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Stoned to death with her lover: Horrific video of execution of girl, 19, killed by Afghan Taliban for running away from arranged marriage

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Horrific video footage has emerged of Taliban insurgents stoning a couple to death for alleged adultery in northern Afghanistan.
Hundreds of villagers can be seen on the video standing around as the woman, Siddqa, is buried up to her waist in a four foot hole in the ground.
Two mullahs pass sentence before the crowd begins to throw rocks at her head and body as she desperately tries to crawl free.

But the 19-year-old collapses to the ground, covered in blood - but miraculously still alive.
At this point a Taliban fighter shoots her three times in the head with an AK-47The crowd can be heard shouting allahu akbar as she is killed.
Her lover, Khayyam, is then marched in front of the crowd with his hands tied behind his back.
He is blindfolded with his own tunic and crouches down close to the ground as he tried to protect his body from the stones.


But he is battered to the floor by a barrage of rocks. He can be heard sobbing before eventually falling silent.
The stoning - the first to be documented on film since the Taliban were ousted from power - took place in the district of Dashte Archi, in Kunduz, last August.
Officials said that Siddqa had run away after being sold into an arranged marriage for $9,000 against her will.
She ran away to be with Khayyam, who was already married and had two children, and the pair eloped to Pakistan.


But it is understand that they returned to their home village after being reassured by leaders that they would be unharmed.
It was a terrible mistake. They were dragged from their families' homes at 2am by Taliban fighters and then put before a kangaroo court before being executed.
The incident took place last October near the Afghan border with Tajikstan, a conservative district with a heavy extremist presence.
The area remains under Taliban control, but regional police have said those behind the stoning will be charged.


Police chief General Daoud Daoud told the BBC: 'Special police investigators will be sent there, we will find them and they will be brought to justice.'
Most of the video has not been shown because it was too graphic.
Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid defended the stoning.
He told the BBC: 'Anyone who knows about Islam knows that stoning is in the Koran, and that it is Islamic law.
'There are people who call it inhuman - but in doing so they insult the Prophet. They want to bring foreign thinking to this country.'


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162 comments // Stoned to death with her lover: Horrific video of execution of girl, 19, killed by Afghan Taliban for running away from arranged marriage

  • 0point68
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      0point68  
    • You think your government isn't doing this to you, too? Wake up. They just don't do it as bloodily, and nowhere near as quickly. The Taliban here is actually showing more mercy than the United States government ever has.

      Your country practices lethal neglect against the citizens it takes umbrage with. It doesn't have to be a bloody public stoning. The people your government is murdering for religious reasons (i.e. homosexuals; denying them access to employment and families, the poor; denying them the educational opportunities that would allow them to make a living, the disabled; enacting institutionally discriminatory policies against them, and *you*... *YOU*...; denying you access to affordable medical care) are going to be just as dead as these two.

      If you think about it, these children are lucky to have been killed quickly by their government. Yours is prepared to torture you for *years*.

    • 1 year ago
  • Enocks_Tupuono
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • its great to see that there are still plenty of fanatical islam apologists at work voting down those that just mention facts and share truths. we have no room in our country for this type of religion until they evolve into the 21st century.

    • 1 year ago
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • Another great example of how brutal Islam is and how people under it's rule have no human rights! Do you liberals really think this is OK?

    • 1 year ago
  • StealthFighter
  • shanklinmike
  • jonlemnh
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • jonlemnh:

      Outlawing religion would not work - it would simply go underground and out of sight, and thus be even more dangerous. When it is out in the open, at least it is transparent.

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
  • freecrack
  • WhiteCrow22
  • WhiteCrow22
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      WhiteCrow22  
    • Vierotchka:

      Peoples' faith must not be questioned. It is organized religion, its agenda, and its motives that I question. I think most religious people are hypocritical, and they betray their beliefs regularly.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • FlexSF
  • damush
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • Apologists like to give the impression that Islam is a sola scriptura affair, relying entirely on the content of the Qur'an. It makes it easier to sell unbelievers the notion of the Qur'an as uncreated, complete unto itself, and not dependent on the cultural and temporal context in which it was purportedly revealed to Muhammad.

