards to your narrative.

ask crystalman if you want to know, he owns property in hebron if im not mistaken.

i respond how im treated.

do you have to post a photograph of this evil and repugnant old hag?

yup i do

Considering that Helen Thomas regularly worked with members of Congress, the White House, Hollywood, and Wall Street for several consecutive decades, you think she'd know what she's talking about.

regardless, that isnt the point, she may be 100% right and have the evidence to back it up. But for people to act shocked at the response, or to call it some massive neo-con attack on her, is naive at best and disingenuous at worst. Someone in her position surely knew the impact her words would have, and I would say give her credit for choosing them to elicit this very response, and maybe get a dialoge moving. But lets not create more static and red tape by turning this into a way to slam the other side for their understandable reaction, and instead get to the heart of the issue, as in whether it is a true statement or not, whether it is good or bad if it is, and what to do to resolve if if needs be.

Liberals and neo-cons attacked her equally.

The issue is that there is a no-talk rule in America on some of the most crucial issues, such as American support for Israel; 30 billion annually while Americans starve on the streets.

yes that is an issue, but the headline reads 'attacked for saying the obvious' and the person in the story and others are acting shocked. I agree that US policy to Israel has led to the a lot of the horrible state of affairs today, and in their name atrocities are being committed. All I am saying is lets not fill the air with static about how dare they and why are they and instead share facts, propose solutions, and encourage dialogue.

I think that the only person who is shocked is markbt116, and everyone else is feigning shock.

You first have to acknowlegde the issue to be able to deal with the issue, and this is what 99.999% of journalists have refuse to do.

i agree!! lets take the hate talk out and say things plainly. it isnt an attack on jews everywhere to say that you feel that american interests are too heavily slanted towards helping Israel at the expense of other people, and that it is the people behind the scenes who are really in control of it all and perpetuating this. Holocaust was horrible, but doesn't make it right for the Palestinian parents mourning their dead children tonight, or the people without a home because it was taken at the end of a tank.

OK we're on the same page. And it's not an attack on all Jews, but the way to avoid the debate and make it about "all the Jews" is for people like markbt116 bring out Hitler and white supremacy and deflect the issues.

it isnt even suspicious antisemitism, it is directly out of the nazi playbook.
"new york sense of humor" is that under the rug type shit that ya cant really definitively state is hate speech, cuz it could mean any number of tngs despite us all knowing its most common use.
her shit is literaly part of the libels the nazis used in thier propaganda.it is field tested, and proven antisemetism that serves to villify the innocent.

yet this vast conspiracy that she knows so much about from personal experience, didnt warrant her sharing that information in a journalistic context.she has been a journalist since before time itself, and never released this story, or even hinted.but when asked on a personal level in a bit of a gotcha moment this comes out and her journalistic credentials are at play?
not the fact that she never published it in a jouranlistic context?

she is a hatefull old bat, whos opinion is stuck in the 50's.when antisemitism was just great

did neo-cons and liberals attack her equally perhaps cuz it isnt a matter of politics, but a matter of hate speech? wouldnt that be the mark?

support for israel is talked about as often as people are interested in hearing it.you prove this with every post you submit do you not?
when you search "israel" on here, does not the overwhelming majority of threads pertain to the very content you claim is on a no speak list?do those threads not have links to other sites speaking to it?

we can all speak about it, it just isnt as special as you think it is.you have posted now at least four stories about this one event, while nothing new has happened to validate its reiteration.maybe it is less about this giant conspiracy, and more about your missplaced passion.

maybe its not an issue?
is that not a real possibility?

please dont make it a holocaust thing.

deflect issues? or show the source of the issue?
cuz this zionist conspircay crap is right out of white supremacist's playbook.wich makes it relevant, not a deflection.

You're still avoiding the issues, which are:

the aid to Israel, 30 billion dollars year, the illegal settlements, the Jewish only roads, the murdering of innocents, the bought and paid for clergymen like John Hagee and American politicians like Mike Huckabee and his recent prostration at the American Friends of Beit El and the Beit El Yeshiva benefit, the Israeli spying in the US, the portrayal of all Arab Christians, Muslims and secularists as terrorists in the mainstream media ect...

Instead, you want to talk about white supremacy, the Nazi playbook and anti-semitism.

im not avoiding issues at all, im responding directly to comments.we all know the current format makes following that difficult, just scroll a bit.

"But that's neither here nor there as the issue is Helen Thomas and Israel, not 9/11 and Israel."

here is a post by you on this very thread, as well as this one.

