Israeli Leadership Fears Arab Popular Democracy

ROFLOL

he and maasanova seem to function in spurts.or so it seems to me

The last Israeli Prime Minister to seek a just Peace with the Palestinians was Yitzhak Rabin. We all know what happened to him and it was not a Muslim who did it.

the israeli palestinian situation is entirely seperate from what is going on.the people of the region who are protesting are seeking to have the freedoms that the palestinians already have.the media coverage of israel is so biased (both ways) that the reality gets lost.wich is the palestinians, despite thier issues with israel, are the most liberaly free arabs in the region with only turkey really topping them.

the middle east is experiencing a liberty awakening that the palestinians are already well past.this is why the propaganda about this issue drives me nuts.i mean in gaza and the west bank, equal rights for woman are not an issue as woman arent as restricted as they are in the rest of the region.in the bank they even have woman nascar leagues.no virtue police, no sharia oppression.in actuality the use of political issues is what palestinian leaders have been exploiting instead of religion like the rest of the region.

israel wont have its citizens protesting as they are already in possession of representative government.and the palestinians already have thier issues with thier leadership out in the open.maybe the gazans will organize against hamas, but it isnt likely.hamas is a literal terror outfit more than a gov. so half wont want to test them, and the other half are content with thier existance under hamas, as long as hamas scares israel.

you got to remember when reading anything abou this to qulify your source and that "palestinian" is a blanket term that encompasses gaza,the bank, as well as the million who live as irael citizens.
of course gazans and west bank palestinians wouldnt be availed of the services that israelis are as they refuse to be israelis.just as americans cant just take a trip to canada for thier health services.arab muslim citizens of israel (palestinians) get the identical services the jewish and christian israelis recieve.

another problem is in population stats.while palestinian citizens of israel are welcome to have transplants thier are few donors available as arab muslims make up only a quarte of the population.he may be denied a transplant while jewish kids arent simply because a viable donor isnt available.

its funny that he would have to come here for a transplant, cuz we are having a huge problem with that as well.so it seems ironic, as our citizens are traveling elsewhere for the same reason.

the palestinians in the west bank and gaza have total freedom.the freedom to choose thier own path as opposed to being forced to submit to the path that the knessit deems viable.the thing is, in thier choosing of path's, they chose an oppressive one.any and all oppressin experienced on the part of gazan and west bank palestinians can hardly be the fault of the israeli government and thier policies, as they dont abide by them one way or the other.the lack of freedom in those regions has nothing to do with israel and everything to do with hamas and fatah.the elcted leadership of those regions.

unemployment has always been the case in israel.israel has never had a good economy so it is hardly anything new.nor is it like they could have a good economy but leadership doesnt value it.they are democratic and voice discontent as well as put thier two cents in by electing leaders going forward.the palestinian economy just doesnt exist, as palestinians leadership still, as always doesnt value any kind of infrastructure.im not gunna go into why, but the plo has never done one single thing to foster economic growth for thier people, so of course they have no jobs.

if the citizens of gaza deciede to march in israel it would be an escalation of war, as that is the state of affairs between the two peoples.the citizens of gaza have absolutely no direct business with israel, as they are autonomous with thier own representative leadership.they are not welcome in israel, and israelis arent welcome in gaza.for either to march on the other is counter productive to say the least.

fatah was willing to give much, not the palestinians.the palestinians represented by fatah, upon learning of the consessions fatah was willing to make rioted and destroyed the local al-jazeera out post as a result.fatah is in a civil war with hamas over who is the recognized palestinian authority, and fatah will give away the store if it can.so they can be recognized as the guys who made headway.of all the consessions fatah made, they refused the only one israel really cares about, wich is acceptance of israel as a soveriegn state.israel doesnt give a shit what random parcels of land they gain, if that land is covered in blood perpetualy.

further more, while israel may look like the party of stagnation in the peace process by those leaks, it also shows that the palestinian authority, yet again, says one thing to the world but has an alternate agenda.while all the palestinian suppoorters take thier cues from the leadership as to what the bone of contention is, it turns out in actuality they dont care about the land.as they are willing (in secret) to give it up.israel may not be helping in moving things forward, but the palestinian side has been caught, yet again, lying.

your reasons for defending israel seems to be petty, if not them then someone else would have invented google,pentium chip etc.

im not defending israel on the basis of the tech advances they have offered, cuz of course if not here then there and so on.but lucid panther literaly asked what benefits have resulted from us supporting israel in the manor we do.and so i offered an answer to that inquery.true if another science minded nation recieved all that we have given israel they may have created all that stuff instead.but the question at hand wasnt a supposition but literal.

i defend israel based on equal standards applied to all.they recieved massive aggression by thier nieghbors and earned thier right ot exist by the same standards the entire rest of the planets nations recognize as valid.they won.had the palestinians been passive and israel waged war on them, and the palestinians won i would support them instead.but as it is, it is the other way around.

wether or not a people are good or not is subjective, but that isnt the question.the question was what reasoning or rational do we use in regards to our support of israel.our tech. supremecy is important to us and makes supporting israel invaluable, wether they are good or bad.just like how we protected nazi war criminals after ww2 based on what they offered us in science.

our need for preditor drones and superior computer tech (like the kind that destroy iranian computers) are essential.as well as israel being the only self motivated, reliable intel in the region.to me that validates what ever price tag.i mean can you put a price on not having 9-11's being a regular occurrance?

what how ever makes the israelis good is the same thing that makes us more good than bad.while we both do dirty business out of neccessity for survival, we work our ass's off to balance it out.early warning systems for tsunamis they give to at risk nations.of all the nations that stepped up to help haiti, it was israel who did the most with no lateral drama.unlike us with our baby theft, and the cholara deal from whom ever.even if you go back, israel was willing to help the aghanis liberate themselves from the soviets, even without the public praise they deserve and we hogged.as a nation they walk as rightious a path as possible.

