PFC Manning Forced to Strip Naked

Please don't read their shit and think your have honest information. I have subscribed to their daily e-mail for the last 6 months and have yet to find one piece of completely honest reporting. They twist the titles and the narrative to fit the right wing Fox promoted reality.

I can really understand some of your posts better knowing that is where you have been getting some of your information. Not all of their links are bad, but many lead to total opinion.

I am not brainwashed by the source. I have posted things from CNN, Time and the Washington Post. Does this make me brainwashed? I posted something from GE owned msnbc. Does that make me left wing or corporatist? The article is factual in that it points out the excuse given by the Marines in charge of his detention. Fact is fact regardless of source and spin. Since I got voted down nine times for pointing out that this was the excuse they would use, I thought I would back it up.

All three Sources you cite are very questionable and more often then not support a pro-government bias. I did not call you brainwashed and MSNBC is not a lefty voice in the wilderness. Excuses are not facts they are opinion. A fact would be citing the commanding officers order. Let me see if I can hock you up with that information.
http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/2-24_Response_from_Secretary_of_the_Army...

From the CBS report................Manning was forced Wednesday night to sleep naked in his cell at the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Va., the Marines confirmed Friday. First Lt. Brian Villiard called it a "situationally driven" event, but would not elaborate on what led to the stripping of Manning, the Associated Press reports. The actions were described as "not punitive."

Your fact was in fact spin! It is everywhere though and I do not in anyway think less of anyone who thinks the spin is real. Finding truth, or whole truth is very often impossible due to personal time restraints and each of our own personal biases. I will try to be less confrontational when sharing my views on truthful news sites. As the old saying goes,"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Peace.

In your review of my source material you skipped the operative line:

"The circumstances required that his clothing be removed as a precaution to ensure that he didn't harm himself," Villiard said."

It's an interesting omission as one would have to skip over it to get to the part you find relevant.

That is a quote from the jailer. That is fact. There is no spin.

I am old enough to realize that facts can come from strange places. I like to read everything.

http://Newsmax.com

But 1st Lt. Brian Villiard said Barnes was striving to keep Manning safe, secure and able to stand trial.

"The circumstances required that his clothing be removed as a precaution to ensure that he didn't harm himself," Villiard said.

Villiard said privacy rules prevented him from discussing the circumstances that prompted the order but he added, "I can tell you that this was event-driven."

I had not read the article but now I have. That my friend is military spin. Complete justification with out suppling actual reasons. Whether or not this statement is true is unverifiable.

You are taking it out of context and the link you provided says the same thing. I am not saying Manning is suicidal. I previously stated that there could be only two excuses the "authorities" give for keeping him in that condition. I quoted one of the jailers, the same one Congressman K cited, as proof of their mentality.

My bad. I did not realize your point. Obviously you are well aware of information control. It was News Max that triggered my response because I have been following their particular brand of news reporting. The worst I have seen so far is World Net Daily. I am glad we played this out though. I have far greater respect for your comments now and look forward to hearing your thoughts in the future!

I am not sure of your browser, but I use Chrome by Google and a neat little add on called "AdSweep". Mozilla Firefox browser has a similar one called "AdBlock". They almost completely eliminate the painfully annoying Ads. Cheers.

And yet, W.M., my friend, when others in the military do not exercise individual judgement when dealing with human rights issues, they can be court martialed. If a soldier is told to commit a human rights violation, that he knows it's wrong, but does it anyway, he can be prosecuted. in this case, Manning learned that the entire country was being abused, lied to and cheated. Where do we draw that line between treason of one's country, and treason of military code? Which one should defer to the other?

Give me liberty or give me death?

Well it looks like He May Die for His cause. Hope He is Happy.

Unless we storm the Bastille now???

Umm yea! I don't think thats going to happen.

the biggest problem is that we have people in our country who have a lack of ethics... they proceed to treat others as less than human because of the faith that their actions are justified.

if everyone felt that its not ok to treat others like shit under any circumstance then we would have a different world... but that's Utopian at best...

i believe, or at least hope, that his position is much like mine.. the guy broke laws, regardless of how well meaning. that is what makes sacrifice for your beliefs despite the cost so noble. if they gave you ice cream for it everyone would have the courage of their convictions. except the lactose intolerant i guess.

Crickets, that's all.

They did just that for wall street whistle blowers.

Only in places like Iran & China do they punish whistle blowers.

The Egyptian and Tunisian Revolutions would not have happened without him.

therrrr u go again! u crazy bat.. lmao

Locked naked in a cell, I doubt he's getting many of the supportive messages.

I've signed it.

You should post the petition as a seperate link so you can get more current members to show their support for Manning.

Good idea. I already borrowed it from another post where I SIGNED IT.

Yep . . . .hence ; "You will never TAKE ME ALIVE copper . . . . rat tatatatatatatatatatat " !
HAS its psychological impetus !!!

