Ask Obama to legalize it

corporate shill and liar

riiiiight on

talking out of both sides of his mouth

It's total BS, as long as the Drug War is in effect and cannabis remains a schedule 1 substance, there's no way to treat it as a health issue rather than a criminal issue. The law makes users criminals without exception.

There is more support for a rational debate today than there was when Carter was in office. With the recession going strong, this is the perfect time to push for an end to prohibition, just as prohibition was repealed during the Great Depression.

I really hope you are right. We NEED a Rational and Honest discussion of the subject and if we can get it the Facts will show how Terrible this war has been.

we are focusing on keeping our lives out of fucking jail for smoking a plant. dick...

-"Let see if he will even give the question the time of day this time or just laugh it off again.-
Hope he laughs it off. That is the most positive response he is likely capable of giving at this time.

Ya whateva hater..

I'm not talking about moral uprightness or lack of it or love or hate or any of that. I'm talking about political reality. You can't get blood from a turnip.

especially at this juncture. This is an unusually poor moment to make a move. This article advocates soliciting help from someone who at this moment can only lose by helping and can only gain by damaging.
To make it worse this person while not the best of allies of the cause is still less against the cause than the alternative, who is positively rabid.

My state won't change until the feds change. I'm about to vote with my feet. Once I can just live my life without fear of losing everything, then I might chill out about it.

hey im in florida i feel your pain.but im trying to look at the end game is all

Cannabis crosses party lines. The use of cannabis madness has crossed party lines also. Politicians spin facts, or plead ignorant. They don't know? I don't think that is a good enough answer. We have a war, which has been going on, on American soil and they don't know the facts? If not, why not?

Unfortunately the money people control the voices of the politicians. Hemp could be an environmentally friendly industry. Grown in America, manufactured in America and sold throughout the world. Hemp is environmentally friendly and can be used to manufacture many, many products.

Sadly, money talks and those with the money don't want a 'natural' competitor. It's easier to spin 'madness'. It's time to have dialog, using facts and leave the madness at the door.

so it is hard to take us seriously because we want to be taken seriously?

The problem is that this is perceived as third rail issue, when in fact the movement is about to boil. The people want real change.

And since you brought up his balls, if he actually had any he would admit that the emperor wears no clothes.

they are rabid, but not really conservative....Tories are conservative, Republicans are hypocrites.

"This is a classically dumb campaign."
and you sir are a typicaly spineless democrat who would rather bend over and spred for the neocon christian minority than stand up for an issue that is important on multiple levels from economic to social to a majority of Americans Both democrat and republican. SHit this is like one of the only issues I have ever agreed with a republican on! The war on drugs is a failure and in the light of the finacial problems we face as a nation it is an unnessisary cost to bare. Period.

Wait... So you actually think pressuring a democrat who is currently against the ropes on left issues and has already taken a stance against this, is somehow going to HELP you?

Let me be clear here. Even if he had taken a stance in your favor in the past, now would be the absolutely perfect time for him to hang you out to dry.

There are times when poking the bear is the absolute worst thing you can do. This is one of those times.

To make it more fun you want to poke him in a way that causes as much damage as possible. The suggested question is phrased in an 'agree with me or look stupid' fashion.

Option A:
If he agrees with you he opens himself to unstoppable trouble form people who like you a hell of a lot less than he does and you lose.

Option B:
If he disagrees with you he underscores the arguments against your case and you drive the only party both even vaguely interested in helping you and vaguely taken seriously farther from you in support. And you lose.

-"so it is hard to take us seriously because we want to be taken seriously"-
No it is hard because the group insists on pulling unbelievably self destructive and pooch screwing moves like this one. This is a NO WIN question. Nothing good for group may come by asking this.

-"The problem is that this is perceived as third rail issue, when in fact the movement is about to boil. The people want real change."- The problem is that both are true. The people want real change AND it is a third rail issue.

The people are getting change Not real real fast change, but faster than any time in the last hundred years. All they need to do is not wake the bear. Obama is not at the moment in a position where he is capable of helping the group, but is in a position where he is almost required to hurt it and is in an excellent position to do so.

You again compleatly ignore the fact that WE the majority of Americans that want the prohibition of Canabis to end and include people from law enforcment and judges and acidemics and scholars and scientists and doctors and on and on ..... and as ive said are the majority representing equal portions of both political parties and all races ..... I'm pretty sure those folks concernsare what you want to address if you are a president looking to be re-elected and get the bonus of job creation and tax revinue for all the other publicly funded crap we need to take care of in this country. But its ok that you cant see past your nose there are plenty of big folks who dont wet their pants every time the republicans manage to buy themselves a chamber of congress.

Ok two more things 1 what the fuck is this BEAR you keep ranting about waking
and Two if we cant ask masa now when is we alowed to ask masa?

Oh and fuck waiting lets get this bull shit waste of American Lives and Treasure brought to an end! OK!? can we fucking just do this one smart universaly accepted thing for christ sake!?

YES. Yes I do ignore that. For a very good reason. That's not how the government works. Assuming it is technically a majority it's still a majority of people who:
A) Don't generally donate to political campaigns
B) Don't generally vote.

If those two things don't happen you don't really exist politically.

There's a older movie called "Bullworth" that describes some of these concepts pretty well.

It's a metaphorical bear. "don;t poke the bear" means don't incite a situation from which only bad things can arise.

Heres another metaphor.

My step mother was a young child in world war II east germany and she tells a story of when the Soviet army arrived.

There was a russian peasant soldier who had been given a motorcycle to deliver messages. He was having trouble getting it started. Since he knew nothing of motorcycles he tried the standard things one does to motivate a mule, until he finally became angry with the thing, pulled his revolver and shot it several times. While it undoubtedly made the soldier feel much better it didn't help much in getting his messages delivered.

I was reminded of this story noticing your avatar.

Who does not give to campaigns and vote?> Doctors? Lawyers? Law enforcement? Judges? These are the types of people who want Canabis prohibition repealed.... that is the reality. You on the otherhand are only full of platitudes cheezy folk tales and BullShit...Have a fucked day!

My, such hostility. And expressed so adroitly too.

So you're saying the pot smoking public is primarily made up of the people you just described?

I'll let the experience of the public decide the probability of that one.

I'm resorting to cheezy platitudes because when i used direct language you failed completely to understand it so I resorted to dumbing down the language.

thats funny I would think to dumb down your thinking any further would require a sentance like this one "bla bla bla Fart! Bla Bla Bla Burp! Bla Bla BLa........you get the picture dont ya ?

It's been a very long time since someone has replied to me with the equivalent of "i know you are but what am i" plus fart noises.

I will treasure this memory.