Bradley Manning is a British citizen - but why isn't the UK government helping him?
For some it may come as a shock that Bradley Manning, the soldier being held in a maximum security military prison in Virginia on suspicion of having passed a massive amount of US state secrets to WikiLeaks, is in fact British.
Although born in the US which automatically makes him a US citizen as well, Manning is also a UK citizen by descent from his Welsh mother, Susan.
The British government is now under pressure to take up his case with the US authorities just like they did with British inmates at Guantánamo Bay.
The issue of Manning's nationality has been furiously covered on Twitter in recent days and has been taken up by the UK branch of the Bradley Manning supporters network.
But so far Manning's British status has not become part of the UK authorities's agenda. The British embassy in Washington said it had not received any requests to visit Manning in jail.
Usually the UK government would not intervene in cases of dual nationality where the person is held in the other country, but there are exceptions on humanitarian grounds, including claims of inhumane treatment.
Amnesty International has today called on the UK government to intervene on Manning's behalf and demand that the conditions of his detention, which the organisation calls "harsh and punitive", are in line with international standards.
Amnesty's UK director, Kate Allen, said: "His Welsh parentage means the UK government should demand his 'maximum custody' status does not impair his ability to defend himself, and we would also like to see Foreign Office officials visiting him just as they would any other British person detained overseas and potentially facing trial on very serious charges."
Clive Stafford Smith, director of Reprieve, which provides legal assistance to those facing capital punishment and secret imprisonment, likened the conditions under which Manning is held to those in Guantánamo Bay.
"The government took a principled stance on Guantánamo cases even for British residents, let alone citizens, so you would expect it to take the same stance with Manning," he told The Guardian.
How exactly is Manning a UK citizen?
Manning is a UK citizen by descent from his Welsh mother, Susan, born Susan Fox in Haverfordwest in 1953.
She married a US serviceman, Brian Manning, stationed at a US base near the Haverfordwest, and they had a daughter, Casey, in the same year. Bradley was born in Oklahoma in 1987.
Born in the US, Manning is automatically a US citizen. But under the British Nationality Act of 1981, anyone born outside the UK after 1 January 1983 who has a mother who is a UK citizen by birth is British by descent.
Background
Manning has been held at the Quantico marine base in Virginia since last July, having been arrested in Iraq, where he was stationed as a US army intelligence analyst two months previously.
Campaigners say the conditions in which he is being held are wholly disproportionate.
Manning was recently put on suicide watch for two days, in which he was stripped to his underpants, against the advice of prison psychiatrists. He remains on a regulation that keeps him alone in his cell 23 hours a day and requires him to be checked every five minutes, and he is shackled hand and foot when he has visitors.
In December the UN began an investigation into his treatment to see if it amounted to torture.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/01/bradley-manning-uk-citizen
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tommic
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While I support Wikileaks, I must say that Bradley Manning knowingly divulged information in strict defiance of military law. His conditions should be fair, which they are not, I also think there should be extenuating circumstances outlined here as Bushes war in Iraq was Illegal under international law. Presscore you mentioned to me you were a trained attorney and cztheday is as well, whats your guys take on the extenuating circumstances in his defense. You both know more than I on this. And do you or are you familiar with military law?
- 1 year ago
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tommic
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danielcook291984
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Definition of TRAITOR
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treasonNo victims here, you make a promise , then you keep it!
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danielcook291984
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Incredulous
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danielcook291984:
"do as I say, not as I do"
--US government
- 1 year ago
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Incredulous
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LeeGreen
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danielcook291984:
By your own definition, Britain and the U.S.A are also traitors, and in fact Manning is doing the right thing in exposing the truth about the war. Media and government officials have been proven to lie and mislead people on this matter from day one. I think it is in the interest of the UK and US people to know this information which is being leaked. Also I think any person who willingly fights and kills in a war of fought for commercial interests should be labeled a traitor to their people, armies are meant to be for "protection" but all they have ever been used for is aggression!
Read Some Stuff, Speak to People, Do Not Remain Ignorant to the Truth!
Bless
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LeeGreen
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alexandrek [removed]
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alexandrek [removed]
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LeeGreen
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alexandrek:
no unfortunatley we do not have democracy in the UK it is an illusion! and when the leader changes it makes no difference at all, yes some things change, some laws or taxes but in essence they are the same, a group of political "elite" who serve their own interests and that of multinational corporations.
Babylons Falling!
Peace
- 1 year ago
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LeeGreen
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pukemnukem
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He is not a British citizen. You can't serve in the US military with dual citizenship. You basically give up your right to dual citizenship at MEPS.
