Community | January 31, 2011 | 150 comments

Inequality In America Worse Than Tunisia,Egypt,& Yemen

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Gini Coefficients are like golf – the lower the score, the better (i.e. the more equality).
According to the CIA World Fact Book, the U.S. is ranked as the 42nd most unequal country in the world, with a Gini Coefficient of 45.
In contrast:

* Tunisia is ranked the 62nd most unequal country, with a Gini Coefficient of 40.

* Yemen is ranked 76th most unequal, with a Gini Coefficient of 37.7.

* And Egypt is ranked as the 90th most unequal country, with a Gini Coefficient of around 34.4.

And inequality in the U.S. has soared in the last couple of years, since the Gini Coefficient was last calculated, so it is undoubtedly currently much higher.
So why are Egyptians rioting, while the Americans are complacent?
Well, Americans – until recently – have been some of the wealthiest
people in the world, with most having plenty of comforts (and/or
entertainment) and more than enough to eat.
But another reason is that – as Dan Ariely of Duke University and Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School demonstrate – Americans consistently underestimate the amount of inequality in our nation.
As William Alden wrote last September:

Americans vastly underestimate the degree of wealth inequality in America, and we believe that the distribution should be far more equitable than it actually is, according to a new study.(more at link)
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150 comments // Inequality In America Worse Than Tunisia,Egypt,& Yemen

  • bigbusinesshawk
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      bigbusinesshawk  
    • There is two three fold reason why people in America seem to be uninterested in the fact that the wage scale isn't more equitable here in the US.Number one the youth are all wrapped up in gaining a college education which is a good thing.But a lot f the youth have become sort of apathetic because their attention has been diverted because of all the new toys like cell-phone texting and note pads etc.Number two you have the baby boomers who are also split on their thinking.One one side you have your retired baby boomers who are fairly satisfied but are frustrated because their home value has dropped.But overall the older population sort has a mind set that they for the most part have"made it through "so to speak.But the third and most troubling reason why a certain segment of our society doesn't seem concerned about the Inequality of our wage scale is because you have a large group that are in fact educated who are doing ok for themselves and still have dreams of joining "the elite wealthy"club of America someday.

    • 1 year ago
  • SparkyJP
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      SparkyJP  
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    • If we today want to better understand why billions in take-home for hedge fund managers really do imperil us all, we might want to revisit what those business leaders from days gone by had to say.

      http://toomuchonline.org/americas-most-egalitarian-banker/

      In the years leading up to the Great Depression, that concentrating was accelerating. A “giant suction pump,” charged Eccles, “had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth.”

      “In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands,” Eccles observed, “the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.”

      Sound familiar?

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
    • I have traveled to lots of third world countries mostly in Latin America. The average poor person in America has no idea what "REAL" poverty is. I am not arguing that there is a large chasm between those who have a lot and those who have a little, but you can trust me when I tell you America is a pretty good place to be poor in if you have to be poor.

    • 1 year ago
  • figgdimension
  • bailey78
  • figgdimension
    • +1
      figgdimension  
    • Well,... Thanks for all the comments sparked some interesting debates no hard feelings.? Oh, and you guys get the "Silly-Rabbits tricks are for kids" badge. Do you always listen to the Cia Fact Book?(I mean really wtf is that?!)(not that i wanna know either just saying...) weird... until next time Peace

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • Almibry:

      They are rioting because a young Tunisian boy set himself on fire in silent civil disobedient protest to a Regime that then spread to neighboring(regimes) countries(i.e. Egypt) where other young men set themselves on fire..sparking the mass protests / read the stories in the Telegraph or the BBC World ..They have planned elections coming up but yes thats been the sticking point in Egypt is a "democratically" elected 30 year pres. (yea right) it was always fixed.. but the rioters were originally calling for jobs reform(large well educated younger unemployed) and food price reduction,stopping of suppression of assembly and press ,not a call for the point to where it isnow (throwing govt all out) .it has escalated over a series of weeks

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
  • strive4peace
  • figgdimension
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  • Gillian_Marktoo
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      Gillian_Marktoo  
    • strive4peace:

      Inequality rating is going by the lowest to highest salaries defined by tax returns usually. You then look at how many people fit into each category. You then are looking for a nice titty shape in distribution, like one perfect symmetric hill.

