DADT repeal wins!

um... anti-discrimination laws

i hope you're not going to try and say dadt protects us in any way?!

"Now, will we see an uptick in gay enlistments?"

we already have gay soldiers and gay enlistments.

If not, what is the purpose of all this noise?

kicking people out for writing letters home? you think that's ok? this isn't about pda

Re-read my post. I'm tired of trying to explain what is obvious. I'm aware that we have gay soldiers and enlistments otherwise why would I have said an uptick and not "a start"? Read damnit.

Now, will we see an uptick in gay enlistments?

yeah. no shit. duh

if you really had anything intelligent to say you would have said it. no one is announcing it during formation. like i said: kicking people out for writing letters home? you think that's ok? this isn't about pda

McFuck'n A!

Ha! You got that right!

Wow there little troll, aren't we looking mighty plump today? Have you had a good time feeding off of all of that hatred and anger you stirred up ? Did you? Did you? Awww, it looks like you got a little bit on your chin! Let me just get that for you. There you go! All better!

Oh, what's that? You're going to keep trying to stir up anger and hatred around Currrent? Oh, that's just lovely, little troll! Please, keep at it! Because, you know, the entire thing about being a successful troll is not being so overly offensive as to make people REALIZE that you're just trying to push buttons, but ... well, I guess if I did tell you the secret, then EVERYONE would know, wouldn't they, little troll? Aww. But that's okay. We'll play again another time! Bye bye!

silly

great way to talk about the people who are defending you.

14,000 gays have been thrown out of the military after being outed - and I dare to say that there are even more still serving in the military. No, its not about ego - because thousands of them have already been serving.

It's all about equal treatment under the law. And we won't stop until we have every right that straights do.

Call it 'ego' if you will! I like that. The Gay Ego. It's fucking huge.

already did, not that a coward like you ever would

To each, his own.

Are you and the guy in the picture related? I see a slight resemblance..

I won't be surpised if my kids ask me who is John McCain.....he will be forgotten sooner or later

Jubal, I'm DIGGIN the new pic!

i know right? looking good!

probably nothing.

From the blog:

Joe Lieberman:

Lieberman was tireless in his efforts to cajole the handful of GOP moderates to come on board, despite extraordinary pressure on them to maintain GOP unity and block the measure. Lieberman prodded the process along with well-timed public statements, laying down a road-map for the Dem leadership to follow that led to success.

Lieberman also played an important role as a public counterbalance to John McCain, whose quixotic, erratic and desperate efforts to stall and defeat repeal might have commanded more public respect, were it not for Lieberman's high-profile campaign. Lieberman's independent status and Beltway reputation as a hawk made him perfect for the lead role in undercutting McCain's arguments. He succeeded in doing this in scores of TV interviews and at the Senate hearings, where he cross-examined military leaders inclined against repeal and got them to acknowledge that they could live with repeal if it were implemented by Defense Secretary Robert Gates. In a sense, this has been an old-school epic battle between two senators. Lieberman won.

No, that was McCain.

Well I am surprised Lieberman did support this so much. I had him pegged as being anti gay. I was wrong.

No, he is just anti-peace, pro-profit and anti-constituent.

Thank you, for bringing this important information to the forefront, however the nay-sayers will find a way to discredit these impressive facts..

idk, maybe it has to do with all of the set backs he gave us. or maybe it had to do with him defending dadt in court. or his refusal to stop the current discharges going on even temporarily. or his refusal to help reinstate those discharged under his watch. or maybe because of him telling me and my fiance we shouldn't be protected under the law for procedural reasons (oh procedural reasons, not only used by gop).

clearly he just trying to "throw us a bone" to get votes for 2012

"I (kinda) work in the health insurance industry and i talk to a lot of insurance consumers that are covered with their "partners". My own insurance covers partners. (If thats what u meant)"

huh? i don't think that's what i was talking about

but benefits does bring up a good point. with this repeal me and my fiance WOULD NOT get any type of veterans spousal benefits. no health care or base housing or child-parent recognition. there's a little thing called DOMA (you know, the thing that "marriage is one man one woman" obama didn't bring up since he's stepped in the white house). under doma we cannot legally be recognized. if she were to die in iraq right now i would get no compensation. actually; because obama had to wait for "procedural reasons"; i'd be the last person to know because she's too scared to put my name down under the "in case of emergency" contact sheet.

dude, if you can't see that i'm not blaming obama then you are mentally unfortunate.

