Community | December 28, 2010 | 110 comments

Obama Admin Increases Wholesale Slaughter of Wild Mustangs

congoboy
If you are new to the slaughter issue, let me just give you a quick rundown. Horses are routinely bought and sold at livestock auctions by the pound. Once purchased they are loaded onto crowded livestock trailers and shipped to either Canada or Mexico, a long distance without food or water.

Many of the horses will suffer terrible injuries along the way but will not be treated. Some will fall down in the trailers and be trampled by the others. Some will die before they arrive at the slaughter yard.

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When they arrive they are unloaded and herded single file through a slippery chute system. The floor is slippery from urine, feces and blood. The terrified horses, one at a time, are pushed into the "kill" chute. This is where a man with a hydraulic retracting gun will try to shoot the horse in a very small spot between the ears stunning the horse and causing it to fall down incapacitated. Because horses have a high fear factor and thrash around trying to escape, it often takes the shooter several applications before the 4 inch spike hits the right spot. The gun is not meant to kill the horse, only stun it so it won't fight when they hoist it up by one leg and dismember it while its beating heart bleeds out from it's sliced open neck still very much alive.

I'm sorry that I have to share the gruesome details with you...but if I don't how will you know how evil horse slaughter is, and how necessary it is to fight against it.

And how we must try to save as many horses as we can from suffering that cruel fate. http://www.wildmustangcoalition.org/id15.html
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  • UndoInfluence
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      UndoInfluence  
    • This is truly a disgusting tragedy. Do you know that the further they ship this meat the more it's nutrition degrades? We need to fix this error at once and finally legalize horse meat consumption so that we don't have to all drive up or down to Canada/Mexico just to get our fix of US grown horsey steaks!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • TypeMemeHere
  • congoboy
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • So your second article states the horses will be rounded up and placed in holding pens, not slaughtered like you blatantly lied about with this title. And what the fuck does the Obama administration have to do with this? The Bureau of Land Management is responding to overpopulation, which has not one fucking thing to do with the Obama administration. Beeyotch.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • congoboy:

      So the accurate title would be "Bureau of Land Management escalates blah blah blah" and not the Obama administration. Ironic you calling me hateful considering you're one of the biggest trolls on this site. I was about peace, love, etc and then Fox Newz propagandized the right wing into a bunch of douchebag idiots. Don't play nice with me, troll boy; you won't get it in return.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • neocongo:

      actually i was being kind in the title. the one above available through the attached link is even more scathing and closer to reality. but you leftylibs and the left wing media werent even as kind or accurate when it came to your dehumanizing of gw. so you should appreciate my honesty and accuracy. troll? i still dont quite understand the term, but even if i were what does hateful and troll have in common? is a troll incapable of being as peaceful, honest, loving and accurate as i am?. no my friend fox news didnt propagandize us into anything. if anything fox news is a reflection of the thinking of the majority of americans, not the other way around, unlike nbc, msnbc, cbs, abc, cnn and pbs. again you are sounding typically leftylib when you try and tell me how to be or what to think. we on the right are open minded, freedom loving, self thinkers and most of us do it pretty well on our own without the hypnotic, hypocritical, mind numbing feed from the mass media. you should try it sometime, you might like it. peace

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • This has been an interesting topic. Yes, early horses were rendered extinct due to climate change or over hunting by early man in North America. However, they were a natural species on the North American continent. The Spanish re-introduced them during the search for El Dorado. Thus, completely changing the culture of the "Plains Indians". The claim that the horses have no natural predators is incorrect and ignorant. BLM properties have been decimated of natural predators in the interests of cattlemen. Wolves, Grizzly Bears, Cougars,
      Coyotes, and Native Americans were the natural predators for horses. But the U.S. govt. and cattlemen, backed by railroad interests, and military/politicians conspired to remove the natural predators. By poisioning (sp), bounty hunting, unrestricted trapping, shooting predators, and murder of Native Americans. The current BLM policy is influenced by cattlemen running their herds on public lands while never paying the public for this violation of our soverignity. About 98% of Wyoming is BLM property and is restricted from private ownership, yet the ranchers still have their special lands protected from public inquiry. Cattle and sheep are the invasive species, not horses. The bison and natural predators were wiped out in the interests of cattlemen and the railroads who transported the cattle to Eastern Markets. I forgot to mention the right of way granted to the railroads which included, mineral rights, now worth billions of dollars, sucked from public land! That's a fact Jack!

