Repeal Health Care? Give up Yours First!

If you want to work, you want a sense of accomplishment and being able to provide for yourself, then why do you want me to pay for your health care?

John I am going to reply to you even though by reading through your comments I can honestly say I don't think you know how to listen. I have paid for my own health insurance and medical bills since I aged out of my parents insurance. I worked and worked; even after Dr's threatened to hospitalize me because I was so ill. Illness doesn't care what your political views are; anyone could wake up tomorrow in the exact position I'm in now. And by the way, you are not the only one contributing to the system. You are one of millions, and you live in a representative republic. That is how the health care bill was voted into being in the first place. By subsidizing health care we keep hospitals open, people employed, and have much less massive overall debt. We all use social programs, ever hear of public school. And I really doubt that your actively trying to get rid of your local fire department, which is also payed for by your taxes. People like you really make me sad, you seem very angry.

It is good that we live in a representative republic. Thanks to that over 60 of the assholes that voted for Obamacare are no longer representatives. Hopefully the rest will take heed before they think again to vote for a bill the American people don't want.

Our system before the health reform let the free loaders who can afford insurance go to the emergency room and get attended to and do not pay for the services. The supplies and the doctors and nurses have to be paid by someone. That someone is us who buys insurance. Our insurance rises. This new program forces the freeloaders to buy their own insurance instead for leeching off society. If they are too poor they can get a little help. They must prove that they are poor. Freeloaders will not be able to say they are poor and not be able to prove it. here is a good 30 sec video on that subject and others. http://www.lifeforcevid.com/DENY%20THE%20PEOPLE.WMV

As long as my tax dollars are paying for it, right? Go get a job and get your own insurance why do I have to be involved? Oh yeah, because I'm the only one contributing anything!

well actually everyone should contribute, but i appreciate your concerns. do you not feel everyone should in the least receive some sort of basic health coverage? or do you feel that its every person for themselves?

Ha! God, you're such an asshole! You are not the only one paying in. And I highly doubt that you speak for "the American people"!

There was a poll taken of the American people last November 2nd. It showed their sentiments pretty well. I believe your own Blanche Lincoln was one given a pink slip for her vote on the health "reform" act. I don't speak for them, they spoke for themselves, quite clearly.

I am not in favor of people left to die, as my friends on the left would paint me. I am against big government, government regulations and mandates, the government intruding into my life and my paycheck, none of which will make anyone healthier. It's not about health care, it's about the government who have proven to be inept at anything they touch taking further control over your decisions and your money. I don't have all the answers, but I do know more bureacrats and higher taxes are not the answer, to anything.

People like you see the problem as Government and your Deep distrust of government is your escuse for Ignoring the problems with our healthcare system. You Hate government soo much that you are willing to allow insurance companies that Only care about profits to controle healtcare for millions and you are Blinded by your distrust of government. You try to say "it's Not about Healthcare, it's about government" but you could Not be more WRONG! It IS about Healthcare, for MILLIONS. This is a Social issue that will NEVER be solved by For Profit Companies!
Yes, there is waste in government, there is also Waste in the private sector. There are also Criminals making profits in the private sector at the expense of the public, and that includes You. Private insurance cost Much more than government healthcare would cost you but you are willing to pay the Big bucks to private companies for you healthcare that they can Deny to you just to increase their bottom line, so the issue is Not the cost, though Many people think that their healthcare is cheaper because their company pays for it, WRONG.
It IS about Healthcare, Not government!!! So get off your high horse and have some compasion for your fellow citizens. And if you have a problem with a government social program that would help Millions of people then report problems you see and help with finding solutions instead of just saying "Government Bad, Mega Corps Good"!

Funny thing, this particular Health Care Bill forces you to BUY insurance from a FOR PROFIT Insurance company. Guess you are as ignorant as you claim everyone else to be. THIS Bill IS about government, it is about government helping out corporations.

And I hated it when that part was put in at the request of some Republicans that said they would vote for the bill if that was put in. I also think that it should have been removed when the Republicans backed out.
I think that the bill needs Major changes but Not total repeal. That part is the Worst part of the bill and I agree with many that say that it is unconstitutional to Require that. I want to Remove that part. But I STILL believe that Universal Healthcare IS the Answer. It will be tough to get it to work properly but it is VERY important to try.

