What’s good for business isn’t good for America
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For two decades, jobs and dollars have flown out of the US and across the Pacific, meanwhile the American people have suffered high unemployment and a diminished standard of living.
Looking for someone to blame, politicians point to Asian countries on the rise, seemingly at America’s expense.
As US Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen puts it “The American people have also borne the brunt of China’s mercantile trade policies, which promote trade surpluses through cheap exports based on an artificial depreciation of China’s currency.”
Overlooked in Washington is the US corporate jungle, which has long ago become the elephant in the room.
http://rt.com/news/corporate-business-kills-us/
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Warren_Merrill
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It's interesting how much people on the left hate business. It's because they don't understand the purpose of a business. A business' primary responsibility is not to employ people. A business' primary responsibility is to it's stockholders. No one is entitled to a job. A person has to add value for the business to desire to hire them. I've never hired a person who did not explain in the interview what value they perceived they would add to the organization.
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jubal
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The only reason we need jobs in the first place is because we have been kicked off the land...we have no means of self production and self sustenance...we have allowed capitalists to take over everything. We are all strangers in a strange land.
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jubal
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luzer
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jubal:
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The only reason we need jobs in the first place is because we have been kicked off the land...we have no means of self production and self sustenance...we have allowed capitalists to take over everything. We are all strangers in a strange land.i don't understand where this idilic vision of some dreamland utopia where we all live of the land without any problems etc etc comes from. do know the first thing about producing enough food for your family to be able to eat healthily year round? what about everything else they might want. we didn't 'kicked off the land' we left to seek a higher standard of living. faming is hard, miserable work and some of us have stronger mids than bodies and figured out how to make machines to make the farmers' work more productive and so the boulder rolls down the hill and it begins.
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luzer
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musicjohnny
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Alright, I agree that not EVERYTHING that's good for business is good for America, but realistically, most things are mutually beneficial if you think about it. For example, if business doesn't do well, where do our jobs come from? And if people/business didn't earn money, where would the government's revenue stream come from? If Business didn't do well, the supply of goods would decrease and prices will be inflated.
In addition, does the logical inverse of that statement make sense? As in: "What's bad for business is good for America"? Obviously not. Therefor we must determine that SOME BUT NOT ALL of what's good for business is good for America. It's the only answer and the blatantly obvious one. Clearly corporate thieving is NOT good, but on the other hand, I for one value having a job and so do most Americans, so what's good for the business's that we work for is in turn good for us. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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musicjohnny
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Mark701
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musicjohnny:
I don't think this article is really about all businesses but the big ones that are supported by Wall Street. Those companies employ corporate lobbyists to "influence" politicians with campaign contributions, who in turn tweak a tax law or some other law to favor them.
If only one or two congressmen did this there wouldn't be a problem. However we have 100 senators and 435 representatives that have been engaged in this in one way or another for decades. The result is what we see today i.e. corporate dominance of government. If the government ever tries to step in and intervene, the right starts screeching "socialism!".
The only way this problem will ever be fixed is to sever the financial umbilical cord between Wall Street and K-Street. That would mean making making lobbying a federal offense or requiring that all conversations between them and government official be available for public review.
The problem is that politicians aren't going to kill the goose that lays the golden turd. So we'll be looking at a situation like Egypt in 10 to 15 years.
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Mark701
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ecoalex
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It comes down to fat cat American business.Moderate profits are passe`,if there are more profits to be made they go where they will make more $.Business is profit driven,not benefit of country /society driven.When corporations were first allowed in the US.They were dissolved after less than 10 years.They also had to show they had a positive effect on communities.How far we've come.Now corporations run government form tax policy(tax breaks to offshore jobs),and have "personhood",a subversion of the ruling the SCOTUS by a clerk recording the decision.He had interests in the decision regarding a railroad.
My hope is that the uprising in Egypt spreads to the other potentates in the region,and gives an example to others around the world to throw off the yoke of corporate servitude.The US included.