      When you see two tits forming instead, you got problems, if it looks like the right side lost the fight and you see one huge left leaning tit, you got a really big poverty problem.

      You will never see a right leaning tit, because that would mean we all suddenly won the lottery.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gillian_Marktoo
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      Gillian_Marktoo  
    • What it's about is - when you have a great disparity growing between the haves and have nots - you end up with civil unrest and governance starts to fall apart. Sure we can keep reaffirming ourselves how great our way of life is, but it will backfire when the people who don't think that way reach a critical mass.

    • 1 year ago
  • figgdimension
  • jamfan1921
  • CreditFigaro
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      CreditFigaro  
    • jamfan1921:

      Money is just a medium of exchange that we use to attach value. Behind the dollars and cents is the economic reality. One dollar in one function doesn't equate to one dollar in another, for a lot of reasons.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • samthesixth
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • oppressed1
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      oppressed1  
    • Head over to one of those countries ladies. Watch how they are beat and forced wear veils then come back to this post and bitch About inequality.

    • 1 year ago
  • extracrazykiwi2008
  • Nephwrack
  • ii386
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      ii386  
    • oppressed1:

      You would be fun to meet. Unlike ayipis, I believe that your comments are the genuine result of your thought and opinion. Therefore, it is stunning to see how your ignorance gets displayed in every word you type.

    • 1 year ago
  • gepma44
  • Incredulous
  • onemalefla
  • onemalefla
  • figgdimension
  • Incredulous
  • bailey78
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • America went to war in Bosnia for the Muslims.

      America went to war in Afghanistan for the Muslims.

      America went to war in Iraq for the Muslims.

      America has taken in millions of Muslim refugees.

      America gives billions in economic aid to Islamic Egypt, far more than any other country in the world.

      America pays billions to Islamic countries for their dirty filthy polluting overpriced gasoline.

      America gives millions in aid to the Terrorist Palestinians

      etc...

      A thank you from the Islamic world would be sufficient. Instead we get terror, and the useful idiots on here in defense of that terror.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • ArchDruid:

      I'm flattered. Just playing my part in the just war against the forces of darkness. Pity you're on the wrong side. But that's your problem buddy, and it's your soul. Good luck with that. And calling someone a troll is a cheap cop out. It's a worn out cliche used to dismiss anyone who challenges your world view. Pathetic.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • ArchDruid
  • samthesixth
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • crystalman:

      its true I'm the" Darknesses" in fact I had a close relationship with the late Rick James ..we even have the same b-day... " Come to the Dark side...Crystalman I am your Father...."(ewww creepy) I think I'll change my name to Darkness ...Thanks CrystalHead

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • alexandrek
  • EmperorThan
  • EmperorThan
  • Nephwrack
  • Nephwrack
  • NiceN
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • Image
    • and so it continues ...if you know something i don't why don't you post a more accurate one but as i know you don.t can't and won't here's a funny you hostile neo-cons

    • 1 year ago
  • keithponder
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • PzLuvHappeniz
  • Nephwrack
  • thepatient
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • Almibry:

      The problem is you don't see the poor and powerless...but they are there they don't need your belief or sympathy they need what you all so casually throw around freedom of speech then you'd know since its the only way most of you will ever get a socially conscience bone in your body ...when the suffering is so prevalent it surpasses your blatant denial and choice to look the other way ... the problem is they aren't a voice at all and your to foolish to see the calm before the storm...GROW UP!

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • Nephwrack
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • figgdimension:

      Not true. Homeless people can vote.
      To register, a prospective voter must be:

      * A citizen of the United States
      * A legal resident of your state*
      * At least 18 years old on Election Day
      * Not in prison, on probation, or on parole or convicted of a felony (varies by State)
      * Not declared mentally incompetent by a court (varies by State)
      * Some states want a current and valid driving license

      Check it out:
      http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voter-registration/voter-reg.shtml
      http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm
      http://www.register-vote.com/
      If you don't believe me, try something novel and do some of your own research.

