Community | February 16, 2011 | 92 comments

Florida Hopes to Humiliate Unemployed

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Florida's unemployment rates are not so hot. At 12%, it's one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation, and someone in the state government is trying to figure out how to not lose so much of that unemployment benefit to the jobless citizens of the Sunshine State.

You know, the unemployment benefit that was taken out of their paycheck when they had a job? The unemployment benefit that maxes out at $275 per week, since Florida is one of the lowest paying in the union? Yep, that $275 a week is making Representative Kathleen Passidomo cranky, so she proposes that unemployed Floridians do some (more) work for their bennies. Passidomo is supporting legislation to make recipients of unemployment benefits volunteer at least four hours every week.

Before you say, "Hey, volunteering is a great thing!" why don't you stop and think about how that would affect you -- if this idea was to take hold on a national level.

Imagine this scenario: You've just lost your job and your family is in dire financial straits. If you're lucky, you get unemployment benefits (even luckier if you live in a state with a higher weekly rate than Florida). But your government assumes you're a lazy, good-for-nothing, instead of a victim of corporate lay-offs, downsizing, or a bankrupt company. So they ask you to prove your worth to them. Insulted yet?

Don't get me wrong, I think volunteering is a wonderful thing. And, like Representative Passidomo says, it could be a way to make contacts and find more work. Or it could be taking you away from your job search, using your limited gas money, and punishing you for not being able to hold on to a job -- even though it was no fault of your own. Also, throw in child care costs if you're a parent, and your weekly allotment is suddenly not enough to feed those kids. You know, the weekly allotment THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PAID FOR WHEN YOU WERE WORKING.

Way to screw the American people yet again! Why do I think this is totally going to pass? Watch out Floridians -- you'd better not even think about working for a company that could have lay-offs, or you'll be picking up trash on the highway. Instead of looking for another job that could also end in a lay-off.

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  • LLushus
    • -1
      LLushus  
    • I'm not sure how I feel about mandatory "volunteering"... But I do know that companies pay unemployment insurance to their state and that employees do not pay any of it.

    • 1 year ago
  • LucidPanther
    • +1
      LucidPanther  
    • Basically America is a mean-spirited nation. Sure, Americans love to hear politicians flatter them by telling them Americans are intelligent, compassionate, good-hearted, decent people - the salt of the earth..

      The hard reality one learns - especially if one travels abroad to nations such as Auatralia, Western Europe, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and even to nations such as Cuba - is that Americans are mostly greedy, mean-spirited, miserly, isolated, ignorant, self-worshiping and spiteful little people.

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
    • 0
      mitekillem  
    • Unemployment sucks. Period. Being on it, handing over your dignity to get it, etc, etc.
      The thing I remember is going stir crazy after a while. I'd go to the jobs center, check out listings, look online @ monster.com, dicejobs, etc. On average, it took me about 2-3 hours for find all of the new job postings for the week.
      It's pretty easy to go stir-crazy when you're unemployed, I actually wouldn't have minded doing some work, if it meant getting me out of the house.

      Unfortunately, the major problem is not having enough money for gas to make it anywhere.
      if they are willing to compensate for the loss of funds in the gas it takes to do the work, I'd see no problem with it at all.
      Because at least you'd have something to do, even if all it is, is going outside and cleaning up the city.

      But at 12% unemployment, they'd run out of places to clean in a short period of time. LOL

    • 1 year ago
  • hunzedog
    • +1
      hunzedog  
    • goberment is the real problem...if we got rid of the parasites in gubernment who do nothing and dont represent us....we could have a great country again.
      hey gubment......YOUR FIRED.......

    • 1 year ago
  • SIBob
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      SIBob  
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    • Many companies won’t even consider hiring someone who is currently unemployed. The nature of the limited work that is being offered is going drastically downhill. Temp agencies rule and benefits are non-existent. Exploitation is the game. Exploitation is the dream of every business administration major. Our system feeds on it. Now the government is getting in on it with the unemployment volunteering requirement. In New York City welfare “reform” already requires people to pick up trash on the highways. It’s going to get crowded out there if those on unemployment join them. But, humiliation is the intended object. Why don’t they just take this a step further and create some real jobs that involve community service as part of the job description. At least then there will be no stigma attached to it. http://sibob.org/wordpress/

    • 1 year ago
  • alleyhopper
    • 0
      alleyhopper  
    • Kathleen Passidomo is just another twit brain living off of taxpayer money. Does anyone suppose that she would live up to her proposal should she not be re-elected and take all she could get from unemployment?

      She's as mindless as Michele Bachmann.

