Everyday Brits are in Revolt of Wealthy Tax Cheats ..Why Can't We ...?!
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As people see their fellow citizens acting in self-defense, these tax-the-rich protests spread to even the most conservative parts of the country. It becomes the most-discussed subject on Twitter. Even right-wing media outlets, sensing a startling effect on the public mood, begin to praise the uprising, and dig up damning facts on the tax dodgers.
Instead of the fake populism of the Tea Party, there is a movement based on real populism. It shows that there is an alternative to making the poor and the middle class pay for a crisis caused by the rich. It shifts the national conversation. Instead of letting the government cut our services and increase our taxes, the people demand that it cut the endless and lavish aid for the rich and make them pay the massive sums they dodge in taxes.
This may sound like a fantasy—but it has all happened. The name of this parallel universe is Britain. As recently as this past fall, people here were asking the same questions liberal Americans have been glumly contemplating: Why is everyone being so passive? Why are we letting ourselves be ripped off? Why are people staying in their homes watching their flat-screens while our politicians strip away services so they can fatten the superrich even more?
And then twelve ordinary citizens—a nurse, a firefighter, a student, a TV researcher and others—met in a pub in London one night and realized they were asking the wrong questions. “We had spent all this energy asking why it wasn’t happening,” says Tom Philips, a 23-year-old nurse who was there that night, “and then we suddenly said, That’s what everybody else is saying too. Why don’t we just do it? Why don’t we just start? If we do it, maybe everybody will stop asking why it isn’t happening and join in. It’s a bit like that Kevin Costner film Field of Dreams. We thought, If you build it, they will come.”
The new Conservative-led government in Britain is imposing the most extreme cuts to public spending the country has seen since the 1920s. The fees for going to university are set to triple. Children’s hospitals like Great Ormond Street are facing 20 percent cuts in their budgets. In London alone, more than 200,000 people are being forced out of their homes and out of the city as the government takes away their housing subsidies.
Amid all these figures, this group of friends made some startling observations. Here’s one. All the cuts in housing subsidies, driving all those people out of their homes, are part of a package of cuts to the poor, adding up to £7 billion. Yet the magazine Private Eye reported that one company alone—Vodafone, one of Britain’s leading cellphone firms—owed an outstanding bill of £6 billion to the British taxpayers. According to Private Eye, Vodaphone had been refusing to pay for years, claiming that a crucial part of its business ran through a post office box in ultra-low-tax Luxembourg. The last Labour government, for all its many flaws, had insisted it pay up.
But when the Conservatives came to power, David Hartnett, head of the British equivalent of the Internal Revenue Service, apologized to rich people for being “too black and white about the law.” Soon after, Vodafone’s bill was reported to be largely canceled, with just over £1 billion paid in the end. Days later George Osborne, the finance minister, was urging people to invest in Vodafone by taking representatives of the company with him on a taxpayer-funded trip to India—a country where that company is also being pursued for unpaid taxes. Vodafone and Hartnett deny this account, claiming it was simply a longstanding “dispute” over fees that ended with the company paying the correct amount. The government has been forced under pressure to order the independent National Audit Office to investigate the affair and to pore over every detail of the corporation’s tax deal.
“It was clear to us that if this one company had been made to pay its taxes, almost all these people could have been kept from being forced out of their homes,” says Sam Greene, another of the protesters. “We keep being told there’s no alternative to cutting services. This just showed it was rubbish. So we decided we had to do something.”
They resolved to set up an initial protest that would prick people’s attention. They called themselves UK Uncut and asked several liberal-left journalists, on Twitter (full disclosure: I was one of them), to announce a time and place where people could meet “to take direct action protest against the cuts and show there’s an alternative.” People were urged to gather at 9:30 am on a Wednesday morning outside the Ritz hotel in central London and look for an orange umbrella. More than sixty people arrived, and they went to one of the busiest Vodafone stores—on Oxford Street, the city’s biggest shopping area—and sat down in front of it so nobody could get in.
“What really struck me is that when we explained our reasons, ordinary people walking down Oxford Street were incredibly supportive,” says Alex Miller, a 31-year-old nurse. “People would stop and tell us how they were terrified of losing their homes and their jobs—and when they heard that virtually none of it had to happen if only these massive companies paid their taxes, they were furious. Several people stopped what they were doing, sat down and joined us. I guess it’s at that point that I realized this was going to really take off.”