      But that is not the case. There is a Qur'an-only movement within Islam, but it is an extreme minority view at variance with the views of the major sects.

      Indeed, Islamic ritual and conduct depend intensely on the details provided by ahadith in Sunni as well as Shi'ite Islam, and while the collections differ in organization and emphasis (with the Shi'ite texts in general naturally affording greater importance to the imam Ali), they converge a great deal in letter and spirit.

      Sunni hadith texts, including Sahih ("reliable") Bukhari, record Muhammad and his companions as being directly involved in stonings of men and women, and Muhammad is, of course, a "beautiful pattern of conduct" for believers, per Qur'an 33:21.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith....082.816

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 803:

      Narrated Ash-Sha'bi:

      from 'Ali when the latter stoned a lady to death on a Friday. 'Ali said, "I have stoned her according to the tradition of Allah's Apostle."

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 804:

      Narrated Ash Shaibani:

      I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, 'Did Allah's Apostle carry out the Rajam penalty ( i.e., stoning to death)?' He said, "Yes." I said, "Before the revelation of Surat-ar-Nur or after it?" He replied, "I don't Know."

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 805:

      Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah Al-Ansari:

      A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle and Informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and bore witness four times against himself. Allah's Apostle ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married Person.

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 806:

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      A man came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque, and he called him, saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.'" The Prophet turned his face to the other side, but that man repeated his statement four times, and after he bore witness against himself four times, the Prophet called him, saying, "Are you mad?" The man said, "No." The Prophet said, "Are you married?" The man said, "Yes." Then the Prophet said, 'Take him away and stone him to death." Jabir bin 'Abdullah said: I was among the ones who participated in stoning him and we stoned him at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but we over took him at Al-Harra and stoned him to death.

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 807:

      Narrated 'Aisha:

      Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abd bin Zam'a quarrelled with each other (regarding a child). The Prophet said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abd bin Zam'a, for the boy is for (the owner) of the bed. O Sauda ! Screen yourself from the boy." The sub-narrator, Al-Laith added (that the Prophet also said), "And the stone is for the person who commits an illegal sexual intercourse."

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 808:

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      The Prophet said, "The boy is for (the owner of) the bed and the stone is for the person who commits illegal sexual intercourse.'

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:

      Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

      A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

      Volume 8, Book 82, Number 810:

      Narrated Jabir:

      A man from the tribe of Aslam came to the Prophet and confessed that he had committed an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet turned his face away from him till the man bore witness against himself four times. The Prophet said to him, "Are you mad?" He said "No." He said, "Are you married?" He said, "Yes." Then the Prophet ordered that he be stoned to death, and he was stoned to death at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him, he fled, but he was caught and was stoned till he died. The Prophet spoke well of him and offered his funeral prayer.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • This is Sharia, and all of its various horrors, abuses, and absurdities must be exposed so they may be resisted.

      This is an act Muhammad not only prescribed, but participated in, according to canonical Islamic sources. The fact that it is not in the Qur'an means nothing.

      There is a greater level of frenzy over killing the woman, Siddqa. The perverse excitement of the crowd is palpable, and the cries of "Allahu akbar" are more numerous. But in the end, it is an equal-opportunity double murder, with two pulverized bodies to show as testimony to Allah's greatness. This is Sharia.

    • 1 year ago
  • The_Inglorious_Bastard
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      The_Inglorious_Bastard  
    • "The death of one (or two) is a tragedy, but the death of millions is just a statistic"-Marlyn Manson

      This is propaganda. While these two died, 90 percent of the world's poppy (heroin) crops were safe and sound, thanks to our government.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • Vierotchka
  • crystalman
  • Throowrocks
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      Throowrocks  
    • Mao's death toll from 1945 to 1975 is ore than 75 million Chinese. Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause ... with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands. ... GPU squads systematically attacked and killed uncooperative farmers. ... would deliberately cause mass starvation and result in the deaths of millions. ...Are you telling me killers were not cheerful?