"You're avoiding the issues, which are:

the aid to Israel, 30 billion dollars, the illegal settlements, the Jewish only roads, the murdering of innocents, the bought and paid for American politicians and clergymen like John Hagee, the Israeli spying in the US, the portrayal of all Arab Christians, Muslims and secularists as terrorists ect ect ect..."

either the thread is about helen thomas's antisemitic gaff, or it is about all these other things.no one is deflecting.you are just switching up the program when arguments dont suite what you want to accomplish.you know me, and you know very well ill take this in what ever direction you care to.this is your thread, and i yield the narrative and flow to you.but dont project your methodology upon me.

it was posed that what helen thomas said was antisemitic, and you aregued that point.being as the nazi party was (and stll is) based heavily in antisemitism, and you are using libels that are identical to that wich they used, i drew the parallel for ya.

no avoidance, but speaking to the commentary at hand.

aid to israel, 30 billion dollars.
so what, we give a shit load of aid to a shit load of countries, and israel is an allie.not to mention that a whole lot of that has come back as investments to us.like drones for instance.

illegal settlements.
either israel is an occupying force and the settlements are what an occupying force does, or they arent an occupying force and the settlements are illegal.it cant be both.

jewish only roads
muslim only places exist in israel too.but when you fail to mention that part, it is an attempt paint them as prejudicial.when in fact they are being religiously reverential, equally.no muslims at the wailing wall, and no jews in the dome of the rock.

the murdering of innocents
im not even playing along with that one, as hamas in five years trumps israel's 62 yrs of that.

im just bored now.

The issues in this thread are what Helen Thomas spoke about, which are mainly the occupation, the racial colonies, the Jewish only roads and no criticism of Israel allowed in mainstream political discourse.

These topics, and others such as the relentless media bias in favor of Israel and charges of antisemitism, are expounded on in the video, which I'm assuming that you didn't watch as usual. And the video goes into exactly what is going on in this thread.

the occupation, was,is,and always will be a matter of contention as your occupation is anothers country.just like our occupation of native american territory is our country.

no racial colonies exist.that is hyperbole.settlements exist, and any and all who desire to help nation build are welcome.falasha from ethiopia,sephardim from arab territories,and ashkanazim from european regions, as well as any muslim who wants to help build israel.im sorry that muslims dont care to join a kibbutz, but that is thier choice, not israeli racial bias.its sad cuz israel does have a legit race problem worth discussing, but you arent touching upon it.

jewish only roads is such a rediculous thing to even consider an issue.what do they check for circumsisions at toll stops?how is it one tells the difference between an arab jew and an arab muslim exactly? holy sites are religion exclusive, that is it, and it goes both ways.

criticism of israel is more than welcome in political discourse.listen to npr more if you arent getting your fill.they spent at least an hour on it today alone.cnn loves kicking israel in the nuts.in fact that is what ended up having me on current to begin with.im here cuz i couldnt believe what i was hearing on cnn, and came here to see if that was concensus.it is allowed, and it continues.

search "israel" on current, and a bazillion critial stories come up.if that isnt enough, click on the links wich bring you to all the journalism that criticizes israel.from the guardian,to the bbc,to npr,to the huffington post.

i made it about half way through the video, and then i couldnt take the stupidity anymore.
ethnic cleansing despite the population growing?
the whole thing is some jackass talking propaganda points.i mean i can get a good look at a steak if i put my head up the butchers ass................................

sense of humor? it wasnt a joke it was her opinion, and she has the right to it. why not instead of attacking people for their opinions, however impolitely stated, we dig into why the opinion exists. is there truth to it? is there a consortium of bankers politicians and businessmen who are pulling the strings behind our bcks and worse in front of our eyes? i believe there is. are they all jews? no. is us policy to isreal a major stumbling block to peace in the region? i think so. did isreal deserve to get the land they live on as a 'make up' for what happened to them in ww2? i dont think so no. does isreal continue to try to encroach and grow their territory at missile and tank point against tribe people armed with rocks? i believe they do. not because they are jews. because they are able to, with US help. and that is wrong in my opinion. they could be italians, eskimos or three legged cats for all i care. the policy was and is wrong, there is a power behind the scenes creating much of the worlds ills, and isreal and the US policy there plays a massive role in all of that.

so defensive. who cares that it is a jewish missile that crushes your childs skull when all is said and done?

please dont make it a holocaust thing? if not for the holocaust isreal would not exist plain and simple.