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • MoonLoon:

      rendered extinct due to climate change or over hunting by early man in North America? so was this climate change and over hunting all before the advent of the evil modern whitey and his industrial age pollution?

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • congoboy:

      are you trolling? Early horses disappeared many thousands of years before "Whitey" came to this Continent. It should be a requirement that any individual with access to a computer has to at least pass 5th grade history! Have you enrolled in the "Moronics class", one step below, "Ebonics", for beginners?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • MoonLoon:

      to the contrary. many misplaced guilt ridden caucasians make claims that blame evil whitey for everything from climate change to social injustice. so my question has legitimacy. i was just trying to add to your claim that many things in the worlds history come in cycles that arent always connected to modern man.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
  • congoboy
  • neocongo
    • neocongo  
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  • neocongo
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • neocongo:

      saw you previous comment in my inbox, lmfao. here ya go beeyotch!OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ESCALATES ASSAULT ON WILD HORSES: 2,000+ MORE MUSTANGS TARGETED IN NEVADA...Ignoring growing public outrage over the unnecessary mass roundups of wild horses, the Obama Administration has announced its next victims: 2,000 mustangs living in two herd management complexes in eastern Nevada . According to In Defense of Animals (IDA), the Bureau of Land Management (BLM)’s newest assault, when combined with the ongoing roundup of horses living in the Calico Mountain Complex in northwestern Nevada, will eliminate nearly 4,500 horses, or a quarter of the state’s estimated wild horse population.http://www.idanews.org/ida-breaking-news/obama-administration-escalates-assault-...

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
  • congoboy
  • PressCore
  • KSirys
  • KSirys
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • KSirys:

      thanks, now go have a beer on me. my point is as usual. just pointing out hypocrisy on the left, not that it doesnt exist on the right. when bush was in office the leftylibs were all over him on this issue but are deafly silent now.

    • 1 year ago
  • charliesommers
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      charliesommers  
    • This has nothing to do with Obama!! The slaughter of horses closely parallels the slaughter of any other animal, i.e. pigs, chickens, cows, so don't get upset unless you're a vegetarian.

      What would you suggest be done with the herds of wild horses that are doing so much damage to our western lands?

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • charliesommers:

      Excuse me? Damage to our western lands? So please do tell what damage would that be? And I want proof not the word for word crap that the government has brainwashed you with to try and make sense out of all the terrible things they do. While we are talking about species that damage the land no species is more destructive than we are so you certainly can't leave human beings out of the mix so would you suggest that they round all of us up too? Make us run full boar for 40 or 50 miles leaving all of the children and some adults lame and broken down, haul us off to the slaughterhouse and then paralyze us so we can't fight for our lives before they slit our throats or would you like to live your life minding your own business just trying to survive the best you can? I already know what you would choose because that is a no-brainer. Why should it be any different for these horses? They have just as much right to be here as we do. I am still waiting for the day when some humans will become just a little less selfish and self absorbed to realize that we are not the only species on this earth. God did not put us here to be cruel to our fellow creatures we are supposed to be their caregivers not their destroyers.

    • 1 year ago
  • charliesommers
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      charliesommers  
    • Candace_Kennedy:

      As is the case with most instances of the introduction of a species by man into a new habitat, horses overgraze the American West and cause erosion in a very fragile ecosystem. Similar things have happened with rabbits in Australia, the American crayfish in Japan, and the European Starling introduced into America.

      Horses roamed the American plains millions of years ago but became extinct when nature decreed they no longer fit into the equation. Man needs to leave well enough alone and leave nature to her own ends.

      Yes, man is the most destructive species but some of that destructiveness comes from trying to rule nature.

