CAIR, ACLU suing the FBI for spying and alleged constitutional violations

It must be killing you to see Muslims stand up to being infiltrated and set up by the FBI, which YOU are in favor of from what I recall.

im in favor of all guilty parties, what ever religion they may be being infiltrated.
i love the idea of the stereotype "muslims are defacto terrorists" is being challenged.not only in the theater of public opinion, but legaly.
and i especialy love that it is, yet again, just like with civil rights, jewish organizations leading the charge for rightious equality.
just like when they defend the rights of muslim woman to wear hijabs.

it spits in the face of all wich you claim to be true about jews and jewish organizations.it counters in reality that wich you can only theorize.

I've never claimed that the ACLU are the Jewish boogieman. Again, just more of your lies saying that I said something that I never said.

The ACLU does both stuff I agree with and stuff I don't agree with.

The point of this is the infiltration of a community, the entrapment of mostly innocent people, which is a policy that you agree with, the staged terrorism where the FBI provides provides fake bombs to peopel that they are setting up, and the need by the FBI to keep up the "Muslims are the enemy of America" fiction, which is a media fiction.

im fairly certain at some point, along with the b'nai brith's and aipac you placed the aclu as a jewish organization more interested with israeli agendas than american ones.but of all the endevours i could fill my time with, searching for proof of this isnt worth it.if you didnt say it than so be it.

i never agreed with entrapment of innocent people.that is your assertion.as far as im concerned the fbi can distribute bombs to everyone and it wouldnt be entrapment cuz it is the use of them that is the crime in question.not the possesion of them as they are non functioning.

the thing is, they have caught a bunch of people using this method.quite simply those who are not terrorists upon recieving bombs arent arrested as they dont use them.it is only those who would use them, thus guilty of a crime on thier own, who are arrested.

i asked before and ill ask again.in regards to your "entrapment" theory, what is the alternative?
what is the thing that the fbi are supposed to be doing, in order to protect us and fullfill thier duty, that they are not?
what is the alternative?

An easy alternative to entrapment would be for the FBI to not make bombs for Muslims, however I don't think that is the question you are asking.

What I think you are really trying to ask here is "what is a solution to the Muslim terrorism problem", which is absolutely proven to be a media fiction.

Because the illusion is fading is precisely why the FBI needs to go to such lengths to concoct and stage these fake terrorist entrapment cases.

I've never said that the ACLU are the Jewish boogiemen. As far as I know, they have not been caught spying like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) or the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) have.

i dont think we have a muslim terrorism problem.we have a terrorism problem period.

as i said before i could be wrong with the aclu accusation.it is quite possible i confused the adl with the aclu in regards to who you think is a boogeyman.both are insane so i wouldnt differentiate.

terrorism is a real threat.the towers did get hit.they got hit in the 90s as well.oklahoma city did happen.our embassies do get blown up and so on.

so i ask, if this is a reality, wich it is, what are those whos job it is to protect us from such things happeneing, to do if thier present means doesnt suite you.im all ears.show me the tactic they are supposed to employ that is more just than the one they are presently employing.

No we have a problem with the mainstream media, who creates the issue of terrorism, Muslim or otherwise, as our reality.

Americans have a much greater chance from being killed from car accidents or even from prescription drugs than terrorism. But you don't see media hype over that.

The story of 19 Arab highjackers on 9/11 destroying the three massive skycrapers is pure fiction, and we've been through this over and over.

Oklahoma City bombing is a highly questionable event as well, whereas just like 9/11, there were lots of original reports of additional explosions that destroyed Murrah Building.

It just so happens that the media potrays the issue of terrorism as an Arab, or Muslim problem, because it promotes the war agenda in the Middle East, and a white terrorist problem here in the "homeland" because the "terrorists" are armed, mostly white Americans who are growing sick of being fleeced by Wall Street.

just as it is crazy to believe terrorism and islam is one in the same, so is it to think that terrorism doesnt exist cuz media has a field day with it.
terrorism certainly exists as a tactic, and has been employed by all peoples at various times through out history.the modern era offers no cure for this, so as long as human beings are subject to fear, terrorism certainly exists.

the media will hype what ever sells.selling fear has been a staple of our media for ever.from all native americans being blood thirsty savages, to what is on your dinner plate is killing you.did you miss y2k or something?

this isnt all about 9-11.it is about our embassies getting blown up.our monuments being attacked.the munich and atlanta olympics.mcviegh.the shoe idiot and the underwear idiot.the time square idiot.the unabomber.and so on.

the media will sell what ever we want to buy.it was the savage native americans, then it was the criminal rapest blacks, and your favorite the financial jew wizard.a myriad of real issues should be covered by our media and seldom is.while clinton had our troops bombing the shit out of god knows how many regions we were obsessed on his blowjob fetish's.

the link between islam and the present terrorist threat that we face isnt entirely ficticious despite our media not showing it accurately.to ignore it is just as absurd as it is to focus soley on it.

