Thanks for posting this! I've already been there!

i used to live in wisconsin... i didnt care about politics then but i thought the governor prior to walker was a well liked guy... why didnt he get reelected?

Former Governor Doyle chose not to run for re-election after 8 years in office because the political climate had shifted so far right and his approval numbers were down. he was very popular in the beginning because he cared about the working poor and he's a huge Planned Parenthood backer. But after the economic meltdown, caused by Bush's love affair with Wall Street, the stupid right wingers successfully blamed all of our fiscal woes on Doyle and "his programs." All he cared about was helping those most unfortunate. But the right wing firestorm that engulfed WI, took him down.

i dont think its a great idea for you to suggest in writing to bomb politicians offices or burn them down... just sayin

I think that's obvious.

It can be. Depends what country you're in.... as far as pronouncement goes.

bahaahaha

Fake call -- real corruption. No jelly beans there. We all know who his sugar daddy is and how little it takes to get him on his knees.

So, how do we get them out after the mistake of voting them in has been made. That is a huge flaw in the system.

I hate to be a bitch about it but if you folks or the folks who voted in that bastard had paid attention to what he was selling then he would not have had the chance to screw with them. I am against what he/they have done but maybe a little wake up call is what these folks need to look before they leap. I bet they won't do that shit again!

Oh, I agree. I did not vote for the guy but I wonder how he (and others got in there). What happens when the guy you thought you voted for turns out to be a butt?

But he was always a BUTT and if folks had listened they would have realized it. Not only do I think they are complicit but those who stayed home and not vote against BUTTHOLES like Walker are also to be blamed. I hope they use this as a wake up call for the next time.

You keep pointing the finger at WI. This whole country voted Bush in a second time after he stole the first election and was already a war criminal by 2004. So the rest of the country doesn't have anything over WI. Obviously, a lot of people make mistakes. And don't always learn from them. At least WI is figuring it out real quick. Which is more than can be said for the states who voted for W. Bush twice.

Lady you are mistaken. I am not pointing the finger (the bad one) at only WI but the entire country who did not listen and voted in those bastards. And if you think Bush was voted in twice then you might have to do a bit of research into this thing called the Diabold voting machines. You might be surprised on what you will read/learn. And for the love of who you deem GOD stop following me around if you disagree with what I post and taking it so personal. I don't know you and might never want to so why should you feel targeted when there are other states who are going through similar conflicts as WI by voting in those bastards? Just ignore me and I will do the same to you.

I know about the Diebold machines, with an E. They make a lot of ATM machines with their name right on it. You are accusing me of following you, I've got 4 freaking responses from you in my in box right now from 4 different threads. Who's stalking who? Please, please do a "do as I say" and IGNORE me and I will most certainly not address any of your future posts. You cannot be debated.

Who is debating you? I tend to agree with some of your postings, in fact I agree with most except the ones where you are trying to target me as if I was in with the plan of that bastard Walker el al. First you said I "wished" this upon you last week and I responded that I wish to win the lotto every night and that has yet to happen so wishes are just that wished. Now you are saying I am blaming the folks of WI for the self inflicted screw which they will definitely feel voting for the Rethugs who made their mandate public with what they intended to do so again WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? WI IS BEING USED AS THE REFERENCE TO THIS PLAN OF THE RETUGS BECAUSE THEY WERE THE FIRST TO BEGIN THE PROTEST AND NOTHING ELSE SO DON'T DIRECT YOUR PAIN AND ANGER TO WARDS ME BECAUSE I DID NOT VOTE FOR A JERK AS PER THE FOLKS OF WI AND THE OTHER STATES WHICH ARE NOW REALIZING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I VOTED FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS MY INTEREST NOT THAT OF THE SUPERRICH PUPPET MASTERS AKA THE KOCHROACH BROS. SO AGAIN LADY TAKE YOUR AGGRESSION ELSEWHERE. WHY NOT USE THAT PENT UP ANGER AND FLING A FEW BRICKS THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOW OF THE GOVERNORS AND THE KOCHROACH BROS HOME AND BUSINESS? AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR CLEARING UP THE DIEBOLD MACHINE WITH AN E! VERY NECESSARY INFO WHICH I NEEDED TO KNOW!

the flaw in the system is... the more money and friends you have, the more immune you are to impeachment. i hope walker will be impeached and indicted for corruption... the evidence is really clear in this case. but it wont happen... another criminal politician will get away with it again.