      There are actually no "wild horses" in the American West, only "feral horses" which, according to even that august association "The Sierra Club" do untold damage to the western ecosystem. Here is some information if you would care to read it.

      http://joomla.wildlife.org/documents/policy/horse_comments_082010.pdf

      http://dailysparkstribune.com/view/full_story/5579908/article-Sierra-Club-suppor...

      I am not a vegetarian and would prefer to see the western landscape covered once more with the delicious bison. I should also like to point out that the kind and gentle God to whom you refer also created (supposedly) the lions of the Serengeti that hold down zebras, gnus, etc., and start eating them while they are still alive.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • charliesommers:

      It is sheep which overgraze, not horses, and a horse does not graze more than a bison - there were millions and millions of bisons before white man slaughtered almost all of them, yet the bisons didn't overgraze the American plains. I have often seen lions hunt and catch prey (actually, it was teams of lionesses hunting more often than not) in Kenya and in the Serengeti - they ALWAYS kill their prey before eating it.

    • 1 year ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
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      Itsbatman_Durr  
    • congoboy:

      i am all for that.. i have long preached the idea of a day each year where killing was legal, but only of people who are outside, and you can only participate knowing you might get killed too, being outside. solve overpopulation, helps overall as a tension release especially if we do it on wife beater day (super bowl sunday) and we will help the gene pool by thinning out the idiots !

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • charliesommers:

      I appreciate your links but I can assure you I have read about all sides of this argument many many times as I am a passionate horse lover.I am also a lover of nature.Sorry sir but yet again the damage that is being done to the land is caused by humans dominating the entire planet and taking away all of the habitat that animals are entitled to live on just as much as we are. I should have made myself a little clearer in my response to your comment in that I don't deny that there may be damage being done by the horses because they have such a little amount of land left to live on due to OUR encroachment if they still had the area to graze on that they had before the expansion of civilization there was not and would not be a problem. So what frustrates me is that instead of the government going to the root of the problem which is asking ourselves the question of how we are going to make this planet habitable for ALL creatures they opt to round 'em all up and kill 'em instead. So I am sorry but I just don't accept that. And humans not nature is what drove horses to extinction in the wild through hunting and domestication. And if it is true that these horses are feral and not wild (which I am still not convinced of because there is no way of knowing that for sure) that would make these horses ancestors of horses who served mankind greatly. Carrying us on their backs into wars to fight for our freedom would be one such service. Is this how we show our gratitude? By ripping away the very thing that they loyally helped us achieve.

    • 1 year ago
  • artemis6
  • charliesommers
  • charliesommers
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • charliesommers:

      " that are doing so much damage to our Western lands " WTF. For the first
      200 years of American History that malarchy was never a problem. But now
      that people are getting meaner & inflicting cruelty on all mamals on a wider,
      more frequent scale, suddenly, that's the new theme of hypocrisy to excuse
      this evil ??? Anyone bothering to read the story posted at the link, would see
      that these Mustangs are deprived of food & water inhumanely, then maltreated,
      and brutalized in the most ugly, mechanized way. This vicious maltreatment
      reminds me of that movie Equilibrium where they drugged people not to feel
      then brainwashed them to assume they lived in a better world for it. The end
      does NOT justify the means here. If we started to believe that it does, before
      long any rationalization we can think up will serve as a false justification to do
      anything evil that pops into our heads. Leave them the hell alone. That's
      what I would suggest. Nature will handle them.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • Vierotchka:

      Exactly right. He gave away his conflict of interest as soon as he said
      delicious. A lion always goes for the jugular vein and makes the kill
      quick so that his prey is snuffed and peaceful in death. Lions are
      natural predators. Humans are the aberration in the animal kingdom
      because they are warm blooded mammals that evolved out of having
      a reptile brain stem millions of years ago. It's the curse of humanity
      that some humans still act in such a cold blooded, mechanical way.
      I eat meat only sparingly. It's too acidic.And will inflame the blood & tissues
      and lead to premature death. Humans' saliva, stomach acid, and intestines
      are modeled after vegetarian hominids. This isn't meant to be personal
      or abusive about anyone. I merely feel it's a curse to be human and have
      acquired the taste for blood, imho.Those who haven't acquired the taste
      for blood are fortunate. I've seen how cold blooded, insensitive, and
      forked tongued others are whom I've encountered in my day to day life
      here in New York. All because they're carnivores with a rapacious appetite
      for flesh & blood. Reptilian, not mamalian as humans are evolved to be now.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • charliesommers:

      There is no proof it was " mother nature " I was likely man caused . We are fools , and overgraze own own lands . Should we be culled , or perhaps we could just act with more thought ?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Vierotchka:

      just like the weather there is a natural cycle to these things as well. when an animals population explodes beyond the resources to sustain it they naturally die out until the population decreases to a point that they once again can thrive. sometimes it takes mans humane touch to help weed out over populations through legal hunting and poaching.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • PressCore
    • +1
      PressCore  
    • treewolf39:

      You're quite welcome, amigo. Thank you. Joyous New Year to you. I blog
      all your posted articles I can come across. Thanks for all your very worthy
      contributions in 2010. Am looking forward to what you come across in 2011.
      Thanks again.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • artemis6:

      What a beautiful creature. I treasure horses as I do dogs. They're wonderful
      creatures. Noble & dignified. I'll never forget the horses I saw while traveling
      through Southern Colorado on I 25 to Denver in 1978 where I went to live.
      Peaceful, noble, dignified, and spirited. The color of blue fire. Here's one
      maybe you haven't heard yet:

      A man walks into a tavern, and sees a horse there tending bar, The talking
      horse says: What' ll you have ? The man says: Give me a draft of your best
      beer on tap. Can I ask you a question ? Sure, what is it ? Why the long face ?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • toastyguy11
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      toastyguy11  
    • sad, but really it's the same as slaughtering any animal. Slaughterhouses everywhere are cruel and disgusting. What's the difference between slaughtering horses and slaughtering pigs? They're both wrong. In fact pigs are smarter

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • toastyguy11:

      I agree that the way we slaughter any animal nowadays is cruel and disgusting which is why I am a vegetarian but the difference to me is that pigs,cows and chickens are born and raised to be meat these horses are not. I t is not a question of which animal is smarter as all animals have their own qualities. I have spent nearly all of my life around horses and I can tell you that they are incredibly soulful and charasmatic animals. And they will be a loyal friend for life once they develop a bond with you.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
    • +1
      PressCore  
    • Candace_Kennedy:

      I've been marveling at your mindset, and was wondering what bestowed such
      enlightenment on you. Now that I read you've been around horses nearly all
      your life, I know that must be Karma for having lived as such a good person
      in a previous lifetime perhaps. ( Bhuddists believe that human souls inhabit the
      life forms of other creatures ) Thank you for your astute observation and apt
      comment. They are soulful, and charasmatic. I've not yet lived around equines.
      But it is my dream to eventualy on a Western ranch. For such fiery, spirited,
      independent creatures, it amazes me that they can be so peaceful &
      accomodating as to allow a human to ride their backs. And that they can be
      loyal for life as friends to humans who treat them correctly. Horses have their
      own language, and are communicative. I hope someday to raise horses from
      foals to adulthood. And to make an attachment with a horse that will be a life
      long friendship. Thank you for your illuminating words. They are inspiring.

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • PressCore:

      Thank You so much for your kind words. They truly are amazing animals and I will continue to speak up for them whenever I can until the day I die if I have to!! I only hope someday they will be shown the same kindness,tolerance,and acceptance that they so generously have given to us.

    • 1 year ago
  • XasthurNortt
  • Itsbatman_Durr
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      Itsbatman_Durr  
    • so is the problem that they are killing horses, and you think thats bad, or they are killing horses in a mean way? and what does obama have to do with it?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • congoboy
  • Vierotchka
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Vierotchka:

      as with most fallen or fading stars in this country, they seem to have more popularity in other parts of the world. good thing the rest of the world doesnt get a vote, at least yet!