    • 1 year ago
  • Slfriend79
    • +1
      Slfriend79  
    • These people should not have to do volunteer work to get the unemployment benefits that they paid into to get when they had a job. The four hours Representative Passidomo wants them to work for the unemployment benefits volunteering is four hours that will be taken away from them to look for a real job.

    • 1 year ago
  • Angeliron
  • fairandbiased
    • +5
      fairandbiased  
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    • This is classic repuke demonization of the victim to draw attention away from themselves that CREATED the situation which produced the victim in the first place.
      8 years of Shrub and Darth riding roughshod over the middle class while heaping windfall tax breaks on the top 1% and corporations, while starting 2 unfunded wars for profit in which their criminal families personally made vast fortunes.
      I'd like to hear just ONE of these assholes come up with a single idea for CREATING some domestic jobs instead of giving their corporate puppetmasters tax breaks to take ever more jobs overseas.
      DAMN repukes piss me off !!!

    • 1 year ago
  • dreaddaze
  • Avior
  • FLeggplant
    • +11
      FLeggplant  
    • Isn't Forced Volunteer an Oxymoron,
      like Smart Government or People's Politician?
      Seriously though, Florida has some really screwy laws.
      What's worse is, our new Governor is a criminal.
      Can't wait to see how that turns out.

    • 1 year ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
    • 0
      cantucwearebrothers  
    • I have mixed feelings about this. I can see both sides of the coin for sure.

      I know men pushing 50 who have never been unemployed, that currently are, who are struggling to hold onto some form of self worth. I have also seen people apply for jobs simply because it is required; with no real interest in acquiring employment.

      It's an unfortunate situation all the way around.

    • 1 year ago
  • dreamsenvoy
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • California must be different. I've worked in Mississippi and Tennessee, and in fact drawn unemployment at one time from both. But unemployment benefits were never taken out of my paycheck. It is the responsibility of the employer to pay in a certain percentage based on the amount of payroll, number of employees, and number of claims, higher turnover, higher percentage. I pay Mississippi state income tax, but an unemployment benefit taken out, no. I've seen people say this before, but I am unfamiliar with it. Florida may very well do it, they don't have an income tax. But Tennessee doesn't have an income tax and nothing comes out of my check that goes to the state, it is the responsibility of the employer.

    • 1 year ago
  • fairandbiased
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      fairandbiased  
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    • JohnA:

      Unemployment compensation is NOT payed by employees in Florida or anywhere else, but by employers.
      Now, the employers take this into account when deciding pay rates, so it is indirectly coming out of the employee's bottom line.

      "According to the U.S. Department of Labor Employment & Training Administration, unemployment benefits, also called unemployment insurance payments, are “intended to provide temporary financial assistance to unemployed workers who meet the requirements of State law.” The funding for this financial assistance is provided by employers who pay state and federal taxes."

      Source:http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/unemployment-benefits/

    • 1 year ago
  • 3reddogs
    • +4
      3reddogs  
    • I wonder how many people will lose their jobs because of all the "volunteers" forced to do their work? Taken to its logical conclusion there'll be no more public sector jobs in Florida -- just a bunch of indentured public servants. Pah.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • nevergiveup
    • -4
      nevergiveup  
    • Florida is the armpit of the nation.

      Florida pays less in federal taxes than it gets in federal dollars.

      I'm a Californian and I WANT MY TAX DOLLARS THAT WENT TO FLORIDA BACK!

    • 1 year ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • fairandbiased
  • toastyguy11
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • Dr_Jimmy_Mr_Jim
    • +8
      Dr_Jimmy_Mr_Jim  
    • Does anybody remember that old Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs "saws off" Florida and it floats away?

      I wonder what made me think of that. I wonder.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • ikenhower
    • +5
      ikenhower  
    • sounds to me the rep has other ideas on how to spend the unemployment money, She probally figures people won't do it thus lose their benifits freeing up that money for something else, like a new stadium.

    • 1 year ago
  • Prijedor
  • Gillian_Marktoo
  • nevergiveup
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • Prijedor
    • -13
      Prijedor  
    • Good! The only ones that will complain about this are the lazy sonsabitches that get the unemployment every week while sitting back and watching Jerry Springer every day

    • 1 year ago
  • bundlebear
    • +5
      bundlebear  
    • Prijedor:

      i wouldn't consider a person lazy if they collecting unemployment my father and brother are welders who are laid off at least 3 to 4 months a year. not to mention unemplyment is not as easy to get on as some people think

    • 1 year ago
  • Gillian_Marktoo
    • +2
      Gillian_Marktoo  
    • Prijedor:

      and your assumption here is that everyone unemployed is watching blah blah...if the money is theirs, it's theres end of story. If the gov't can't manage it, then they should pass it on to someone who can or stop collecting money out of people's paychecks for it.