That first protest grabbed a little media attention—and then the next day, in a different city, three other Vodafone stores were shut down in the northern city of Leeds, by unconnected protests. UK Uncut realized this could be replicated across the country. So the group set up a Twitter account and a website, where members announced there would be a national day of protest the following Saturday. They urged anybody who wanted to organize a protest to e-mail them so it could be added to a Google map. Britain’s most prominent tweeters, such as actor Stephen Fry, joined in.
That Saturday Vodafone’s stores were shut down across the country by peaceful sit-ins. The crowds sang songs and announced they had come as volunteer tax collectors. Prime Minister David Cameron wants axed government services to be replaced by a “Big Society,” in which volunteers do the jobs instead. So UK Uncut announced it was the Big Society Tax Collection Agency. (more on this story at link) http://figrd.blogspot.com
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snoopy77
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Remember what Bob Dylan said "steal a little and they throw you in jail steal a lot and they make you king"...
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snoopy77
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ikenhower
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"I don't mind the rich getting richer, but don't leave the rest of us behind"
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ikenhower
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KSirys
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Even though we are one of the most intelligent countries, we are still divided and only care for what happens to us today.
The US is divided and unless people decide to take a stand, this will continue and affect our kids and their kids in the years to come.
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KSirys
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lavillas
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A lot of us don't hate the rich, we just hate that they make the laws that are beneficial to them first and forget about the ones who put them there! We hate when they pay little or no taxes and then whine that this nation is full of freeloaders and people who don't work! There are no jobs because they made laws favorable with tax breaks and incentives to ship whole American factories to China and India. Millions are unemployed because their jobs were outsourced and these corporations headed by the rich, were given billions in corporate welfare and in return for these bailouts they fail to pay their fair share of taxes! They failed the American people and the American Worker in order to line their pockets on the backs of the American Taxpayer and Worker! There was a solar company in Massachusetts that got State and Federal stimulus money to expand, they succeeded, and in return for these grants and stimulus moved the company to China!
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lavillas
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ikenhower
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You got that right, wall street gets rewarded and the rest of us get screwed. This is nothing new, Not to long ago we had the S&L BAILOUT. In the US the corp. call the shorts and for the last forty years they have been outsourceing america to the point there's nothing left. There was a time when PROFITS weren't the only thing, now it's EVERYTHING.The AMERICAN WORKER made these companys yet when they seen they could make an extra nickel on the dollar they packed their bags for the next flight out to a destination where people were use to working for a dollar a day. When the US GOVERNMENT conducted hearings on UN-AMERICAN-ACTIVITIES corporate america should have been included. They were more of a threat to our way of life then anything else I can think of.
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ikenhower
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toyotabedzrock
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We should take gun donations and hand them to the homeless. Then law makers might remember them.
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toyotabedzrock
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toyotabedzrock
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Simple reason is that Britts have balls and American just pretend to.
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indecisiveh
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toyotabedzrock:
I thought they had bollocks...
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indecisiveh
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Mary_Jane_Stewart
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Thanks for the info. I have been waiting for a spark to unite over here as if we do not unite, no progress will be made. We have many homeless, jobless, and frightened old people over here. We seem to be in suspended animation, waiting for the next shoe to fall. I keep thinking a new leader will emerge, but fight a hopeless feeling everyday. Our society seems too fractured, but surely one day we will say "that is enough-we can not take anymore". Perhaps in the spring.MJS
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Mary_Jane_Stewart
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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While Egypt may seem very distant, in many ways, Aunt Britain is palpably close, in many ways. Do we need to see corporate tax returns to know that, not only are corporations loopholing their way out of paying taxes, but we, the public, are rewarding their evasions with further subsidies of our tax dollars! Even now, the IRS is offering tax evasion amnesty with modest requirements. Could it not be more financially sensible to put more people to work ferreting out corporate and private individual tax evaders, offsetting the employment costs with the extra tax monies collected? Is it merely that Obama doesn't want to ruffle business and far right feathers that this issue isn't pursued more assiduously? Will U.S. citizens march in the streets demanding fair and equal application of tax law?
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tcat
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It amazes me that Americans that call themselves Christians and would not think twice about stealing a loaf of bread to feed their child have no problem whatsoever with defrauding the US government out of 10s or even 100s of thousands of dollars. I think its pretty sad that Republicans attack everyday people that are unemployed due to no fault of their own as lazy and muchers. to me the wealthy people that evade paying their fair share are the real muchers. I think its about time we average people hold them to account.