Check out this story on the Koch brothers family history. Ilse Koch made things from human skin at Buchenwald concentration camp where she was known as the "B" of Buchenwald. She was convicted of war crimes (the only woman) and the family oil business was started in part by US Koch's selling oil to Nazi Germany even though there was supposedly no US dealing with Nazi's allowed. Very interesting read. They started the John Birch Society and now are backing the tea-party. How is it that noone knows all of this. I only learned it this morning.

Excellent piece of history. So we have the Bushs funding the Nazis, and now the Kochs.... yes, true American Patriots. Nazi Germany...... where else would a quality duo like the Kochs come from?

And Willy Walker is right there with them. This needs to be passed on to the rest of the world!

This explains a lot! No wonder they are so ruthless!

Excellent post. I heard about the Bush's being involved with Nazi's but not the Koch's. But it seems to explain everything. This should be circulated widely. +^d.

+^d

Tell that to the people of Wisconsin when they lose all of their employment rights, including Medicaid assistance, and will have to pay WHATEVER the KOCH brothers say they'll have to pay in utilities. And I think MANY people know how cold it gets in Wisconsin.

i think those people should start causing some chaos up there... like walker said, we dont want anyone to cause so much trouble that the people would demand a solution... thats exactly what needs to happen

you really are a douche here's the facts sammy-Walker has a political agenda that relies on the fantasy that Wisconsin is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

Walker is not interested in balanced budgets, efficient government or meaningful job creation.

Walker is interested in gaming the system to benefit his political allies and campaign contributors.

To achieve that end, he has proposed a $137 million budget “repair” bill that he intends to use as a vehicle to:

1. Undermine the long-established collective bargaining rights of public employee unions, which have for 80 years been the strongest advocates for programs that serve the great mass of Wisconsinites, as opposed to wealthy elites and corporate special interests. As Racine’s Democratic state Rep. Cory Mason says, the governor’s bill is designed not with the purpose of getting the state’s finances in order but as “an assault on Wisconsin’s working families and political payback against unions who didn’t support Gov. Walker.”

2. Pay for schemes that redirect state tax dollars to wealthy individuals and corporate interests that have been sources of campaign funding for Walker’s fellow Republicans and special-interest campaigns on their behalf. As Madison’s Democratic state Rep. Brett Hulsey notes, the governor and legislators aligned with him have over the past month given away special-interest favors to every lobby group that came asking, creating zero jobs in the process “but increasing the deficit by more than $100 million.”

Actually, Hulsey’s being conservative in his estimate of how much money Walker and his allies have misappropriated for political purposes.

One Wisconsin Now, the progressive watchdog group that has provided the closest monitoring of Walker’s budgetary gamesmanship, explains:

“Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:

“• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs.

“• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.

“• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”

State Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison, sums up this scheming accurately when he says: “In one fell swoop, Gov. Walker is trying to institute a sweeping radical and dangerous notion that will return Wisconsin to the days when land barons and railroad tycoons controlled the political elites in Madison.”

The bottom line is evident to anyone who cares to pay attention not to the spin but to the budget figures: Walker is manufacturing a fiscal “crisis” in order to achieve political goals.

Walker is not addressing a fiscal crisis.

He is not serving Wisconsin.

He is serving his own interest and those of the lobbyists who represent his campaign contributors.

