These Astroturf Libertarians Are The Real Threat To Internet Democracy | The Guardian

rise up. there are many millions of you, and just a few of those who keep you in bondage. destroy the ones that keep you enslaved.

no really, self accountability? is that what libertarianism thinks will keep people in line?

freedom to be preyed upon by the top 1% and any other criminals at will? maybe most of the libertarians don't realize that?

do you live in a society?

The MAJORITY of Libertarians I know understand that the flip side of Private Property rights is responsibility. Libertarians believe you SHOULD have the right to do anything you want with your property EXCEPT damage someones else's. Your neighbors sound like idiots not Libertarians.

actually a lot of "libertarian" websites have commonly reposted fox news comentators as legit. Point and case being when Prision planet was spouting and supporting Glen Beck a couple weeks back.

Please say you are joking. Fox loves Libertarians. Eliminating taxes, elimination of regulations, elimination of social programs. They only ignore Libertarians when it comes to Republicans taking people away in the night and torturing them.

Because Libertarians take COMMON SENSE Constitutional positions on issues you will find that FAUX News agree with them on things like Taxes while MSNBC agree with them on things like War, Marijuana & Civil Liberties.

i understand that fox business is a liberitarian program, it even says it in the info on comcast. has any one ever seen john stossels program? i watched it last night for kicks and it seemed surprisingly far and unbiased. they had a really interesting debate on the existence of god and i found it pretty enlightening. anyone care to comment?

Judge Andrew Napolitano is the only actual Libertarian I know of who has consistent face time on FAUX..

*ahem shanklin *ahem

*toastyguy*?

Julian Assange identifies as a libertarian, or at least claims libertarianism as an influence on his beliefs. I wonder why this has escaped the attention of the pro-Wikileaks progressives who have been recently blaming libertarians for everything that's wrong with the world?

I guess they'll denounce him for it if the sex charges stick, though.

Interesting. I didn't know that about Assange.

All he said was "So as far as markets are concerned I’m a libertarian, but I have enough expertise in politics and history to understand that a free market ends up as monopoly unless you force them to be free."

That's a far cry from identifying as a Libertarian or claiming libertarianism as an influence on his beliefs.

I did a LexisNexis search and found no evidence that Julian Assange has ever claimed to be a Libertarian. He has said several times that he was influenced by Libertarianism however.

Ron Paul would both identify with that statement and with being a Libertarian. This is why Dr. Paul says this Country left Capitalism for Corporatism LONG ago..

And progressive liberal Ralph Nader was saying it long, long before Ron Paul latched onto that bandwagon and perverted it for his own agenda.

Since Dr. Paul has been saying it on record since the late 70's he is not exactly singing a new tune.

If i'm a housepet i better get some freakin' snausages and a belly rub or i'm gonna shit in your libertarian loafers.

Not a single person here has the ability to delete comments we don't agree with, unless they have the little blue "staff" sticker by their avatar.

We can ONLY delete our OWN comments or posts.

As you admitted before, you don't understand what you read.

Here is what I said, rather clearly:

"We can ONLY delete our OWN comments or posts."

You can't consider yourself an advocate of free speech when you lack basic reading comprehension.

I must admit I do have problems reading what you write most of the time.

On the subject of someone deleting comments you wrote, "Not a single person here has the ability to delete comments we don't agree with, unless they have the little blue "staff" sticker by their avatar."
I then told you the person involved deleted an entire story and comment thread, thereby deleting all the comments. That in my mind is censoring free speech.
It's fairly simple. What part of it do you not understand?

So many of her posts are altered or added to after posting. It's hard to keep track of things.

Edit: 31 December 2010 12:25UTC
Notice how two of my posts were removed, albeit temporarily.
My reply to UtopianSky read:
"I'm getting confused here. Apart from not answering questions and deleting comments you don't agree with, why do you also write and post something then change it once you've posted it. Am I right in thinking your post was originally, "S T F U"? Why delete it and write something else? Although... you have a history of deleting things:

"BTW, I deleted the previous entry on this because I was tired of coming into the thread and seeing the same disruptors and the same fights. So thanks Current for providing that option. ;-) " - JanforGore"

It seems someone is trying to censor my comments about JanforGore censoring free speech.
Nothing written here is libellous, everything can be proved as fact.