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tcat
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snoopy77
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The reason the Brits can march is because they can still see/check the tax information on any company. This allows them to see who is and who isn't paying their fair chair... We on the other hand, thanks to the Citizen United ruling by the activist judges, can not see what a company pays in taxes. We can not see this because they are now considered "to have person hood" and are allowed the ability to have their taxes remain private. What we must do is infiltrate our own Democratic Party and start running for any position available which in turn opens up doors to a future "real" Democratic candidate. We need to change LAWS not attitudes, opinions, anger levels.. What the corporations are doing is what the LAWS that were changed allow them to do. 30 years of Reganomics and Clintonomics are coming home. GET INVOLVED
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snoopy77
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Robert_Miller1
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Can't wait to see al the liberals marching on washington.
When is this protest going to happen?
Or are you all just a bunch of hypocrites?
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Mr_Brainwash
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Robert_Miller1:
I ask myself that very question every day. WHEN? Apparently the median annual income in Egypt is somewhere around $2000.00. It took thirty years of oppression to get them to make a serious protest. Apparently the human appetite for suffering is pretty substantial.
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Mr_Brainwash
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Mr_Brainwash
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Deep inside most Americans resides a secret longing that they too will one day become rich. It's hard to protest against what most Americans now consider the "American Dream" : Get rich, Die trying and taxes are only oppressive when the rich have to pay them.
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Mr_Brainwash
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JohnA
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Mr_Brainwash:
I don't hate the rich, I envy them. I want to be one of them. And in America, The Land of Opportunity, unlike any other, if I have the right idea in the right place at the right time, I can be the next Thomas Edison or Henry Ford. Or Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. That can be me, that is the dream America holds, that is why we are the greatest nation on Earth.
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Mr_Brainwash
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JohnA:
I didn't -1 you btw. ^_^b
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Mr_Brainwash
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Paratus
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JohnA:
Hey guy. Are you sure you are on the right board. I agree with you, we all have opportunity, but many here do not share your views. Many are more supporters of state control, demonizing anyone who makes money and victim mentality than success.
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Paratus
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JohnA
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Paratus:
Probably not, but what the hell. It's no fun if everyone agrees.
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snoopy77
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Paratus:
Paratus I am not saying people should not be able to get rich I am saying once your there pay your fair share. Don't hide your monies, don't pollute, etc. Remember as one gets "rich" one uses more and more of our infrastructure (roads, water, electricity, sever...) so these items need repair with those tax monies. Have you noticed since the "rich" have been getting tax cuts our infrastructure started to crumble. The fight against green energy at this time is that 'it is not profitable' neither is oil and gas we just subsidize the crap out of it to the billions of dollars to make them profitable. Hell Exxon just had their most profitable year ever and they got a tax REFUND. Warren Buffet jokes about that 'he pays less taxes than his secretary' theses may be but just two examples. But, get that tax money and we get billions back into America, after all we put our representatives so they can listen to us not the 1 percent of american corporations.
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snoopy77
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Orwelian84
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Its time for a Defenstration moment like in Prague....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
and I am talking about all of em, the entire congress, supreme court, and executive branch. We need a new constitutional congress. - 1 year ago
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Orwelian84:
You nailed it. problem is who will replace the fokers? The system is so throughly corrupt we would have to strip it back down to basics. This would require much planning and dedication on the part of many moral, upright citizens united for a common cause. I wonder if you could find two persons here that could agree that the sky is blue. We all feel the injustice, but need that spark that would unite us solidly for real change right now. I feel the potential is growing, but fear lack of timing. We do have so many foreign enemies that we can ill afford our country appearing folding in upon itself. There would be hordes of thugs jostling for position and our new laws might be even more oppressive. Still, it could happen. MJS
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Orwelian84
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We can do this too, B of A, Citigroup, Wellsfargo, and Goldman Sachs collectively owe us more than a trillion dollars. We don't have a deficit, they do and its long past time that they paid up.
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Orwelian84
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lavillas
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The same thing is happening here in America! The conservative right wants to cut spending at the expense of lower income and the middle class in order to give the rich tax cuts! This country needs a similar movement, let's call it the Coffee Movement, it's time for everyday Americans to wake up and smell the coffee! It's time the ruling elite and the right "To Smell The Coffee!"
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lavillas
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FoosMaster
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But you will not hear Anything about this in the American Corporate Controlled Media! If they allowed people in America to hear about this they are Afraid that it might happen here. I can hear it now:
Reporter at News Channel to Editor; "There is a Situation in Great Britain with protests against the Rich and Mega-Corps that is shutting down businesses."