+^d

Really? How much time have you done there missy?

i did 4 years on a 7 in stgu. it happens.

Lol, none.

Am not a woman btw, my avatar is of my late & great best friend.

condolances. and yeah my sister was getting beat by her ex, a county sheriff who i drove across state lines to hit with a baseball bat. did the crime did the time its all about courage of convictions.

good advice, but probably not so enjoyable in a concrete cell.

really? that's your professional opinion? knowing very well this kid is there for bullshit reasons... locked up in a cell that's probably cold as shit? and lay in a metal bed for 7 hours naked? really, just rolled with it huh? yeah, makes sense.

Im from Montana so the cold don't kill me, the lowest they can let the temperature go is around 40 degrees. It could be uncomfortable but not fatal. Besides didnt say anything about taking his blanky away. Look all im saying is naked time is not the worst thing that could happen.

I think the key words here are made to stand naked. That implies force threats of harm.

Not everyone can deal with the cold Lwarrior. I like your honesty and the comments you make on this site, but let's be realistic here for a second and understand not everyone can deal with the cold and the bullshit this kid is going through!

Please, be realistic next time.

Isnt that the point though, its just bullshit. They are just trying to rile and ruffle him. He knew when he did this shit would hit the fan, I love him for doing it, but he has to know it wasnt going to go well and to be honest we should be thankful he just has to stand around naked for a couple of hours. There are those who endure much worse, for much less.

What about standing at attention outside your cell after having been in isolation for months on end?

This attitude is why this country is turning into what it is now. You are taking people for granted, unwilling to go to there defense. This is what allows others to control society.

Very well said. +^'d

Royally!!

Excellent! +^d!

Lol! Isn't he in solitary confinement?

Oh you are off into yourself aren't you there studly

Sounds like you've had some training in this area.

It could also be interpreted that by leaking the information he was upholding his oath to save his fellow comrades from death based on lies.

I'd have to say it's about 10 years too late for that.
I don't believe these oaths are written for individual interpretation.
Like I said, I'm not sure where I stand on this particular issue, but for some reason I fail to see the heroics through the lens of personal integrity.
I am fully prepared to change my stance and in the meantime Private Manning should not be treated maliciously or subject to any punishment without a full and impartial hearing.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

You made your point and it is well taken.

Thank you.

You were right. This was a debate worth watching. I'd like to now more about the DOHA Debates. Very intelligent panel for the most part and very intelligent and diverse audience.
I'd recommend watching this to everyone. Thanks for the introduction to something new and informative.
I do feel the Pro Wikileaks side of the panel was the stronger all around, but that's my opinion.

I agree about the stronger side. I kind of felt the other side was indefensible though; trying to use arguments with no actual data or evidence to back it up. Here is another interesting tidbit from this mornings news....
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/4/headlines#14

He deserves fair representation.
to single this man out for punishment not specifically doled out as a result of a hearing under The Uniform Code of Military Justice is flat out wrong.
Thanks for you insights cruzankenny. +^d!

Wonderfully stated. +^'d

Can you send America the truth in broadcasting law that you have in Canada? That would clear up a whole lot of this shit.

name one person he's hurt. name one person damaged by the INFORMATION he showed the public proving the US gov had been commiting war crimes left and right.

Wow, I completely missed that "proven guilty" thing you must have a mainline to -- please provide us all a link so we can stop talking about this.

why did you get voted down for asking that question?

I have no idea.

Yes, WIKILEAKS has released some funds for the defense of Bradly Manning; $15,100 (£9,500).
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/01/13-6

Thank you for that info.

Your Welcome.

So their not worried he'll kill himself after 5 am...??

Maybe they have more people on duty then. I don't know. There are only two reasons to remove his clothing 1) as an act of psychological torture or 2) to prevent him from using anything to kill himself. I don't know what the rationale is in this case. Toyotabedzrock knows much about this particular case. Perhaps he could weigh in.........

ya but its an established pattern at this point that they keep amping up the psychological warfare on Manning in an attempt to push him over the edge.

which in turn are part of setting him up for suicide, or something that might look like a suicide.

I am not saying he wants to kill himself. I have no idea what his mental state is. I am saying "suicide watch" is one of two routine excuses the jailers will "cite" to explain their actions.

Thank you for the info.

That makes some sense. I read that the prosecution is not going to seek the death penalty.

Here are the marine jailers using the suicide tactic as a reason:

http://www.newsmax.com/US/WikiLeaksArmyPrivate/2011/03/04/id/388427

He is not being searched for his own safety or the safety of the staff when forced to strip naked and stay that way all night. What kind of a human being defends that type of action?

Searched and subsequently isolated does not mean left naked for hours. Once it has been determined that the detainee possesses nothing harmful to staff, there is no reason to leave him naked.