Thanks For The Bailout Suckers; GM to invest extra $540 million in Mexico to build motors

You bet it's time to buy US made goods. As local as possible. But how could we know how much of something is made here? Lots of parts of everything are outsourced. I'd pay more to buy things that were more local, even though way to much of everyone's money is flowing upstairs, who are not part of my "local."

NAFTA was GHW Bush's baby. Clinton signed it in period. GM was bailed out to save American joibs. They have paid most of it back and we still have those jobs. If those companies failed it would have landed us in a deep depression. The problem is they need to be broken up so they aren't too big to fail, because they are back doing the same shit. Not the auto manufacturing companies, the banks and Wall Street.

I guess after Dad Bush left office he rounded up a Democratic majority Congress, Clinton and held them at gunpoint to sign. The Republican controlled Congress hadn't been sworn in yet.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but NAFTA was GHW brain child. Clinton signed it into law. Which makes him as big a jerk as old man Bush.

Thank you. Bailout also saved Michigan and over 1 million jobs.

That is hard to do since the auto building business is such an international venture. There is a Nissan Plant near my home that employs mostly Tennesseans and something like 80% of the parts they use are made in America. Does this qualify them as an American made auto?

The injection molded dashboard in almost every American car was made in Canada. I'm not sure about now but several years ago the motors for the Chevy S-10 were all made in Japan by Isuzu Motors.

I personally drive a Korean made Hyundai for several reasons, I like the gas mileage, I love the warranty and the sticker price was affordable. I am retired on a fixed income and will consider an American made car when one is made that I can afford.

That's why I suggest 'cottage' industries for small parts and aftermarket parts for existing vehicles. I've never held British car maker's as an example of a good product, but most of their accessory parts were 'farmed' out to small machine shops.
Things like dashboards seem made for this method.

Nissan may not be considered an American car, but American workers build them, most parts are made by American workers. I don't care what kind of car as long as our workers make them.

Interesting train of thought.

If we didn't rape Mexico of her labor and natural resources we wouldn't have the illegal immigration problem.

Consider a company that accepts, no 'begs' for, taxpayer bailout money; which in turn, invests the profit made as a direct result of no interest loans of our money in another countries economy and jobs.
I say buy USA and only Made in USA.
If we as taxpayers own any portion of GM as a result of the TARP funds, get to the root of this and sell off our stock or use our position to bring all foreign plants home.
Our only vote now is our wallets. Forget China, the world right now rides on our willingness to spend money on their products.

If your VW engine was like many, set sideways in the engine compartment, it could have thrown a rod back through your head. Oops, looks like it turned ya into a PUMPKIN INSTEAD. My since condolences to your wife and kids who walk beside you in shame through the city squares.

$540,000,000.00 eh? Looks like extortion payola money => stop the drugs by giving them US jobs. $540 million is chump change for General Motors because they have been selling many thousands of cars on American soil. More than Ford.

Answer? Start a new car company => Amero+|+US. That's what they appear to be daring us slobs to do. But we won't because hahaha "the love of the greater number has cooled off" aka we don't trust each other. Methinks we're jammed in like sheep, just a guess.

The Melting Pot hates the cans!!!!!!!

The Melting Pot hates the cans!!!!!!!

Amen to that! A more apt term I have not heard as of late. Although I tend to be more of an optimist than may be healthy at times. These short burst of realism from someone who is aptly named GravityMan ....well, I owe ya a reply and thanks. :)

hehehe Without Steve Martin and his crazy movie lines life is... unthinkable. :)

I say we start a company from scratch. Don't spend our cash during the elections on politicians. Coordinate and open a new automobile company from scratch, with all aspects held to the finest quality.
Make it a not for profit publicly owned company, pay the Union assemblers a fair wage, all parts making could be farmed out cottage industries using small US machine shops.
Then sell the car at cost plus enough for R&D. Their are enough unemployed and new engineers as well as unemployed auto industry workers. For those cars already made, start reverse engineering and making Made in USA aftermarket parts, better than the originals.

I'm with you, Brother!!

Then I suggest we build the factory as close as we can beside the other car companies so that when they hit us they also catch fire and BURN BABY BURN. Let's all pack up and move to Detroit City. They have pretty little women there I have heard.

Oops, Wait. AW Rats. That was Kansas City. Welp, Detroit has lots of abandoned buildings and apartment houses that can all be purchased dirt cheap. Forget the women. Wear monk outfits for the first two years.