Editor to Reporter; "We have other more important news to report like the latest American Idol results. Go interview Sarah Palin or a Tea Party Supporter and come back with a Real story."This is what we get when we keep cutting Education.
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Tyr
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FoosMaster:
Spot on!
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Tyr
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VFORVENDETTA
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The reason we cannot go after rich tax cheats here in the US, is quite simple, we do not live in a democracy, but a plutocracy, and since true democratic action is the antithesis of plutocracy, our politicians in Washington, who are owned and controlled by corporate fundamentalist interest, would not allow it, since thievery is in their best interest.
remember remember, the 5th of November....
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VFORVENDETTA
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desmosabie
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VFORVENDETTA:
Get involved in the process. Look at those who are now, consider their age. Study. Balance. Local....seriously, do more than complain.
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desmosabie
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Orwelian84
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VFORVENDETTA:
I know of no reason why the gun powder treason should ever be forgot!
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Orwelian84
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VFORVENDETTA:
I do remember and lets start this bitch up!!!!
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figgdimension
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figgdimension
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figgdimension:
Coffee Party- on twitter yes I added a twitter account Coffee Party (figcoffee) on twitter join up and we'll give em a 5th of November they'll never forget lets do this!!!! I can organize and so can YOU! join up and lets stop talking about it !
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figgdimension
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BigEd7
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As a Vet, I see how "Cowardly" the Average American is.
1. They do NOT want to see what is right in front of them in plain sight.
2. They do NOT stand up for their rights unless they are "Guaranteed" to not suffer anything for standing up.
3. They will wait until they are out of work for a year, stone broke, and on the streets before they want to do anything about it, but then they have no transportation to a rally or communication to be informed of one.What cowards we Americans Are.
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VFORVENDETTA
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BigEd7:
You are absolutely correct, hats off to you sir.
Remember remember, 5th November...
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VFORVENDETTA
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desmosabie
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VFORVENDETTA:
Thanks for the saying, i'll remember it for many years, and know exactly what to do when I hear someone saying it.
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desmosabie
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BigEd7:
I fit into category 3. Its actually been part of the plan. Float around the city, help some homeless more disadvantaged than I, and continue school. I dont see cowardly, I see dedication. Im grateful people donate to churches and shelters. Saves me a ton of money I dont make because I dont need a job.
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desmosabie
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figgdimension
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desmosabie:
sounds like troll work to me
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figgdimension
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kiminbend
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Just WHEN will we get angry enough to act? I posted this to FB yesterday...not a single PEEP. But mention S P (the female from up North) everyone has a say pro and con.
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figgdimension
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kiminbend:
it starts somewhere and thanks for sharing keep the faith your not alone
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littlwarrior
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Perhaps it is time to stop talking and start marching. Our voices are drowned out by the insanity of the tea party and the gross beast called politics. It is time for the earth to shake, it is time for Washington to tremble. The time has come people of America to remind our government, we are dangerous, and our patience wears thin.
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SpencerTreeGarden
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America is all talk and forums on the internet. Maybe if there was more physical human interaction.
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MzSally
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SpencerTreeGarden:
That's a good point. In the article, it described this beginning with a group of friends meeting in a bar. But, I do think that it could be done with purely online friends, American style.
American Revolution II in 3 easy steps:
Somebody start a twitter account- one per city would be good
Post it on comment boards like this one. Work it until you get a decent following.
Tweet a meeting place, date, time and cause, et voila!Setting up a website to publicize the cause, different tweet accounts by city, research good "targets", etc. would be good, too.
I'd get on it, but I live in Europe and that kind of makes it hard to show up.
Vive la revolution! If the Brits can do it, so can we.
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MzSally
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figgdimension
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MzSally:
the rise of the "Wake up and smell the coffee party"
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Peacey
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page not found.
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Peacey
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JohnA
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We could, but since most of them are in Obama's cabinent and The United States Congress, we probably wouldn't get very far with it.
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JohnA
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Unshriven
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The first thing the Devil did was make us think we needed the latest useless stuff.
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Unshriven
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Orwelian84
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Unshriven:
Materialism sucks that way. We are not defined by what we do or what we own but by our social interactions and what we think.
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Orwelian84
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mitekillem
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So when an individual does it, it's tax evasion, theft, or larceny. When a corporation does it, it's called "investment" and the government cuts them deals. Why can't they cut us deals. What if I don't feel like paying all of my taxes? Can I do that?
