Utah-based Group Moves to Recall Wisconsin Democratic Senators

Who died and made you law giver and snitch supreme?

I read nothing in that article to indicate this was some Mormon initiative. It is a group based in Utah. Unless you have some evidence to show this is backed by the Mormon Church, why don't you keep your bigoted comments to yourself.

What does Utah have to do with Wisconsin? Why are they meddling in that state?

Hey gocatsgo, I am not a bigot. so do not judge me, only god does that.

Every group is based somewhere. Suppose the people of Wisconsin asked why is group from DC butting in when they opened the first Planned Parenthood office? Location has nothing to do with it. It appears they help fund recall elections and would probably help fund a recall on the WI govenor.

toyotabedzrock this link for the recall is for the Democrats u got the wrong recall

I think Utah is a lovely state, but you will not see me visiting. I don't do inbreds.

That is true, even though the Mormons deny it.

Joseph Smith also said that black people were the spawn of the devil.

...Oh you have no idea just how much I agree with you! Here on planet Utah, there is NO separation of Church and State! Religious prejudice and and judgement are alive and well here! They have perfected the art of the "Snub" here in so many polite ways. If you are not behind the "Zion Cutain" , you are cast out... Just try starting a small business without the local Ward behind you, it is no picnic. I wonder what Jesus would think of this?

There was over 20-30 sites organizing to do just that and they have been taking names at protests.

Actually teachers in Wisconsin make a decent wage and they are willing to concede salary. This fight is not about salary. If teachers want to make what the "rich" people are making they picked the wrond profession. They knew full well what teacher wages were going into the job. There is a very short ceiling in the teaching profession (one principle per school for starters) and they know their increases will be tied to longevity and education, not initiative and creativity. Not a slam on teachers, my ex is one and she makes pretty decent money for working half the days of the year.

The garbage man is a necessity, and they make less than teachers where I live. Maybe the protestors should come here.

As for the Bush tax extension I'll have to remind you Pres. Obama could have put an end to that, so stop complaining about it. It looks silly.

I never said teachers didn't make enough, but that IMO they should make more. We need teachers to educate our youth. Are you trying to say the garbage man is more of a necessity than teachers?

You're right, Obama could have not conceded to the Republican temper tantrum, but he didn't, you're right. I wasn't defending Obama, but it WAS the Republicans who threatened that every other bill on the table would not be passed unless the Dems agreed to extend the tax cut. That speaks volumes about the Republicans when we're facing such huge deficits, I mean really, it's a small percentage and they threw a fit. THEY are the ones looking silly.

I'll quote you "underpaid". In my world that means didn't make enough. As long as it's legal, as long as it's above board, everyone should try to make as much as they can. God Bless the teachers if they can get their pay doubled in this, but they won't as I've said they've already agree to pay concessions.

Obama signed the bill allowing the extension BEFORE the Republican majority in the House. Tax increases at this time would be economic suicide.

Thats what we all want to know.

They claim to be funded by "Donations". If you visit their website, you'll notice their board of directors' photos displayed, but they use first names only - no last names.

Secrets are a tell .

The whole state isn't Mormon.In fact SLC isn't even half Mormon anymore (data from a few years ago).

My assessment as well , NEVER going back .

Tsk, Tsk. Your "Rove Badge" will be revoked.

It's amusing you think I'm a conservative Republican. I'm a fiscal conservative. These are the topics I've been participating.

If you where you would vote democrat. For over 30 years no republican has lowered the debt or balanced the federal budget.

Hey! It's not fair to fight with the truth!

Don't know Leen. But if that's the case, then shouldn't we initiate a nationwide movement to recall every Republican in office? How can we check that out?

Good idea CommonSense!

Thank you for your front line observations. You have provided some valuable insights for the rest of us.

You're welcome. This is very important to me and I want the true story out there.

What about all the union people who came from other states to protest in Wisconsin?

There's a big difference between people coming from other states to show SUPPORT for others than getting their ELECTED officials recalled. And if you don't see the difference, you are pretty stupid.

I'm amused at the insults being thrown my way. Do you have the ability to articulate your thoughts without an insult? One person on this board has already threatened me with physical harm. I figure he had nothing intelligent to add to the debate.

Sure I can, but when the statement in question is so fitting of the insult, what can one do?

The Tea Party brought in people from many states first. I had posted the link to a signup form they had on Google Docs. They had like 10+ buses from different states.