Single Payer and make all Medicine NOT for profit...:-)

Totally Agreed!

Every consider that your tax dollars are paying twice as much for less care than a lot of systems around the world? That my friend is brought to you by both parties.

Under this Health Care Bill, Congress is arguing that they have the right to regulate YOU under the Commerce Clause. Not that they can regulate when you PARTICIPATE in Commerce...but that they can FORCE you to participate in Commerce, at which point you can be regulated in any way they wish.

Yeah, it's the part of The Constitution Obamacare violates and will be thrown out for.

Oh I see, it's not that it's a horribly intrusive regulatory nightmare guaranteed to cost more money and produce less results, it's that we don't like Obama. Just because your Messiah signed doesn't make it a good thing, you know.

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I know, so much for objective journalism, they just take the derogatory republican name and run with it. That's the 24 hour news cycle for you, people don't like to interpret things for themselves

A turd by any other name would still smell like shit. Call it whatever you want.

The reason they don't let you invest your own money is because a defined contribution plan turns up empty all too often. Imagine if people had retired from the pool in early 09?

Please, the only problem with social security is that it's regressive. The rate could be much much lower if it was applied to all income not just the poor people part.

Further, if you wanted companies to hire tons of workers, you would exempt the first 20K of income.

Great comment on healthcare, btw. ^'d!

agreed!

It's obviously more important.

We just left several threads on how damaging the hate speech of the conservatives were in being a prime cause of the shooting in Arizona. Now those who oppose your political position are "idiot Republican Tea baggers". How does it feel that a huge lie is the supposed damage conservative alleged hate speech causes and how does it feel to be part of the real problem and not even close to ANY part of the solution. I can only hope that the misguided calls for fascism in controlling of speech applies to wonderful, well meaning people such as yourself. Peace

Its only wrong if a republican says something wrong. Chris Mathews basically said the he wanted Rush Limbuagh killed, and the media didnt make a sound.

And he should Not be allowed to spout that type of retoric on public airwaves, I don't care Who he is! If the media did not say anything about it then the media is not doing it's job.

There are republican members of congress that have been calling for people, Assange for example, to be killed. Show me a democrat that has called for someone's assassination. Then show me a map spread by a democrat that puts crosshairs over their opposition. How about a democratic rally where supporters paint threats on signs and carry guns?

I agree with you, but Chris Mathews is on Cable

People on cable should Not be exempted just because they can show "Entertainment" programs that are not suited for kids.

When you don't give a shit about other people (read: Tea Baggers) fairness is never considered in the equation.

All that matters to that political stripe is: "me first, damn the consequences!"

If you realize they think that way, they will make a lot more sense to you. ;)

Idiot is probably the wrong term, selfish is the correct one.

Regardless, there weren't any death threats, and all you have to do is take a look at aypis or congoboy, or libertyforall, or yourself and you will find far worse slurs about liberals than "idiot".

Freedom of speech motherfucker. If you don't like it, change the channel or cry about it. Unless its an outright threat its his right as an American to say how he feels. If you censor one voice, you censor all of us. It's all bs anyway how anyone can take any of these ENTERTAINERS seriously, bunch o douchebags if ya ask me. Fuck censorship!

How about the g20 summit a year ago where liberal teens burned cars and attacked police?

What about the liberal leftist Democrats that passed it against the wishes of the American people? Why did the exempt themselves from living with the regulatory obimination when they passed it?

I do give a shit about people. I want people to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labors without oppressive taxation redistributing their wealth away from them. That OK with you? Seems to me what matters to the progressive political stripe is: "me first, with someone else paying for it!".

I never said he didn't have the Right to say what he wants, MF! I am just saying if they want to be called a "NEWS" channel then they should have to meet standards of Truth! If you want to LIE then do it on some other channel, MF!

Not more important, just cheaper so that makes it ok.