LOL - Tax the rich...LMAO.
Yeah right. Americans don't want that, they want more taxes for the lower and middle class, less for the rich. Why else would they vote in more Republicans in the last election?Republicans want to cut services to the middle class & poor.....I mean cut SPENDING.
They want corporations to pollute the environment, make cheap toxic goods, and not suffer any consequences....I mean stop government REGULATION.
They also want to companies to charge you for everything you need, like basic education, social security, health care....I mean they want to PRIVATIZE more, and SPEND less.
But we must keep spending on our military, which the US spends more than ever nation on the planet combined. When it comes to military spending, the US spends more than 50% of what the entire world spends on military.....I mean we need STRONGER NATIONAL SECURITY.
Of course you can't tax the rich, because then their money won't trickle down to create more jobs....in places like Mexico, China, and India. ....I mean AMERICAN JOBS are Priority #1.Now, we had a fiscal conservative from 2000-2008, and in 2008 we began to see the results of lack of regulation, lack of fiscal responsibility, increased military spending, cuts in education, and no focus on job creation. 3 years later, we still standing in the same pool of shit.
On top of that, we have a president who's given us tax cuts unseen since the 1950's. We are paying historical lows in taxes, and our deficit climbs....but no one wants to tax these bankers.
---WTF is wrong with these idiots? - 1 year ago
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Tyr
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mitekillem:
You are right on point, it's because the corporate takeover of virtually all sources of information have been tailored to indoctrinate the American public with misinformation, demonize anything that isn't a corporate controlled profit generating operation...and the worst of it is the fact that the working class stiffs who define themselves as "conservative" vote into office the corporate puppets that are in the process of taking every benefit that has been fought for and gained for them since FDR...the dopes are participating in their own destruction...amazing.
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Tyr:
why education never gets what it needs cause the ignorant are easily controlled like frickin animal farm cant read what rules "were" written
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mitekillem:
GREED & self motivated interests and insane rational created by a guilty conscience get it CON-science a deliberate conspiracy if not treason for money GREEDY FAT little PIGS want it all
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mitekillem:
they're all very afraid of the oncoming storm grabbing everything and getting out lets stop them
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artemis6
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YES ! well done !
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BCDel89
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So brits are smarter than americans shoulda known. We don't do shit over here, cause people are too god damn stupid to even know what hitem...
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BCDel89:
too stupid or... too busy ?
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desmosabie:
I'll give us the benefit of the doubt and say both
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Tyr
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Having had foreign exchange students from Europe for a few years has truly confirmed what I had suspected for years, that being, that certainly one of the largest contributors to our political woes here is that we have such a poorly educated citizenry. When half the nation bases it's opinions on the clearly orchestrated propaganda from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and their associates at Fox news the results are just what we have, middle class people voting against their own interests and aligning themselves with the very institutions that are stripping them of the hard fought for gains that were achieved since the New Deal. The Republican party has made it no secret that they wish to undo every gain made by the working class in terms of wages, benefits and safety networks. They openly disparage Social security, the ongoing attempt to suffocate universal health care before it takes root, the war on collective bargaining through labor unions that was exemplified by Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers...the bank bailouts, the Wall Street apologists, the list could go on and on. They have bought virtually the entire network of electronic and printed news media and played us like a piano at Carnegie Hall...they tell us to disregard mainstream media as too left wing and then advance their agenda through Fox etc..that is brilliant, in doing so they pit us against each other...by being in control of both ends of the news spectrum they carefully orchestrate and actually achieve their desired ends...they split us up into two bitterly opposed camps, sit back AND LET US TEAR EACH OTHER TO SHREDS.
Now stop and think about this for a minute on this very site I see from any number of people on ranting about the evils of Unions...really? I mean really? What is so outrageous about a decent living wage, providing health insurance benefits and a retirement that is nothing more than the workers getting back some of the incredible profits that American labor has produced? Nobody disputes the fact that the United States' economy dwarfs every other nation on this planet, and yes that includes China...so why shouldn't the people who do the heavy lifting get a slice of the pie that they baked?
When the fact that CEO's get paid millions a year in salary and even more millions in annual bonuses gets little more than a shrug of the shoulders and yet if an auto assembler gets a 50 cent an hour raise you'd think that they had just raped a baby.
You want change, then refuse to let the men on high holding the strings dance you around!! Stop bashing the efforts of our Presidents attempt to level the playing field and get off the damned corporate plantation..the Massa ain't good to you..he's pitting us against one another and reaping the benefits!!