      FYI I never said you said anything. I was just asking a perfectly valid question. From your first statement you sounded like you were calling me ignorant, and I know I'm not so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant something else. I was just trying to figure out what that was.

      *Edited- "legal resident" defined below.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
  • StandaboveUnderstand
  • StandaboveUnderstand
  • StandaboveUnderstand
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • StandaboveUnderstand:

      I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.
      Homeless people CAN vote. The biggest obstacle homeless people face when it comes to being registered to vote is lack of information and you're not helping them by being misinformed yourself.
      And the USA IS a democracy. The way to solve our problems is not to throw a tantrum by participating in the destruction of public and private property, then looting it. I can't understand why anyone would think that's going to solve anything because when the smoke clears, the only thing that will have changed is the aesthetics of your neighborhood and the way civil servants view the rioters: You'll have gone from average citizen to a pain in the ass and a public health hazard who needs to have a shorter leash.

      So yeah. I'm going to stick to voting.

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
    • Almibry:

      The requirement to vote within states vary. But there is a distinction between "domicile" and "residence". i.e. One can be a resident of a state, and not be a property owner. As long as they are 18 years of age, and have lived in the state within the state's set limit, then they are allowed to vote.
      The problem they will face is proving it.
      Yet another blessing of bureaucracy.

      You are right. Homeless people can vote. But it's difficult.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • Almibry:

      Ok thanks for clearing that up I'll get that info out to the homeless when I'm volunteering I'm sure that 'll warm their nights ( I have yet to see the homeless person with out criminal record or mental competence or a drivers license for that matter ) you have really well prepared homeless where your from ?!) don't get all info-graphic on me now im just saying

    • 1 year ago
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Almibry:

      "The way to solve our problems is not to throw a tantrum by participating in the destruction of public and private property, then looting it. I can't understand why anyone would think that's going to solve anything because when the smoke clears, the only thing that will have changed is the aesthetics of your neighborhood and the way civil servants view the rioters: You'll have gone from average citizen to a pain in the ass and a public health hazard who needs to have a shorter leash."

      The people riot and loot not because we have some idea that we will change anything ...in fact it is exactly because the people do not believe anything will ever change regardless of whether we live and vote in this Democracy of ours or a fuckin dictatorship. We riot and loot because god DAMN IT we are gonna take what we are owed and damn the fucking system that never changes anyway..and ya your voting does not mean a fucking thing and further more your complete naivety about the tremendous obstacle faced by the poor and homeless in this nation beyond whether or not they can prove their fucking residency is so low on that list it funny and sick and shows the shallow disinterested regard you and far too many in America have for your fellow citizens...And one last thing take that leash and ...well you know the rest and i want others to read this post so we'll leave the rest to the imaginations of the reader.

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Almibry:

      "It's nearly impossible for a homeless person to register when they think that they can't."
      That is the most Campy shit ,...Jesus you have no fucking clue do you?

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • hombre76:

      "Shallow disinterest"? At least I put in the effort to confirm if what the majority of people believe is actually true. You shouldn't be angry: all I did was say that homeless people can legally vote and recommend a few ways to help. If that makes me naive, then I'll take it as a complement. But I'm not at all surprised by your anger, when you think that you can "take what is yours" from "a system" that is miles above the "systems" of other countries, by STEALING and putting the lives of average citizens at risk who are likely working their asses off for little to no money while the real dough goes to the CEOs who own the businesses, MY nativity doesn't seem to be the problem here. The problem is the belief that you are owed anything. The problem is, you think Big Brother is responsible for all your life's woes when Big Brother has little or nothing to do with your life as you live it from day to day. The problem is that you think you can't change anything and the biggest problem is: you probably never even tried if it looked hard. Do you go to council meetings and talk about something other than burning down the homes of people who disagree with you? Do you vote for your representatives in you city and state governments? That's where you're going to find your change, and if that's not how it works in your country, maybe you should move to the US. It's not perfect, but it sure as hell beats Egypt.

