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Would President Obama's Environmental Protection Agency really force Americans to pay a tax on "rainwater runoff" from homes and small businesses?

You bet they would. In fact, the EPA, under radical environmentalist Lisa Jackson, is proposing regulations to do just that.
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12 comments // Obama's new tax on...Rainwater!?

  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • I tried to find facts on this in the news and all I see are conservative sites pushing the same story in the exact same words. I did come upon one site that explained this as a being about runoff, which in some areas can cause groundwater depletion, pollution, erosion, and damage to agriculture. Look at all the runoff that goes into the Gulf of Mexico making it a dead zone. People need to be more responsible for stormwater runoff, and in many cities there are already programs to deal with it. However, in many instances sewers and drainage areas are not handled responsibly and it is actually detrimental to the environment as well as human health. Now, if I find it is actually a tax on the rain that falls that we all have to pay, well that is one thing. I need to do more research, but I do doubt that.

      http://www.epa.gov/greeningepa/stormwater/

      EPA- Stormwater Management

      http://epa.gov/npdes/pubs/icr_fedreg.pdf

      Ok, this is from the Federal Register dated 10/2009. There is no mention at all of taxing rainwater. This appears to be about stormwater drainage/management and actually protecting waterways from pollution. And there was actually a comment period.

      How disingenuous to twist this as you did. I may not agree with Obama about a lot of things and the same goes for the EPA, but this in no way looks to me to be anything as you described it.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • JanforGore:

      Thanks for clarifying that point, Jan. I usualy read the article at the link first
      before I comment. I've been a citizen of Colorado, and expect to return to live
      in the mountains in Summer eventualy. Colorado has prosecuted its citizens
      before, as several other Western States have, for simply collecting rainwater.
      They may have changed their law since. I still have to research further what
      I've read since...I guess I may have mis assessed this particular situation.

      I thought it was a tax on fresh water collection in lieu of a criminal prosecution
      from the appearance of the photo per se. Fresh water is a big, big thing out
      West from Texas to California. Always has been. It's usualy in the areas of the
      USA which have always had ample rainfall that they seem to take this vital
      natural resource for granted. With the impending world fresh water shortage
      I suppose I went off on a tangent. I'll watch that next time.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • PressCore:

      Well, privitization is a huge issue and the taxing of freshwater that way ( just posted about a huge protest in Malaysia over privitization) is something we do have to be vigilant of which is why commoditizing water on the market is something I am definitely against. However, this looks like it is putting forth regulations to properly manage stormwater, which is a problem. However, you do make a point about the freshwater crisis and taxing rainwater and down the road I don't see it as impossible in some areas of the world based on what we have seen regarding other mechanisms. That is why we need conservation and proper handling of it in this regard.

    • 1 year ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • JanforGore:

      This is the expose a WCNY TV broadcast had Matt Damon narrate about the
      water situation in Lima, Peru. It's a classic example of what this world is
      heading for. There are 2 classes of citizens in Peru. The white people, then
      the native Indian population. The Indian people have always been farmers
      populating the mountain area. For thousands of years, they've used the
      fresh water from the Glacial melt to irrigate their crops,( which are the type
      of substantial food crops humans should be preserving for seed stock as
      non GMO.) The white people populating Lima decided to build a pipeline
      across Indian land, and steal their fresh water resources. They could have
      done the honest, equitable thing, and offered to buy Indian water. Or they
      could have built a pipeline to the nearby seacoast. General Electric, the
      company founded by Thomas Edison, is a world leader in R & D ing
      desalination tech. Had the white Peruvians gotten their Government to invest
      public tax funds in purchasing desalination technology, built a water treatment
      plant, and their pipeline from the other direction, they would have had in
      inexhaustible supply of usable water for drinking, bathing, cooking, industry.

      The Limans routinely waste fresh, pure water by operating elaborate water
      displays to attract tourists to stimulate their economy...And meanwhile the
      Indian highlanders are displaced from their land. Unable to farm, they're driven
      to the outskirts of Lima where they build shanty towns. The fortunate get jobs
      in the big city, then go back to live in slums where the white people have
      rationed them to 5 gallons of water a week which they have to pay for. There
      are Millions of human souls living in slums being extorted to pay for their own
      water, stolen from them by racist whites who waste it on light shows at night.
      As a result, these Indian people are subjected to more sickness, and premature
      deaths due to infections of their people of more advanced age. This pattern of
      racial Discrimination, forced poverty, sickness & death is the least of the tragedy.

      The time wasted by Corporate Fascism using the Government as a Mob to
      steal their water, then sell it back to the Larceny victims to profit the Corporation
      is a ticking time bomb. The French Revolution exploded because of the
      prolonged exploitation causing virtual starvation amongst the peasants. When
      Marie Antoinette suggested they eat cake, it was so ignorant of the life or death
      struggle of the have nots, that once they stormed the prison for political
      abductees they rioted openly, the lawful order of legitimate Government ended,
      and the lawless injustices of the Revolutionary Council ran rampant. Here in
      the USA, we'd already had our Revolution which our founding fathers won
      due to the support of the French such as General LaFayette. But only 1/3
      of colonial Americans were Patriots who favored breaking away from England.
      The opposing 1/3, the Tories, fought against the American Revolutionary army
      because, to them the crimes occurring as the result of displacement of the
      Crown's law enforcement authority were atrocities worse than Crown
      oppression. Ultimately, these real horror stories from History will repeat
      themselves if we allow the merger of Corporations & Government to create
      the Mob Fascism which will steal anything they can through Piracy, to troll
      it's resale to us. Yes, water IS life. In the 2007 Documentary,: " WTF do WE
      know, anyway " A bona fide natural science experiment proved that the
      element created when H2O is combined is both as alive & intelligent as
      humans are.Truth is stranger than fiction. If you haven't already reviewed
      this documentary, Jan, you owe it to yourself to. Water is a gift from God.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • You tin foil hat wearing loons ought to check this out - if you care about the environment you should care about rain water run-off:

      A Sustainable Approach to Stormwater Management

      When it rains, stormwater runoff that isn't properly managed can flow over impervious surfaces picking up pollutants along the way and washing them into rivers and streams. Stormwater runoff can also cause flooding and erosion, destroy habitat and contribute to combined sewer overflows.

      http://www.portlandonline.com/bes/index.cfm?c=34598

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • This is just more masturbation material for the tin foil mafia. Poor dumb bastards get all woody at the hint of a gov conspiracy.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • unimatrix0:

      " Tin foil hat wearing loons " ? " poor dumb bastards " ? Did it ever sink into
      your skull that you were abusively mis addressing Current.com members who,
      like yourself, are only guests here...And that this is a SOCIAL community with
      standards that if you violate you can get flaged for ? If I were you, I'd watch
      that propensity you have to inject what others have called : " venom ". I've
      been a fan of Star Trek since 1964, but I don't look down my nose at members.
      And I certainly don't feel it's worthy of any human to treat others with contempt.

    • 1 year ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  
    • This is not accurate. The tax is on water runoff. Check with your local water department and they will tell you that runoff is a major issue. Those who contribute to it in areas that do not have proper drainage can cost your local town or city a lot of money. But if you don't mind living downhill from a neighbor whose water collection runoff floods out your drainage or basement then feel free complain about this policy.

    • 1 year ago
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