Arizona Representative to Introduce Citizen Militia

exactly! american consumers. voted up

isn't it interesting that when liberals talk about American's being energy hogs, they condemn them for their irresponsibile behavior, driving SUVs etc, and want them banned.

But when it comes to DRUGS, liberals think it's the LAWS taht should be changed so people can do all the drugs they want. Meanwhile, those liberals participate as consumers in the drug trade and therefore contribute tothe profits of these murderous gangs.

isn't there a word for that?

starts with ..."hypocrisy"?

lets pray they use their power wisely

The people are uniting to save their land from an invasion. Just because the invaders don't wear military does not make it any less of an invasion. Race has nothing to do with it. IT isn't a racial thing. The federal government does nothing and is actively trying to prevent Arizona to do anything either. It's up to the people. I just don't understand your willingness to roll over and do nothing.

again a leftylib makin shit up to make an illegitimate point. arizona has a latino population of 30%. if these folks were inherently racist theyd be killing their neighbors. sure every group has their share of racists including hispanics but this is more of a rule of law issue and a self preservation and protection issue. unless you live in arizona you really dont know shit about whats going on. pull yourself away from cnn for once. crime is spilling over from mexico and innocent americans are being killed. really the best answer is to crack down on americans who use illegal drugs because they are the real reason people are being murdered on both sides of the border.

so youve got a point. but lets say a guy with a gun jumps over the fence in your back yard and your local cops are undermanned and too busy on the other side of town. i say shoot the fuck.

I agree in protecting your home (castle law), but why go looking for trouble?

i believe the cartels are already. this is more of a response than a preemptive strike.

Sounds like fun can we set out landmines to?

No.... but we can spend millions of dollars per square mile building high tech fences and then ask ourselves why people think we have monetary issues.

I think we should put out bear traps and landmines that will slow them down. Maybe even a few tiger pits just to add some fun to it.

not all of them silly. but enough of them that we need to be vigilant.

good idea. it'll cut down on crime

the least they could do is provide u.s. consumers with affordable narcotics

Put pressure on American citizens and companies to stop hiring them and it will be stopped altogether. Stopping them at the borders is treating a symptom, not the disease (illegal hiring).

Well this is true but you don't expect folks to work real jobs that require them to get hot an sweat do you? Besides they want to get paid more than eight bucks an hour. Thats all the local lawn care folks pay. Most of the jobs the illegals have are the ones the require you to do manul labor. folks today don't want to work. hell most of them don't even want to leave the comfort of mom&dads house or to relocate to get a job. They want a job to come to them. Every time I say hey folks are hireing down here they say it cost to much to move or they have a family that can't move with them. I know for a fact that a local company is hireing welders they are haveing to train the locals because there are not enought welders to fill the job quota. i see lots of out of state plate in the local motel parking lots because of the jobs we have here. My father used to leave us for six months at a time to go out of state to work. But was a real man that did what He had to do to make a good living for his family. Not some little pussy that couldn't take care of His family and cried that the mexican took his job. The jobs are out there for those that want to work. but those that don't want to work will never find a job.

especially the bad ones

mark, sometimes you express true wisdom. voted up!

putting our own able bodied social system leeches into the manual labor positions would teach them an appreciation for hard earned money.

Yes it will but our goverment will never make them earn wath they get.

No such thing as a bad job

apparently you havent dated much then

an unfortunate predicament.

especially the criminals and the bad ones

no need, theyre no secret. besides they'll be most likely be working together

i'd like that kind of arsenal. but is that cartel weaponry or militia weaponry? preferably the latter.

illegal immigration sucks, but your comments seem pretty racist.

You know what bothers me about this map? The "Not Yours" area can also be accurately flagged as "Not Yours or Ours". We took "our" country from Native Americans, with the exception of Texas that was taken from the Mexicans. Given that we seized Native American lands by virtue of immigration, it seems a hypocritical for you to post this really stupid map.