"it took 20 years to get this fucking no-brainer of a repeal passed."

really? i didn't know the great, all-mighty, powerful obama was president for 20 years? since this is his *win* and all

god damn you are a touchy one. talking shit to a stranger over the internet? while getting mad and emotional about a month old post? yeah i can see who the tard is in this situation

seriously lighten up. i never blamed him for a policy that started before he even got into politics. i just don't think you should write off the hard work put in by actual activist and give credit to someone who impeded on the repeal.

"you people"? meaning?

lol you're not mad but you've gathered enough energy to call a stranger a "tard"? you fancy huh?

Article 125 - Sodomy
All that Article 125 does is lump homosexuals & beastaility in the same catagory.

Forcible sodomy, nonconsensual sodomy and sodomy with underage men and women is already covered by UCMJ Article 120. When DADT is repealed, undoing Article 125 is another necessary step for the military to take to allow gay, lesbian and bisexual service men and women to serve honestly and honorably.

And for those who don't know it, 80% of the U.S. population engage in oral or anal sex, not just homosexuals. If that same percentage applies to the military (and there is no reason to believe it does not), then the vast majority of the military and retired military personnel (all of whom are subject to the UCMJ) violate Article 125.

I know Article 125 is, I am a Veteran. The time I served, I never knew anyone who was prosecuted under that article, and it is not limited to homosexual acts. Article 125 states that any sexual act other than vaginal is illegal and immoral and punishable by incarceration. Legally speaking heterosexuals who admit to having oral or anal sex, even with a female are guilty of violating Article 125, though no one I ever knew was ever prosecuted even though they bragged about such things incessantly.

What I was getting at is, how long before some bigoted Officer decides to prosecute someone under this Article. Now an Officer can ask if a soldier is homosexual and the soldier is required to answer, also, he now has to answer if asked if has engaged in any sexual activity with a partner of the same sex. This creates a dilemma that has not yet been addressed and could be abused.

i know nothing about this really , i googled that info to find out what you were refering to

Maybe repealing DADT opens up homosexuals to being 'asked' if they have violated this article, as you are saying, but does that mean that up until now straight soldiers could have been 'ordered' to answer the question " have you ever fucked you're wife in the ass"

Yes, they could. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of allowing open enlistment in the military. I am a veteran and served with a gay man in the Navy. (I know the jokes will come roaring in now..lol..) None of us had any problems with him at all.

What I AM saying is that I am not too sure people have done the research on this issue. What the DADT policy did was prevent an investigation into whether or not a person was a homosexual without any evidence, whereas before the DADT policy they could. The DADT policy is not what prevented Homosexuals from serving, it was STILL illegal to be homosexual even under DADT. What DADT was was a sort of if you don't say anything, we won't either deal. Thus the name, Don't Ask Don't Tell. However, if one DID say something, an investigation COULD be launched and if a person were found to be homosexual, they were given an OTH Discharge.

So now, we have repealed DADT, however, under the UCMJ it is still illegal to engage in Homosexual activity. So now a gay soldier can be investigated whether they said anything or not. Now, I think this may just be a much ado about nothing, as the top military brass seem to be behind an integration. HOWEVER, there could be an overzealously bigoted officer that could prosecute or at least harass an openly gay soldier.

Read Article 125 of the UCMJ, you will see what I am talking about.

