Community | January 20, 2011 | 44 comments

Because It's Time to End the Afghanistan War...

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http://goo.gl/5Hl46 Tell us why YOU think it's time to end the Afghanistan War and your comments could appear in an upcoming Rethink Afghanistan video! With violence in Afghanistan still worsening a year after the military push into Marjah--the start of what some call "Obama's War"--it's clear military solutions won't work. It's time to end the war.
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  • keithponder
  • keithponder
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • Image
    • http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/22/c1main.wedeman.opium.jpg

      Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of the world’s opium, much of which is processed into heroin. Earnings from opium make up about a third of the country’s gross domestic product. It is a major source of income to the Taliban, who levy a 10 percent tax on its production. Various warlords and government officials are involved in the opium trade. Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, has been implicated in the opium trade.

      If you want to see the devastating impact of opium on Afghan society, just go to Kabul’s main stadium any day of the week. There, you’ll find dozens of men and teenagers, huddled against the wall, inhaling opium fumes or shooting up heroin. The ground is strewn with used needles.

      The number of opium addicts in Afghanistan has skyrocketed in recent years. In 2005 it was estimated that there were 900,000 addicts in the country. Three years later that number had jumped to 1.5 million.

    • 1 year ago
  • wally60
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      wally60  
    • any moron who thinks we can win in Afghanistan is nuts thety dont want to win its about making money war has always been about money.and yes lets let the taliban have the dam thing back maybe the chineese can talk with them.

    • 1 year ago
  • csgsdad
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  • Buddha2112
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      Buddha2112  
    • csgsdad:

      FYI, the Taliban did not attack us, ever. Until of course we raided their homeland, now they're fighting us... In their homeland, which is pretty much ruins and mountains now anyway.

      In no way is the Taliban equivalent to the Nazis. The war against terror is terror we brought upon ourselves and continue to fuel with meaningless bloodshed. The people who want this war are far from the front line and only seek to continue profiting off continued warfare.

      Vietnam was the same case. We're fighting an enemy we made up... That's exactly why it's unwinnable, and the people we fight, are fighting for their freedom. Why should more of our boys die for the pockets of rich men? Didn't we learn already?

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
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      ozoneocean  
    • csgsdad:

      The Taliban wouldn't be interested in recruiting "even more people to attack", that's just silly. Their objective in their own country is to repel the invaders. They're harsh people with values that are incompatible with the west but they were only ever interested in their own borders.

      It was Bush Jur who deliberately mixed them with Al Quiada in the moron public mind so he could wipe off the stain of 9/11 with an easy conquest of a pathetic nation. Meanwhile Al Quiada continues to kill people and grow all the time and meanwhile the fighting men and women of the west are mired uselessly in a failing military occupation, trying to clean up Bush Jnr's folly.

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
  • thepatient
  • controlusplease
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      controlusplease  
    • I'd also like to remind everyone the pacifism doesnt work after youve attacked a country, you cant just bomb people day after day, 7 years later "rethink your strategy", and then turn around and try to make peace through diplomatic means. The world doesnt work that way.

    • 1 year ago
  • controlusplease
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      controlusplease  
    • We can never leave Afghanistan, we're far too involved. Because after we leave, the semi-democratic government that we set up will be overthrown, and the Taliban will regain control, and the place will become of haven for terrorists again, prompting us to return 10, 15, maybe 20 years later.
      Afghanistan has been the destroyer of empires, you'll notice that every attempt at conquering the land and its people end in defeat.

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
  • controlusplease
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      controlusplease  
    • ozoneocean:

      Well, technically, we never funded the Taliban, that was the Mujahideen, and after the Soviet War, there was a split between the different factions and tribes that made up the Mujahideen (who were originally moderate people). Its with this new generation of Afghans that have been radicalised to hate the West, specifically America, because of all the unfulfilled promises we made to the country. They realised that they were our pawns in the 1980s and grew to hate us for it. I dont blame them. This is the modern Taliban.
      And it is true that most of the Insurgents in Afghanistan Arent even Afghanis, or Taliban, for that matter. A lot of them are Pakistanis, Chechyans, Serbs, Egyptians, Iranians, Syrians, Saudis, Lebanese, Libyans, and Sudanians, all there to fight the "Infidels".

      Well thats true, but back then there wernt any "terrorists" in Afghanistan in any sense of the word. Back then they were simply rebels, wanting nothing to do but drive the invaders and the Soviet backed government out of the country. They didn't want to strike out and kill people outside Afghanistan back then. There were alot more Afghanis committed to fighting against the Soviets though, as the Russians faced far greater numbers of opposition than we face today, and thats because Afghanis were united in reclaiming there lands from the invaders. Todays situation is not so black and white, some people welcome the Western forces, some people are caught somewhere in-between, and others want nothing more than for us to be wiped off the face of the planet.

      And they know theyll win, someday.
      Noone has ever conquered Afghanistan, and frankly, noone ever will.

    • 1 year ago
  • wally60
  • FtheBULLSHT
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      FtheBULLSHT  
    • Last time we balked on helping the Afghans the Mujahideen who later became the Taliban took over and oppressed the country until OEF.

      "They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame."