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • Throowrocks:

      Muslim Mughal invaders of India in the 17th century slaughtered 70 million people and destroyed a 1000 temples. The worst act of genocide in history. All in all, Muslims have murdered 200 million people during their rampaging expansionism in the last 1400 years

    • 1 year ago
  • ogen
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      ogen  
    • This One-sided justice is tyrannize towards women and completely against the Word of the Book, Koran and Bible both. This mentally is nothing more than a few, that wants to control the masses.
      Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction

    • 1 year ago
  • Throowrocks
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      Throowrocks  
    • Jake you are truly enlightened.....if only we had a leader like you to show us the way out,out of the manipulation and persuasion of out faith!

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • "They want to bring foreign thinking to this country.'"

      No: in this case, we want to bring reason, ethics, and the golden rule to such a land. Stop living like cavemen--stop clinging to invisible gods. You're living off thousands of years old vocabulary to explain what was the unexplainable. It's amazing what fear and self preservation will lead people to do. How pompously ignorant anyone must be to believe that their religion is the "true" religion.

      In any case, I suppose, religion is merely an excuse in order to defend what you deeply desire. Thus, without the religion, this hatred and cruelty would still be here. I feel sorry for the victims; but I also feel sorry for the Taliban, blinded by logic and any notion of morality (which needs not a God to explain). Manipulation and persuasion are powerful and easily employed tools possessed by leaders--especially when in the form of religion.

    • 1 year ago
  • Throowrocks
  • Eric_Kraus
  • Eric_Kraus
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      Eric_Kraus  
    • You know if we just would have nuked the shit out of that country we would never half to worry about this allahu akbar bullshit. Fuck Islam!!! Fuck the Taliban!!!!! Fuck the Middle East!!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • Eric_Kraus:

      ... And you would inadvertently, and instantaneously, kill more innocent people than all Muslims combined with one stupendously irrational blow. I find this as sick as the next guy, but I don't see genocide as being the answer. And I certainly take caution with the ends justifying the means.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • Image
    • Eric_Kraus:

      and long live Israel...the only democracy in the Middle East! 500 million Arab Muslims. 6 million Israelis. If the Arab land mass is a football pitch, then Israel is a matchbox in that field.

    • 1 year ago
  • Psymoniac
  • galwayman
  • Betico
  • thepatient
  • FlexSF
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      FlexSF  
    • thepatient:

      Can you explain how the U.S. occupation in Afghanistan will change the attitudes of these people?

      We should send the war bills to the states that support it!

    • 1 year ago
  • jeffreyak
  • ImConcerned
  • jeffreyak
  • ImConcerned
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • ImConcerned:

      At least now we can see that you are not an adult. Thanks for the info . Oh yeah, by the way. I'm responding to you responding to me. Not quite stalking when its going both ways.

    • 1 year ago
  • EmperorThan
  • b1nhac64
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      b1nhac64  
    • Could you imagine if the universe was ruled by Sharia Law--The whole planet earth would be a "Ghost Town",I would probably be the first one to be stoned for I am a widow and go to Cuba 4x a year for a lot of--you know what-Si!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • b1nhac64:

      wich should tell you that what you believe (im guessing) about islam isnt accurate.as if islam was what it has been portrayed they would have destroyed themselves, not grown over a billion strong.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • 2helenahandbasket
  • timetide
  • freecrack
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • timetide:

      LOL! What!!?? "Hate from the depths of my heart anything that is non-Christian"? And who the hell told you this? If Christians were stoning folks to death I'd be the first one marching in the streets. If you keep up with the news you'll see the daily destruction of Muslims, whose apologists claim them to be the religion of peace. WHERE are these peaceful Muslims, to allow this treatment of even fellow Muslims? I sure don't hear their voices rising up over the world in protest.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2helenahandbasket:

      do the voices of the moderate and reasoned ever exceed the volume of the crazy?
      one could also say where are the rational conservatives as all we see are the tea party fuckers.

      when you make a statement about a people, in this case islam, the onnus is on you for accuracy.
      a billion muslims exist in the world at any given time with twenty percent being arab.making this crazy type shit more a kin to tribal social orders irrespective of religion than anything else.

      the other 95 percent of muslims pacively show thier position everyday if you care to acknowledge thier existance, instead of focusing strictly on the minority of crazy fuckers.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • timetide:

