States seek to copy Arizona immigration law that would allow law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of legal immigration status

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The disputed Arizona law would allow law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of legal immigration status. In July, a U.S. district judge granted the Obama administration's request for an injunction blocking parts of the trailblazing law, which raised many legal questions, including whether local officials can legally enforce federal immigration law and whether such local enforcement could lead to unconstitutional racial profiling.
That hasn't deterred elected officials elsewhere — legislation closely modeled on Arizona's law has been introduced in at least 15 other states since the beginning of the year. (See box below.) And legislators in other states say they're awaiting clarification from the courts before introducing their own measures.
The issue is simple, they say: Illegal immigrants are breaking the law, taking jobs and services from U.S. citizens and legal residents.
"It's a huge problem," said Republican Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant of Mississippi, where the state Senate last month became the first state legislative chamber to pass a bill modeled on the Arizona measure.
Opponents contend that such measures would unconstitutionally institutionalize racial profiling, leaving anyone who looks or sounds "different" vulnerable to being targeted by police — "just like the way African-Americans were discriminated years before," said Sole Arrellano, an organizer for the Mississippi Immigrants Rights Alliance.
Democratic state Sen. David Jordan, who is black, also said opposition to the bill crossed racial and ethnic lines.
"Those of us who have been in the struggle to see how things were done have to be skeptical of anything targeting African-Americans and Latinos," Jordan said.
TheGrio: Black and brown unite to fight Mississippi immigration bill
En Español: Immigration news and updates from Telemundo
Dividing line for Republicans
While the measures haven't gotten the national attention the Arizona law commanded, they are dividing legislators and immigration activists just as sharply.
Massachusetts police arrested a man last month and accused him of sending a threatening e-mail to Will Snyder, a Republican who introduced an Arizona-style law in the Florida House.
"You better just stop that ridiculous law if you value your and your family's lives, a------," the e-mail said, according to The Miami Herald.
They're also putting high-profile governors on the spot in states with large immigrant populations.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41182588/
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Camille_Jackson
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No one gets that even if this becomes active it won't fix the problem o illegal immigrant, all they will do is get better papers!
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hammywill
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Headline is a complete fabrication. Voted down. Intentionally misleading.
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hammywill:
i wasn't trying to mislead anyone it says it right in the article
"The disputed Arizona law would allow law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of legal immigration status. " - 2 years ago
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bundlebear:
The Arizona law does not allow that. I am not in favor of the law anyway, but it does not allow for law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of their immigration status.
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hammywill:
wouldn't stop any police officers making up something as an excuse
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bundlebear:
Thats true,....but any cop can drag off virtually ANYONE anyway for "suspicion" of " public impairment of function" ( something like that )-note- I forget what they actually call that in Texas,....but you get the gist. No actual evidence is required as it is for an officer to virtually harass at will. They just dont tend to do it to the rich and powerful.
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hammywill:
agreed.
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remanns:
i think we call it "probable cause" in california
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JohnA [removed]
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Every country on Earth has immigration laws. The vast majority of countries much harsher than ours. So why are we evil for enforcing our more open laws and every other country can enforce their more stringent laws and nobody says a word about them?
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alexandrek:
"Fresh meat for old" is NOT a particular enticing maxim !
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they need to make the fines against businesses that hire illegal labor punitive.
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Nephwrack:
yepper. that would pretty much wrap up the whole issue,....if they REALLY did it.
( Big Business will NEVER let it happen, I am afraid. )
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bailey78
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Just one more step in makeing us just like Nazi Germany
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simplecj:
Papers please !
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simplecj:
Sir I need to see your papers !! I love all human life some I think are fools others sick. Then you have some that are just trying to get by day to day. I believe most all those that believe they need to be heard by all and say they know what the real truth is are the sickest of all. I do not know Glenn Beck I do not listen to that kind of Garbage it makes one blind to the truth.
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bailey78:
Is any other country on earth comparable to the United States because they enforce their immigration laws? Mexico has much tougher immigration laws than we do, are they Nazis? Or is it just us?
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JohnA:
alright then boot them out and make those on welfare move into those jobs. As I see it we are all here iilegally at one time or another. well most of us . The natives might what their land back so I guess we all should packup and move away. Does that work even better for you?
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JohnA:
hey I need to see your papers by the way.