Wow! Thanks for the personal attack. All I did was point out the top ten lobbyists in Madison by time and money expended---and that according to you makes me a douche. Nice, enlightened dialogue. I am not a Walker supporter, nor do I live in WI, but the top ten lobby list is factual.

After calling me a douche you go on a rant to vilify Walker. Everything you say may be true, but that doesn't invalidate the simple statement I made.

I trust NOTHING that has the name "Washington" in it.... especially anything media.

Read everything and discern the truth for yourself. None but ourselves can free our minds.

Yes, vote down truth as the truth obviously doesn't matter!

WTF is your point? Why don't you just find another place to troll where you're actually welcome! You are truly a stupid human being.

...see if you can follow this- Your bullets about the Teachers lobby have nothing to do with this story.

The truth is very useful. This particular truth -- I'll take your word for it -- that the Teacher's Union spends a lot of money lobbying is useful in determining the motive of Walker and the right in busting unions. Busting unions = attacking their political rivals. Now that Citizens United gives corporations the run of our political system they are very powerful indeed. Busting the unions will give them even more power and eliminate their competition in the political marketplace.

This is supported by the fact that the unions are not what is causing WI deficits, but rather it is stuff like tax cuts and stuff like that, for the rich... for the corporations. They are only blaming the unions because they idealistically want to get rid of the unions regardless of their cost.

This whole charade is a power-grab by the right wing / corporations / rich. It is very transparent.

When huge dollars are being spent to defund and eliminate public education, you have to put a dog in the fight. This Walker crap didn't happen overnight. It's the culmination of a 30-year effort to privatize everything short of taking a leak. Although I understand there might be GOP legislative attempts there, too. Something about mandating a wide stance...

But seriously, screw the attempts to vilify the teacher's union. EVERYONE knows that this is a smoke screen to cover other things hidden in the bill -- Energy monopolies, the gutting of Medicaid, etc.

It's out in the open. If these guys continue on this path, there will be consequences. That's not a threat, by the way. It's cause and effect.

Hah! Look, I'm not questioning your numbers....but the source is sketchy and needs to be verified. As far as voting down "truth" ......well, you're funny.

So by all means, verify! And please let us know what you come up with.

If this is not what the people of WI want then there should be consequences for those ushering it in.

Thank you for your comments. I agree that lobbying should be outlawed. I am one who believes the truth will set us free, regardless of the uncomfortable paths it may lead us down.

Both parties have now given in to the corporate whims and it is hurting all of us.

The story is about protesters rightly voicing their anger at the Koch bros. lobby machine. I was merely pointing out the top ten lobbyists in Madison. I was not sure how rampant lobbying in Madison was until the current crisis started. It's both sides that flood the capitol with dollars.

it should be illegal for any corporation to give money to politicians... think of the money the government would have if they stopped accepting bribes and collected rightful taxes and enforced rules and regulations, like the rest of us.

I agree that no corporation should be able to give money to politicians. Do we stop there? How do you feel about non-profits giving money to politicians?

no organizations or corporations... only individuals unaffiliated with the media, corporations, organizations, or political groups should be able to donate... and there should be a 5000 dollar cap on what any politician can spend on a campaign... lets cut out all this running for 2 years bullshit.

I like your donation guidelines. One the $5K cap I like it but I am not sure if it stays within the 1st amendment. On the timeline I absolutely agree. How about a 60 day campaign period and one term in the Senate or White House and 3 in the House? A person would then have to sit out an election before running again.

im not sure how it steps outside of the 1st amendment... it has nothing to do with the first amendment... doesnt matter anyways... the guys who make the rules arent going to make any that would lose money for themselves.

The 1st amendment would come into play if we were to outlaw or regulate candidate speech.

i'm not sure how regulating campaign finance would infringe on their freedom of speech

"boycott of all their products and services".

Here's the list of stuff to boycott.....scroll down a bit and you'll see it.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-and-Defeat-Koch-Industries/155879361093898...