I am only trying to bring up the fact that DADT was actually a policy put into place to circumvent a law that persecuted homosexuals in the Military, and that law has not been removed. Now that DADT has been repealed some people are at risk of at the LEAST an attempted prosecution and harrassment under an existing Article in the UCMJ.

I want people to remember that when you join the Military, you no longer have constitutional rights. You swear them away and are then subject to Rights and Obligations under the UCMJ. Yes, the UCMJ grants rights and protections as well as laws on conduct and behavior. A soldier's new "Constitution" is the UCMJ.

dadt allowed investigations of soldiers based on the simplest rumors. i've been asked by those in charge if i was gay and i remember having to admit to being straight when i had to raise my right hand. dadt blatantly means "we get to ask, and kick you out, even if you don't tell"

I remember that too. They actually had us watch a film and it talked about how you could not be homosexual. I did serve with a coupe of gay guys, we knew it, but no one cared. Of course that is only my personal experience at one command. They could have very well suffered if they stayed in and were moved to a different command. We had a really awesome Captain though, and that may have made all the difference for my individual experience.

in my unit unit we have a few out gay people and no one cares. soldiers even brought their spouses to the xmas party and and were completely welcome. ignorance is really in the minority nowadays. i feel like the dod studies picked and chose soldiers to make the numbers seem more scared of gays. of course the failed at that

I am sure they tried to tank the numbers too. And yes, they failed even when trying to tank them. I still have the fear that SOME overzealous officers may attempt an end run and prosecute a homosexual soldier under Article 125 of the UCMJ..but I am not sure how many officers in Command Staff positions will be willing to even touch an NJP like that.

Holy shit... Republicans in the Senate breaking away from the pack and thinking for themselves? This IS something to celebrate!

you celebrate the "holidays"???????

your a dark bitter atheist 11 months a year and for one month you are a red, green and white santa hat wearing holiday loving person??

HAHHAHAH

Merry CHRISTmas

The origins of Christmas come LONG before Christians existed - it was a Roman holiday that Christians adopted. Christ was not even born in December 25.

So please - at the end of the day it is a Latin/Roman Holiday. Are you a Roman? No. Does it FUCKING MATTER WHAT YOU ARE? No, because Christmas for many people has already become a secularized holiday and has nothing to do with Christ or Santa and everything to do with giving gifts and spending time with family.

Just the same way that secular Jews who don't even believe in God anymore still celebrate Hanukkah.

Get over it.

Is this some new type of minimalist spam?

LOL That's what I was thinking.

hell yeah!

LOL...on your way to a recruitment office?? LOL

for your information i am debating to join or not. Military is in my blood and after being denyed the chance to join for so long, the opprotunity to serve is welcome relief. I no longer am going to do DADT consuling. GMB's, like me, can grow up and not be told everyday that we are trash and degenerates by the military. Now GMB's do not have to worry that coming out will torpedo their sponsers carrer. Now you join the rational portion of society and realize that us homosexuals can serve just as well, or you can move to the Northwestern territories and rant at wild animals. your choice.

Just watch out for those frags ( fragmintation grenades for you sissies that don't know)being lobbed into your bunks. This is one screwed up democratic disaster about to happen. I know of several officers who have opted to retire or refuse reinlistment now. Imagine that!

Sorry not everybody thinks like you and wants to kill gay people.

You mean all the neanderthal bigots are leaving the military ?
IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE !

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abs...
Homophobia is linked to the boner homophobics get while watching guy on guy action.

yeah that reminds me of when blacks went through the same bigoted bullshit

bad slave

They are already serving you dip shit

sorry, i already signed. you gonna sign coward*?

*not the word i wanted to use. i wanted to say something sexist but decided not to have my comment deleted

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

No . . it means all the southern conservatives will be joining the Westboro Baptist Church

no but you seem to have quite a database of homoerotic imagery.

right!?!

The latent, closeted, self loathing homosexuals are the worst!

you guys should go over there and drag those baptist sonsabitches to join..what say you?? i mean you guys are getting all patriotic to join..well..

go back to stormfront.