States seek to copy Arizona immigration law that would allow law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of legal immigration status

i wasn't trying to mislead anyone it says it right in the article
"The disputed Arizona law would allow law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of legal immigration status. "

The Arizona law does not allow that. I am not in favor of the law anyway, but it does not allow for law enforcement officers to stop people and demand proof of their immigration status.

wouldn't stop any police officers making up something as an excuse

Thats true,....but any cop can drag off virtually ANYONE anyway for "suspicion" of " public impairment of function" ( something like that )-note- I forget what they actually call that in Texas,....but you get the gist. No actual evidence is required as it is for an officer to virtually harass at will. They just dont tend to do it to the rich and powerful.

agreed.

i think we call it "probable cause" in california

"Fresh meat for old" is NOT a particular enticing maxim !

yepper. that would pretty much wrap up the whole issue,....if they REALLY did it.

( Big Business will NEVER let it happen, I am afraid. )

Enforcing our immigration laws does not make us Nazis, I'm sorry Tom. Contrary to what people are saying about this bill, it does not give police the right to stop people for no reason other than to ask for their papers and beyond that if they are illegal we don't ship them to concentration camps or shoot on site. Quite the opposite.

Deportation is a costly and time consuming effort that includes a full medical examination. We won't deport anyone who is sick and/or needs some kind of medical assistance. We have to verify they are healthy before we deport them.

Bottom line is that if they're here illegally, they know they broke the law and may have to face the consequences. Also, by coming here illegally and being allowed to stay, we are undermining the LEGAL path to citizenship.

EDIT: I might add that more often than not, officers choose to look the other way when they discover someone is illegal because they know how much paperwork and money it takes just to deport one illegal immigrant. I've had friends that have called to report possible drug trafficking and noise violations and when they mentioned that they believed the people were illegals, the cops pretty much decided to do nothing about it.

This is the problem, we haven't been enforcing immigration law because of the cost that comes along with it, but now that states are strapped and the reality of the financial and criminal toll that illegals are taking on our country, states cannot afford to look the other way and more or less encourage illegals like they have been.

Now states are trying to pass bills that require officers to enforce the law and everyone wants to start calling us Nazis. Get real! Enforcing an existing law is a far cry from genocide....

Papers please !

Very funny, I bet you LOVE Glen Beck.... =P

Sir I need to see your papers !! I love all human life some I think are fools others sick. Then you have some that are just trying to get by day to day. I believe most all those that believe they need to be heard by all and say they know what the real truth is are the sickest of all. I do not know Glenn Beck I do not listen to that kind of Garbage it makes one blind to the truth.

Is any other country on earth comparable to the United States because they enforce their immigration laws? Mexico has much tougher immigration laws than we do, are they Nazis? Or is it just us?

alright then boot them out and make those on welfare move into those jobs. As I see it we are all here iilegally at one time or another. well most of us . The natives might what their land back so I guess we all should packup and move away. Does that work even better for you?

hey I need to see your papers by the way.

Ha ha! As soon as Barack shows his, I'll show mine. ;-)

That doesn't answer the question. Are we the only country that are Nazis for seeking to enforce our immigration laws we have on the books, or are other countries also Nazis for enforcing the immigration laws they have on their books?

oh gawd a burfer.

No we are not the only ones But it does make us a bunch of hypocrites

I'm sorry but We are going to have to send you to a Re-education camp for ninety days. Don't worry the storm troopers will be by to pick you up.

Just kidding.

then they send you to re-education camp so you learn not to do that again.

Ya cause it's really hard to fold a piece of paper and ya, I fall in puddles all the time... oh and ya, I'm sure it's the only copy in existence... seriously, are you that whiny about having to carry a driver's license?

Legal immigrants are privileged to be able to come here and take advantage of our country. Requiring them the carry their identification is insignificant next to the benefits they gain by being here.