Show me one place/country in the history of the world that has never been invaded. Even the Native American's came from somewhere else. Spain invaded Mexico..

you forgot france too

i agree

by your stupid ass reasoning of history's precedent then the WHOLE world belongs to Africans.

idiot.

the argument is that americans kind of have no right to claim such a hard ownership of the country. we didn't fill the entire country till 150 years ago. we've only been here for 400 years, that's a minute in recorded history's clock.

Indians, thousands of years. same with the native mexicans, which are the brown people that are apparently ruining our country, they were here for thousands of years before the spaniards.

so if they put up a fence and claimed manifest destiny then it'd be ok for them to shoot us and blame us (based on unfounded rumors and complete lies) for their problems?

be opposed to illegal immigration all you want but don't be stupid just for the sake of vilifying immigrants, learn something before you talk.

What the heck are you talking about?? All I asked was a question about the history of the world and who conquered whom.. Might want to read what a person questions or comments BEFORE responding idiotically to what someone has said.

I'll explain.
I agree with the previous to yours comment, about how we stole the land. you seemed to be shooting down that comment, so i assumed i disagreed with you and I thought your comment about how everyone gets invaded and the thing about the spaniards was a useless and generic comment on your part.

so i commented, then I realize i went on a tangent and a rant that really didn't respond to your comment, so I apologize for everything after "idiot."

it's not nafta.
it's dollars. it doesn't need need much analysis, and it certainly didn't start in the 90's they've been coming over for decades.

it's hard not to laugh at some of your comments sparky, even if they are off the wall.

Call it "SATIRE".

For the most part, that's probably true. But there is a difference between being invaded and driven off your lands and killed in such vast numbers that reclaiming them is impossible. This is how the "superior" European empires treated those who were not as technologically advanced as they were. If native American Indians had a modern standing army when the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, we'd probably still be living in England.

big banks arent as big of a concern as crime and murder spilling over their borders. maybe after they get their border issues cleaned up they can look at lesser problems like the banks. but hey, we have barney frank all over that one already right? apples and oranges my friend.

defined borders is a racist issue?

invasion has been going on since the beginning of mankind. sometimes barbaric sometimes not. the french, the british, the spanish, heck even the muslims. the list goes on and on. do we forever pay reparations?

hey we're all now a big melting pot. the past is past, heal and get over it!

uhh we didnt steal it. europeans did. no one currently alive either conquered or was conquered. get over it. most reasonable folks try and get along but the pc crowd keeps driving a wedge between integration, compassion, and brotherhood. cant we all just get along?

in the case of the spaniards invading mexico, i would say the conquered were more advanced in that sad state of affairs.

My point exactly and who knows how it will be 100 years from now. The US economy may collapse and instead of invaded the "old fashion" way, we could be bought out and called "New China" or something. Even the Native American's invaded each others tribe and assimilated them into their own. It's just one nasty habit the human has...lol

Could be, but we will never know since it didn't happen that way. Who knows what modern weaponry will be available to what country in the future? Just because we are in modern times now, as were the conquerors of their day, doesn't mean history can't repeat itself in the future.

yup, unfortunately its in our inherent nature. that doesnt make it right but eventually one has to move on.

well even a bigger problem than greedy u.s arms sellers is american drug users and addicts. they are the ones truly fueling this war. so essentially its the druggies of this country that are committing the murder on both sides of the border.

someone jumps over my fence to commit a crime i'm shooting first asking questions later. is that vigilantism?

You're opposed to them stopping armed drug/human traffickers? Umm....why?

You and I both know that within two months (at the very least) is going to turn into a "who can kill the most mexicans" contest. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that there is a semi-noble reason behind this, but this Arizona we're talking about.

You know that a lot of anti-illegal groups have people of Mexican descent.
The border patrol agents also have a large percentage of them as well.

