U.S. military has lost more troops to suicide than it has to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan
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For the second year in a row, the U.S. military has lost more troops to suicide than it has to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.-
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JanforGore
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Keeping this going is not supporting the troops. And from what I have read the families of those who commit suicide do not even get the same courtesy of a condolence letter from the president even though they too are casualties of war. Shameful.
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JanforGore
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artemis6
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Bring them home . They have suffered , Too much .
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artemis6
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keithponder
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They are obvious being led by their conscious. They see the oppression being committed by our military and they would rather be dead than continue to kill innocent poor people for the sake of sheer greed.
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keithponder
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Kyl
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Looks like Vietnam all over again.
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Kyl
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artemis6
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Kyl:
That is exactly what it looked like , from the very beginning . Another generation horribly abused .
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artemis6
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samthesixth
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simplecj:
Sorry for your loss. It sounds like he was a victim of the war. PTSD is real and these fine folks need all of our help and support.
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samthesixth
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I'd like to know how many of these suicidal soldiers have been trapped in a war zone by "Stop Loss" , serving multiple voluntary tours then being told you can not go home is very devastating.
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Stoneyroad
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samthesixth
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One more reason in a long list to bring the troops home. Bring them home from Germany, Japan, Italy, S. Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan now!
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samthesixth
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royulery
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if we are killing ourselves faster than they are, well than they are better friends to us than we are.
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royulery
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Incredulous
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The suicide data the DOD releases is under-reported, several suicides remain "under investigation" and are never actually included in the data, or the data is selectively dispersed to juggle the numbers in reporting periods.
It is even worse than what they are willing to admit.
Bring the troops home. We don't need our sons and daughters off in some other nation killing people to ensure corporate access to markets and resources.
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extracrazykiwi2008
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WOW! Do the soldiers have any suggestions to improve things?
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extracrazykiwi2008
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samthesixth
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extracrazykiwi2008:
Great question.
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samthesixth
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Cynic2
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As long as they keep sending kids overandoverandover again into clusterfuck wars, you'll see more suicides.
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monkeyeatmusic
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Out of all the statistics pertaining to the US wars...this should be the one that convinces all skeptics that WE ARE LOSING
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monkeyeatmusic
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oppressed1
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We don't kill women and children you fucks. Do you not think that the collateral damage I'n ww2 was much higher than it is now
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oppressed1
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oppressed1:
I really do respect and honor the US soldiers. Im sorry but, oppressed1, yes, ww2 was fought with honor, courage, and valiancie! But, the Iraq/Middle eastern war...Was a cowards war, built on profit from big corporations that bought our politicians. Some soldiers came to the realisation that the Iraq war was nothing but a scam, and after they witness innocent children and other people being brutally and with out reason flat out murdered. Ofcourse it is goin to have an impact on there conscience.
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oppressed1:
Yes, the army does kill innocent women, children, and men. Go look at Wikileaks noob. Bwahahaha, ignorance is bliss. Here is the link, I think you prefer pictures to words so here:
http://www.iraqwarlogs.com/category/civilian-deaths/
We have been killing innocent lives for oil since Vietnam, nonstop.
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NiceN
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oppressed1:
Actually, yes you do kill women and children. It has been documented. You also torture innocent combatants and civilians in illegal prisons. However, even the twenty-something males that you kill have done nothing wrong. THEY'RE INSURGENTS NOT TERRORISTS. Drop an Army in my backyard and drive tanks around my town and believe me my friends and I would go all out McGuyver building IEDs every way we could.
Get it! They're illegal wars for Imperialism and profit! Not a single act of terrorism on American soil has ever been proven to have originated by Middle-Eastern Muslims. Israel is guilty of far more serious acts against America and may have been behind most of the attacks blamed on Muslims. The soldiers, most of them, are figuring this out. These wars are for Halliburton, KBR, and Wall Street and have absolutely nothing to do with American freedom. Unless you are talking about the freedom we have lost due to our enemies in Washington. Freedoms Lost is the name of these wars while WWII stood for freedoms defended.
Obama forgot to tell the truth the other night in the State of the Union address. The truth is that America is financially falling apart and will never be able to recover for one reason and one reason only.
KILLING FOREIGNERS IS VERY VERY EXPENSIVE!
HOW MANY ROADS COULD BE RE-BUILT IN AMERICA FOR EVERY BOMB DROPPED IN AFGHANISTAN?
THE BANKS NEEDED YOUR MONEY DURING THE BAILOUT FOR ONE REASON!
TO FUND MORE WARS!
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Monkey_Films
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oppressed1:
Some of you do. Oh and don't forget rape.
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oppressed1:
46 per cent of the victims whose gender could be determined were female and 39 per cent were children.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/5161326/Number-of-wome...
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Gravity_Man:
Whatever you say is ok with me. I got mine in Vietnam, that's why I mentioned it. I think about these kids everyday. To think that they chose to no longer live among us is frightening.
