The two cases would be analogous if in his book he listed three children SPECIFICALLY that he thought NEEDED molesting. He then posted their Pictures. Home Address's, Phone Numbers, Routes they take to School & and their Parents work schedules.

if they were liberal judges, then yes

I will assume you are joking.

kinda sorta

I am glad you have no defense for this man because he is indefensible. What NEEDS to be defended here is the 1st Amendment to the Constitution!

I do not recall you asking me if I had Children, I have a 14 year old Daughter. There is little doubt in my mind that this guy is either a Pedophile or a wannabe Pedophile. Now if he is a Pedophile then we NEED to lock him up for hurting kids and NOT for writing a book. On the other hand if he just WANTS to be a Pedophile then he has broken no law in my opinion UNTIL he trys to put his desire into action.

I mean if it were a crime to desire to do something illegal I suspect a great number of Current contributers would be in the Pen for wanting W knocked off.

if the 1st amendment truly allows for this type of speech then the 1st amendment needs to be amended.

And yet, you're "Mother For Truth"? Complicated.

I take that as a compliment.
I do not consider instructional publication for pedophiles to be an example of freedom of speech. We got Freedom of Speech all confused. How can a publication on how to be a pedophile compare to applying for a permit to gather and protest?

the law should be changed to include both images and the written word

The difference between an image and the written word is a child MUST be harmed to create the image.

People have been molesting children for THOUSANDS of years. Do you think a pervert really needs a book?

Do you mean a child being harmed because of the existence of this book? I'm still supporting the existence of the book. The abuser/molester should be tried, convicted and jailed, where he will no doubt be killed. The book stays.

I can't get behind chipping away at another of our rights when we've spent the past ten years or so having our rights systematically taken away "for the good of the country" or whatever the excuse du jour happens to be.

We are talking about the eastern tip of the Bible Belt, so I would not be surprised if they got a conviction on a LOCAL obscenity charge. I have great doubt it would pass Constitutional muster on appeal however.

At some point what is and is not obscene becomes subjective. I mean some of the Videos of murder & torture that Crystalman posts I find to be obscene. I would of course defend his right to post the crap none the less.

agreed, obscenity is subjective. one mans playboy is another mans hard core porn. but, and i will never bend on my opinion and feelings on this and i respectfully agree to disagree with you. when any material is produced in print or photographic of the exploitation of innocent under aged children, especially sexual in nature my belief is that regardless to what laws may exist that the purveyor of such material is guilty of crimes against humanity equal to the nazi holocaust. if the laws allow for this type of material in print then as they are with photographic material, need a special classification as is with child porn and be made illegal.

child molesters, murderers and rapists should not have any rights

They don't have rights AFTER THEY'RE TRIED AND CONVICTED!! Why do you keep skipping this part?

Still... Merry Christmas!

On this we AGREE 100! Who has this guy Raped, Molested, or Murdered?

I did not feel the need to answer you IF I have children, but I will anyhow. I do not. I know the cycle of child abuse and REFUSE to be part of that, even meaning not having children myself. Now, as a survivor of child abuse and molestation, I ask you, were you abused or sexually molested as a child yourself? As I said, I am closer to this situation than anyone else who wasn't abused or molested. And even I can respect the fact, despite what this guy wrote, that he still has rights and laws that protect him just as anyone else in the United States. Just because he wrote something that you THINK or SUPPOSE may harm a child, but have no proof of it, despite sexual molestation has been going on for thousands of years before he wrote this book, does not mean he is guilty of anything. Sick? Yes. Twisted? Yes. Potentially harmful, possibly, but then so is a car or a gun in the wrong hands. But until someone is PROVEN guilty of physical harm, then you cannot try a person on the POSSIBILITY of harm in a court of law.

