Obama lays blow to closing Guantanamo
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110108/pl_nm/us_obama_guantanamo_detainees
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Making plain he would fight to repeal language in the law obstructing civilian U.S. trials for Guantanamo terrorism suspects, Obama said he was left with no choice but to sign the defense authorization act for fiscal 2011.
"Despite my strong objection to these provisions, which my administration has consistently opposed, I have signed this act because of the importance of authorizing appropriations for, among other things, our military activities in 2011," Obama said in a statement.
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Obama has vowed to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which has drawn international condemnation for the treatment of detainees, but has met stiff resistance at home.
The bill includes sections blocking funding for the transfer of suspects from the Guantanamo prison to the United States. It also restricts the use of funds to ship them to other countries, unless specified conditions are met.
"The prosecution of terrorists in federal court is a powerful tool in our efforts to protect the nation and must be among the options available to us," Obama said. "Any attempt to deprive the executive branch of that tool undermines our nation's counterterrorism efforts."
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said the legislation Obama signed into law showed there was overwhelming bipartisan opposition to bringing Guantanamo detainees to the United States for trial and detention.
"When it comes to terrorism, we should err on the side of protecting the American people," McConnell said in a statement.
The provisions expire on September 30, at the end of the current fiscal year. What happens at that point depends on what Congress decides on defense authorization.
Until then, the law will make it very difficult for the Obama administration to pursue criminal trials for terrorism suspects, including the self-professed mastermind of the September 11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who had been slated to face a trial in New York.
FIGHT FOR REPEAL
"My administration will work with the Congress to seek repeal of these restrictions, will seek to mitigate their effects, and will oppose any attempt to extend or expand them in the future," said Obama, who pledged during his 2008 presidential campaign to close Guantanamo.
There are still 174 detainees at the Guantanamo prison and about three dozen were set for prosecution in either U.S. criminal courts or military commissions. Republicans have demanded the trials be held at Guantanamo.
In a May 2009 speech, Obama said there was a need for "prolonged detention" for some terrorism suspects who could not be tried but posed a threat to security.
U.S. officials say trials are not possible in some cases because evidence was obtained through torture or is classified.
(Additional reporting by Jeremy Pelofsky; Editing by Peter Cooney)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110108/pl_nm/us_obama_guantanamo_detainees
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techaman
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i cant comment...
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techaman
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Proud_Progressive
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techaman:
Thanks for that.
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Proud_Progressive
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Vierotchka
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Reluctantly is the operative word.
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Vierotchka
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Proud_Progressive
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Vierotchka:
Actually, I think the operative word is "signs."
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Proud_Progressive
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Debra_
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Again, there is no reason not to agree with President Obama. Trials are silly procedural formalities. The terrorists would just be convicted and sent back to prison anyway. Holding terrorists indefinitely is necessary for our projection. Terrorism being the ever lurking threat just behind the corners of the street the world trade center stood on.
You people don't understand the pressing security needs of the modern state.
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Debra_
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Nephwrack
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Debra_:
and you have no understanding of freedom or justice.
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Nephwrack
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Debra_:
lol oh deb for awhile i couldnt decide if you were sincere and misinformed or just a troll. and now i know. =)
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Debra_
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Nephwrack:
I am realist and practical. The dangerous times call for political flexibility, not political dogma.
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Itsbatman_Durr:
I have no nice words for you either. But I will not sink to your level of childish insults.
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Debra_
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Debra_:
Trials are indeed silly and unnecessary.
Except for, you know, all those innocent people we've detained. Aside from that, it's a smashing policy.
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Proud_Progressive
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Stoneyroad
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As long as we are not sexually abusing the prisoners anymore I don't care where they are held.
But we don't need a special place on foreign soil to hold detanies in legal limbo. The one thing America is still #1 at is putting people in jail.But for some reason the home of the brave started screaming "not in my back yard" at the idea of moving the detainees to U.S. Prisons.
Well I literally have a county jail in my back yard, I watch the murderers, rapists & drug dealers play basketball on a rooftop court everyday, and nobody took the feelings of the public into consideration when they built it.
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Stoneyroad
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NickerBocker09
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Veto veto veto
If theres that much bipartisan support as Mickey mouse mcdonnel says then they would override his veto.
Cmon Barack fight a lil.
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Nephwrack
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NickerBocker09:
i know right?
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Nephwrack
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toyotabedzrock
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This is why the Rich tax cuts will be permanent, he has no backbone to just say no.
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toyotabedzrock:
Maybe because he's rich... like all tyrants.
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shanklinmike
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How is that hope and change thing working out for you. 2 trillion to the banks and car industry. This guy has given more to special intrest than Bush could have ever dreamed of. HE gets a pass because he is a democrat, because if bush did half of this shit there would have been riots in the street by all the hemp sandal protesters. WArs coming to an end.... not. gitmo... not. good job guys you voted a real winner in. When your ready for real change let me know.
