WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to Us
source: http://www.alternet.org/story/149393/wikileaks_most_terrifying_revelation:_just_how_much_our...
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January 3, 2011
Do you believe that it is in Americans' interest to allow a small group of U.S. leaders to unilaterally murder, maim, imprison and/or torture anyone they choose anywhere in the world, without the knowledge let alone oversight of their citizens or the international community? And, despite their proven record of failure to protect America -- from Indochina to Iran to Iraq -- do you believe they should be permitted to clandestinely expand their war-making without informed public debate? If so, you are betraying the principles upon which America was founded, endangering your nation, and displaying a distinctly "unamerican" subservience to unaccountable authority. But if you oppose autocratic power, you are called to support Wikileaks and others trying to limit U.S. Executive Branch mass murder abroad and failure to protect Americans at home.
These two issues became officially linked for the first time when former U.S. Afghan commander General Stanley McChrystal explicitly stated that the murder of civilians increases rather than decreases the numbers of those committed to killing Americans, and actually implemented policies -- since reversed by General Petraeus -- to reduce U.S. murder of civilians. McChrystal said that “for every innocent person you kill, you create 10 new enemies." By so doing he made it clear that killing civilians is not only a moral and war crimes issue, but -- in today's interdependent world -- also threatens U.S. national security.
As important as is the issue of free speech, it is the question of whether the U.S. Executive is in fact protecting the American people through its mass murder abroad that really lies at the heart of the Wikileaks controversy. Executive Branch officials justify persecuting and threatening to murder Assange on the grounds that he has damaged U.S. "national security." If McChrystal is right, however, it is the past decade of U.S. Executive mass murder in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, now revealed beyond any doubt by Wikileaks, that is the real threat to U.S. national security.
The chilling fact is this: whether you believe that September 11, 2001 was due to incomprehensible fanaticism or genuine grievances, it seems likely that U.S. leaders’ murder of countless Muslims since 2001 will cause the next 9/11 should, God forbid, it occur, The recent suicide-bomber in Sweden who came perilously close to succeeding taped a message saying "so will your children, daughters, brothers, and sisters die, like our brothers, sisters, and children die." Similar sentiments were voiced by the Times Square bomber, and it is likely that those responsible for future American deaths will also be motivated by revenge for the hundreds of thousands of Muslims for whose deaths U.S. leaders are responsible since 2001.
This is not, of course, to justify such attacks. Any attacks on civilians, whether by the Taliban or General Petraeus, are totally unjustified and crimes of war. But if the issue is how best to enhance U.S. national security, it is critical to rationally discuss the most prudent and sensible means of preventing further attacks -- which in this case is to stop creating huge numbers of people who want to kill Americans. If General McChrystal is correct, every American should tremble at the long-term danger to America caused by the last decade of U.S. war-making in the Muslim world. If only 1/100th of 1% of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims are moved to want to attack America because of America's post-9/11 killing of Muslim civilians, for example, the U.S. Executive will have created a pool of 160,000 Muslims devoted to murdering Americans.
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maasanova
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Interesting that Wikileaks forgot to tell the world that it wasn't the Muslims that did 9/11
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maasanova
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gerardange
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maasanova:
There is much more to go... This is like a movie with a dramatic " Grand Finally"
in time the truth "will" come out... We will make sure of that.Give it the time it's due... The movie is being shown right now...
- 1 year ago
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gerardange
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maasanova
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gerardange:
Anyone who has researched the official 9/11 government narrative and viewed the news reports and evidence that the 9/11 Commission ignored, knows full well the the official story is complete bullshit.
The reason why I bring this up is because of Julian Assange's very questionable comments on 9/11:
“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”
Julian Assange - Belfast Telegraph, July 19, 2010
Don't get sucked into more false hope is all I'm saying.
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maasanova
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gerardange
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maasanova:
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An Interesting and valid comment... Looking at the big picture here... I suspect that Julian didn't want to get painted into that conspiracy wacko conner. He must be very careful not to take the bait and fall into a trap... Which, is a clear goal of people who would like to discredit him and remove any and all validity to the substance of what he is saying. By not falling into that trap... he can continue to move forward and continue to present even more reveling documents.In the Media business that is how it works... You and be Front Page News today and No Page News tomorrow... Strategy is everything in this business ! Knowing that there are many who want to torpedo him and set even more traps... Considering the enormous pressure of being in the spotlight, Julian is doing an excellent job in that area.