Ya might cut yourself on them sharp edges. Then you would have to sue who ever made the paper

I agree. Every business owner that knowingly employs illegal immigrants should be sent to Mexico in a box. The employees can be sent on the bus just like we do today.

Searching anal cavities? Ewww. That is not a job fit for Americans. Maybe have the citizen in question stick the camera probe up there themselves and a person in India can look at the footage.

what an ignorant statement...

great reply, if I dint know better I'd think you were Colbert him self. nice!

So every other country on earth can enforce their immigration laws but us? Ours are much looser than most of the world, but we can't enforce them and everyone else can?

damn, john, bingo! you're TOO smart, you got me again.

i thought this post/story was about putting new laws into place which would have policemen ask for proof of citizenship of people that might be illegal-- of course they can't profile, so they'll check everyone, anyone with an accent, like brits and aussies; ANY brown person, like the indians... now if there's anyway to put a signal on canadians in case they're here illegally... hmmm.

i didn't know that the laws already existed and this argument is about enforcing our laws. enforcement is fine, we SHOULD enforce-- employers shouldn't hire illegals and pay them under the table-- that's a great idea John, i'm glad you're bringing it up.

i'll revise my comment since apparently this article is wrong-- JohnA, you're so smart, what would I do without you?

Don't worry, buddy. I'm here for you.

I think the entire history of man, is defined by all those folks who CAN,....ALWAYS,.....taking that which they want, by force,. . . .if they can not STEAL it. ALWAYS- - -eventually.

( not saying there are NEVER moments of cultural benign calm,....but they dont "take",...the taking eventually resumes.

if you can't do those jobs yourself or pay a living wage for them to be done, you are shit out of luck. Go home mexicans etc.

If all you can afford to pay someone is $1 an hour, do it yourself.

If they were hungry enough.

Sir, please get out of the car. See hable ES-, um, english? OK.

I clocked you going 46 in a 45 MPH zone, and your bumper sticker reading "Proud Hispanic American" covers an eighth of an inch of the bottom of your rear left taillight.

I'm going to have to give you a ticket. I'd like to see some ID, and proof of citizenship.

Hm, it seems you have been pulled over three times today. I'm going to have to take you in. Please place your hands behind your back.

Sorry UtopianSky, no cigar. You get what's behind door number three.

People don't go to jail for being pulled over for the fourth time in one day. Proof of citizenship is not required for receipt of a ticket. Yes, I know what you are trying to say but it is not working.

Here's the irony the arizona mass killer was pulled over in a nova for running a red light and let off with a "warning" that misscarage of the law cost US more lives and more money than what "illegals" may or mayn't cost US and can be saved by this kind of laws

MYTH: The nation spends billions of dollars on welfare for undocumented immigrants.

FACTS: To the contrary, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive any "welfare" benefits and even legal immigrants are severely restricted in the benefits they can receive.

http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html

Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members.
Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than
native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of
the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population
(11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public
benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently
favorable to the U.S., unless the “study” was undertaken by an
anti-immigrant group. In one estimate, immigrants earn about
$240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and
use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the
data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than
the amount of government services they use.

http://www.immigrationforum.org/images/uploads/MythsandFacts

True, but it's also true that we lose billions to corporations in unpaid taxes and underpayment to "illegals" and that is why no law can ever stop this flow

Arizona's law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and REQUIRES police to question people if there's reason to SUSPECT they're in the United States illegally.

Bear in mind more than likely those are gross and not net figures. I own lots of rental property and my gross income looks very impressive, but when you see my net you say damn how did you make so much and keep so little. gross income - expenses = net profit.

Is the $5B you reference in public benefits considered "welfare"?

i looked it up and this is what i found

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for ANY social service programs except emergency medical care. Emergency medical care is also available to anyone else who resides within US borders regardless of ability to pay.

Thank you for the info and the posting. It's a valuable topic and discussion.

Ras, I understand, but that's really a completely different and unrelated topic. The topic here is cracking down on illegal immigrants.