      BTW, if a homeless person thinks it's illegal for them to vote, do you think they're going to try to vote? The answer is no because reasonable people don't like to challenge the law when they don't have the means or knowledge to challenge it, so they won't even try.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • figgdimension:

      Where I live now, if there are homeless people, they wouldn't survive the winter, but in central FL (where I grew up) there is a very high population of homeless and from my conversations with them, they are "prepared" enough to go through the registration process as long as there is no travel involved.

    • 1 year ago
  • cerci_girl
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      cerci_girl  
    • i find this completely hard to believe- i hate america as much as any other country does but i still believe we make great strives to be as equal to one another as humanly possible. yes we do have our slip ups, but come on we're doin much better than other countries out there such as afghanistan where women are burning themselves to death because tis the only way they can make public how theyre being terrible mistreated.

    • 1 year ago
  • toyotabedzrock
  • Nephwrack
  • wally60
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      wally60  
    • i think one would have to go to these countries and see how they live i think people here would be shocked its like going back 50 years.we are spoiled brats in the US.even if i do work 12 hours a day.

    • 1 year ago
  • toyotabedzrock
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      toyotabedzrock  
    • wally60:

      There are more people on the street every day.

      There are young people that start selling their bodies to pay the bills. It's something I noticed after that scandal of the anti-gay guy being caught with one last year.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • alexandrek
  • figgdimension
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • Inequality In America Worse Than Tunisia,Egypt,& Yemen ? That may be true, but I ain't trying to leave here to live in Tunisia, Egypt or Yemen and you ain't either. .Everybody over there would gladly trade places with you or me. How is inequality being defined ? You got truth and bullshit all fucked up. Egypt doesn't even have access to Current right now for someone to even give a response to this crap. I have quality problems. I sleep, eat and live good and I ain't trying to give up my seat on this great ship to someone in a row boat.

      When was the last time that you saw a woman in America stoned to death for committing adultery or someone hung without a trial for drug trafficking. Women don't have to cover up 95% of their bodies and walk behind men over here. That's inequality

      You're selling hype. Get this shit off of the Front Page.

      VOTE DOWN

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • alexandrek:

      Tunisia and Egypt both are great countries. I'm not disputing that. They're both poor countries also and Yemen is dirt poor. We send Egypt over 1 billion dollars in foreign aid every year. For what if the quality of life is so great over there.? The quality of life over there on the average is horrible and the Muslim world still treats women like 2nd class citizens.

      Because the Mediterranean ocean is beautiful is not going to make me want to leave anywhere in the Middle East. I can get Egyptian and Tunisian food right here in Atlanta Georgia 7 days out of the week.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • figgdimension
  • ozoneocean
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      ozoneocean  
    • keithponder:

      Egypt gets that aid so that they stay a loyal ally and a buffer zone for Israel. Israel gets more aid that Egypt and the Israeli quality of life is marvellous.
      Aid is only an indicator of world politics, not quality of life.

      Muslim women are not treated as second class citizens in the Muslim world. Only in specific countries. Indonesia and Malaysia have the world's largest Muslim populations and Indonesia is a bigger democracy than the US, women there are treated reasonable equal.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  
    • alexandrek:

      I'm all for presentation, but I'd much rather eat a meal that tastes better than it looks.
      And the Brits? Well I've never eaten any of their cooking but they're notorious for boiling any/everything they can get their hands on, and unless it's tea or potatoes, I'm not interested.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • samthesixth
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • ozoneocean:

      precisely my point. How are you defining inequality ? The state of Israel is wealthy, but they live in fear and you call that marvelous ? Please.

      I'm a member of a downtrodden race that has been in this country for well over 400 years. Just when we were just beginning to experience the freedoms that my enslaved ancestors suffered and died for, the bottom began to fall out. I personally have experienced racism throughout my entire life, but I've never been poor so please stop preaching to the choir. I would not want to live any place else but here. Those of us that have experienced inequality are usually the ones that can best describe about it.

      Again, I would not trade places with anyone living in Tunisia,Egypt or Yemen.

    • 1 year ago
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