Thanks, "or posts" which is exactly correct, which then removes everything, even you own responses and what you originally wrote, and of course reposting it surely gives a chance for comments to be put back. But of course, the usuals who carry a grudge and have nothing else of substance to contribute here will continue to harp on it because they get their butts handed to them everytime they enter a thread to spew more garbage and remove all doubt as to why their disruption is dealt with. I'm sure it must be frustrating for them, especially if they get paid by the post.

Response from the link I placed above here still stands because the MO never changes from thread to thread:

-12 MrMxyzptlk

More paranoia from Jan. Clearly she needs help and some powerful antipsychotics.

+15 JanforGore

MrMxyzptlk:

You need an enema.

And to the Current staff: Your special treatment of baiters and harrassers on this site has not gone unnoticed. Matter of fact it fits quite well with the topic of this thread.

Nothing will erase the fact that you are against free speech.
You're right it is frustrating when you delete entire posts because people should be allowed to have their say, no matter what their opinion is. Why are you afraid of free speech? Maybe because you cannot defend your pseudo-religious belief that man is cooking the planet. When asked pertinent questions, or when faced with scientific facts you shy away into your corner and hide, although I was impressed when you eventually did try to comment on a piece of scientific information that debunked your story. Your scientific evaluation consisted of, "the graphs were all over the place". Amazing, and the sort of response one would expect from a six year old.

Why will you not answer questions?
Why do you promote censorship?
Why is accusing opponents of being paid shills your only defence?

"Why can't you discuss the "science?"" - JanforGore

So, why can't you discuss the science, JanforGore?

HaHaHaHaaaaaaa!!! You don't realize how much of an ass your making of yourself. Maybe you should consider actually reading articles, rather then get played for the fool that you are and react to the titles that catch your eye

The cartoon has NOTHING to do with the article. I just think some on here are jealous of the fact that the Libertarians have the balls to strand up to the Republicans while all Obama can do is bend over and lube up.

Jealous of scum? LOL!

Except, of course, that Libertarians don't "stand up" to Republicans since they almost always run AS Republicans.

All they do is say some pretty rhetoric that makes simpletons THINK they are doing something, while in reality they do nothing at all.

That is not balls. That is cosmetics.

The only Libertarian of merit I can think of who has ran as a Republican and won is Ron Paul. I think we can all agree he does a MUCH better job of standing up to the Republicans than your accommodating President.

Indeed you did, as always!

You're the filthy pot calling the pristine polished kettle black, as always. You're not worthy of cleaning and eating Monbiot's shit.

Now, I quite like George Monbiot, the ultra-left writer for the ultra-left Guardian. At least he is a source of constant amusement.
Reading about him being forced to apologise for the mistakes he has written, and the retractions he has been forced to make in order to avert being faced with legal action really is amusing. How anyone could take a single word this man writes seriously is beyond me.

Your criticism is astounding, coming form an obvious paid poster like yourself.

Oh, hello again. I think this is the first thing you've posted that I can actually understand.
Pity you cannot come up with something more original than accusing me of being paid to write this.

well if the shoe fits.

So who paid you to write that? Or did you just copy the other lazy posters who cannot think of something intelligent to write?

You are? It sure doesn't show.

Neither Monbiot nor the Guardian are anywhere near ultra-left - they are left of center. Of course, the US in general and you in particular are leaning so far to the right that you make the tower of Pisa seem perfectly vertical, and anything and anyone just slightly left of Attila the Hun seems ultra-left to your totally skewed perceptions.

"Neither Monbiot nor the Guardian are anywhere near ultra-left - they are left of center."

Agreed. But only if you move the centre point a little further to the left!

That was a good read. +^d