      -Charlie Wilson

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • TheEmpireGuy
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      TheEmpireGuy  
    • It's time to end our interventionist foreign policy. Bring them home, bring them ALL home.

      We have been there far too long. Lives, time, and money are all being wasted, things which could be put to far better use here, at home.

      Our national defense is weakened, the financial costs continue to drain us, our allies have deserted us, and the longer we stay there, the more our enemies will multiply – not to mention the tragic toll of death and injury suffered by American forces.
      They don't want us there, and we don't need to be there.

      Just imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian. Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests."

      How would we feel? Would we sit passively by, happy with our overlords? I certainly do not think so.

    • 1 year ago
  • FtheBULLSHT
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      FtheBULLSHT  
    • TheEmpireGuy:

      "Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests."

      If my own government couldn't do it than I probably wouldn't mind the presence of another who could. That is, if I want my country to become a democracy and allow freedoms like woman being able to go to school.

    • 1 year ago
  • thepatient
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      thepatient  
    • its a tragedy for the soldiers and for the afghan people, this is true. but imo, soldiers signed up knowin the risks of war and having a greedy govt controlling you via contract w/ the military. soldiers sign up to fight. they are hired killers. its the military. it happens in every culture that ever had a military in all of history. war will be gone in the next age, but for now don't get your hopes up that lennon's 'Imagine' is gonna be fulfilled in this life time; that is a highly unlikely event.

    • 1 year ago
  • TranceSendDance
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      TranceSendDance  
    • Occupation and militarization does not create peace and growth. Democracy does not dictate control. Opium dealers have become puppet masters in the War on Drugs. Only huge Corporations profit. The ancient nomads will never surrender.

    • 1 year ago
  • timetide
  • Sir_Mckenna
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      Sir_Mckenna  
    • Because Osama has been captured, all al-Qaeda cells destroyed, Taliban is defeated, creating a foundation to democracy has been a success, and making the end of growing poppies. Not to mention those "other" geo-political agendas USA had. War/Occupation against terrorism has been won. Mission accomplished. Bring the boys back home. Peace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgkk9P3vNtg

    • 1 year ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • Come on guys we can't leave until we're finished building a corrupt poll-fixing government, guarded by an army of drug addled social rejects that no American in his right mind would want to either visit, acknowledge as a significant improvement from its former self or accept as a habitual climate if he/she was forced to live within. Seriously our credibility is on the line here. We gotta make it "right."

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • Because its a waste of money and lives. No one has won a war in Afghanistan in some time, there is little for us to gain and much for us to loose.

    • 1 year ago
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • The only just War now is Class War bring the boys home no more war for corporations and profiteering although I wouldn't be opposed to a REAL war on poverty either...

    • 1 year ago
  • jeff662003
  • thepatient
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      thepatient  
    • i believe the situation in afghanistan and northern pakistan is far more complex than most people's understandings. higher level geopolitics bla bla is what it is, but idealistic 'youre killing people war is evil boo hoo' bullshit is for the naive imo... this is planet earth, grow up

    • 1 year ago
  • telcod
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      telcod  
    • It's not a war, stupid! It's an occupation. If the average american talking monkey can not get that distinction correct, then WTF are we to do? You cannot win an occupation. You can triumph in an invasion and subjugate your conquered peoples and possess their resources. But you cannot win. All you can do is stay or leave. The rest is self serving BS. Just ask the British.

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • The most dangerous man in Afghanistan?? Hamid Karzai of course!!
      Time for our CIA and special forces to have a little election of their own one bullet or two for the nations most corrupt individual!!
      We made the monster now we must kill it, or Afghanistan stands no chance. The people see Karzai as a criminal not a leader, his brother a drug dealer not a freedom fighter. Get real. We made a mess, clean it up, and leave only enough forces to secure the nuclear weapons of Pakistan when their government falls to pieces, which its doing right in front of the eyes of the world. Otherwise Afghanistan is a sinkhole that will swallow everything in its way. It has for centuries. The naivity is so unbelievable here, its not about oil its about Pakistans nukes, your information is liberal hogwash, and I'm a liberal, but not one who buy every line that people say. Nuclear proliferation is the number one concern now for the troops in Afghanistan, the drawdown is starting in months and we will not be staying to fight a war for years that is unwinnable. If you want to believe its oil or a pipeline go ahead your entitled but you are wrong. And Afghanistan is a shithole with lots of minerals and a very corrupt gov't which will preclude them being mined for a long time. Go learn some geo politics, and just because you just got out of college does not make you smart, its an aquired attribute

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
  • telcod
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      telcod  
    • tommic:

      It's not a sink hole, it is strategically placed, which is why we will continue to occupy it. The rest is just political theater for the gullible masses. It's not about the commies anymore. Was it ever? It's about the oil and the access to oil. Like a temporarily honest politician once said in a moment of candor, "Do you think we would be there if they were just growing potatoes?" What is left of our so called "way of life" is dependent on oil (and servicing debt).

    • 1 year ago
  • TheAmericanPatriot
  • telcod
  • cheshiresleeves
  • hombre76
  • cheshiresleeves
  • JosephSuzuki
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • telcod
  • cheshiresleeves
  • Ricky84
  • telcod
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