Again, the topic is ILLEGAL immigrants. Most illegals don't pay taxes and tracking exactly what cost they are to us is difficult to quantify because they are undocumented. Legal immigration stats are a different story, but I highly doubt that the lower than average wages of legal immigrants equals a win for anyone other than their employers and the family members back home that receive often large portions of their pay.

your right some illegals don't pay taxes but others do in 2008 $9 billion dollars worth of tax was paid by illegals

Really? Do you have a source for that info? If they did pay that much, then how much do you think wasn't paid by the rest of illegal immigrants?

here
http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-Taxes?&id=4572895

Thanks for that... your link actually lead me to another site listing some much more impressive statistics regarding illegal immigration. You say we collect $9 billion annually? Well take a look at the stat's I have posted further up on this page...

EDIT: I have found another statistic stating a far smaller amount:
"As per the data collected by Internal Revenue Service, the US government received $305 million as taxes collected from the illegal immigrants in the US."

there's alot of stats out there but my original point was that they don't get welfare
and nothing going to change with this law it's just a dog and pony show for the politicians so they can play on people's fears

No, it's a fact, they can and they do collect welfare:
51% - The percentage of Mexican immigrant households that use at least one major welfare program. 28% use more than one.

1.4 Million - The number of illegal immigrant households that use at least one major welfare program. (food stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI, and public/rent-subsidized housing)

i don't believe it show me the link

See link posted in my other comment, also listed as a reference link in the article you posted to support your claim of $9 Billion in illegal taxes.

When most illegals work for minimum wage or sometimes less, yet their children are able to go to school and be fed school lunches as well as medical care illegals receive that they cannot possibly afford, how can you deny they receive any form of welfare???

are we talking about the same welfare cause you need to be a citizen there's no getting around that if you're here illegal
http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-eligible-for-welfare-in-the-united-states.htm

Welfare: (READ: food stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI, and public/rent-subsidized housing)

Simple, they come here and pop out anchor babies as soon as possible. Having citizen children opens them up to all forms of welfare, not to mention there are several other ways around the regulations that allow them to collect in one way or another. This is the primary reason I think the birthright loophole needs to be closed. Technically the children are citizens if they are born here, yet their parents are not. I see many illegal families here in Utah who have kid after kid and I know exactly why....

SOMEHOW, many illegals are able to obtain driver's licenses and SSN's as well. Don't ask me how, but I know they do. It's crazy how many loopholes exist for illegals. If it weren't for governement assistance, I doubt we would have as many illegals as we have now (estimated at 20 million)

http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30 - this is a bit dated, but it is direct from the gov. Do your own research if you want to understand how. The numbers I've sited may be a bit exaggerated, but one thing is clear, it's difficult to track illegals. Also, everyone looking to defend them want to exclude the expense of the children of these illegals simply because they were granted citizenship through birthright, something I feel is an outdated and flawed notion.

if they were born here they're legal by our laws they are a citizen
i'm sure some do get fraudulent identification but not enough to cause a significant problem
this might please you the Department of Homeland Security reported that illegal immigrant population dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 compared to 11.6 million in 2008

gotta play devil's advocate here, but the welfare system didn't always work that way and it was taken advantage of for a long time.

i hear you

Thats only because some of them retired and went home.

You sound evolved to me. :)

It's the politicians who use the publics irrational fears to stay in office who are the neanderthals!

You had me agreeing with you till you got to the CRAZY part about the Constitution being "far past its time"

Stop it with that neanderthal shit. It's gettin pretty f*#ckin annoying. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Truth be told I could care less but if you were going to be the last something why in the hell would you pick a Neanderthal?

wow you're a big time racist. and if you're not you have the tolerance of one, and there for what's the difference. I am the last neanderthal.

wow you're a big time racist. and if you're not you have the tolerance of one, and there for what's the difference. I am the last neanderthal.

well it kinda is. Everything. I mean everything has changed. The constitution needs to reflect that change.