Obama Sez...FBI can get phone records without oversight!

its been slowly slipping for decades, but we may be getting close to the bottom of the hill

yeehah!

i'd pay a dollar to see that

but its ok when a liberal does it

Very disturbing! I'm putting the First Families picture, face down in my study, and then having a stiff scotch...err two!

Actually, one of the most famous socialists in the 20th Century wrote an entire book pointing out the dangers of government surveillance. Perhaps you've heard of it. It's called "1984."

Do you consider Bush Jr. a socialist, too? 'Cause if you recall...that's how the FBI got these powers in the first place...ya know, so they could 'catch the terrorists,' right?

Yeah, I in fact do know that protecting social well being is a heartfelt emotion that can cause actions with the best of intentions (or, maybe not?) from the best of good men, with the most oppressive of results.
Because I'm a conservative, don't think for a moment that I approve... no matter the party that instigates it, or the one that continues to perpetuate it...

uhhh, you might want to look at your history again. government surveillance both legal and illegal has been around since the founding fathers. bush just gets the bum rap cause it makes leftylibs somehow feel good about themselves.

try as you might, but this is his travesty.just like katrina, just like iraq.no matter how much spin you apply it doesnt become some one elses mistake as it was bush who made it.ten presidents from now could still be allowing the patriot act, and they will be making the wrong decision as well.but it doesnt change the fact that the honor of opening that pandoras box rest's with w.this is his legacy.

bush may have recreated a new catch word for something that has existed practically for all time and surveillance was nothing new when the patriot act was signed into law. which by the way saw a lot of bi partisan support. so spin it any way you like. hurricanes are nothing new nor is u s intervention in the middle east. new decade, new conflict, new president. one can continue bad policy or abolish it, its up to the current dude in power freeC

yup, even though obama seemingly endorsed the will of the egyptian people i feel he'd think differently if millions of americans suddenly took root in all the town squares of america in protest of his regime. i wonder if america would receive the same support of the world in the same way egypt did.

now boys

probably not. but hey, its good to see that the annointed one has his own warts. most would prefer to either ignore or pretend it doesnt exist under obama

thank you I also see it your way

That's not the point. By giving them the go-ahead, they can never be held accountable for it. It's the principle of the thing.

NO, what we are pointing out is the UTTER hypocrasy of the Leftists...

AND the fact that Bush did require court approval. Howerer gave allowances for "decisions in the field" which were brought about by the easy access to cheap, Pre-Pay, "disposable" phones .

very true!! voted up!

What have the Democrats done to make you think this way?
Also, what have the Republicans done for the country that make voters want to return to?
Just curious!!!

Just because someone doesn't like the job Democrats are doing doesn't mean they want Republicans to replace them.

Spotlighting you should learn to do things for yourself rather then look for government to do stuff for you.

An American Patriot??
I have never asked the Government to do anything for me that I have not earned.
I thought that was what being American was all about.

I have probably served many more years supporting the American way of life than you.

ive always said vote for content of character not for the color of ones skin. but no one believes me.

To me, it is always a matter of voting for the least awful.

thus the historic rise of the tea party

have you been in a coma for the last two years?

I think you have been out in the congo too long Mr. Congoboy
Wake up and smell the roses.
You might think of putting on a shirt on too.

you dont like my sexy body?

Ugh, or the Tea Party either.

Well said.

hey you cant say theyre all bad. they voted against obama's patriot extension plan

I hear you about Clinton and continuing to want the change bait-and-switch obama didn't deliver.

I think we are going to have to create change in ways outside of the corrupted two-political-party and voting system.

By our continuing to elect the same assholes who screwed us over befrore, we've created an oligarchy. We have to stop that process now, and voting for the same assholes again is not going to do it.

It took years of Bush to get us into these problems in the country.
I would think we should give the President time to figure out the route to take to get us out.
Give the President the time he needs, if then you are not happy with him-vote him out.
Don't just complain, it gets you no where.

I'd like to think that I don't complain, I just point out things as I see them.....including the fact that Bush was hardly the start of the current problems this country faces.

I was prepared to give the President time to figure out the best route to take to get us out of this mess, but less than three weeks after being elected he nominated Timothy F. Geithner, president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to be Treasury Secretary of the United States. Though I still wanted to believe that President Elect Obama (at the time) was not in bed with Wall Street and would fight for the average citizen of the United States, that move proved to be a harbinger for his entire presidency thus far.

I always keep an open mind and will not hesitate to support our President when I think he is doing the right thing for the country and the vast majority of Americans. However, I will also not hesitate to point out when I think the President is a hypocrite and acting as a tool for the international business and banking interests hell-bent on sucking every last ounce of profit from anyone they can get their tentacles on.......

it takes a wise person to admit theyve been schnookered, schnookums

I don't really think the president deserves more time to figure out the solution when he's already going in the same direction. Continuing the Bush Administration's precedent of raping our civil rights doesn't mean he's searching for the truth...it means he's full of shit.

wow, watergate. that controversy in reality was hardly controversial. maybe we can find a way to pin watergate on bush, nixons been dead a while now.

Bush/Cheney never promised us change and hope. Bush/Cheney didn't criticize during their presidential campaign the FBI having unaccounted access to personal and private citizen information, nor did they promise to change that once president.

When you say "Bush started it," all you are doing is saying Obama has broken a major campaign promise in order to continue the heinous measure "Bush started."

Don't get me wrong, i'm not excusing Obama and his promise of "change" or allowing this to continue to happen. I was a big supporter and now very critical of him because of things like this. But i simple stated that bush started this... not that Obama should be given a pass.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess the "But Bush started it!" childish excuse many Democrats use for Obama's failures as president, especially the Democrats who use the excuse to justify their plans to vote for Obama in 2012, is a hot-button for me.