    • 1 year ago
  • eskimoe
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      eskimoe  
    • Me being a person that doesn't eat meat thinks that eating horses is unnecessary. But the title of the article mentioned Obama, the article should of been named something in regards to the wild meat trade. I'm glad light is being shed on this topic but boo on the title of the article.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • eskimoe
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • here is an idea, leave the mustangs the hell alone, we are one of the last places in the world to have wild horses, leave them in peace. There is no need to kill them other than ranchers don't like them, and this annual culling is not good for their genes.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
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  • congoboy
  • treewolf39
  • carslut
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      carslut  
    • What about Cows? What about Pigs? What about Sheep? What about Fish? What about Rats? What about Cockroaches? Hey, it's a cold world out there. Even colder when you don't have food. People got to eat. If you don't like it, be a vegetarian. I know it sounds cruel. But it's reality. It appears that wild mustangs have become "pests", and now we have "pest control".

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
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    • carslut:

      They are not a pest, they are made out to be a pest by ranchers who don't like to compete for grazing land, even though there really is plenty to go around. And these horses don't become food most of the time their hooves are harvested and the rest is left to rot although some of the buyers use the meat to make dog food. It is just one of those things made out to be necessary but really is not. The national geographic article on the matter is quite enlightening.
      http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/02/wild-horses/fuller-text/2

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • congoboy:

      I have had horse, not yum trust me. Its tough really tough, it is only good ground. The only other way to go about it is to eat it like buffalo, marinate and tenderize for a week before cooking.

    • 1 year ago
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • littlwarrior
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • littlwarrior:

      If properly cooked, it is not tough at all, and it has very little fat. I don't like horse-meat, but one has to admit that it is healthier to eat horse-meat than to eat beef and factory-farmed poultry and pork. I love horses, I come from an extremely long line of horsemen who would rather die of starvation than eat horse-meat. By the way, beef is left to naturally tenderize for considerably more than a week before it is sold.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • Vierotchka:

      If properly cooked, but horse meat is inclined to be tough. But I have only had horse meat once and I was upset about it but when poor one does not complain. I understand though my family has been horse ranchers since as far back as ancestry.com goes. My grandpa used to buy mustangs off the blm and let them go on his ranch, then he would catch and train them as needed. His father raised horses and caught mustangs in New Mexico his whole life, and his father raised horses back in the south on a large plantation, used to race them, all the way back down the line, the first family member from that branch to cross the ocean did so on a boat full of his horses. That line is now some big line down in Texas, the family is no longer involved so we don't care to overly much. My family is a horse family, and killing horse is our last option, hell we had one old boy, we called him red, when we finally got the heart to have him put down he was 32. Still the only reason we did it was because it was either that or have a leg amputated and start feeding him through a tube in his stomach, poor old boy though he was great, still miss him.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
  • Vierotchka
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • carslut
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      carslut  
    • littlwarrior:

      There are at least two sides to every story. I'm setting here in my warm home, out of the rain, preparing for a gig tonight, thinking warm fuzzy thoughts about those magnificent creatures. NOW the other side of the coin. These magnificent creatures are "NON-INDIGENOUS" to this hemisphere. That means that they are out of place. They were brought here by the Spanish as their main mode of transportation. No natural enemies or "niche" to occupy(except in our hearts..as John Wayne rides off into the sunset on one..or as "My Little Pony" in little girl's fantasies). Like the Razor Clam in the Great Lakes or the Queenfish in our lakes and rivers, somethings(like fundamentalist muslims in the real world) just don't fit. Sorry, it's the rules of nature. That's why they're starving in the first place. They don't fit their "new" environment. As unpalatable as this is, for you, and me, I hope this clears up any questions you might have as to my comment.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • carslut:

      But they are not starving they are thriving, that is why there are the kullings because ranchers say they are stealing food from the cattle, but the simple truth is there is plenty of food out there. Have you ever seen with own eyes the open expanses of Wyoming and Montana? Nothing that eats grass could go hungry there. and yes they are an invasive species but they are a non threat, and there are predators a plenty. Bears cougars wolves, all can take down a horse. A horse can fight back but if it were up to nature the horse would fit in quite well.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
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    • carslut:

      An artist's impression of the Yukon Horse, dating back 26,000 years. © Yukon Beringia Interpretive Centre

      ***************

      In 1848 a study On the fossil horses of America by Joseph Leidy systematically examined Pleistocene horse fossils from various collections, including that of the Academy of Natural Sciences and concluded at least two ancient horse species had existed in North America: Equus curvidens and another which he named Equus americanus. A decade later, however, he found the latter name had already been taken and renamed it Equus complicatus.[1] In the same year, he visited Europe and was introduced by Owen to Darwin.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse

      ***************

      While climate change dominates headlines in the modern era, it loomed large in the lives of the many species that inhabited the Americas thousands of years before mankind began belching carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

      The end of the Pleistocene epoch - the geological period roughly spanning 12,000 to 2.5 million years ago, coincided with a global cooling event and the extinction of many large mammals. Evidence suggests North America was hardest hit by extinctions.

      This extinction event saw the demise of the horse in North America. It survived only because the Bering land bridge that once connected Alaska and Siberia had enabled animals to cross into Asia and spread west.

      [snip]

      The story of the North American extinction of the horse would have been cut and dried had it not been for one major and complicating factor: the arrival of humans.

      Humans, too, made use of the land bridge, but went the other way - crossing from Asia into North America some 13,000 to 13,500 years ago.

      Why could the continent that gave rise to the horse no longer provide a suitable home?

      [snip]

      Horses originated in North America 35-56 million years ago.
      http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/extinction-176.shtml

      *******

      So the horses that were brought to the American continent by Europeans were simply coming home.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Candace_Kennedy
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • carslut:

      Actually horses are indigenous and were here before us they started out as a doglike creature that evolved into the horse many years later they were hunted to extinction by early man.

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • Vierotchka:

      Thank Youuuuu. Wake up people and quit allowing yourselves to be brainwashed with weak reasons of why they are doing these culls that can quickly be expelled with just a little bit of research. Horses were here BEFORE US this is a scientific and proven FACT!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
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      Candace_Kennedy  
    • Vierotchka:

      About ten years back scientists uncovered horse bones alongside hunting weapons used by early man. After some research they concluded that hunting was one of the main causes of the extinction of horses in North America.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • MoonLoon:

      with a horse it is a little different, he was old, 32 is really old for a horse, and to have taken one of his legs off would have for him been torture, he was too old to learn a new way to walk and the vet advised us that if we took the leg he would never be able to stand again. For a horse that is absolute torment. A horse does everything on its feet. That and he had some kind of cancer, that's why we were going to have to feed him through the tube. It was one of the saddest days of my life. We had had red since before I was born, I was raised on Red's back. I still remember when I used to get mad or sad as a kid I could just run out into the field hop on his back no saddle or nothing and he would always take me somewhere that made me feel better.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • congoboy:

      Goats and deer are from the same genetic family, they feed on grass, leafy twigs, etc. Their meat is low in fat content, strong flavored, and tough if not cooked properly. I eat goat about twice a month, in a Nigerian pepper soup. All of my friends should try it!

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • littlwarrior:

      I was just fooling with you. I know very well the life on a marginal farm. I had to eat, "Junior" my Easter Chick, one day after the dog killed him. He was delicious, but a little skinny.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • http://www.blogsmonroe.com/world/2010/02/blms-wild-horse-management-program-a-tr...