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bailey78:
Ha ha! As soon as Barack shows his, I'll show mine. ;-)
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bailey78:
That doesn't answer the question. Are we the only country that are Nazis for seeking to enforce our immigration laws we have on the books, or are other countries also Nazis for enforcing the immigration laws they have on their books?
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JohnA:
oh gawd a burfer.
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JohnA:
No we are not the only ones But it does make us a bunch of hypocrites
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JohnA:
I'm sorry but We are going to have to send you to a Re-education camp for ninety days. Don't worry the storm troopers will be by to pick you up.
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Nephwrack:
Just kidding.
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I think the worst part about all of this is the fact that the paperwork needed to prove you're a citizen probably isn't a neat 1.5x3" card that fits in your wallet. It is probably 10-8.5x11" pieces of paper. How are you supposed to carry that around, and would you really want to? What if you fell in the water and ruined your only copy?
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good_stuff:
then they send you to re-education camp so you learn not to do that again.
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simplecj:
Ya might cut yourself on them sharp edges. Then you would have to sue who ever made the paper
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Seems to me that when we do this kind of thing it reflects how disconnected we have become from each other.
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Throowrocks:
I agree. Every business owner that knowingly employs illegal immigrants should be sent to Mexico in a box. The employees can be sent on the bus just like we do today.
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that's great news.
i hope they become law in EVERY STATE and territories. even puerto rico!As far as i'm concerned, they're hearts are probably as dark as their skin and they're ALL here to steal jobs and kill us with our own semi-automatic guns for some drug war. I'm not buying this whole "i risked my life to work for a few hundred bucks a month so that i can provide for my family... because no matter how many people i have to cram into a small house with so we can hide and no matter how many shit jobs i have to take ANYTHING is better than where i come from-- and it's america, if i work hard enough opportunities will arise" act of theirs... they probably are just here to birth terror babies for Al Qaeda.
it's totally fair to think that if someone doesn't look like the people who originally stole this country from those other brown skinned people, then they are probably here illegally.
but why stop there? asking for papers isn't enough, papers can be faked, i bet there's something about their anal cavities that would reveal their legal status-- "papers please, and ima need you to bend over and spread 'em." -- THAT'S the MERICAHN way!
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postlapsaria:
Searching anal cavities? Ewww. That is not a job fit for Americans. Maybe have the citizen in question stick the camera probe up there themselves and a person in India can look at the footage.
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postlapsaria:
great reply, if I dint know better I'd think you were Colbert him self. nice!
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postlapsaria:
So every other country on earth can enforce their immigration laws but us? Ours are much looser than most of the world, but we can't enforce them and everyone else can?
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damn, john, bingo! you're TOO smart, you got me again.
i thought this post/story was about putting new laws into place which would have policemen ask for proof of citizenship of people that might be illegal-- of course they can't profile, so they'll check everyone, anyone with an accent, like brits and aussies; ANY brown person, like the indians... now if there's anyway to put a signal on canadians in case they're here illegally... hmmm.
i didn't know that the laws already existed and this argument is about enforcing our laws. enforcement is fine, we SHOULD enforce-- employers shouldn't hire illegals and pay them under the table-- that's a great idea John, i'm glad you're bringing it up.
i'll revise my comment since apparently this article is wrong-- JohnA, you're so smart, what would I do without you?
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postlapsaria:
Don't worry, buddy. I'm here for you.
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the irony of that cartoon is that if the Native Americans had done that...they might still have their country...probably not though, the evidence strongly suggests that my ancestors were the bigger assholes and would have still taken it by force.
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Incredulous:
I think the entire history of man, is defined by all those folks who CAN,....ALWAYS,.....taking that which they want, by force,. . . .if they can not STEAL it. ALWAYS- - -eventually.
( not saying there are NEVER moments of cultural benign calm,....but they dont "take",...the taking eventually resumes.
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if you can't do those jobs yourself or pay a living wage for them to be done, you are shit out of luck. Go home mexicans etc.
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alexandrek:
If all you can afford to pay someone is $1 an hour, do it yourself.
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alexandrek:
If they were hungry enough.
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It REALLY is scary to think that the Police have the right to stop you for no reason other than you look like you are not an American Citizen. What in the hell does an American look like?
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No problem. simplecj is correct as I understand the Arizona law. The immigration question cannot be used as a primary reason fro a traffic or Terry stop but can come up in the ordinary course of a police/citizen contact. I don't see what the hullaballo is all about.
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Paratus:
Sir, please get out of the car. See hable ES-, um, english? OK.