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ecoalex
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Paratus
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Taxes and regulation, both of which contribute to the high cost of doing business, are only two reasons why businesses leave. We see examples of this in California and New York. Business IS good for America. We cannot exist as a country which only employs people at the government level. Government produces nothing, businesses do. No one wants to operate a company in an environment which is hostile to the concept of private enterprise or so uncertain as to the future that strategic planning cannot be accomplished. We have both. The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. If we wish to bring businesses back here we need to make it a more business friendly place.
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Paratus
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MotherForTruth
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Paratus:
Raratus: But those who love their country should stay and make it better. Don't you think?
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MotherForTruth
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Tim_Patrick
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Paratus:
We may have a high Corporate Tax rate, but we also subsidize large corporations with little to no reason. We have a high base tax rate, but then credit corporations in various ways.
Also, larger Corporations have ways to avoid paying taxes to the U.S. Government. Check out this article:
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1004/gallery.top_5_tax_bills/3.html
The United States doesn't collect taxes from Chevron. In fact, the U.S. Government paid Chevron $19 Million last year. Chevron, instead, paid $7.8 Billion internationally.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1004/gallery.top_5_tax_bills/4.html
GE didn't pay a red cent in taxes. Infact, they made $1.1 Billion from the U.S Government.
This is even sicker . . .
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1004/gallery.top_5_tax_bills/5.html
Bank of America was paid $2.8 Billion from the Federal Government.
So . . . tell me again . . . how is the Corporate Tax rate too high? Looks like the Federal Government is paying Bank of America, Chevron, and GE to operate. Can I get that deal?
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Tim_Patrick
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noxidereus
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Paratus:
Highest tax rate? Really? Hostile towards private enterprise? Is that why Exxon paid no income taxes in 2009? America is the most business friendly place on the planet -- corporations practically run our government. We fight wars on "terror" so that businesses can profit from international markets. You're flat-out wrong to regurgitate disproven right wing canned talking points. FAIL!
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noxidereus
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Mark701
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Paratus:
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. Business is only good for America if US citizens are employed by those businesses. If not, then you end up with a welfare state. Right?
We still have 20 million unemployed citizens from 2008 when the housing bubble popped. Oddly Wall Street appears to be doing quite well. Why? Because they give American jobs to workers in other countries without wage laws, without benefits, no environmental laws, no safety laws or worker protection laws. If that is the criteria that Americans have to meet to convince these pigs to bring jobs back into the country, they can go to hell.
Second no one I know of is hostile to the concept of private enterprise EXCEPT when it is practiced at the expense of the middle and lower classes i.e. most of the country. For example, when the housing bubble popped, we bailed them out and they continue to send US jobs overseas.
Third, America doesn't have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, Japan does. Also American corporations have so many tax exemptions and loop holes that in reality they pay a much lower tax rate than the published one. In fact many profitable multi-billion dollar corporations like Exxon Mobil and GE, not only pay no federal income tax, but claim a tax credit!! I know no country is the world that is more "business friendly" than the United States.
Finally, with all the spouting you've done on this web site you have never once produced a shred of hard evidence to back up what you say. All you do is spit out the the talking points you've heard on stations like FOX "News" and expect people to believe you. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.
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Mark701
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Tim_Patrick
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We have companies destroying our natural, organic foods. We have companies destroying our media outlets, and spewing poisonious mis-information to the masses under the guise, "Fair and Balanced," "The Most Trusted Name in News," and "Lean Forward." We have banks swindling our soldiers, and bankrupting our elderly.
It is my hope that media outlets like CurrentTV can act as a remedy on some of these issues. The more educated the population is, the quicker we will be able to address these issues in a serious manner.
One solution I see is to increase the Corporate Profits taxes, making it better for a company to reinvest its money, thus hiring more people for new jobs. The executives and the board members are already well paid by base salaries; corporations that post gigantic profits are merely, "just doing the bear minimum," as opposed to being pioneers in their respective markets.