And they openly planed to cause a disruption to make unions look bad.

It was one insult, not insults.

I just figure if you have to insult you lack the ability to articulate your thoughts or youu've run out of thoughts.

I guess you'd be wrong.

Good question +^d

Any bets on the Koch brothers? They know how to keep their fingerprints off electoral tampering.

u can bet Mormons vote Republican. Isn't Romney a Mormon?

Yes, Romney is a Mormon.

Yes and he got elected Gov. in an overwhelmingly Dem state. Perhaps its more than about right or left, Dem or Repub.

Reid is a Mormon. So much for that theory! There are more elected Republicans than Democrats in Washington would be true.

Senators:

Robert Bennett (R-Utah) since 1993

Michael Crapo (R-Idaho) since 1999

Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) since 1977

Harry Reid (D-Nevada) since 1987

Gordon Smith (R-Oregon) since 1997

Representatives:

Robert Bishop (R-Utah) since 2003

Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa) since 1997

Christopher Cannon (R-Utah) since 1997

John Doolittle (R-California) since 1991

Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) since 2001

Dean Heller (R-Nevada) since 2007

Walter Herger (R-California) since 1987

James Matheson (D-Utah) since 2001

Howard McKeon (R-California) since 1993

Michael Simpson (R-Idaho) since 1999

Thomas Udall (D-New Mexico) since 1999

Do Mormon Politicians Vote as a Bloc?

Space limitations in this venue do not permit an exhaustive review and comparison of the voting records of the Senators and Representatives listed above. However, there is evidence (both empirical and rigorously academic) that the notion of bloc voting by the "Mormon contingent" in Congress is a myth.

Empirical Evidence of Political Independence

If these men thought and acted in lockstep and placed religious affiliation above all other concerns, one would expect them all to have enthusiastically supported Mitt Romney's presidential candidacy. Yet, only four of the sixteen men actually endorsed Romney. Some said it was simply too early in the race to endorse a specific candidate. Others, such as Sen. Gordon Smith, actively supported a different candidate (in Smith's case, John McCain.) There was certainly no united "Mormon front" behind Mitt Romney in Congress.

A Confirming Academic Study

The question of religious affiliation's effect on legislative voting has also been studied with academic rigor. A recent paper by Damon Cann of the Department of Political Science at the University of Georgia rigorously evaluated the extent to which religious identification influences the roll-call voting behavior of Mormon members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Cann noted that "the possibility for influence seems high in the Mormon case as Mormon citizens demonstrate high levels of support for pronounced church positions on ballot initiatives. However, a review of influences on legislative decision making shows that the theoretical rationale for religious influence on legislative roll-call voting is tenuous at best. Results showed that across a range of different issue areas, Mormon representatives are no more unified in their voting behavior than randomly selected sets of legislators."

Myth: Mormons in the USA all vote Republican.

FACT: The church hews to a strictly neutral position in partisan politics, consistently refusing to endorse any particular candidate or party in any race. It encourages members to be active in the political process and to vote according to their individual judgment and conscience. The church has publicly declared its official position on partisan political neutrality since the 1890s. The December 15, 2007, edition of The Washington Post, in an article entitled, "The Mormon Question", cited a poll finding that 53% of Mormons described themselves as Republican. The senior Democrat in Congress, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The press has quoted Senator Reid saying he thinks Democratic/Republican registration among church members is “fairly even”.

The far right would call Romney a RINO. He's a centrist. It's the only way to win elected office as a Republican in Massachusetts.

There are those wascally bogeymen again!

Wasn't it his Hotel chain that just now stopped showing porn videos.

I don't like Reid. I dunno how he got elected he can't publicly speak well.

Yes, I did hear this recently. Wonder why that didn't happen when he was running for the nomination in 2008? Guess he was still shooting for the moderate voters back then.

LOL, now I understand the insanity. Those elected officials listed above will believe anything.

You should be able to see that in the activity.

Correction foot in mouth. You only see those you follow,

I would have to check peoples user names wouldn't I?

I was wrong, you only see what the people you follow do.

I just added it to "Actual News" now I'll check if it says I added it.

No dice. It reads like you added it. I guess it's something to check.

Too bad people have to play that kind of game.

Yay, it moved back into the news category!

I think it only moves the url if it is alphabetically lower than the current category.

Well, we learned something. At least it can be fixed.