I clocked you going 46 in a 45 MPH zone, and your bumper sticker reading "Proud Hispanic American" covers an eighth of an inch of the bottom of your rear left taillight.
I'm going to have to give you a ticket. I'd like to see some ID, and proof of citizenship.
Hm, it seems you have been pulled over three times today. I'm going to have to take you in. Please place your hands behind your back.
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UtopianSky:
Sorry UtopianSky, no cigar. You get what's behind door number three.
People don't go to jail for being pulled over for the fourth time in one day. Proof of citizenship is not required for receipt of a ticket. Yes, I know what you are trying to say but it is not working.
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simplecj:
Here's the irony the arizona mass killer was pulled over in a nova for running a red light and let off with a "warning" that misscarage of the law cost US more lives and more money than what "illegals" may or mayn't cost US and can be saved by this kind of laws
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simplecj:
MYTH: The nation spends billions of dollars on welfare for undocumented immigrants.
FACTS: To the contrary, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive any "welfare" benefits and even legal immigrants are severely restricted in the benefits they can receive.
http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html
Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members.
Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than
native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of
the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population
(11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public
benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently
favorable to the U.S., unless the “study” was undertaken by an
anti-immigrant group. In one estimate, immigrants earn about
$240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and
use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the
data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than
the amount of government services they use.http://www.immigrationforum.org/images/uploads/MythsandFacts
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bundlebear:
True, but it's also true that we lose billions to corporations in unpaid taxes and underpayment to "illegals" and that is why no law can ever stop this flow
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ras_menelik:
corporations are evil in my opinion i pay on average about 25% of my income to taxes but corporations pay less with more profits heres 16 companies that got off paying less than 5%
http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-pay-lowest-tax-loopholes-2011-2#16-red-...
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simplecj:
Arizona's law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and REQUIRES police to question people if there's reason to SUSPECT they're in the United States illegally.
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bundlebear:
Bear in mind more than likely those are gross and not net figures. I own lots of rental property and my gross income looks very impressive, but when you see my net you say damn how did you make so much and keep so little. gross income - expenses = net profit.
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bundlebear:
Is the $5B you reference in public benefits considered "welfare"?
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samthesixth:
i looked it up and this is what i found
Illegal immigrants are not eligible for ANY social service programs except emergency medical care. Emergency medical care is also available to anyone else who resides within US borders regardless of ability to pay.
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bundlebear:
Thank you for the info and the posting. It's a valuable topic and discussion.
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your right some illegals don't pay taxes but others do in 2008 $9 billion dollars worth of tax was paid by illegals
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there's alot of stats out there but my original point was that they don't get welfare
and nothing going to change with this law it's just a dog and pony show for the politicians so they can play on people's fears - 2 years ago
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simplecj:
i don't believe it show me the link
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are we talking about the same welfare cause you need to be a citizen there's no getting around that if you're here illegal
http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-eligible-for-welfare-in-the-united-states.htm - 2 years ago
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if they were born here they're legal by our laws they are a citizen
i'm sure some do get fraudulent identification but not enough to cause a significant problem
this might please you the Department of Homeland Security reported that illegal immigrant population dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 compared to 11.6 million in 2008 - 2 years ago
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bundlebear:
gotta play devil's advocate here, but the welfare system didn't always work that way and it was taken advantage of for a long time.
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Nephwrack:
i hear you
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bundlebear:
Thats only because some of them retired and went home.
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it doesn't take an einstein to guess that every state that attempts this legislation will be led by real american, conservative, religious right, neo con racists. who want only to defend a document that is antiquated and far past its time. I am the last neanderthal
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63pmacp:
You sound evolved to me. :)
It's the politicians who use the publics irrational fears to stay in office who are the neanderthals!
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63pmacp:
You had me agreeing with you till you got to the CRAZY part about the Constitution being "far past its time"
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63pmacp:
Stop it with that neanderthal shit. It's gettin pretty f*#ckin annoying. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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Truth be told I could care less but if you were going to be the last something why in the hell would you pick a Neanderthal?
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wow you're a big time racist. and if you're not you have the tolerance of one, and there for what's the difference. I am the last neanderthal.
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Radical_Centrist:
wow you're a big time racist. and if you're not you have the tolerance of one, and there for what's the difference. I am the last neanderthal.
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Radical_Centrist:
well it kinda is. Everything. I mean everything has changed. The constitution needs to reflect that change.
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