More people in America die from having allergic reactions from eating peanuts and taking prescription drugs than terrorism.

Wanna stop young Muslim men from blowing stuff up?

Have the FBI stop recruiting them, paying their living expenses and building bombs for them.

and despite diamonds being no more valuable in reality than any other rock you may come across, women still require it for marraige.
despite the reality that toilet paper posses a greater value than our cotton blend currency, we still wipe our ass's with it and would see using dollars as rediculous.

ok so the fbi have been responsable for evey act of terrorism?really?
the fbi funded the munich olympics?
the fbi was behind all the plane highjackings in the 80s and embassy explosions in the 90s?

at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, regardless of all circumstances, thier are people who will kill others and those who recognize it as a paramount wrong not to be done.it doesnt matter if the fbi were to drive me to the damn target, with a suitcase of money and a lifetime supply of hot pussy.im still not blowing people up.

we have gone over this again and again.you cant figure out wich crazy fuck is just talking shit and wich one is going to follow through, so this is the only way to both have a terrorist commit the crime and not allow society to suffer to prove that they would do it.come up with an equaly or more effective method of weeding out those who would cause the innocent harm and you got it.until then this is what we have.

arent you the same person who took such extreme offense to the idea that based on what you posted you might kill people one day?i mean if you are so sure, as you have stated, that you wouldnt ever.how is it also in your mind, that good decent innocent faithfull muslims could be brought to kill via fbi creating the circumstances?i mean either you couldnt kill cuz you are just a superior human being and muslims arent according to you position.or anyone could be brought to terrorism from just the support of the fbi.wich would mean you are capable of killing by your own standards.

wch is it.are you a killer in the making just waiting for someone to give you the materials and a target?or are you superior and the poor inferior muslims just cant help themselves like you can?

tldr and what I tried to read didn't make any sense...as usual

I didn't say that the FBI was behind the all terrorist bombings.

The FBI is a large agency, but certainly the agency loses credibility when the have agents and informants on the payroll who go around organizing neo-nazi marches, building bombs for Muslims and hiring fake white supremacist radio hosts.

The FBI doesn't benefit from these shennanigans, so who benefits from having neo-nazis and Muslims running around causing trouble?

so fbi exploitation of nazis means that no nazis exist?really?this is plausable in your mind?
and who the fuck thinks a white supremacist threat exists?really?

i mean we are on a open source media site right here, where any and all suppoositions have a place to be distributed, and even here thier arent any "look at what the nazis are up to" stories.
not on the left wing media.
not on the right.
wtf?

um we, the people benefit from this.that is the whole purpose behind it.it isnt a capitalist venture.thier are no stock holders to appease.
we the citizenry benefit from the fbi doing all this shit.

if the fbi doesnt do sting operations, those who would blow shit up only have actual terrorists to conspire with.personaly i prefer them to conspire with our guys.a lot less messy that way.
i like my jihadis to have bombs that dont go boom.

but to each thier own

Stop with your insane, off-topic psycho-babble and answer the very simple and direct question:

Who benefits from having fake white supremacists, fake Nazis and fake Muslim terrorists running around the US causing trouble?

it isnt off topic psycho babble, as you, on this very thread posed the idea that the cause of much of the terrorists the fbi has caught, were the fbi themselves.it is your assertion that the fbi are causing these people to commit the crimes they are being arrested for.so being as you made a large part of the topic under discussion, the idea that the ownership of murder, isnt exclusive to the murderer.and that non murders can be easily manipulated into murdering., im asking in light of your present position how it applies to an argument we are already having.an argument wich in its basis is identical to the basis of your current position.it is directly on topic.the topic you have outlined.

instead of just arguing for the sake of it, im looking to reach a resolution of some sort.in the interest of mutual understanding im asking you to explain how an accusation that you could be capable of murder is an offensive impossibility, while this does not apply to anyone else.im simply asking you, within the subject matter you have posed, how these opposing positions can both be accurate to you.im simply asking you to explain so that i can understand that wich i presently clearly dont.

i mean you can flag all day long, but it doesnt change the reality that this is a question that for some reason you cant answer.you know it isnt against any law to be wrong.but i can keep it up as long as you can.id prefer to move on and not play a childish game of obfuscation.but its up to you.

the creation of fake white supremacists,fake nazis,and fake muslim terrorists benefit those who these fore mentioned groups target.
just like cops put out female cops as fake prostitutes, or fake drug dealers,or fake fences of all sorts,or fake victims.it is called a sting operation.a tool used to great effect and accuracy in combating and preventing crimes of all sorts.it is a means to bring the criminal element to them.saving the taxpayer a rediculous amount of money.and the public at large from what ever threat these criminals pose.

what trouble have the fake terrorists caused? what trouble do you speak of?