      Actually, I don't think you get it at all. . . just as all too many west Europeans are beginning to find out. . . that the persona of Islam as the "Religion of Peace" is a complete lie.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      what you pose is based in opinion only.not invalid, but opinion none the less.
      what i posed is based in statistical fact.
      you have every right to come to what ever conclusion you like about islam or what ever religion tickles your fancy.but as long as the overwhelming majority of muslims are peacefull, that is what rings true.not the occassional jihadi.
      just as christianity isnt a religion of hate, but love, despite uganda finiding divine inspiration to kill gays.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • freecrack:

      So in your mind, it is not where they are in their theological awareness, but a matter of which killed how many others in the past as being more or less equal to their degree of complicity on their intrusion on society today?
      ~ How quaintly naive .

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      theological awareness is not something any of us are in a position to judge one way or another.one would have to know (not just believe) what is theologicaly appropriate, in order to make such a judgement correctly.and as far as i am concerned all religion is equaly flawed, making no theological perspective a basis for comparison in order to judge.

      erronious theological views are not limited to acts of murder either.errors in exastential understandings manifest in infanite ways, with murder just being one of the few that is abvious as wrong.

      the reality is, if one is concerned with a theology being a threat to humanities existance it is an irrational fear.no belief system that has a basis in death can proliferate, as death is final, making those followers through adherance to said faith, dead by that faith.thus the idealogy is dead.

      the difference between a religion and a cult.by the virtue of a theology proliferating, proves it not being a mortal threat.or all those it had spread too would be destroyed, and thus the theology would destroy itself.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • freecrack:

      http://fear.no

      I disagree. We are in fact able to judge theological awareness in a number of fashions, i.e. how it is or not adhered to an example and also to fanatical fervor (or lack thereof). . . or for that matter total denial of divine intervention and embracing existentialism.

      It may be that all religion are flawed as far as you're concerned, but no matter the variances of them there may be (and in fact are), each are equally convinced that they are the one with the true understanding of God and his intended purpose for mankind.

      You say "the reality is, if one is concerned with a theology being a threat to humanities existence it is an irrational fear.no belief system that has a basis in death can proliferate, as death is final, making those followers through adherence to said faith, dead by that faith.thus the ideology effect is dead.". . I say, that if Muslims were not fearful of Islams theology, it's affect on society today would likely be irrelevant, which sadly is not the case.
      You most certainly know that a religion that traps and retains its "body" through coercion and fear of apostasy (of maiming or murder) is nothing less than terrorism. . . and in that context you are right - Islam is a theology of death.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      how it is or not adhered to an example and also to fanatical fervor (or lack thereof)

      that is entirely dependant on the individual person and has nothing to do with the theology.just as a crazy christian killing an abortion doctor represents more that individual persons flaws than the larger theologic method he/she believes, same applies to the reverse.it isnt like judaism or christianity are the religion of passing interest because the majority of its members dont adhere to it strictly.plus who is to say what is the appropriate adherance?one school of thought would rightfully dictate that stoning is the right course of action as it is derived from divine mandate, and those of us who do not adhere are wrong as divine mandate is perfect and our laws are not.equaly fair and reasonable, is to see the elements of religion that speak to life being sacred, trump those that allow for capital punishment.it is entirely subjective there fore has no "this is how it should be done" clarity.

      of course each religion comes with an authoritarian presentation, as it is by design.(who wants to woship a flawed deity when a perfect one exists)but that makes them all, by thier very existance, subjective.if the world had only one religion it would be different, like how science works.it isnt like different cultures have competing sciences.different levels of scientific understanding yes, but science is still science.the fact that all religions claim authority,and exist simultaniously with one another, proves none actualy meet the criteria as perfect.other wise, just like with science, the failing institutions would fall to the way side as peoples self interest would force the adopting of the better thought process.

