The Vacuous Accusation of Elitism : Dispatches from the Culture Wars

It seems to me that you have answered part of your question, with your other questions and statements.

While I grant you, that many on the far right don't truly know all that they are endorsing, and facilitating, which is implicit in your assertions, they none the less are participants in the actions and results perpetrated by the extreme activist right. Elite is a word I strive to avoid, because it is so subjective, and always dependent upon subject and context. In fact, I believe that most republicans don't understand what their party is and what it represents. It certainly is no longer conservative, by definitions other than political ideology. But the power sources of the "Republican force"; which screen themselves behind numerous splinter ideas and philosophy, thus obscuring the ultimate ulterior objective of those powers, are today, inextricably the warp of the party's weft. As such, we can only refer to them as a group, unless specifically identified as the corporate/republican, activist extreme right; which I often refer to.

I have recognized very few commenters herein who are keeping score for score's sake, alone. Most commenters herein, recognize the issues for what they individually are, but also recognize them as a part of a greater whole, an effort to entirely dominate; and ultimately supplant, government, for the explicit purpose of exploiting the people and the country. It is the collective perception of most commenters herein, that it is corporate America's; as characterized by their cooperation with the Republican party, effort to dominate and exploit the people and the country, for their own exclusive benefit, that both created and continue to perpetuate the national crisis that we are experiencing.

It's not about score keeping; as we have no billions to add up. It's about recreating a country and a government of the people, for the people and by the people! At the time this concept was penned, the constitution did not consider corporations to be people!

your last bit, what it's "about" is exactly what I was trying to get at.

i meant between us regular folk. obviously politicians and people with power (be it financial, religious, political) will try to keep a divide, they'll try and ration out the flocks so they have a group to lead. but amongst regular people why do we need to point fingers and classify each other as "us" or "them"

that's my point. we're all americans who should want the greater good of the country. not, "fuck you muslim. or abortion is wrong, bible says so, hence, you're evil. or i want to keep my tax dollars and not give it away to socialism you latte drinking bleeding heart."
-to which we retaliate with, "go read about your imaginary old man in the sky. or stop having guns redneck. or you don't like the prez cus he's black. or you inbred uneducated idiot."

subscribing to the idea of "elite" and the "rest of us" is stupid and counterproductive for this country. since, as you agree, there's no trophy in sight. and since we see the problem with people bringing up the "elitism" discussion we don't have to give it credence by making "look what THOSE people are saying about 'elitist' (which we know are really just smart, liberal minded people like us) they're SO stupid and they should be ridiculed."

that's what it seems like to me.

Gotcha now, and concur! You are right, it will help the conversation if we remember that we are all people underneath. In fact, I view the legislators who have been betraying us, as having largely been victimized into their actions by corrupting circumstances and conditions. Those who empower it all, with their money, are victims of their own human frailty, manifesting as greed. Will they hang on to their traditional ways all the way down, like monkeys do when they put they're hands into a jar to grasp something, and won't unclench their fists which prevents them from removing their hand from the jar, and therefore get caught by jar trappers? Possibly, in the same way that Qadaffi swears that he will die a martyr.

In the case of the corporate/ republican activist right, it is their actions, which are monstrously predatory and parasitic, that are being attacked. The Koch bros. have put themselves out there in a way to be personally identified for crimes against the people, in ways that even greater money has not. If you recall the Mellon-Scaife attack on Bill Clinton, that represents merely the tip of the iceberg of old Pittsburgh money that is allied with Koch Bros. interests in exploiting the people and the country, while promoting the corporate takeover of the world. In some ways, this silent money is more insidious because it's difficult to organize a public response to it's machinations.

Yes !

Thorough statement ! And +^d ! " CLASS WAR NOW " and "EAT THE RICH" will fit on a bumper sticker. Mine ; " Better DEAD than RED "-graphic of RED elephant charging a BLUE continental America map "shield" . ( something like that. )

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Perhaps you should. The writer is here is a scientist.

Get an education.

Also, why do you hate America?