Israel is not a constant campaign of evil, its just stuck in a very long struggle, partly by its own fault. one reason israel should be concerned because its been getting support while being surrounded by these dictatorships. Once these are gone, Israel cannot blame anyone or attempt to exert rights on others.

P.S Jews are just people, Israeli govt. is an ass

im just pointing out how not based in reality the "real" news is.

really? you find walls to be scarier than rockets?
i mean the rest of us find 10,000 rocket attacks in the last decade as indicitive of terrorizing.

are the palestinians terrorized? cuz ya wont catch any israelis going near borders of gaza, but there seems to be no shortage of gazans tempting idf soldiers.i mean im not particularly afraid of our soldiers, but i wouldnt throw rocks at them and expect to not get shot.yet the gazans seem to have no problem with throwing approaching idf soldiers aggressively.doesnt seem like they are too terrified.

Criticizing the victims of a brutal occupation and the rape of their land for resisting - with stones and rockets - is like criticizing a rape victim for scratching the rapist's face.

The militant, illegal, apartheid state of Israel is armed with nukes and all the modern high tech American weapons they can buy with American welfare money which we pay for with our tax dollars.

i criticize people who opt for such behavior when an open democratic process exists to handle any and all issues.i would criticize the native americans if they took to slaughtering civilians as well.the occupation is born from palestinian aggression, as the million palestinians who arent aggressive, who live as civilians of israel, dont suffer what the bank and gaza does.it has nothing to do with religion or race.
israel, since day one, offered a coalition government wich the palestinians responded to with a declaration of war.everything since has just been an steady escalation and response.

if the palestinians wanted to they could organize political parties and be represented in the knessit.having thier will and needs met.as long as they chose to kill israeli civilians as thier means of resisting they are nothing more than terrorists and deserve no pity as they chose blood over the basic civility you seem to demand.

yes israel has prospered very well from adapting to the western standards of functioning.gee i wonder how the palestinians, who in 48 were given identical support os israel, would have fared had they chosen to get along rather than demand the death of all jews.
the fact that israel has nukes is completely irrelevant.not only have they been provoked beyond a point that would validate using them and they have not, they cant use them against the palestinians.bein as the region is too small to use nukes without destroying israelis interest simultaniously.

aparthied state huh? look up the defenition of aparthied and let me know how that applies when gaza and the bank have open borders with other nations.israel is under absolutely no obligation what so ever to create a direct path from gaza to the bank.certainly not when both regions are openly dedicated to the destruction of israel.not to mention that gaza only exists as a palestinian territory from israel giving to them.giving it to them for zero concessions or anything in return.

would you prefer israel had not done that, thus taking away the ability to spin aparthied? would you prefer just straight up occupation?damned if they do damned if they dont.

israel is a democracy complete with free speech.ya know all those hbo shows we love so much.guess where they came from? ya know israel has more news papers using its right of free speech than we do right.jerusalem post and haaretz alone offer more criticism of the knessit than anyplace else.
no issue is under the rug or beyond discussion, and everyone has the same exact rights as israeli citizens regardless of religion.let me know when christian subjugation begins so you have a basis for making such a statement.until then you are swimming in hyperbole and ignoring those who are treated like shit are so cuz they pose themselves as enemies of the state.

israel is a secular state not a theocracy.thier law is secular not based on the torah.nice try again with the hyperbole.they are no more a jewish theocracy than we are a christian theocracy.just jewish nationalists the way we are christian nationalists.

steal land? i thought the palestinians were under occupation? how can israel steal land they are already occupying?i know it was a long time ago but in 2005 the palestinians actualy gained about 400 percent more land from the israelis.as a show of good fath btw nothing more.

ah yes, when swimming in hyperbole ya dont want to forget to use the contemperary hyperbolic slander.aparthied is the in one now right, as genocide was exposed as bullshit.too bad they arent an aparthied, any more than the united states is an aparthied seperating canada from mexico.

can ya share the corralation between the revolutions in bahrain,tunisia,egypt,lybia,and yemen that have anything to do with israel?please i would love to hear this.

boot heels on the palestinians huh? i guess hamas and fatah work for the israeli oppressive machine.a lot of elections happen under boot heel oppression?

is that the way it is?

in totality no.but im not supposing to be an authority on how it is.just calling out particular strains of bullshit.

israel will do what any soveriegn nation would do.stop it by any means required

all peoples are are fed up with thier politicians.it is the nature of politics that politicians ritualy dissapoint thier citizens.but israel, like us, while fed up has representative government.there fore an appuratus by wich thier discontent can be adressed.that is the dividing line between western style existance and arab.