That's fascinating. I work for my boss and he bills the client about 2x what he pays me per hour. I'm getting taxed 50% every hour I work. If you are really concerned over redistribution of wealth, you should ask why every employee doesn't get a share of the company's profits that they work for.

Redistribution happens every day in this country and it happens in nearly every office. I agree with you. I should get to enjoy the fruits of my labor without an oppressive boss who makes 30 times what I do and does the same amount of work.

Your statement is correct but you've been manipulated to believe that what's good for the rich man is good for you. Unfortunately what's good for the rich man is to take as much of your wages in the form of profit as humanly possible.

Great point. ^+

I wouldn't go that far, but that fat racist asshole should be jailed and sent a prison, with only minorities in it.

I'm calling for the Democrat Congressman that voted for Obamacare to give up their health insurance and live with Obamacare like they voted to force us to live under.

What does that even mean? What "Obamacare" would they be picking up?

I don't think anyone who calls it Obamacare even knows what was in the bill

Seriously... anyone who calls the healthcare bill "obamacare" has about the same amount of credibility as someone who calls the president by his middle name.

You mean like Nancy Pelosi?

A turd by any other name still smells like shit. What would you like me to call it? How about "The Screwing over of American taxpayers so welfare deadbeats and illegals can go to the doctor for free act"?

Like I said before, you are such an asshole.

(raises hand)

lol

Well do something about it...

but you won't will you ? Just blow hard here huh!? If you do nothing it doesn't matter what side of the aisle your rooting for does it!?

I did. I voted out the dirty rotten bastard Democrat Congessman I had for voting for it and so Nancy Pelosi would no longer be Speaker of the House. I want them to repeal it and I want ever single solitary one one the bastards that voted for it run out of Washington on a rail. The people did not want it but they voted for it anyway. They deserve everything they get, most of all a pink slip.

I was under the impression that congress was not exempt from this bill, and that they would be offered the same plans as everyone else was in this act.

Both, actually.

Nope, they are exempt. Just like the Unions they exempted, and over 100 companies that the HHS granted exemptions to. But we have to live with it. If it's so great, what's up with all the exemptions?

He has probably worked hard to get health insurance. Why should he have to work harder to pay for someone elses? Please don't come off like you know it all about the health industry and this bill. Also, you do realize that we haven't had health care longer then the last 8 years. You know there have been other Democrat Administrations before Bush, Right?

I think that's the best post you've ever had here.

Seriously, that was really good. More of that and less bile.

We already pay for the health care of people who can't afford it. You know that, right?

And we're not going to stop. Otherwise, people will die and as a society we're not going to make that decision. So the best thing we can do is try and mitigate the costs as best we can.

I'm not saying Obamacare is the answer, just that we do pay for the health care of others and will continue to do so.

How do you know the quality won't go down. What other Free insurance would you like the Government to provide? I said nothing about Republicans. Where do you get that from?

Not at all. If you disagree with me in a reasoned manner, it's totally cool.

Excellent Post! ^^++

O seriously, your owning them internet folks, Ha ha, go get em I say. Just because one likes to get the last word does not mean they are right. In their eyes of course they are always right. How many folks you got on the barbeque now? Just to go back to my other question I needed to make sure you understand. You do understand we didn't have Health Insurance before Bush? Also, You do know there were Democrat Presidents before Bush, Right? This will help me understand your thinking.

....and those who don't have it don't work hard? Wrong. The majority of the people I know have a health care option available to them, but it's so exorbitantly priced that they have to opt out.

I didn't say reform isn't needed. A government regulatory takeover and a national debt blown to hell is not the answer I was looking for.

Are you kidding? That's all you think will change? Wait until you see your 2011 W2, you got a big suprise coming.

We already pay for the health care of people who can't afford it. Now we'll be taxed for doing it.

Hopefully it will not stay as law. But as my grandfather told me, once they start taking it out of you check, they never stop.

Public Option and make all Medicine Not for Profit.

I'm not sure I follow the question.

Are you implying that having a Not for Profit hospital would mean Doctors would not get paid?

What hospital is Not for Profit? Oh and a salary is not profit, so again, I am not sure why you are asserting that a Doctor would not be paid.