I mean, what future does our country have when voters will accept as a reason for a Democratic president's corruption and stripping us of our Constitutional rights an excuse we wouldn't accept from our own four-year old: "But the other guy started it first!"

Just venting. Thanks for your patience. Smooches.

damm! i wrote this whole comment and it disappeared on me!! =(

well i just said, no worries and thank you for asking. I know that's the first thing some Obama believers do, but i'm no longer a believer in the "changes" he promised.

I know a lot of people that voted for him now feel betrayed. So i do understand your frustration. Also, thanks for the connection! Hope to see you around here more often and enjoy the site! =D

dont think he started it, enhanced it maybe. illegal surveillance is as old as mankind.

Yes, they're rogue elements of the shadow Gummint. The FBI fancies itself
as the would be secret police, and uses the Holder & Nobama scalywags
to puppeteer their Nazi ambitions. Piss on the lot of those UnAmerican
Racketeers.

well big shot maybe if you sent it my way i could have avoided the redundancy. but hey my take is always better than yours anyway. besides i posted mine first

Check the time of the first comment on the different posts. I posted late last night.

Acknowledged.

So will those committed to voting for Obama in 2012 please acknowledge that voting for Obama's reelection is the same as the GOP voters reelecting Bush in 2004, after the public knew Bush lied to get us into Iraq and had shoved the Patriot Act down our throats, which stripped us of important constitutional rights?

the floodgates of abuse have been around since the founding of the country. so do we look the other way because a man we helped put in power continues to abuse his own power?

What did you have in mind? I am not looking the other way. I am very much aware. I also know there is not very much I can do about it.

maybe not. but being aware of it can possibly bring about change we can all believe in. my point being, that not all evil stems from the republican party

Most evil stems from the Republican part. :) LOL. No, both parties are pretty bad, but Republicans seem to be more shameless about being corporate whores.

hey who wouldnt spread their legs for a little power and the right amount of cash?:)

Oh, come on.

If your kid did something really bad and got caught, and when you demanded to know what happened, they said "Johnny did it first, and because he did something bad, I was made bad by it, and I just got caught up in the environment of corruption," would you buy it?

I think that's the very, very lowest bar we can use for a politician's excuse when they do something bad.... If my kid used that excuse for something bad, would I buy it?

You can start working right now to ensure Obama is not reelected in 2012.

I don't EVEN want to hear a recitation of the DNC's standard terror tactic used to keep it's sheeple voters in line..."But if we don't elect [piece-of-shit Democratic candidate du juor, in this case, Obama] Obama, the big scary GOP boogeyman who eats children and stuff will be elected and then it will be really scary and stuff."

We know Obama is going to do this shit. We can assume the a GOP president would do it, too.

Even if Obama is reelected in 2012, we've lost the presidency to a Bush/Cheney-level Republican...which is what Obama is.

But at least the Democratic Party would not be further damaged by politicians like Obama continuing the same policies started by the previous presidential administration which--until Obama came along--was considered the worst and most corrupt administration in at least half of a century--perhaps more.

With Obama as president, and especially if enough Democrats vote to reelect him, the Democratic voters are rubber-stamping the values and ethics of the Repubilcan Party.

That erases any fantasized differences we like to claim exist between the Democrats and the Republicans. It's tell the country and the world, "America is officially an Oligarchy, as approved by Democratic and Republican voters, because there is now now difference between the candidates voted into office by the two political parties' voters."

I think we have to cut our losses and take the moral and ethical stand our other elected politicians and the Obama administration won't take, and say, with our votes, "We will not condone a president who is on the level of Bush/Cheney."

If we want to teach other Dem politicians a lesson, we might make our refusal to vote again for Obama mean "We will not vote for a bait-and-switch scam artist again."

The winds of change that are blowing across America have liberated KO from MSNBC and loyal HuffPost members to Current TV. This is the first manifestation of change freeing people up to do what they know is the right thing, even if it is a difficult change to make for some.

If teh Democratic Party reelects Obama in 2012, I predict there will be a mass exodus of Democratic Party members and/or a large class of apathetic voters created. Whether it's a loss of faith in the two major political parties, or a loss of faith in the voting process as meaningful, it will not be a good event.

But that may be what it takes to deal the kind of blow we need to against the two-party political system. It will mean more chaos for Americans, but that may just be the price we have to pay.

ITA. Followed.

Congoboy, I'm not trying to bust chops, but now do you see why things like the supposedly "temporary" provisions of the Patriot Act are so dangerous? Do you want Obama or any President to have these powers? If they are going to make-up legal grounds to support Orwellian programs of domestic spying, like in the case of this article, imagine what they are doing when their programs are halfway supported by a law, such as the patriot act.

If we couldn't get the Patriot Act deep-sixed when we voted in a Democratic President, House and Senate, there is zero chance we will be able to get it by voting for Democrats in the next election.

The only way we can achieve this by voting is to either NOT vote--signifying a lack of faith in the Democratic Party and the importance of our votes--or to vote 3rd Party or write-in.

If we vote for the Democrats in 2012, we are adding our signatures to the acknowledgment of the fact that we acknowledge, and support, the oligarchy we are helping to create by our votes.

ya know dag my feelings are that the patriot act was originally enacted to spy on foreign nationals who may be plotting americas demise. for this purpose i whole heartedly support the program. my belief also is that the government is too damn busy to spy on every tom dick and harry american and are intent on chasing criminals. well as with all well intended government programs there is always room for misinterpretation and abuse and in the case of abuse and wholesale spying on american citizens i am against it. i would still like to believe that innocent americans univolved in criminal acts are exempt but i realize that is too much to ask. peace