Just as a woman who was raped, she keeps it to herself, ashamed of what happened to her and with that builds depression, bitterness, hatred and a basketful of mental and soon physical issues that is hard to escape later on, possibly even suicide. However, to free one's self of the self loathing, guilt, and anger but expressing what happened to them, to other, gives hope to others as well as releases the power that the abuser/molester/rapist has over that person and no longer feeds the negativity that has been allowed to build up during that person's life. I was molested by 3 men and one woman during my childhood. I was also physically abused by my alcoholic step-father, who also beat my mother. Yes, my childhood was no dream that anyone would wish on another person. But I was able to get through it. I aspired to be a musician and through my music I was able to work through my anger and abuse. I never assumed to be the only person to be molested, you assumed I thought that. What I did say is that I was a survivor and closest to the situation. Even through the angst that I endured, I still am able to fight for the right of a potential abuser and his freedoms. His rights and freedoms are mine, yours, and everyone else as well. If we do away with his, we MUST do away with ours too. We cannot henpeck as to whom the Constitution and Declaration belong to, no matter what our heart of hearts tell us. As I said, IF he is an abuser and there is proof of it, then yes, he must suffer the consequences, but if writing text is his only "crime" and hasn't harmed anyone in the process, then he is guilty of bad judgment only. It is no difference if it were a novel of a child being molested, a woman being raped, or someone being killed in a piece of fiction. Those so called "stories" could be twisted to be called an instruction manual as well. What about Playboy, Penthouse and Jugs? But we call them magazines and novels and we read them for enjoyment. Should we round up every author there is and put them behind bars while taking their rights away? Should be gather up all the books in the library and have big book burning parties like the Nazi's did? No, we can't as we have our rights to protect us as well as those people who we despise and dislike.

Everyone POTENTIALLY could become a criminal. should we just lock up everybody just in case?

I see down the thread that you said your kids come before the constitution. I understand that and any further discussion about this would only lead to circular argument, which isn't really helpful to anyone. I don't have children. Maybe if I did I would feel differently. I've never been molested and that might change things too. My priorities are not your priorities. I get it and that's cool.

One thing though to be clear: I don't, in any way, support this monster. I support his freedom of speech, but if he were on fire next to me, I wouldn't even deign to piss on him. If someone gets to him with a gun or a knife or a slow, rusty chainsaw, I wouldn't shed a tear for him. Just wanted to clear that up.

You and your family have a GREAT Christmas!!

as long as i held the key

and all those folks who are guilty of heinous perverted crimes against you should all either be dead or still rotting in prison.

i am sorry for your past but i am confused. so you say that you refuse to have children because they will somehow be drug into the cycle of child abuse? most children are not abused and most are even raised in a loving environment. one thing is for sure, if potential parents aren't willing to give up all of their selfish self-centeredness and put aside all of their individual petty wants in life and sacrifice all of their soul and being into raising a child then they should not be having any.

voted up for the voice of reason. merry christmas littlwarrior

merry Christmas :)

Do you not see the difference between someone who writes about Pedophilia and someone who engages in it?

To me it matters little if in any way he supports or propagates support, or offers guidance as is this books intent, then he is just the same. This is the line that does not get crossed, Im ok with a lot of people doing a lot of things but this one is a no go, I say the only just punishment for pedophiles and their ilk is death. That is just how I feel about the matter.

I have no problem executing Child Molesters. Killing people for doing no more than WRITING about child molesting is a whole other Rodeo.

I'm a bit torn in this argument. On one hand, it seems the guy only just wrote about it. If this was some dark, noir type story about police trying to catch a violent serial pedophile then there probably wouldn't be nearly as much opposition if said story contained a lot of details that one might think are "educational" for the aspiring pedophile.

On the other hand, this doesn't seem to be a story, it's more like a how to booklet or manual. Also, people tend to write about stuff that they know about, and although it's not really evidence, it does beg the question of how does this guy know enough to write a how to book about molesting children?

if it is scientific research delving into the perverted mind of what makes a sick twisted pedophiliac tick then i would agree. if its a "how to" manual, regardless to whether the writer is guilty of the physical act then i say he is complicit in such act and is guilty by association. anyone twisted enough to write about "how to" is most likely guilty of doing it.

inquiring minds want to know, and they all bought his book

"Most likely" is not the same as "Proof Positive". You cannot convict a person on a "most likely". If there is evidence and proof that he has committed a crime, then yes, impound the guy, but until then, he walks free.