      " I say, that if Muslims were not fearful of Islams theology, it's affect on society today would likely be irrelevant, which sadly is not the case. "

      muslims arent fearfull of islam's theology.they are fearfull of gods wrath, wich is the case with all monotheisms.muslim's are only fearfull of other faiths, just as other faiths are fear full of islam, as they believe them to be a rip off of what god wants.to the faith full this is the only valid fear, as nothing is worse than offending god, wich not adhering to his system (alternate faiths) would be.they love the theology of islam and submit to it for the same reason any one submits to thier faith.they think it is what is the right thing to do.

      all religions use fear equaly.how many times have you heard "god fearing christian"?
      is the torah not filled with the sin of man being dealt with by extreme wrath by god designed to punish us? is that not persuasive behavioral dictate through fear? is the church's obsession with hell not a means to frighten the faithfull into functioning in a certain manor?

      your premise seems to see all muslims being muslims out of fear, wich is not the case at all.you are failing to recognize the power of supreme authority, wich nullifies any earthly fear through faith.just as the jews got thier ass's kicked for a millenia for not sucumbing to the fear of an aggressive christian europe, muslims arent faithfull out of fear, but pure faith.im sure thier are a shit load of secular minded muslims who observe islam for fear of the wrath dissobedience will bring from the society at large, but that again has nothing to do with islam as it is the case in any theocracy.wether is is jesus getting sold out for not playing by jewish theocratic rules, or the salem witch trials, or what ever.

      if it were fear based, then no christian arabs would exist, yet they do.so either arab christians are inhumanly brave, or thier faith is not determined by the fear tactics empossed by thier theocratic societies.being as they are fleeing at the moment from the region due to persecution, it is clear thier bravery is not why they are christians.so faith in the middle east is of course swayed by fear, but not dictated by it.or those christians who clearly have a mind for self preservation would be muslim right?plus lets not forget the other 80 percent od muslims who dont reside in fear driven societies, and are muslim of thier own accord.up to and including the west.

      once again, if islam was a theology of death, and also seen as supreme, islam wouldnt exist.they would have destroyed themselves by divine mandate like all actual death cults do.the very fact islam exists, over a billion strong no less, is defacto proof that islam is not a death cult.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      you know i respect you and im not all about personal attacks.
      but absolutely nothing i offered even remotely serves as material to excuse or apologize for terrorism in any way.if you find tolerance of another peoples culture or idealogy as something that even requires apologies for, that is racist in basis.

      im drawing comparisons that show we are more alike than different via the human condition, but you ignore the human element in favor of viewing muslims only as thier religion, and your perception of it.that is a prejudicial basis for judgement, making you an apologist for hate, wether intended or not.as you have demonized and condemed millions of people you dont know, who have done nothing wrong, cuz you have concluded you know what is in thier hearts via religion.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      no i have not.my whole shpeal is based on individuality is it not? if a running narrative exists in my mild rantings, it is that all behavior while inflluenced by a myriad of factors (religion being just one) is individual.from mohamy jihadi to busta rhymes.from reverand billy graham to superstar billy graham.from david berkowitz to albert einstein.

      religion impacts all of us, but to no one unified degree, or to a comparable understanding.religion exists on all levels, making a large variety of elements of it, as individual, as we all are.the way the same exact words can be viewed by two different people and not mean the same thing, or result in the same ideas.the struggle to understand each of our own existences is the most personal of human behaviors.one cant limit it to islam,or judaism,or christianity.none of us just are those things alone.

      the closest one can come to conclusions based on religious affiliation, is recognizing that a person who is of a religion is offering a mission statement.not that they are that religion, but it resonates with them, and in thier endevours it is that religous process to wich they defer.it is the prism by wich they view thier existence.that is it.wether or not it is the no sex till marraige part that they employ in thier life while masterbating like fiend, or if it is a total refusal to use sexual organs for entertainment purposes.both perspectives, as well as the spectrum in between can be the result of christianity,islam,or judaism.although i think we are allowed to spank it.i never asked, and was never told not to.wierd thing to realize.

      how the religion manifests in the individual is individual.how it plays amongs other factors can clarify, but still the individual is independant in his/her actions.if one wanted to derive a conclusion based soley on an idealogy and its effect on people, while discounting individuality, it is just a matter of statistics, wich are hardly a means to understand this accurately.as it is a pass fail grading system, for that wich exists beyond our comprehension.it is limited and misses the entire middle realm in wich we all exist, in favor of extremes.

      but if you want to run the stats, islam is the religion of peace compared to christianity.even if done by percentage.(wich actualy would have jews as the most violent, funny right) just the number of christians who have killed in the last 50 yrs in our wars alone trumps the numbers of muslims who have taken to killing.yes statisticaly islam beats us like 1,000 to 1 in martyrs, but we lead them 10 to 1 in full scale wars between nations.it like trying to see what is worse, stabbing someone in the left eye or the right eye.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • freecrack:

      Sorry my friend, but whether or not you believe that Islam is misunderstood by those who observe the actions and results of the good faithful "radicals" and judge it accordingly to it's justified mayhem (per the Qur'an) is simply just your pov.