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Kyl
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a619ko:
...Except that at the end of WWII (and the Nuremberg trials)... the US government recruited several high ranking Nazis into it's own establishment. It's well documented. Why would we destroy the Nazis and then recruit them into our own government?
I have friends that are soldiers... and I certainly don't want our soldiers to die... but WWII was not fought out of benevolence on our part. There was more going on. It was a power grab.
The men who fought did so with courage, and for a good cause (including members of my family)... but our government wasn't motivated in the same way. It was a segue to furthering control and power. I know this isn't a very popular view, and will probably get me voted down, but it's the truth. A major growth spurt in our military industrial complex happened because of this war... factories were converted to making war machines, and many men and women gave time and their lives to further this cause, whatever it was... and look what we've become... the very thing we were fighting against: Tyrants.
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NiceN
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That's weird. Most of the veterans in WW2 only came home to make babies. Oh right, their war was one fought by heroes DEFENDING innocent lives; instead of killing women and children for oil.
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Monkey_Films
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Anyone have any ideas why? I do. It's hard to fight and kill civilians in illegal wars and live with yourself. An insurgent is not a terrorist and these countries were better off before we came. Saddam kept Iraq under control.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films:
Afghanistan shouldn't have harbored terrorists.
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FtheBULLSHT:
What terrorists? Read the 9/11 Commission report. No Muslims were ever proven to have taken part in 9/11. Israeli Mossad agents were captured videotaping the event from the George Washington Bridge. The United Arab Emirates have been proven to have been involved.
However! Bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" have never been linked to 9/11!
Al Qaeda does not exist. Al Qaeda means, literally, 'The File'. Why? Because Al Qaeda was the name that the CIA used for 'the file' containing the names of Middle-Eastern operatives for the CIA. Bin Laden was one of them, YES, a CIA operative. Most of the other men named mysteriously after 9/11 had CIA and FBI ties.
Yes, insurgents fight us in these countries. But, these are not terrorists that were involved in attacking us. These are people who don't like foreign armies taking control of there country.
Yes, even in these times of propaganda and censorship combined with modern McCarthyism, I will state the un-speakable.
I don't blame them. If you get shot fighting for oil on a foreign land by someone defending their country, it's your fault. Don't call them terrorists. Call them patriots because that is what they truly are.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films:
Al Qaeda means "the base" not "the file."
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samthesixth
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samthesixth:
Yes, translated it means 'the base' but as I stated, 'the base' is a computer file of CIA operatives. So, essentially when they say that Al Qaeda was responsible, the illiterate masses in America think they are talking about Muslim terrorists when they actually mean that the CIA was responsible. It's kind of an inside joke on the American people.
On the day after the July 7th, 2005 bombings on London transport, former foreign secretary Robin Cook MP wrote what turned out to be his penultimate newspaper column for the Guardian. In it he revealed something about al-Qaeda that perhaps he shouldn't have.
Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.
Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
As far as I know, this was the first time publicly, in the anglophone world, that the al-Qaeda name had been explained as referring to a computer database.
In the francophone world, a colourful former French military intelligence officer, Pierre-Henri Bunel, had had a book published in 2004, "Proche-Orient, une guerre mondiale?", extracts of which appeared [in French] on a French conspiracy website. The extract went into some detail of how al-Qaeda originally referred to a computer database of Islamist fighters. But, AFAIK, it was not until after Robin Cook had revealed the same in the Guardian, and after his death a month later, that an English translation of Bunel's words appeared on the web. It's a rough translation, which doesn't read well. But the basic outline of his account accords with what Cook had revealed.
Here's my suspicion: that Robin Cook knew nothing about P-H Bunel's book or article, and that his knowledge of the origin of the Qaeda name stemmed solely from his time at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. In other words, that both men had, independently of each other, revealed that, as they understood it, the designation 'al-Qaeda' had originally referred to a computer database. And, according to Bunel, that that name had been operative at least by the mid-'80s.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films:
MI5 the government published its 'narrative' of the July 7th bombings [.pdf]. Annex 3 of the whitewash was a chronology of the development of modern jihadism. Extract:
c1984 Radical preacher Abdullah Azzam set up an organisation called Maktab al-Khidmat (MAK) "Bureau of Services" to disseminate propaganda about jihad in Afghanistan. Usama bin Laden (UbL) joins.
1989 Withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan. UbL returns to Saudi Arabia. Decision by MAK to continue to support jihadist causes. Thinking around "the base" or "foundation" (translation: Al Qaida) for further operations articulated.
1988-89 UbL disagreement over focus of the cause and starts to form Al Qaida. [...]
So, MI5's version of the aetiology of the 'Qaeda' name makes no mention of computer databases, or its use by western intelligence agencies before 1989, and it repeats previous explanations as to its origins. So, either Cook and Bunel were wrong, or they were right but wrong to reveal it. And while Bunel is a peripheral figure lacking credibility, Robin Cook was neither.
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Monkey_Films
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Monkey_Films:
Very interesting points you raise. I will look into this more. Thank you for the information.
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