A great article to check out is...
. "Julian Assange's Deal With the Devil" >>> http://ow.ly/3z8j4Maasanove, back to your question... I think we can conclude that his statement was like playing a chess match... Not showing all your cards and planning your moves far ahead... That is the sign of a master strategist. As the great boxer Mohamed Ail would say... "He is doing a rope-a-dope" and waiting until, everything is in place and is just right.
These a very historic times we are living in... The Truth shall set us all free!
One thing I do know is... the truth... is always the truth... No matter what the official BS
PR line is... or what anyone says it is.
Be well,
G - 1 year ago
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gerardange
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Itsbatman_Durr
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maasanova:
no it was terrorists that happened to claim to be muslims
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Itsbatman_Durr
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maasanova:
maybe because even a publicity whore like assange has issues with being thought of as a nutter
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Itsbatman_Durr
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maasanova
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Itsbatman_Durr:
Funny thing is that 9/11 was a massive financial, insurance and health care scandal and criminal cover-up, whether you believe it was Muslim terrorists who bombed the WTC and a American real estate mogul with deep ties to the Israeli government, who just happeneed to collect billions in insurance payouts, or whether it was some other outside group who helped enrich Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC complex.
You figure that one out.
Yet Assange says there was no conspiracy with 9/11.
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maasanova
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Itsbatman_Durr
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maasanova:
yes yes its all ok.. take deep breaths and go to your happy place now
i tease, but cmon already there is nothing to back any of that up but the wish to align every random event one can into a conspiracy to explain lifes random chaos
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Itsbatman_Durr
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EvilDoer
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gerardange:
well said. my appreciation for what PFC Manning and Julian Assange did continues to grow.
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EvilDoer
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maasanova
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gerardange:
Wikileaks has "leaked" information that has suggested that we found WMD in Iraq and Osama bin Laden is still alive, when all of the tapes since November 2001 have been declared faked, and several different authoritative sources has reported that he died in December 2001.
Wikileaks just "leaked" another cable that said that Iranian rockets can reach Israel in just 12 minutes.
Wikileaks is peddling THE SAME DISINFORMATION ABOUT WEAPONS THAT CAN ALLEGEDLY STRIKE ISAREL, that the mainstream media claimed in 2003 about Iraq firing missles that can hit Israel.
Jewish Telegraph Agency (JTA)
WikiLeaks: Iran can reach Israel in 12 minutes
January 2, 2011http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/01/02/2742380/wikileaks-iran-can-reach-isra...
Iran has missiles that can reach Israel in 12 minutes, according to cables released by WikiLeaks.
The Times of London
Rocket that could strike at the heart of Israel
February 26, 2003http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1112989.ece
THE missile at the centre of the looming showdown between Iraq and the United Nations may be part of an ambitious secret project to develop a much longer-range missile that could hit Tehran or Tel Aviv, UN and independent missile experts believe.
So, either Assange is an idiot, or playing for the other side or someone is leaking bogus information to Wikileaks.
My guess is that it is a combination of all three.
Either way, the mainstream media is using Wikileaks to promote a pro-war agenda, which means more killing in Iran based on the same information that was claimed about Iraq: fake weapons of mass destruction that will allegedly strike Israel.
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maasanova
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maasanova:
Wikileaks is just passing on the cables. Obviously they are full of misinformation because that is the nature of manufacturing world consensus. Showing the existents of this misinformation is the point of releasing the cables. The real truth still needs to be sorted out.
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treewolf39
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Tyr
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maasanova:
So unless he draws the same conclusion as you about 9/11 he is part of the conspiracy? Wow...You have so much more more knowledge than so many of us...please
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Tyr
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KSirys
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The Great US of A lying to us?? noooooo..... that can't be!
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KSirys
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gerardange
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KSirys:
Oh,,, I needed a good laugh... Ha hah !! ( okay, thank you)
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gerardange
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JohnA
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The government lies to us. This is news?