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pukemnukem
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Polochick09
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Why isn't the UK Government helping him? Because the earth is the insane asylum.
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Polochick09
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KSirys
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The better question is, why aren't the people and the Democrats (the voice of the people) in this country helping him?
If Manning did what he did, isn't the truth what we have been looking for? and asking for?
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KSirys
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bailey78
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KSirys:
just goes to show Ya that the republicans and the democrates are one in the same now days.
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bailey78
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Robotic091
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KSirys:
its POLOTICS..... my friend
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Robotic091
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DougChristian
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KSirys:
What Manning did was a crime. Only the far fringes of either party oppose the rule of law.
What truth were you looking for that you have now found? Truth is not necessarily found in a random sample of State Department cables. These were very low level classification and they don't say much that wasn't known before. Anything worth knowing is classified much higher and not about to leak anytime soon. It seems to me a lot of liberals have substituted all the terrible things they imagine and know the Bush Administration did for what's actually in these leaks.
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DougChristian
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toyotabedzrock
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DougChristian:
They where not a random sampling. And they have told us quiet alot.
Anonymous did mass faxing of the related cables to Egypt and help the people in Tunisa see them.
We haven't substituted any of it. He is still a war criminal.
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toyotabedzrock
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LeeGreen
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KSirys:
Democrat is just a word my friend.....they help only them selves they are not practicing democracy
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LeeGreen
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ArchDruid [removed]
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ArchDruid [removed]
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bailey78
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ArchDruid:
it happens a lot quicker than most think. The insane thing ya know.
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bailey78
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Incredulous
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ArchDruid:
but that's not torture?
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Incredulous
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bailey78
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He may have had good intentions but boy did he go about it the wrong way. His life as He knew it is over He will never be the same person.
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bailey78
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Stever_B
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bailey78:
Manning or Obama?
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Stever_B
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bailey78
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Stever_B:
hell they both made poor choices so take a poke at either one.
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bailey78
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treewolf39
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bailey78:
He ratted on himself to his friend. He could have not said a word and remained anonymous. The Information needed airing. Collateral Murder allowed Americans to see what the rest of the world knew.
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treewolf39
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bailey78
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treewolf39:
well that just makes him a dumbass with good intentions. I would also like to say if you do something ILLEGAL Then don't bragg about it because one of your so called friends is going to rat you out.
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bailey78
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xgmrx
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bailey78:
when this story first came out i did a lot of reading on his conversation with Lamo. At the time some people seemed to think that Lamo told Manning that he was a journalist and as such he would protect his identity and that's why he never showed the beginning of his conversation with Manning which would show that he was a liar and betrayed manning in order to get media attention.
Although i have no idea whether it is true or not it makes perfect sense that that could have happened.
I just hope that manning can hold on to his sanity till help comes, if it ever does...
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xgmrx
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bailey78
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xgmrx:
like i said don't trust anyone they will flip ya for a burger even if they just ate.
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bailey78
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DougChristian
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xgmrx:
How is that relevant? He's guilty of the crime he's charged with. There is no help coming nor will there ever be.
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DougChristian
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DougChristian
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treewolf39:
Which was what exactly?
The opposite is probably more accurate: the rest of the world got to see what Americans already knew. For example, that Mideast dictators are corrupt and itching for war. The US State Department actually came out looking honest and sophisticated. So much so that it seems plausible to me that the documents were intentional leaks.
I think it would be great if all the world's dark secrets were laid bare. But I also think it's very weird that you seem to think that's what Wikileaks has already done. And it makes me wonder if there's a limit to the amount of misinformation you would buy without thinking if it came from Wikileaks.
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DougChristian
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xgmrx
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DougChristian:
It may not be relevant to his case but i wasnt talking about that, i was only referring to the fact that MAYBE when he spoke with Lamo he wasn't just opening up with a random stranger like we are led to believe, MAYBE he was led to believe that his conversation with Lamo was protected under Journalism Confidentiality and that Lamo wouldn't be forced to reveal who his source was... if that's the case, how would he know that Lamo would turn on him for publicity, like i said, this is all a MAYBE, anyone claiming to know exactly what happened is just full of sh!t
He may have committed a crime but he did that to expose many other crimes and just as it happened to Daniel Ellsberg i hope that eventually the people will exonerate him of his alleged crimes and one day he will be a free man again.
Or else what are we teaching our future soldiers?
Shut up if you see something wrong or you may be locked up for the rest of your life!
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xgmrx
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DougChristian
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xgmrx:
But we're not teaching that lesson at all.