I'm fully aware of both pieces of information. What seems to be lost is the fact that Arizona is, at least as far as I can tell, a powder keg of racial and jingoistic tension. Just because Mexicans are on both sides doesn't mean that race doesn't play a part in this.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I really think that there will be restraint and control shown by these people. If there's not, well that's what the governmental oversight they're talking about is for. But honestly, I think you're over dramatizing the issue a lot. If the people behind this were really of the "let's go kill us a bunch of mexicans" variety, do you really think they'd be so upfront about their desire to form a militia and have oversight from the government? Of course they wouldn't. They're going about this in a very rational manner. Not everyone who wants to curb illegal boarder crossing is a gun-toting, racist lunatic like so many people would like us to believe.

I'm aware of that too, it's just that I know this will attract the "lets kill mexicans" crowd. Who knows, maybe the government can keep them under control, but tell me one time when someone is given legal power over someone, especially the power to kill, and the ones who recieve power haven't abused it.

you are against protecting american citizens from imported crime?

wow, must be that mexican ganja talkin. and you dont think arizona who is suffering most from this problem shouldnt be the ones to decide whats best for their own state? apparently the citizenry feel compelled to elect officials willing to tackle these issues. everyone else should butt out.

nor does it mean that it does

hey johnny, one of the most reasonable and sensible comments on this post. voted up!

+^d

Only about as much as you want to kill of Latin American people.

I'm just giving my opinion on this. Also, just a request, can I get a response that's better than "shut up, stupidhead"? That is if do get one.

Thanks!

Thank you!

like the typical lib youre misquoting not only what i said but also the facts

where on earth did you get that idea? as usual you sound like a typical leftylib who makes shit up when youre on the losing end of an argument. btw, i'm only in favor of killing the bad ones.

Just a question, how could I be losing an argument when all you've given as your argument are something thats seems to have came from a bumper sticker, a command to "butt out", and a couple of attacks for being a liberal? You know what, don't bother answering, its just going to end up being embarrassing for the both of us.

as a lib you should be used to it and again youre putting false words in my mouth. for someone who makes shit up to make a point youll be the only one worthy of embarrassment.

we can only pray it is

I'd much rather know that America will be like Arizona than Califuckingfornia.

we agree on this. ( militias,...and "what it means" in the constitution. )
actually, you and I agree on a lot of things,.....but differ STRONGLY on others.

Obama citizenship is one of those " differ" points.

But "militia",.....I think MOST of the public is out of touch with the root definition of that.

TOWNS can have militias,....and "WELL REGULATED" referred to TOWN level regulation.

examples -

AUSTIN,....could have a militia,....not "owned" by the State or fed
Detroit,......could have a militia,...not "owned" by the State or fed

...........and so could WACO,....constitutionally,.....or even a 'compound' in Waco

The "individual" right to bear arms, that the "anti-gun" folks want to struggle so doggedly over the definition/terminology of,.....is a FAR CRY FROM, the intent of the founding fathers and the cultural line THEY meant to draw !

The damn "black -pathers" are ALLOWED to be armed,.....AND DRILL !

This is a nation bassed on the principle of "cutting deals to get by",....not one "de clawed, de fanged" .

+^d . . . .( because there is now way to "1/2" +^ )

actually, I don't pretend to have an opinion on his citizenship, I think he should show all his records. EVen Chris Matthews agrees.

Obama would have to show his birth certificate to participate, which he won't do, so he would be disqualified.

All that is REQUIRED to enter the FBI, CIA, even the Military. How can it be that he doesn't have to show a REAL birth certificate to become President?

What I suspect is that he WAS born here, but either there is something that could undermine his "natural born citizen" status (if he had claimed to be a foreign citizen as an adult, for example), or something very embarrassing that would interefere with re-election.

Either way, we have a right to know.

Wikileaks, get to work!

and i'll fight proudly by your side. voted up!

maybe if you keep spending your hard earned dollars on mexican drugs the problem will continue to increase thus justifying your position. a win win!

i only buy american drugs!! cough syrup for the win!!

and i'm proud of you for it!