      . . . and why do you continually fall back on the score/count of which is/has been the most atrocious, Judeo-Christianity or Islam?
      . . . How do you see American expansionism as evil and then deny the expansionism of Islam with its brutal theological chaos as benign is beyond my comprehension, and yet you see Christianity as comparable to Islam? . . I think not, but then that is my point of view.
      . . . How is that Mullahs and Imams from scores of Islamic nations openly declare and preach/teach the destruction of Jews and Christians, with the eventual goal of subjecting the world in it's entirety to the totality of Islamic rule? . . and how you still compare Muslim nations who persecute and murder Coptic Christians or any other theology at will in the name of Allah as being comparable in mentality to Christians, is absolutely unfathomable to me.
      . . . Tell me, how many scores of Christians are murdering innocents in the name of Jesus (or Yahweh) that is even remotely close to the worldwide murder and mayhem done by Muslims today in the name of Allah?

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      i fall back on stats as i can only assume that is the basis upon wich you are making your judgements.18 scum fucks take out the wtc, and now the other billion muslims are crazy evil.it seems the acts of terrorism are the basis for the characterization of them.so if the numbers of terrorist acts are validation that they are bad, i default to the stats that prove the exact opposite.in that of the billion muslims in the world less than one percent have been malevolent in any way.in relative terms, i use christianity and judaism as a basis for comparison in terms of religious quantifications.

      i see any expansionism as evil, capitalist or theologic.anytime any people insist thier agenda exist above others is an act of tyrany.the thing is, islam isnt expansionist any more than any other religion with a proselyzation clause.i mean, it isnt like its difficult to find a christian who wants to "save" you, right?

      i see christianity as comparable to islam, the same way i see it comparable to judaism.it doesnt take a great leap to draw comparisons, such as both the corrupted teachings of christianity and islam have resulted in thier followers attempting to convert others to the point of death.in this regard, especialy as the abrahamic tradition goes, christianity and islam share a behavior.a behavior that judaism does not, despite being of the same tradition.

      maybe it is just a matter of me being on the outside looking in as opposed to muslim or chistian.i dont have warm fuzzy feelings that excuse acts done in the name of either religion, the way i do for judaism.so i see no difference in the crazy christian who supports crusades against muslims, than i see crazy muslims who support jihad against us.different terminology, but same idealogy.different social causation, with the same destructive results.both a divine calling for each to kill the other.at that level,death,the name of it really doesnt matter.

      you ask why i default to stats, then ask for them with a caveat of "present events".
      as if christians killing non christians as a scare tactic to force conversions in the 1400's-1800's doesnt count for some reason?those people who were tortured and died arent victims as equaly as those who suffer at the hands of fundamentalism today? in what other realm does that work?

      should we let charles manson out cuz his shit is forty years old and doesnt count anymore?has he ceased being a cult leader?should we forget the holocaust or slavery cuz it was too long ago, and dismiss it cuz today it isnt happening?

      christianity and islam, both have a rediculous amount of blood on both thier hands, as a result of the exact same identical behavior.with niether being acceptable.wether it was torquemeda scaring spain into christianity or bin laden trying to do it to us.the only difference is the man made construct of time.but if you want to play that game, take all of our crazies, and remove the minorities from them, and ya still got a shit load of religious zealots who are killing those who they think jesus wants them to kill.from abortion doctors, to various clergy men, to uganda slaying gays.same crazy, just different time and places.

    • 1 year ago
  • StealthFighter
  • unimatrix0
    • +14
      unimatrix0  
    • Once again, religious belief is used to justify the most barbaric of actions. The profound lack of humanity is quite disconcerting. To think of all those people watching, and some even participating, is sickening.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
    • -5
      maasanova  
    • unimatrix0:

      I didn't watch this or any of the other torture porn that is floating around the net.