Educate yourselves and your children , open your eyes and like Micheal Buffer says " Let's get ready to rummmbbblle!!!" - 1 year ago
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Tyr
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Tyr:
You're so right! America needs to wake up and smell the coffee! I hope a similar movement gets started here in the U.S. Something like, the coffee movement, wake up and smell the coffee!
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lavillas
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lavillas:
I likeee let.s use that the Coffee Party nice!
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Tyr:
well said... poor ignorant fools doomed to stay poor ignorant fools ...Unless?!
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Mark701
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"The new Conservative-led government in Britain is imposing the most extreme cuts to public spending the country has seen since the 1920s."
It never, never, ceases to amaze me that people will vote conservatives into office actually believing that conservatives will balance budgets and support the middle and lower classes by raising taxes on the rich. Then the first thing the new government does is start cutting programs they need to survive because they don't want to tax the wealthy. Talk about a self-inflicted wound!
Still, I suspect that we'll be seeing the same thing here shortly. Most folks are still too focused on FOX Misinformation Network or American Idol to recognize they are being fleeced. But the day will come when even those losers wake up and wonder how it all went so wrong. When that day comes, and it will, things are going to get very ugly, very fast.
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Mark701:
i couldn't agree with you more, and the saddest aspect of it all is that over here we have a large segment of the population that actually cheers them on as they are being gutted!
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Mark701:
it amazes me too perhaps its manipulated seems so impossible
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Mark701:
Have hope , theres still some time to ACT!!!
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ArchDruid:
wish I had more info on those they were unprecedented and energized and that pic of camilla and Prince charles driving into the fray awesome I keep it in my desktop or I'd post it here now Loved it
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ArchDruid:
Its in "the rest of the story" too at figrd i couldn't fit it all only 8000
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The brits have the BBC as their main news source, that's why. With our corporate-controled news-media and the end of the fairness doctrine with corporations now having the rights of individuals and corporate money pouring in from god-knows-where there's little hope that change will come here until some sort of huge social upheaval here. Wish I was wrong, but I think we have to face the facts that the vast majority of the American people are going to be manipulated with lies and misinfomation for years to come.
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dinm76:
not if we stay informed become the media itself as we are doing here stand up and be counted I have Faith in us Carpe diem
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Because it's easier to come here and scream and shout, than to stand up and do something about it. If you look at the top 5 stories here, you'll see 90 to 100+ comments... this one, has 8...
I've said it before, stop screaming and shouting, unless you're going to do something, like the tea party.
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KSirys:
The anti-war rallies make the tea party look like a bake sale. They were deliberately not covered by major news outlets for reasons unknown, while simultaneously, the itty bitty tea party enjoys three 24 hour news channels of publicity.
I think that might make a difference.
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indecisiveh:
True.
Corporate media conspires to keep our fiscal masters enthroned. - 1 year ago
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KSirys:
thanks
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We in the United States have become docile lap dogs of the corporate elites, while the Brits try to fight for their rights.
Sad have we are so controlled by the corporate media that when they tell us to roll over, we do it.
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Joe_Biggs:
I am sure the UK has it's own share of docile lapdogs.
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nice how they threw us under the buss cause there industry is infiltrated by war-mongers and fiction analysts(statistic manipulators/the truth can be adjusted)
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kennymotown
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Yep, yes indeed the same tired old Military industrial complex screwing us all!
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kennymotown:
You hit the nail on the head!
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dinm76:
In general the merging of two institutions into one has always been detrimental whether it be Military and Industrial or Religion and Industrial. Industry needs to be regulated to prevent other major institutions like Health and Military from affecting and being affected by the growth driven model of industry. Education and Religion etc.
Things get too mucked up and the military-industrial complex is perhaps the most glaring example of this we have.
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indecisiveh:
or if we'll concede to it I for one am not!!!!
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The US will soon follow the UK's lead on budget reform and then we will both be in the same boat. The question how long do we have before our government takes similar actions?
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Excellent.
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ArchDruid:
we need your passion and energy here too thanks druid
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ArchDruid:
I tried posting that thank you i was tired and frustrated it wouldnt suck the thread right thanks again and you brits give me hope love that banner!!!
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remember Vodaphone sent pro-mubarak messages out in egypt great co.
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oh well this 'll have to do tired go to site to see intended pic thanks
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wrong pic sorry ill try to fix it
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