      BLM’s Wild Horse Management Program a Travesty for American Icon
      Our wild horses out west have been under attack by our own BLM, (Bureau of Land Management)for far too long. There is a massive ongoing slaughter called “management.” It seems the public grazing land that specifically allows for free roam by America’s wild horses/burros is degraded. The horses are to blame. Never mind that of “the 12.5 million animal units the BLM allows to graze on public land, our wild horses comprise less than .3%, three tenths of a percent.” There are only 37,000 wild horses/burros left, “Aside from the general environmental degradation issues, ranchers erect fences that obstruct the movement of wildlife, reducing access to food and water, and isolating subpopulations.” This is validated on one of the videos. Clearly an overabundance of cattle on public land once issued as a place for our free roaming horses/burros by the 1971 Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burro Act has taken over and ultimately caused the degradation. Yet the BLM is determined to blame/reduce wild horse numbers. This is an unfair governmental attack on our wildlife again.

      http://animalrights.about.com/od/animalsusedforfood/a/Livestock PublicLands.htm.

      And taxpayers are paying for it. Per a HSUS, (Humane Society of the U.S.) article, “We have got to get off the current treadmill of spending millions of tax dollars rounding up wild horses and caring for them in captivity, and instead make wider use of fertility control as a humane population management tool.” Caring for them is a big understatement.

      http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2009/07/hsus
      _applauds_house_vote_to_save_wild_horses_071709.html.

      http://www.change.org/actions/view/a_unified_call_for_an_immediate
      _moratorium_on_wild_horse_burro_roundups.

      http://wildhorsewarriors.blogspot.com/2010/02/public-lands-cows-vs-rats.html.

    • 1 year ago
  • Candace_Kennedy
  • treewolf39
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • U.S. agonizes over whether to kill excess mustangs
      By Felicity Barringer
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      GERLACH, Nevada — Five mustangs pounded across the high desert recently, their dark manes and tails giving shape to the wind. Pursued by a helicopter, they ran into a corral - unwilling recruits in an emotional debate over whether to thin, through humane means, a captive herd that already numbers 30,000.

      The champions of wild mustangs have long portrayed them as the victims of ranchers who preferred cattle on the range, middlemen who wanted to make a buck selling them for horse meat, and misfits who shot them for sport. But the wild horse today is no longer automatically considered deserving of extensive protections.

      Some environmentalists and scientists have come to see the mustangs, which run wild from Montana to California, as top-of-the-food-chain bullies, invaders whose hooves and teeth disturb the habitats of endangered tortoises and desert birds.

      Even the language has shifted. In a 2006 article in Audubon magazine, wild horses lost their poetry and were reduced to "feral equids."

      "There's not just horses out there, there's other critters, from the desert turtle in the south to the bighorn sheep in the north," said Paula Morin, the author of the book "Honest Horses."

      "We've come a long way in our awareness of the web of life and maintaining the whole ecology," Morin said, adding, "We do the horses a disservice when we set them apart."

      Environmentalists' attitudes toward the horses have evolved so far that some are willing to say what was heresy a few years ago: that humane killing is acceptable if the alternatives are boarding the mustangs for life at taxpayers' expense or leaving them to overpopulate, damage the range and die of hunger or thirst.

      The U.S. Bureau of Land Management, the legal custodian of the wild horses and burros, recently proposed killing some of the animals. For years, the bureau has been running the Adopt-A-Horse program, selling mustangs from the range to those who would care for them. But 30,000 once-wild horses were never adopted and are being boarded by the agency at facilities in Kansas and Oklahoma (another 33,000 run wild).

      As feed and gas grow more expensive, the rate of adoptions plummets.

      Boarding costs ran to $21 million last year and are expected to reach $26 million this year, out of a $37 million budget for the bureau's Wild Horse and Burro Program, which is intended to protect the animals. And drought lingers here in northern Nevada, where the mustangs were rounded up on a recent weekend morning to prevent them from starving.

      The bureau "can't do a good job of taking care of horses on the range if they have to take care of all the horses off the range," said Nathaniel Messer, a professor of veterinary science at the University of Missouri and a former member of the U.S. government's Wild Horse and Burro Advisory Committee.

      Steven Davis, an emeritus professor of animal science at Oregon State University, said: "Many of the wild horse supporters claim that the horses have a right to be there. I reject that argument." He added: "They damage the water holes. They damage the grasses, the shrubs, the bushes, causing negative consequences for all the other plants and critters that live out there."