      What about the people who participated by watching this video? What does that say about their humanity?

    • 1 year ago
  • Buddha2112
    • +3
      Buddha2112  
    • maasanova:

      It says that they are curious. Why would you otherwise embrace ignorance? Because you're scared? It's important to understand the horrific nature of such actions, albeit vicariously.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
    • 0
      maasanova  
    • Buddha2112:

      I'm not embracing anything, except my right to not watch torture porn if I don't want to. I know it's a bit off-topic, but what's next? Televised viewings of public executions here in the US?

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
    • +2
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      the same thing it says about the people who watch animal rights abuses in horror.they are concious and aware that ignoring is literal ignorance wich is a greater crime above all else.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
    • +2
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      that is what it took to end vietnam.public viewing of that wich is intolerable is how change comes.ignorance insures the evil's proliferation.

      it isnt evil that destroys the world, but good men who do nothing.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      i would agree that unfortunatley our government did learn how powerfull the media is in regards to how we view/tolerate wars, but i dont think its the same as your perspective.

      they learned to embed reporters thus sculpting what stories would be told before they were even convieved.send a civilian killing death squad one way, and the embedded reporter units to the "sexy, made for tv, cowboy, hero" missions.far from bloodshed at our hands.

      its not on the news now cuz we are legitimately an apathetic people.i bet even if the government had the ability to use the media at this point as a means to gain favor with us, our apathy in regards to the war is such that they wouldnt even try.we are american idol freaks too self involved to bear the responsability for our government's misdeeds.ostrage syndrome

    • 1 year ago
  • jeffreyak
  • jeffreyak
  • jeffreyak
  • samthesixth
  • ArchDruid
  • crystalman
  • freecrack
  • TROP
  • ImConcerned
  • KSirys
  • jeffreyak
  • freecrack
  • ImConcerned
  • jeffreyak
  • KSirys
  • NiceN
    • +3
      NiceN  
    • I am so thankful that when I say I get stoned to death with my lover, it implies that we smoke fat blunts. Killing in the name of God should not exist.

    • 1 year ago
  • musicjohnny
    • +2
      musicjohnny  
    • This is so barbaric. How can any people look at an atrocity like that and not be horrified, much less condone it....

      The evils of humanity know no bounds.

    • 1 year ago
  • telcod
    • -2
      telcod  
    • musicjohnny:

      Voyeurism is as far up the food chain as we have slithered. How in deed can people look at this let alone participate? Such a noble species. Makes you proud to be a human, don't it? Just like those good old days back in my old Dixie, when we used to hang black folks and send postcards of it to the relatives that were unfortunate enough not to attend. Maybe in another 80 years or so, those nasty rag heads will calm down, become civilized and start watching reality tv, like the "Housewives of Beverly Hills." and give up their evil ways. Sure am glad to be born better than them all.

    • 1 year ago
  • ImConcerned
  • jeffreyak
  • ImConcerned
  • jeffreyak
  • Vierotchka
    • +4
      Vierotchka  
    • That's the problem with Afghan Taliban - they can recite the Koran by heart but, not knowing Arabic at all, they don't understand the Koran, they don't know what it says, and therefore they don't know that stoning is not mentioned in the Koran at all.

    • 1 year ago
  • telcod
  • samthesixth
    • -2
      samthesixth  
    • Vierotchka:

      While you are correct that stoning is not mentioned in the Koran, Mohammed orders stoning 6 times in the Hadith. As Sharia law requires following Mohammed's actions, stoning is an acceptable form of punishment.

    • 1 year ago
  • ayipis
  • ozoneocean
    • 0
      ozoneocean  
    • samthesixth:

      The problem is that new sects like the Taliban ignore 1500 years of culture in between now and when Islam became a religion. Regardless of what Mohammed reportedly ordered, stoning is NOT a part of modern Islam and hasn't been for a looooong time.

      Just like killing slaves and polygamy hasn't been a part of Judaism or Christianity for quite a loooong time.

      -What a lot of people miss is that you can not learn about a religion from a book.

    • 1 year ago
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