The tax I am talking about is not Corporate Income Tax, but rather, a Corporate Earnings and Profits Tax:
Earnings and profits
U.S. corporations are permitted to distribute amounts in excess of earnings under the laws of most states under which they may be organized. A distribution by a corporation to shareholders is treated as a dividend to the extent of earnings and profits (E&P), a tax concept similar to retained earnings. E&P is current taxable income, with significant adjustments, plus prior E&P reduced by distributions of E&P. Adjustments include depreciation differences under MACRS, add-back of most tax exempt income, and deduction of many non-deductible expenses (e.g., 50% of meals and entertainment).[1] Corporate distributions in excess of E&P are generally treated as a return of capital to the shareholders.[2]
Most companies do not pay dividends to their Shareholders; however larger banks, and big businesses do. Republicans argue that these taxes should be decreased to increase hiring; but this would actually have the opposite effect. If the Government were to decrease the E&P taxes, Corporations will have incentives to reduce the amount of income reinvested into the company; therefore, lowering costs which almost always means letting go of some workers. If you increase the E&P tax, you would encourage Corporations to reinvest the money into the company; therefore increase ingenuity, R&D, which in turns means more hiring and new jobs.
1. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000312----000-.html
2. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000301----000-.html
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Tim_Patrick
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Paratus
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Tim_Patrick:
If I am reading you correctly you are stating that increased taxes on profits will encourage a company to reinvest in itself rather than spend the possible investment dollars on taxes. You might want to take a look at deductibility of R&D costs, capitalization rules regarding new and existing businesses and the increased company costs regarding payroll. All of these have bearing on business decisions.
There is a lot going in in your first paragraph on E&P. The E&P you are referring to is not taxable income but book income. There is a reconciliation of this on the M1 on the Form 1120. I'm not sure which E&P you wish to tax, book or tax. There is a difference. If you want to know how a company is operating without all the non-cash issues such as book/tax depreciation and meals look at the operating portion of the cash flow statement.
I am not in favor of increasing the corporate tax rate which is exactly what you are referring to when you speak of an Earnings and Profits tax. Earnings are taxed each year under the current system and to start an E&P tax as an addition is redundant. Is it your intent to tax, under this concept, any dollars that are not specifically earmarked for R&D, hiring etc?? Does a company allocate and sequester funds specifically for that purpose thereby rendering them non-taxable? Do said funds become taxable if they are not used for that purpose or get timed out?? If I am incorrect is seeing what you are saying please tell me. - 1 year ago
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Paratus
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Tim_Patrick
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Paratus:
According to the definitions of E&P tax, I am referring to the amount taxed on dividends paid. I could be reading the Cornell references incorrectly. My understanding is that companies that make significant profit will push the money out to Shareholders. We should be encouraging companies to reinvest into the company, instead of paying money to Shareholders.
Most traditional corporations don't pay dividends (at least not regularly). Definitely something to research into though. Thanks for your feedback.
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Tim_Patrick
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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Well then, it comes down to us, doesn't it? If we don't take a stand against business interests for the sake of our own interests, who will? And if we don't take a stand, why should anyone else? The founding fathers knew that the system they devised was not perfect, but rather, it was merely the best that they could achieve at the time.
While it can be argued that business preferential legislation was necessary at one time, for American business to thrive, it has taken on life and means unto itself at great expense to the public. The legislative pendulum has swung way to far in favor of business, and it seems to be stuck there. However, only we, en masse, can sufficiently mobilize to free the pendulum and swing it back towards a center, a balance. But it won't be easy, everyone and everything is loathe to give up whatever advantage they have gained. In fact, it will require a struggle. Do you want a return to fairness, reform and accountability to the people? Are you prepared to work for it?
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Robert_Miller1
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American companies need to be able to compete globally and to do that they need help.
We can either work for these companies for less money than we do now or we can give them huge tax breaks.
That being said if a company moves even one factory or office to another country they should lose those tax breaks and an extra tax assessed on them for whatever goods they produce overseas.