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JohnA
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gerardange
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JohnA:
IT SHOULD BE EXACTLY THAT! "NEWS"
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gerardange
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Tyr
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I like his style
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Tyr
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Tyr
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Like jack Nicholson said.." The truth?! You cant handle the truth!" I'm inclined to believe there is validity in that line from the movie.
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Tyr
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treewolf39
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Tyr:
Bullshit. Some may not WANT to handle the truth, but most of the human race despises being lied to and make better choices with correct information instead of half truths and bald face lying.
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treewolf39
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KSirys
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treewolf39:
voted up!
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KSirys
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gerardange
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Tyr:
it's not the issue ~ if you can handle the truth or, not... But, the real issue here is... "Secrecy"... Secrecy that also hides deep corruption and also very ugly things... As is the case today. If you want to know why so many people hate americans out there? Then maybe maybe we all should have a good LOOK what is being hidden! See what corruption and what evil things are being done in our names.
The funny thng is.... most of the world already sees and knows what is going on...
The funny thng is.. the "Secrecy is directed at its own citizens.That is NOT a Democracy, that is Fascism.
The TRUTH is not good for Business...
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gerardange
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Tyr
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treewolf39:
ok here is some truth for you. the people in the pentagon and the policy makers in Washington don't really give a damn about what a bunch of jerk offs in a website have to say to begin with, next is the fact that this game is played out at a level internationally that you can't begin to grasp...in other words you, I and all the rest are absolutely powerless in these matters...yes there can be times of embarrassments such as the wikileaks but do you actually believe that it makes a bit of difference in the implementation of any policy or decisions being made? If so let me know the next time you see the tooth fairy.
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Tyr
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gerardange:
Secrecy is what makes the world go around..when you go in to buy a new car do you reveal exactly the top dollar you are willing to pay or do you keep that to yourself? In a game of poker do you let everyone at the table know what your hand is? Think about it no successful individual or business is transparent. Should we reveal to the taliban the flight plan of the drones? Should the Marines post in all the nations newspapers their battle plans and strategies? You know after all the American public has a right to know every detail of everything that is done on the battle field, right?.... Give me a fucking break.
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Tyr
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treewolf39
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Tyr:
I AM a tooth fairy! I am sorry you feel so inadequate. If you believe small then you are small. I, on the other hand, Am TNT:]
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treewolf39
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gerardange
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Tyr:
You have are missing the point here.. Your comparison to buying a car and not saying what you paid for it... and you also mentioned Battlefield logistics? iThat is NOT what we are talking about here?
We are talking about crimes and about corruption of the few with the privilege of Security .... It is not about the troops or about logistics or the Taliban.
It is NOT about .... THEM vs. US
or.... US vs, THEM !
IT IS 100% All ABOUT... US vs. US.
About and how fraud and crimes are being committed under the cloak of national security and Secrecy... How that secrecy is being abused!!!! How some people are personally using secrecy to defraud and rip- off Billions from our country in secret back rooms deals getting rich as, Marines are risking their lives....
That's what the heart of the topic is here. Not... what you are saying.
Thank you for your comment.
GA
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gerardange
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Tyr
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treewolf39:
Since you have arrived at conclusions about me that have no basis in any knowledge of me I must conclude that you opinion of yourself is equally ill informed.
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Tyr
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Tyr
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gerardange:
Ok perhaps I am missing the point, get back to me when there are any changes in human nature as a result of some individual "discovering" and then revealing that bribes are paid, that we do business with corrupt regimes, and that George Washington did indeed tell lies as well as every secretary of state and president since then.
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Tyr
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gerardange
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Tyr:
Your welcome...
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gerardange
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treewolf39
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Tyr:
I was thinking of you last night at dinner. I was talking to a man who will be part of the new Governor of Oregon's economic team. I have no opinion of you and my comment was not meant as an insult. Just trying to point out that anyone can choose to have their voice heard. The powerful are only human.
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treewolf39
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dudefromtherock
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and this is a surprise to some people?! The American Gov. has been a purveyor of lies and evil since the death of JFK. You need a revolution.
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dudefromtherock
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ras_menelik
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WikiLeaks: Israel said would keep Gaza near collapse
Published: 01.05.11, 12:53 / Israel NewsIsrael told US officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza's economy "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis, according to US diplomatic cables published by a Norwegian daily on Wednesday.
