Politicians and candidates inciting violence need to take responsibility
source: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_349e18b8-ec64-5fd7-b347-...
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http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_3...
Excerpt from this Arizona paper:"all guns, all the time
GOP candidates are outdoing themselves trying to woo the gun lobby these days, particularly over in Congressional District 8. Republican hopefuls Andy Goss and Brian Miller have raffled off weapons to raise money. Jonathan Paton is boasting the support of Tucson attorney and gun-rights activist Sandy Froman. District 26 House candidate Terri Proud posed with a group of women holding firearms.
Jesse Kelly, meanwhile, doesn't seem to be bothered in the least by the Sarah Palin controversy earlier this year, when she released a list of targeted races in crosshairs, urging followers to "reload" and "aim" for Democrats. Critics said she was inciting violence.
He seems to be embracing his fellow tea partier's idea. Kelly's campaign event website has a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: "Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."
The event costs $50."
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"Reload" and "aim" at Democrats? How the hell do you think some people who live in a gun culture are going to take such words?
Matters not your politics, this type of inciting is not indicative of what American politics should be about. And whether the shooter or shooters involved in the tragedy in Arizona yesterday in which a Federal judge and a child, repeat, A CHILD were murdered along with others as well as the attempted assasination of a US Congresswoman were part of any such organization or not, to say such inciting cannot send someone over the top to actually turning those words into action is naive at best. I am ashamed as an American to see where the political debates in this country have gone.
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Paratus
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Good idea. Shall we start with Obama inciting violence?
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projectmayhem
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Jan you still copying and pasting? Still trying to pass as an expert in subjects you don't know anything about other than what you get off biased websites? You still having to resort to stealing movie quotes like off kate and leopold? Do you do anything that is original? For all your knowledge about world events, have you ever even left the US or even your state for that matter?
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projectmayhem
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I think that your looking at this the wrong way. The tea partiers that brought guns to there events did not bring them for intimidation. They brought them to prove that responsible citizens can bear arms and participate in political activities peacefully. And considering that noone who brought a gun to one of those events shot anyone proves that bearing arms in such a fashion, by responsible citizens, is possible. As for her opponent's ad, we simply lack evidence that he was inspired by it. Even if he was inspired by these ads, I think it would be wrong to craft politics around lunatics.
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200131294:
excellent points all!! ^'d
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projectmayhem
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Jan you still copying and pasting? Still trying to pass as an expert in subjects you don't know anything about other than what you get off biased websites? You still having to resort to stealing movie quotes like off kate and leopold? Do you do anything that is original? For all your knowledge about world events, have you ever even left the US or even your state for that matter?
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JanforGore
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
To be honest with you I try to stay out of political discussions, but yesterday when I found the listing for that event this Jesse Kelly had announced it chilled me. This is not where the discourse should be going and I would hope if anything comes from this tragedy it would be for those in public office or running for it to understand that words can have consequences.
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JanforGore
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
Hey don't retreat Hypocrite that's taking high ground, RELOAD!
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
Really! I looked back at the discussion you and I were having yesterday (I'm sure people got a kick out of it) and you started calling me a dumb ass, before I retaliated with slant head. So don't try to hide behind I am rather consistent, when just a while ago you even went so far to pull up old comments of mine to prove what? Your just as guilty in deflecting and interjecting ramped up rhetoric.
http://current.com/news/92911640_republican-rhetoric-right-wing-terror.htm - 2 years ago
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
From what I have read about your thoughts on this subject and your presumed idea of my mental status and then calling me a loser and a dumb-shit and then (Get this folks) you flag me. I think you have a mental issue and should immediately seek professional Mental health care! And by the way, you are wrong on this subject.
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
Speaking of mental heath....that CRAZY libertarian fits well! Seek mental health soon! Cause it says it all, right in the middle of your stage name!
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kennymotown
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I am by no means a Sarah Palin political fan, but it is CRAZY to blame her or any other pro Gun candidate for what this NUT did.
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Radical_Centrist:
I don't see any blame in this thread and if you take a look at the title it says "politicians" and "candidates." I think these peoples' actions speak for themselves however in generating a toxic political discourse they need to take more responsibility for considering where it could possibly lead, which is the point. This was used as a reference because he did run against Ms Giffords, and during the campaign her office was vandalized, her windows broken and she was the target of death threats and harrassment. Are you saying that is OK? Regardless of the ultimate reasons for her being shot by this young man who is clearly unstable, I don't think so. If you can find a Democratic candidate who campaigned in the same way, then by all means post their campaign events telling people to come fire an M16 with them.
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JanforGore
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JanforGore:
There are LOTS of crazy people in the World. What sets one off might pacify another.
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Radical_Centrist:
That doesn't answer my question to you regarding what I referenced.
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Radical_Centrist:
There's a saying I learned a long time ago, "No single raindrop is responsible for the flood". It's not any one person or statement but the effect of all the snide, smug, bigoted and hateful statements added up that creates a supercharged atmosphere of hatred. In this respect Palin,bears a portion of the responsibility for what happened. Just as Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, and all the other talking bobble heads who spew bigotry and hatred then wash their hands of any responsibility when something like this happens.
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Radical_Centrist:
Any politician should express their views without using incendiary descriptive language like "lock and load, cross hairs," and numerous others that resonate to gun owners.
America has always been a very violent country and these idiots who say anything need to not shout fire in a theater. - 2 years ago
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Radical_Centrist:
Hey, don't retreat reload!
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JanforGore
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Please don't feed the trolls.
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Should Al Gore be arrested for inciting eco-terrorist hate-crimes?
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/should-al-gore-be-arrested-for-inc...
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Hey, don't retreat RELOAD!
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JanforGore
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0111/Mother_of_9yearold_Stop_the_hatre...
Mother of nine year old girl killed spoke today on MSNBC. This is painful to listen to.
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JanforGore
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Chupallama
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Irresponsible people rarely take responsibility for their actions. They're good at blaming though.
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Incredulous
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pathetic politicians and disgusting apathy=where we are today
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Incredulous:
So true and so sad. And what does this atmosphere do for those young people who truly may want to go into politics to actually make a difference? Seeing the vitriol on all sides (but let's face it primarily on the part of certain Republicans) and their media minions in their service, it isn't hard to see why so many stay clear of it.
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JanforGore