    • 1 year ago
  • nevergiveup
  • nevergiveup
  • Weedy_Seadragon
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • ZiggyStrange
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • remanns
  • ZiggyStrange
  • ZiggyStrange
  • mapczar
    • +5
      mapczar  
    • It is a good idea to volunteer while your are unemployed. You can keep your working routine and skills sharp and you will not have any gaps on your work history when you do get another job. Employers are discriminating against people who have a working gap of more than 6 months.

      On the other hand, it is a bad idea to "require" voluntary work in order to get unemployment benefits. I thought the right wanted smaller government and a government that stays out of the personal lives of its citizens. Unemployment insurance is just that, an insurance plan that you have paid into. If you get more benefits than you paid it -- hey, welcome to risk capitalism. Sometimes you win, but not always. That is the risk of insurance. They are betting they will get more than they pay out. I can't help but think that government is starting to act just like the insurance companies and their shenanigans trying not to pay out on their end of the contract.

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • Cruzankenny
  • arbil333
    • 0
      arbil333  
    • more rules more laws. more problems.so make more rules and more laws.to see more problems.to make more.MORE MORE MORE

    • 1 year ago
  • arbil333
  • arbil333
  • Prijedor
  • Gillian_Marktoo
  • Weedy_Seadragon
  • arbil333
  • 667
    • +1
      667  
    • @Cruzankenny You don't think that employers factor in all of the costs of employing you before they hire you? I put forth that people receive a lower wage because of the unemployment insurance and other mandatory costs associated with hiring. So in essence the employee is paying the tax by accepting the lower wage. Forcing people to work twice for a benefit they already worked for is just wrong.

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
    • 0
      Cruzankenny  
    • 667:

      That's why I stated it didn't make a difference in the gist of the article. Just as an employer factors in employer paid health insurance. I just wanted to set the record straight.

    • 1 year ago
  • August_K
    • +5
      August_K  
    • I can just see it now....companies will be giving out pink slips because they can use FREE forced "volunteer" labor.
      What a great way to cut their labor costs.

    • 1 year ago
  • twinite
    • +6
      twinite  
    • Wow....the past several years the government has done NOTHING to seriously addresss this issue, yet they feel it's okay to humiliate the victims of their 9 year hiatus......this is some crazy chit.

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
    • +2
      Cruzankenny  
    • While overall it shouldn't make much difference to the gist of the article, this story needs one correction. Employees do not pay unemployment tax, the employer is responsible for that payment.
      Regardless of who pays the fund, I would question the legality of 'requiring volunteerism'. Isn't that an oxymoron? Once you make it mandatory, it's no longer volunteering.
      This is a prime example of why a bureaucracy in charge of disbursing government funds is just another layer that costs money and makes the whole system less efficient.
      On top of having an organization delving into your personal life, being treated like some lowlife, being made to stand in lines to be served and at the mercy of someone sucking at the government tit for a living, someone who was employed by your tax dollars when you were working; you now may be forced to do some form of "volunteer work" just because you were laid off. It's not even like you were fired, then you wouldn't be eligible for benefits.

    • 1 year ago
  • wtthfkovr
    • +12
      wtthfkovr  
    • The unemployment benefits are from unemployment insurance to have to do so called volunteer work in order to receive those benefits would be like wrecking your car then having to go clean the insurance office in order to get your car fixed

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
  • figgdimension
    • +6
      figgdimension  
    • anybody remember the Depression at least their was solidarity and humanism not this rampant self interest and corporate& political GREED! Never was it so hostile Recession my as this aint the 80's this is DEPRESSION and worse cause they are dismantling the remnants of NEW DEAL

    • 1 year ago
  • Milieu
    • +1
      Milieu  
    • figgdimension:

      Might want to check the background there. Many, many Republicans were suggesting many of the same things.

      Republican -> Conservative -> The way things used to be -> Laird and Master decides what the peopul really need.

    • 1 year ago
  • hanzdogy
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • figgdimension
  • timetide
    • +14
      timetide  
    • okay. since I'm a history nerd my first thought was american historical background that shares characteristics with this article. The last time I can recall somebody being forced to "volunteer" for free was during Jim Crow when they would round up all the "Lazy" African American's and force them to "volunteer" at places like big farms and local factories to pay off their jail time (normally arrested on BS charges or for simple things like walking down a street) or for their "unemployement".

      My mind is noticing a lot of simular words being used.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
    • +1
      Mr_Brainwash  
    • timetide:

      Yup... They assume that we are leaning on our government structured education which didn't teach us shit. Instead of falling for their scam, too many of the sheep went and got a real education at the local libraries and internet.