If I found out the guy was a Child Molester I would say CUT off his balls and send him to the Pen for being a Child Molester not for being an Author of a Book I find distasteful.

i agree that he walks free. after he is proven innocent, while being held. unless he posts bail which hopefully will be too large for him to make.

I agree. Even if the book is abhorrent (which it sounds like it is), if it doesn't contain child pornography, then it's probably protected by the constitution.

And we have to ask ourselves, which is more dangerous? A shitty book written by a pervert, which might sell a few hundred copies...or a government that yet again expands its ability to confiscate and burn books it finds "objectionable"?

I'd rather let the book exist, and protect my children by exercising common sense--and my second amendment rights.

Agreed!

I agree in toto.

I am still waiting for actual content. The Florida policeman said it was awful but somehow I don't think he really read it. I have to say Curtisreed is the voice of reason on this story.

I have not read the book and I ASSUME it is chalk full of filth and depravity. This of course does not change my opinion that this PERVERT has a Constitutional right to THINK and SAY stuff I am appalled at.

i dont think those steamy novels involved adult sex with under aged and innocent children. there are some things written that even if they may not be, should be illegal. the author of such shit should be at the very least castrated and imprisoned. i would think with the fond memories of your childood stolen from you the way it was that you of all people would find how damaging advocting this sick perverted behavior in print can be. if a so called model citizen has committed the same crime as a pervert, that doesnt make them a model citizen does it. anyway you are welcome to your view but if it were up to me this man wouldnt still be alive. some individuals should not have the priviledge of civil liberties, they should be earned not given.

yuparoonie, agreed!

You are the exact reason as to WHY we do have laws to protect us, and yes I do mean everyone; bad or good. Emotions should NEVER rule humans, ever! Like the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, you would literally behead all those who oppose you and do not like. But thank goodness we do have our brains to overrule what we feel, or at least should, and we have laws/civil liberties that are there to protect us from people who would rather condemn with their heart rather than rule with their minds and or logic.

Do you honestly think this guy, who wrote text, wrote anything new that NO OTHER child molester hasn't thought of? Molesting children is an old crime, actually wasn't a crime until, and I'm guessing, until our parents generation perhaps? I can't find an actual date that a law had been enacted, however I'm sure someone will find one. But my point is, for thousands of years and across the globe, it had been going on. With that in mind, again I ask, what is really new that he could have wrote about? How to use the technology of today perhaps, but is that it?

If Florida is going after this guy under "Obscenity" laws, then yes, even an adult novel with sex is considered obscene material. Doesn't matter the content under the law, it's all the same.

Children should be protected from predators and we have laws about images w/ children, videos w/ children, having sex with minors, and many more. These laws did not exist when I was a child, or at least were not well known. I had no protection under the law. There weren't any state agencies for child protection as we know today.

Yes, those memories are forever burned into me and have helped mold me as the person who I am today. However, I have chosen, during my life, not to let those memories take hold of my life and rule me. I have many other good memories of my childhood which I chose to love and cherish.

If the author was arrested for child porn or child molestation, then great, he will be punished for it! However, to arrest someone for words only, well that is a non-existent crime. He cannot be arrested for words he wrote just because people do not like the content. I would be more concerned about the people who actually buy the book than the author who wrote them. How many times have we, during our lifetime, ever written on a piece of paper that we hate someone and wish ill harm to them?? Under these same "guidelines" would that be a crime as well?

Again, I say, our civil liberties overrule any trumped up charges that may dissolve any future civil liberties we may hold true and dear. Don't forget, it's these same freedoms we have today that we leave to our children of our country tomorrow. If we start to make laws that begin to erode them, what will the future generations have left?

There is a childhood saying that we all have heard and said ourselves: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me." This is a perfect example of that saying.

no i dont want to behead folks i disagree with or do not like. just the perverts who prey on innocent children or anyone who preys on the innocence of others. although i do suppose that pedophiliacs rule with heart, mind and logic. its a cwazy mixed up world. maybe i could write a book on the joys of lynching black people or how to beat up faggots or even forcibly sodomizing my best friends 4 year old sister. merry christmas!