RONPAUL 2012
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oppressed1
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MizzErin
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This is a consistent display of our current administration refusing to pull up their sleeves and FIGHT back there is no point to making a stand if you are not going to fight for it when the chips are down! The entire facility is a disgrace to America and makes us look like two faced fools!
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MizzErin:
Amen girlfriend
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Nephwrack
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i have a feeling that there are things the detainees want to say that the US does not want anyone to hear. i agree with itsbatman. stop blaming the king for the rat in your whopper.
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Nephwrack
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Nephwrack:
I don't understand what detainees wanting to say something has to do with Obama continuing GITMO.
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shanklinmike
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Nephwrack
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shanklinmike:
(facepalm)
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Nephwrack
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shanklinmike
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Nephwrack:
Can you please explain in a mature fashion? What makes it different than any other oligarch in power?
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shanklinmike:
(facepalm)
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shanklinmike:
take a few seconds and think about it. the people keeping gitmo open are fucking evil. you of all people should agree. blaming the president is rather silly. he's basically a figurehead. unless you believe that the president should abuse his power like bush did.
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Nephwrack:
Nice one
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amejohns
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Nephwrack:
You give Obama way too much trust... he is not here for you dude.
(Facepalm) if you think so....
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TheAmericanPatriot
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Nephwrack:
Who signed it?
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Itsbatman_Durr
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its more of the same folks. stop wasting time looking to the figurehead for help, or trying to blame him for your travails. its not ronald mcdonalds fault you got a shitty cheeseburger, its the system that allows for it. the powers behind the politics that give you your little elections and 2 party system so that you feel like you have a choice, a say in how you are ruled.
news flash.. you arent and you dont. we are consumers and workers that is all, a mass entity being manipulated by the banks and corporations. until we realize that and fight them, the rest is just spinning our wheels. its pro wrestling without the entertainment value.. bread and circuses.
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Itsbatman_Durr:
and the banks and governments only get their power from coercion.
We should progress towards a voluntary society where institutionalized violence (statism) is abolished. End politics once and for all, just like we ended slavery.
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Itsbatman_Durr
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shanklinmike:
ugh i feel like i need to reevaluate my thinking when you agree with me, i must be on the wrong track lol
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Incredulous
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Itsbatman_Durr:
wait....are you saying pro wrestling is entertaining?
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Incredulous
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Incredulous:
YES I AM!! lol dont make me lay the smack down on your rooty poo candy ass if you SMELLLLL WHAT THE BAT IS COOOKIN'!!
my other half cracks up that i insisted on making a wrestling section part of opensourceworld.us lol she is like great politics ecology and wrestling.. why not call it lets all scream at each other dot com lol
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
lol he said nexus
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Itsbatman_Durr:
time to put down the blue monster
back away from the can....slowly now.
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Incredulous:
you can take my blue monster.. when you pry it from my cold dead hand!!
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Itsbatman_Durr:
Do you believe gravity is real? Good, so do I....don't reevaluate that just because I agree with you... ;)
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Itsbatman_Durr
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shanklinmike:
lol actually about that gravity thing, i kinda think its an illusion, and the world just sucks
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
i cant wait til wade barrett runs for office on the anti john cena platform, demanding more transparency because 'u cant see him'
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Itsbatman_Durr
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
Seriously, that is a little ironic. I just spoke about politics and wrestling a few days ago in my 180 in 180 segment.
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Itsbatman_Durr:
ok, I concede....that was pretty funny.
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Itsbatman_Durr
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
michael cole and vickie guerrero can be the glenn beck and sarah palin ticket
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Itsbatman_Durr
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Incredulous
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"When it comes to terrorism, we should err on the side of protecting the American people," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement."
Well they got the "err" part right, but I am growing incressingly nauseated by Big Brother and his big-money-making plans to 'protect' the American people.
Do the Repugnants actually think we still believe this BS?
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Incredulous
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Incredulous:
What do the republicans have to do with this thread?!? I am not a republican and I could care less what that violent statist McConnell has to say....
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike:
hey, I just quoted the article....it's all the same rhetoric, part of the art of selling warfare.
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Incredulous
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Incredulous:
Gotcha, peace. I just get tired of partisan hacks that seem to be crawling around here defending one oligarch over the other....
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shanklinmike
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Sparky2U
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Obama can't sign a death warrant for a Muslim. If US Courts had convicted them to death he was covered. A federal Judge would sign such an order. Don't expect anything to happen at GITMO.
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Sparky2U
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trut
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I would be surprised if Obama did anything decent. He doesn't care.
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trut
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ed2point0
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Why am I not surprised?
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