The problem is that you're thinking of Manning as a whistle blower. You're pretending as if he was perusing documents and found evidence of a crime and leaked it. If he had done that he would be a whistle blower and deserving of full protection under the law. He did not do that. He didn't read any of the cables. He just stole a massive number of US state secrets and gave them to a foreign agent. Practically everything he stole was a legitimate secret showing no illegal action.
If there's a lesson it's only that you can still be punished for outright treason in this day and age.
In Ellsberg's case, he had read his Pentagon Papers before he released them. He knew exactly what they said and meant and even tried to get them released through congress before ultimately leaking them. That's actual whistle blowing. The difference is important.
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DougChristian
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toyotabedzrock
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bailey78:
STFU
Just like Daniel Ellsberg he will be fine. However all the Dems will suffer because no one will vote for them if they don't straighten up and do whats right.
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock
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bailey78:
Is that how you live your life always in a state of fear?
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock
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xgmrx:
Lamo claims to be one.
He has a journalist page http://biz.prlog.org/adrian/
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock
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DougChristian:
Oh there is.
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock
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DougChristian:
He did and he is.
And he was overwhelmed by the scope of the BS going on.
Remember the Pentagon Papers? He sat and photocopied thousands of pages.
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toyotabedzrock
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treewolf39
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DougChristian:
What are you talking about? You had inside information that The US military was murdering Iraqis unprovoked? The state department has been talking out of both sides of its mouth and it looks like they are assholes; global assholes.
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treewolf39
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treewolf39
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bailey78:
Good point. He is young. Both you and I have had time to reflect on our youthful mistakes. I think he will wind up on the right side of history, even if they abuse him to death.
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treewolf39
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bailey78
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toyotabedzrock:
YES! I must say the only thing I truely fear is My government.
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bailey78
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bailey78
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toyotabedzrock:
No He is screwed. He let others know what He did .
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bailey78
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xgmrx
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DougChristian:
Clearly you did not even read his conversation with Lamo (or should i say, the parts that he released).
Because what you are speaking of is exactly what he did, he went trough the cables and was overwhelmed by what he saw and decided the people should be aware of it.
Keep in mind that we have only seen a very tiny percentage of all the cables and so far we already know so much.
Or by his own words:
(1:45:00 PM) Lamo: what kind of scandal?
(1:45:16 PM) Manning: hundreds of them
(1:45:40 PM) Lamo: like what? I’m genuinely curious about details.
(1:46:01 PM) Manning: i dont know… theres so many… i dont have the original material anymore
(1:46:18 PM) Manning: uhmm… the Holy See and its position on the Vatican sex scandals
(1:46:26 PM) Lamo: play it by ear
(1:46:29 PM) Manning: the broiling one in Germany
(1:47:36 PM) Manning: im sorry, there’s so many… its impossible for any one human to read all quarter-million… and not feel overwhelmed… and possibly desensitized
(1:48:20 PM) Manning: the scope is so broad… and yet the depth so rich
(1:48:50 PM) Lamo: give me some bona fides … yanno? any specifics.
(1:49:40 PM) Manning: this one was a test: Classified cable from US Embassy Reykjavik on Icesave dated 13 Jan 2010
(1:50:30 PM) Manning: the result of that one was that the icelandic ambassador to the US was recalled, and fired
(1:51:02 PM) Manning: thats just one cable… - 1 year ago
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xgmrx
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toyotabedzrock
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Obama is making a huge mistake if he thinks that progressive political prudence will save him come the next election.
Everyday he continues this injustice the less chance he has to get any support from his base.
There are not enough African American voters to save you Mr. Obama. If they even vote for you since you haven't done much for them.
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock:
If you're willing to give the country to radical right wing conservatives because Obama didn't pardon this criminal that you like, you're not really a progressive. Manning broke the law and will serve his time. The alternative Party to Obama's would like to see Manning hung in the street and Assange taken out with a drone. Snap out of it.
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DougChristian
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toyotabedzrock
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DougChristian:
Sorry thats a false choice. I will not vote for something that is wrong. And I will also encourage friends to do the same.
He is a whistle blower and should be protected.
I will be just fine when 2 years pass and I have a worthwhile Dem to vote for.
Obama has pursed policies worse than Bush and is nothing more than an accomplish to torture.
When we find someone who murdered 30 years ago they go to jail, but he refuses to investigate the crimes in the past 10 years.
He only makes things worse since it sets a rights violating precedent.
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toyotabedzrock
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theblackveil
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ArchDruid:
Wish I could just rate this up a billion times.
ppl r dum
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theblackveil
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toyotabedzrock
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ArchDruid:
That does not override the constitution or treaties we have signed.
Being in the Army is Not That Special.
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toyotabedzrock