And with that you might as well move to Iran, Saudi Arabia, or some other country who rule with no civil liberties. You will have to give up any gay rights, rights for women, rights for children, rights to own a home, rights to travel anywhere in your country, rights to say what you feel, rights to WRITE what you feel and think (be they wrong or right), rights to see a movie that would be deemed un-patriotic or obscene, rights to eat what you want, rights to read a book or (heaven forbid) the Bible, rights to worship as you see fit (if at all) rights to own a car, rights to work and more importantly rights to live as you wish.

Yes protecting our children is important, and I never said it wasn't, however, without civil liberties we have nothing, including the right to have children.

very well said, Daena. It may ruin your Current reputation for me to say it, but I agree.

ooooh, that's an endorsement you could live without! :)

Punishment is punishment no matter how it's doled out, but If you have proof that he has molested children then prove it and he will be punished. But you don't know he has do you? And yes, you are ruling with your heart, not logic. Shame... Merry Christmas to you too!

DOES the book contain descriptions of "steamy" sex acts with children? or does it talk about it analytically? have you read it?

Danger, congoboy, let's not throw out the constitution just to get a pedophile. if we're going to do that, then we might as well let him publish his book and then linch him without a trial. now we're starting to pick and choose which part of the constitution is most "inconvenient" for our sense of justice.

Personally, I'd rather keep the constitution intact, and find another way of dealing with the perverts.

is this muslim bashing? you should be ashamed

You think they didn't know what was going on? Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who was banging every slave girl he could get his hands on??

what exactlydoes that mean? You mean that you are willing to waive the First Amendment because your child's safety is more important?

In that case, then why should we bother tolerating the presence of Muslims, since an argument can be made that they represent a clear and present danger to our society and our children?! Perhaps we should reinstitute the internment camps?

There are MANY people who think homosexuals are perverts and threaten our society, and when they introduce books about "pro-gay tolerance" in our schools, they think they are a threat to their children's well-being. Should we ban the "pro-gay" books? Should we jail or execute homosexuals?

Oooh, that sounds extreme, right? But when you choose to start throwing out constitutional protections, you have opened the door to one violation after another. Every tyrant in recent history has started by declaring a state of emergency, the need to suspend constitutional protections, all to "protect the nation" from perceived threats.

LOL...I will take the risks involved.. :)

It is not Muslim bashing, however, do you know of any other countries that fit the same and do not allow civil liberties, and not ruled by a religion? They keep their people in "check" because of the lack of civil liberties, not in spite of them. How about China? North Korea? Even Russia has become more relaxed since the fall of the wall. Point is, freedom and civil liberties make for a happier citizen, not the other way around.

the only proof i need is, if he wrote it he is guilty of a heinous crime. sometimes the heart is mightier than logic otherwise men would never marry

Now you are changing things, including your entries, which is your RIGHT. Your first message said nothing about "maybe i could write a book on the joys of lynching black people or how to beat up faggots or even forcibly sodomizing my best friends 4 year old sister." and I have the email response from Current to prove it. But again, it's your right. Damn, there is that darn word again...

As long as you do not prove your text with actual pictures nor have attempted such things yourself, then yes, again, IT IS YOUR RIGHT...

Damn, said it again...

nothing against gays, but pro gay tolerance should not be taught in schools. tolerance for people should be but no particular group should be singled out.

when it comes to those that advocate harm and or violence to innocents not all citizens are or should be created equal.

Thank you, that is what I have been saying for years. There is no need to single out one group, just teach that we tolerate everyone. No need to get specific. That and these kids getting bullied need to get a little more ballsy and bite back sometimes. Bullies are cowards at heart and that is not to be forgotten.

every slave girl might be an exaggeration. lets at least hope they were all of legal age

you are correct, i havent read the book nor do i want to. so i guess i am in lynching mode without further proof and that is wrong. lets just say if the book contains what it is alleged to than my feelings are unchanged. if it is innocent prose on the joys of children i will make a retraction.