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postlapsaria
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the most "business-chaffing" times in history turned out to be the best, we advanced in leaps and bounds in short times. economically and in terms of society-- but the stock market didn't like the president or the progressive times.
so fuck business, what's bad for them is great for the country.
i'm sickened by the businesses that are proud of their shrewed moves when it comes to business and last night i started to try and find the biggest comapanies that outsource, thinking i'll try and not buy and maybe i can start telling people to boycott them or something-- i found a website where they listed the "best of 2009" (yes outdated) ...these assholes were proud of the fact that they were sending jobs overseas.
and then they financially back politicians who get mad at people for not working-- for "getting money for nothing"
why'd you post this story? why'd i read it? it all makes me so mad. grrr.
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postlapsaria
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postlapsaria:
In addition to marching on Washington; Egyptian style, to demand reform, we should make a concerted effort to boycott "ANTI AMERICAN BUSINESS". I'll participate in the get out the word with you. This is an excellent place to start. It's merely our defense against the Republican & Big Business "WAR AGAINST AMERICA"! Is this not an issue more for action, than discussion? Haven't we way passed the point of discussion?
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galwayman
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It's about Social Justice vs. the Elite and the elite have no loyalty to any country or political system with the Elite only caring about profits over people and the power needed to obtain more profit! as long as the Elite are in charge via their political puppets nothing will change for the better and we the people are nothing more then meat for the grist mill of corporate power and profit! not only do the Elite own the political system in this country,they own the military and law enforcement as well!
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galwayman
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galwayman:
PRECISELY! Until we take in back! By force if necessary??? This is going to require an organized march on Washington in the scale of what's going on in Egypt. Don't you think?
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treewolf39
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I love Pepe Escobar. He is a very knowledgeable journalist.
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treewolf39
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littlwarrior
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We must find the balance between what is good for business and what is good for the people. If we always put the people first it wont work out because then we will have communism and lets face it communism so far has never worked. But if we always put business first then we just have a completely corrupt government and the people will eventually revolt, that is one of the factors in the fall of Rome, they made business and profit more important than anything else, next thing you know here come the goths and no one cares enough about the community to do anything but preserve themselves. We must work together business and people to create the best possibility's for both.
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littlwarrior
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MotherForTruth
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littlwarrior:
Businesses are run by people. The question is how do we teach morality and unity?
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MotherForTruth
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treewolf39
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littlwarrior:
We have yet to see a real communistic society. I don't think it is possible without adding democratic elections and total term limits. It would seem that authoritarian governments co-oped any attempt at true socialism and then it is something else. Resources are limited at this time and pollution seems to be eating away our collective health. Society has to find a new path that protects all humans and the earth.
Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-business, I just see to much treachery in current business practices and a slave nation created by a debt system powered by the lie that somehow you can get rich honestly. Very few do.
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treewolf39
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littlwarrior:
RIGHT YOU ARE, lil one! However, do you not find that the pendulum has swung so far to business's advantage, that the people have been raped, pillaged and plundered of our national treasury and most of our national natural wealth? This rape has been plotted and executed throughout numerous decades. But don't we have to hand it to Republican spin meisters who can come back after the rape and pillage, and blast us for not working, for collecting unemployment and wanting some of our money spent for the care of our health, while convincing us that we are moochers? Wouldn't a space alien laugh at such a comical farse?
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MotherForTruth:
My dear, we can preach, we can teach, but we will never permanently change human behavior, with it's feature of greed, without genetic modification. Complete denial of our animal impulses is simply not a part of our current programming. Therefore, while we teach, we must also defend, and "verify"?
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
So should we give up and give in?
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MotherForTruth
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treewolf39:
At the rate things are deteriorating in this country because of big business, there will be no consumers to buy the garbage they sell us, and there will be no taxpayers to continue to support the Federal Government. Corporations will openly rule this country when this happens.
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bobbysgurl:
That will suck. Lets change it before that happens.
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treewolf39