Applause Applause!

They have been working at it but we be pushing back.

They are everywhere fighting for their right to control AND Pollute. Arnold even called them the enemy in a news conference!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/opinion/21tue1.html?_r=1

Dear dem, tarring and feathering is what they used to do to people who they thought were the wrong color...and it was done by dems. It would be nice if we could move forward and not back.

But you are mistaken. The tarring and feathering came from good old England where it was a form of punishment so you are incorrect. But it did come to the US and here are some facts for you to learn and where the heck did you find this practice being used by Dems? Beck University or Limpballs gasbag?:
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Tarring and Feathering was a punishment that went back to the Middle Ages with Richard the Lionhearted and the Crusades. The first record is in 1189. Richard ordered that any robber voyaging with the crusaders “shall be first shaved, then boiling pitch shall be poured upon his head, and a cushion of feathers shook over it.” It was not used extensively until the American colonists revived the punishment in the 1760s. Patriots used it against British officials and loyalists in the American colonies.

Tar could easily be found in the shipyards and everyone had feathers in their pillows. With the materials at hand, tarring and feathering was a common threat and punishment. Though the tarring was not usually fatal, it was extremely unpleasant. Applying the burning hot tar to bare skin usually caused painful blistering and efforts to remove it often made the condition worse. The adding of feathers which stuck to the tar added to the humiliation and made the victim a comical figure. Sometimes tar was applied to the clothing, and was only a minor warning. (click picture for enlargement and more info)

In the spring of 1766 Captain William Smith came under suspicion as an informer of American smuggling activities. He experienced first hand the tar and feather. In retribution, John Gilchrist, a Norfolk merchant and shipbuilder and several accomplices captured Smith and, as he reported, "dawbed my body and face all over with tar and afterwards threw feathers on me." Smith's assailants, which included the mayor of Norfolk, then carted him "through every street in town," and threw him into the sea. Fortunately, Smith was rescued by a passing boat just as he was "sinking, being able to swim no longer." This may have been the first tarring and feathering in America.

After the enactment of the Stamp Act, it was common to threaten or attack British government employees in the colonies. No stamp commissioner or tax collector was actually tarred and feathered but by November 1, 1765, the day the Stamp Act tax went into effect, there were no stamp commissioners left in the colonies to collect it.

Tarring and feathering was successfully used as a weapon against the Townshend Duties (including the tea tax which led to the Boston Tea Party). In Parliament they hotly debated how best to punish the Bostonians. one member argued that "Americans were a strange set of people, and that it was in vain to expect any degree of reasoning from them; that instead of making their claim by argument, they always chose to decide the matter by tarring and feathering." Fearing that the practice was getting out of control and was harming their image, Boston leaders called a halt to the practice. Elsewhere in the colonies, it persisted as a way to intimidate and punish loyalists.

The practice was occasionally very violent and resulted in death, but most of the time the purpose was humiliation. John Robert Shaw, in his autobiography from this period, tells a story of a light feathering from New Bedford, Massachusetts:

You and me both Nancy!

Even though I'd been following the news heavily for months before the primaries... I got a real education about the Koch's after I read Jane Mayer's article in the New Yorker.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=al...

What about Fox HQ?

They did! Just a few nights ago. Ed Schultz went out and talked to them.
GREAT GREAT GREAT AMERICANS!

OTFLMAO!!! You have just created a cheer. Now I'm visualizing it being chanted at a cheerleading competition. Should we all take a few cheerleaders to the protests so that they can chant this and do a pyramid? Let's pass this one along. You haven't copyrighted it yet, have you? lol...

Yes! but edited so that it's repeated over and over in rapid succession! Then they may just get the message...lol

Oooh , I like that chant .....

LOLOL!! I do not understand a single word, but I LOVED the way that cool gent just got up and gave him what he's asking for. AWESOME!

right on . +^d

yepper. +^d