The Constitution of the United States and the Declaration still holds true today, despite being written hundreds of years ago. This is what makes it so great. The Founding Fathers of our country held Civil Liberties at such a high regard knowing that the laws SHOULD withstand anything being thrown against them. You do away with the liberties, you have nothing left, including the ability to debate. Thank The Constitution for that.

As a survivor of child molestation and abuse I am more in tune with the situation than someone who isn't and wants to lock their children away from potential harm and shoot anyone, without asking questions or know full facts, from POSSIBLY harming them while taking their freedoms away with one fell swoop.

Where do we draw the line for the THOUGHT Police?

Are you telling me you do not think there were Child Molesters in the 1700's? Truth be told the 1st amendment was created SPECIFICALLY for documents such as this. The Founders knew that popular speech would not need legal protection, it was the UNPOPULAR speech that needed legal protection

I liken this book to the Westboro Baptist Church idiots. I deplore what they do and say, but I would fight to defend their right to do and say them!

I never thought of that example, but a very good one at that! I agree, I think they are idiots, but none-the-less, we have to uphold those "nasty" laws and give them the freedom to be idiots.

What I would do to someone who molested a child is NOT the same thing I would do to someone who WROTE a book about molesting a child.

They knew exactly how sick society can be. That is why we have a bill of rights.

There is always a group of people who believe that their way of thinking is the only way and those who do not conform are less then human. The bill of rights was designed to keep that group of righties from stomping YOUR liberties. Your neighbors could all be perverts. How would you know unless they are perverted toward you? Would you just believe it if someone said it. How much evidence do you need? And then perversion where do you draw the line? No more blow jobs for you buddy.

The bill of rights tries to allow everyone freedom of expression and freedom to gather and rights to privacy and rights to protection. Writing a book is forcing nothing on another. Now IF he wrote about abusing a child, well yuck. Did he abuse a child? I do not know. That is why we have criminal investigation. Unfortunately all the dead babies in Iraq won't get justice from prosecuting the people who shot them in cold blood. My point is there are admitted killers protecting your babies while doing awful things to other peoples babies. But here we are supposed to have rights and due process.

Those willing to trade essential liberty for temporary safety deserve NEITHER liberty nor safety and SOON will loose both.

tell that to the thousands of children who have lost their innocence to sick, twisted, perverted sexual predators who are destined to a lifetime of severe depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts unable to adjust to a normal life or have a normal relationship.

unfortunate deaths during war time can hardly be equated to child molestation. besides you have more muslims killing their own in cold blood than any americans who allegedly may have done the same. for the most part we are quite a bit more civilized than that. merry christmas!

What does this have to do with a BOOK? I mean at the end of the day if one decides to become a Rapist or Child Molester they really do not need a book. I would think it is pretty much a hands on experience type of perverted undertaking.

we draw it at those who either wish, perpetrate or write about perpetrating and or photograph and videotape the exploitation of any kind aimed at innocent children.

It does equate; if you REALLY believe that children should be protected.

"Unfortunate deaths"...that is a sad choice of words, sort of like, "war casualties". They both have the same "warmth" and feeling to them. And you justify our military killing children in a war by equating it with "more muslims killing their own in cold blood than any americans" and figure it's ok? Really? How civilized are we exactly when people want to jail a person for what he wrote (think Nazi's) or create a war by handing out lies to it's citizens (think Bush)? We are far from being completely civilized, however I will give you this, we are more civilized than other countries. But ask yourself why... The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution of the United States, that's why. Freedom, that's why.

i am quite certain that our founding fathers would have personally lynched a pervert like that without a trial.

"we draw it at those who either wish, perpetrate or write about perpetrating and or photograph and videotape the exploitation of any kind aimed at innocent children."

You NOW think we need to criminalize Wishes? Are fantasies still legal in your world of jurisprudence?

i apologize if you misunderstood my point, i am not justifying anything. although a few morally depraved american gi's exist, the difference is americans dont intentionally target children or any innocents for that matter. but your jihadist muslim friends do. if the constitution legally allows such depravity then we need to amend it.

not sure if i understand your point. maybe if you look deep into your own heart you might find the answer.