Three cables cited by the Aftenposten newspaper, which has said it has all 250,000 US cables leaked to WikiLeaks, showed that Israel kept the US embassy in Tel Aviv briefed on its internationally criticised blockade of the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) - 1 year ago
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Paratus
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Did we really need Wikileaks to tell us this? After years of listening to government b.s. I just assume they are lying whenever they open their mouth. It's a credibility thing.
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Paratus
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treewolf39
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Paratus:
So we should do nothing and pretend it does not matter? YES we fucking need Wikileaks and we need too change our government so that they get exposed MUCH sooner for being broken tools.
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treewolf39
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gerardange
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Paratus:
WE NEED TO DEMAND THE TRUTH... Remember, They work for US.
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gerardange
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gerardange
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treewolf39:
Wikileaks has done nothing more than what our real Press & Media should have been doing if they were really doing their most important constitutional roll of exposing government corruption... OUR MEDIA TODAY...have stopped doing the investigative work because, the large media organizations have been bought-out and controlled by big Corporate Giants and Defense Contractors. All the the Major Media & Press are TOLD WHAT NOT TO DO! Mainstream news Print & TV in our country is a disaster! It they were Reporting the Real News as they should of been doing and not the NON-NEWS like they are doing so well today... Then Wikileaks would have had nothing to leak.
Wikileaks is the Cannary in the coal mine waring all of us that we have a huge problem. Wikileaks is nothing more that that.
A WAKE-UP CALL:
WE all need to realize the tipping point here... That our lives as we have know them today... will get much, much worse if the Corrupt Corporate US Government = Representing Halliburton, Bank Of America Project for a New American Century and other Corrupt Corporate business entities...moves forward with their plan to prosecute Julian Assange... THAT IS THE TIPPING POINT!
If that come to pass as it is looking that it is.... I for one will be out in the streets...
" I will not continue to allow the corruption of my government to destroy the freedoms granted to us under our constitution and, for them to continue to do evil things in My Name!
I have drawn my line in the sand... How about you too drawing you line too.
That time is very, very close at hand ~ maybe even weeks away.
If you blink your eyes it not going to go away... it is going to get worse.
It is not business as usual any more.
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gerardange
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gerardange
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Paratus:
that is not the point...
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gerardange
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treewolf39
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gerardange:
I am not sure where my line is but it is getting close. I have a young daughter (6) and she needs be to be present not locked up for peaceful protest. Her mother is one of the sheep. She misrepresented herself to me and I listened. Now I am sure that teaching our children with love and purpose IS more important then one more head or month yelling the truth to deaf rich want-to-bees.
My feelings on this subject are in constant flux and the ass-wipes running the show could tip the scales for direct action at anytime. I hear congress is working up a shield law to use to prosecute Julian. I think we need to be real loud with our Representatives; repeating YOUR comment to me. +^'d
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treewolf39
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Paratus
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treewolf39:
I am really trying to figure out how you reach the conclusion that I say we should do nothing. Did you read what I said or did you confuse my post with another?? Why I even respond to crap like this I don't know. I guess I am not yet tired of beating my head against the wall. RE-read the post genius. Your conclusions are not in there.
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Paratus
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Paratus
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gerardange:
I agree 1,000%. Been telling them that for years.
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Paratus
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Paratus
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gerardange:
Whatever. What are you trying to say. My point is that when they open their mouth my first tendency is to not believe them (that would be the government).
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Paratus
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gerardange
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treewolf39:
Every one of us... can choose to either do something good and, do something positive...
or, to fall victim to apathy... Regardless of who you are, or where you are, the best thing that any person can do is set a good example... for others to follow and, look up to.Are enemy is apathy.
We are all capable of doing Great things.
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gerardange
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treewolf39
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Paratus:
Did we really need Wikileaks to tell us this?
I was just passionately responding to your question; genius.
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treewolf39
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bailey78
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I have desided that if it is on main strean news then it is a lie. The more they push it the bigger the lie. The only time it's not a lie is when We get bombed but I'm sure the are adding to it some how even then. That or they are leaveing something out. Which is just lying by omission. Either way they are not to be trusted by any free thinker.
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bailey78
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bailey78:
Indeed.
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s_peak
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jubal
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Agreed 100% Wikileaks is keeping the war machine on notice.
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jubal