      For groups formed to protect the horses, the specter of killing as a solution, however humane, remains anathema. "It's not acceptable to the American public," said Virginie Parant, a lawyer who is the director of the American Wild Horse Preservation Campaign.

      The mustang, Parant said, "is part of the American myth. People want to know that they can come to the American West and know that they can see herds of wild horses roaming. It's part of the imagery."

      As mustangs increasingly competed with cattle in the 1940s and '50s, many were slaughtered. They found a champion in Velma Johnston, known as Wild Horse Annie, who pushed Congress to act. In 1971, Congress gave the bureau the job of caring for them.

      Shelley Sawhook, the president of the American Horse Defense Fund, argues, along with other horse defenders, that the U.S. government "mismanaged the program from the very beginning." She added that "their proposal to euthanize is a stopgap measure" to cover what she believes is an overly aggressive policy of removing horses from the range for the benefit of cattle interests.

      Accusations of mismanagement have dogged the bureau across Democratic and Republican administrations; a decade ago The Associated Press found that a few agency employees were adopting mustangs and selling them to slaughterhouses. In the wake of lawsuits by the Fund for Animals and other groups, the bureau required anyone adopting a mustang to sign a binding pledge not to send it to a slaughterhouse. In 2001, the Earth Liberation Front took credit for the firebombing of an agency hay barn on the Nevada-California border.

      Today, the fundamental rift between the bureau and its critics involves two judgment calls: How many horses can a range of 29 million acres, or 12 million hectares, support, and how should that level be maintained?

      Arlan Hiner, an assistant field manager for the bureau in Nevada, said, "We're supposed to be managing for ecological balance." Over all, the bureau wants to cut the wild herd about 6,000.

      Ted Williams, the author of the Audubon article, argued that such a balance would be impossible without destroying some of the horses.

      Williams's article infuriated the mustang advocates even more than the agency's proposal to resume humane killings. Parant laughs at the idea of attributing the range destruction to horses when cattle greatly outnumber them.

      Jay Kirkpatrick, a scientist who is the director of the Science and Conservation Center in Billings, Montana, wrote in a rebuttal to the Audubon article that Williams had not given sufficient weight to birth control options, which could make "serious inroads" on horse populations.

      "The issue is not that the technology doesn't exist, but that the BLM is not investing in it," Kirkpatrick wrote.

      Herd sizes, the bureau says, double every four years. And the agency is working with a contraceptive that is largely effective for two years in mares. Alan Shepherd, the official who helps run the contraceptive program, said that it showed promise but had limitations.

      "The ultimate thing is you can't catch them all," Shepherd said.

      The horses that rushed into the corral ahead of the helicopter were taken to a holding facility and will eventually join the Adopt-A-Horse program.

      The bureau said it would be premature to discuss the criteria for culling horses or the means. Longtime observers believe that older, unadoptable horses would be the focus of such a program.

      And in past mustang-thinning operations at holding facilities, marksmen shot the horses, said Messer of Missouri.

      After Representative Nick Rahall 2nd, Democrat of West Virginia, the chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, raised questions about the culling proposal, the bureau agreed to make no decision until after completion of a congressional audit of the program, which is due in September.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • congoboy:

      I hate this mismanagement. Much of the perceived problems were caused by the BLMs attempts to control herd size through sterilization. This caused inbreeding and sickness which lead to more killings. I have watched the mismanagement of OUR wild-lands scene I was a child. When tampering with biology, political thought and partisan politics should never be let into the room.

    • 1 year ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • Uh, Congo, this is terrible and all but I fail to see how the Obama administration has anything to do with this.

      This is a sad and horrible thing to do but as long as there is a profit in doing it, some asshole is going to do it no matter who the President is.

    • 1 year ago
  • Conniepae
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • EdJoyProductions:

      the blm under his administration has been increasing the wild mustang harvests. when this was going on under bush the left went ballistic and theyve been pretty quiet under obamas watch. so i'm just spreading the love around.

    • 1 year ago
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