    • 1 year ago
  • Blueshound9
    • +3
      Blueshound9  
    • Ok, I have two issues with this article.

      1. How is volunteering a "Humiliation" as the title claims.

      2. This is NOT volunteering, This is extortion.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • opit
  • Dbld420
    • -9
      Dbld420  
    • this is a great article. i like how u should the bad with the good.... i believe everyone recieving aid from the state should have to pass a drug test. medicaitons would be legit tho

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • Cruzankenny
    • +7
      Cruzankenny  
    • Dbld420:

      You are not receiving 'aid' from the states, you are receiving insurance benefits you wouldn't be eligible for unless you were gainfully employed and released while still under good standing by your employer.
      I might see the reasoning behind requiring a drug test if you are receiving some form of Federal or State assistance from a taxpayer funded entitlement program, but even that seems hard-hearted and degrading.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gillian_Marktoo
  • ja2003wow
    • +1
      ja2003wow  
    • Dbld420:

      Every time you post, you sound so heartless, young, and uneducated. You know nothing about your roots, the roots & history of the majority of humans in this country. Where would you be without all that your family have made possible for you? We all worked, struggled, did without, to ensure your ability to have more, than we had. I hope that you & others like you wise up to the fact that you are not self made, or self sustaining. I feel guilty sometimes that we have raised such a selfish, unkind generation.

    • 1 year ago
  • good_stuff
    • 0
      good_stuff  
    • Yeah, not a huge deal, but it certainly set s bad precident. I kinda have a feeling you could just get a friend to sign off on your "volunteering" though, unless it is only through certain programs which would be BS in my opinion.

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
    • 0
      Cruzankenny  
    • good_stuff:

      I wonder how much the cost of overseeing something like this, that effects 12% of the working population, will add to the $275.00 per week. Seems vicious and mean spirited to me.

    • 1 year ago
  • Varex_Sythe
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • Varex_Sythe
  • Mr_Brainwash
    • 0
      Mr_Brainwash  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      I'm neither, but speaking for many hard working, and laid off Americans, they are not proud to be unemployed. I had family that liked to commit welfare fraud back in the late 80's and I personally think they deserve a special piece of hell on Earth. Just sayin'.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
  • Cruzankenny
  • littlwarrior
    • +1
      littlwarrior  
    • Cruzankenny:

      because in theory people who are unemployed have more time than those of us who are employed and volunteering is good thing there are lots of non profits out there that need someones time. It also makes sense that it could help people get job's as some of those non profits have paying position's, and people looking for good employees do look to non profits for prospects, plus it looks good on your resume. The reality is though that most of these people on unemployment are twice as stressed and dont really have a whole lot of extra time because they are desperately searching for a new job, or someway to make a little extra cash on the side because they cannot live on what they are getting from unemployment.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
    • 0
      Mr_Brainwash  
    • Cruzankenny:

      Well objectively it would keep people busy. There are some proud people who would rather "volunteer" than to be on the dole. It would provide some much needed services for which we can't "pay."

      On the other hand, it's a terribly slippery slope and a terrible idea lol.

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
    • +2
      Cruzankenny  
    • Mr_Brainwash:

      If there are people who wish to volunteer, then by all means, let them volunteer! Requiring them to volunteer is tantamount to a criminal sentencing of community service. Those who work for us, the taxpayer, who perform no duties that generate profit are essentially welfare recipients with a pension plan, a place to go each workday and paid vacations.
      To place them in charge of an individual who performed at a for profit business, providing taxes that paid the government workers salary is nothing but demeaning and putting the cart before the horse.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
  • Cruzankenny
  • ja2003wow
    • 0
      ja2003wow  
    • Mr_Brainwash:

      Unemployment is NOT the dole. You work, you pay into unemployment, as does the employer. That would seem to be the issue---many employers are trying to break the rules that an employee should have a small income when laid off, no matter the circumstance. Thus, more get fired, than laid off. A fired employee does not qualify for unemployment---must fight for the right to claim weeks of unemployment.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mr_Brainwash
    • 0
      Mr_Brainwash  
    • ja2003wow:

      Good points.

      I left my post at a company recently because of stuff just like this! I was told to perpetrate things like this on employees. I was pressured everyday to violate the law, violate civil rights, etc. All in the name of profit. I'm not cut out for business and I left... lost my home, my "career", everything.

      What you say there is 100% true. If you EVER get fired, get a lawyer, and the first thing you should do is have the company investigated for wrongful firing. At the company I worked for, this type of thing accounted for at least 50% of the firings.

    • 1 year ago
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