I can't move to Detroit but my engine designs can get there via Go To Meeting.

I am very serious about this. There is no real advantage to having an existing operating plant. As Ford proved years ago - by building a state of the art plant in Brazil!
We could invest in depressed areas like Detroit. Then utilizing Cad-Cam, new composites, brilliant engineers and hardworking US taxpayers with drive and fortitude this could be the start of something big.
Let the corporations buy their politicians,(It's because they don't want to compete on a level playing field they do it in the first place), and we'll build our country.

All ya have to do is run an ad in Michigan you'd have all the gifted employees you need glad to have a job. Pay everybody a low starting wage but make a lucrative bonus for after you succeed. Or offer a free apartment or something besides straight cash.

You know, the Mack truck people used to have a good idea of making the engines run in a narrow rpm range. That could be scaled down to car size and pop in that newfangled transmission I've read about, the one doesn't have gears like all the others.

The Mack bulldog would like that.

I think Tesla Motors uses that transmission in their electric roadster.

These are great 'micro' ideas, but I'm behind a 'macro' approach at this stage.
Setting up the necessary logistics behind performing and creating this entity.
Instead of reinventing the wheel, maybe there's an organization that has developed a business model already. I know I'm going to devote time, effort and money into finding out.

If you build an engine that re-cleans it's own engine oil they will come. You will dominate your enemies and drive them before you and hear the lamentation of their women!!!

There's a great trucking company located in Pulaski Virginia. They probably haver plenty of adjoining land. If Detroit turns out to be too expensive.

My ideas may be way too micro for you. Proceed best you can. There's much better people out there than this highschool graduate!

Yeah, Just pop that right in there, I'm very sure it will meet air quality standards etc. Get REAL!

Thanks for telling me how wrong I surely must be. I will stop thinking immediately, and in the future will consult you first and obtain permission to post.

Get Real? Okay. Is there anything more real than air and water? Without them life stops, your life stops, real. As in Real Fast you would be dust.

I was planning the engine to blow the air standards away. The engine would first fill with steam, creating a low pressure in the cylinder => a semi-vacuum. Then a drop of compressed air is injected into that SEMI-VACUUM so that the single drop of liquid air instantly EXPLODES from its 4,361 pounds per square inch.

Slamming the piston head with a Bible thumper's Bible, without combustion, an explosion without any pollutants produced at all.

But as I was dispatched to be quiet ~since my ideas were "micro"~ I stopped writing. Then you came in insinuating I was an idiot without any brains, without knowing such an EPA-burying engine is possible. Nice.

You can have a horsepower-blowing engine running on properly-combined air and water (in the steam pre-kicker) behind that bulldog. But first we need a BUSINESS MODEL, to hell with the engine puff puff blow your nose NOW. hahaha You guys kill me.

Watch Out! More REAL incoming!

And when the drop of liquid air super cold at minus 320 degrees begins blasting into expansion the COLD makes the H2O in the steam COLLAPSE IN SIZE, making even MORE VACUUM **** for the decompressing air to explode into **** in an INSTANT-IN-TIME EXPLOSION. => Horsepower is calculated including a time variable, and since NO TIME of any significance is elapsing in this explosion it means HORSEPOWER GOES OFF THE SCALE.

What that means? It means a very tiny amount of steam and air need be produced to make this natural combined "fuel".

Or, it could also mean is that a JW who studies and knows Bible Prophecies isn't a Physics retard (like you would like all Bible believers on Earth to be) who doesn't care about his fellow sojourners on Planet Earth. => Real is more real than you know. Real is the Paradise coming. Let me throw out a simple question. I have been on disability 21 years so my influence with bankers is lacking, but I've been public publishing this engine since 2003. WHO'S THE RETARDS FOR NOT RUNNING THE BALL I LAUNCHED? =>

Well, since the country has been cannon-loaded with people like YOU turned against the Bible, and against God many times also, then I was publishing to a country full of disbeliever retards.Your great achievement so far in rejecting my miracle-class car engine has been the BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf of Mexico near destruction of the planet. =>

WHO'S THE RETARDS FOR NOT RUNNING THE BALL I LAUNCHED?
WHO'S THE RETARDS FOR NOT RUNNING THE BALL I LAUNCHED?
WHO'S THE RETARDS FOR NOT RUNNING THE BALL I LAUNCHED? =>

ATHEISTS? Atheists are a minority. The answer goes much deeper than that. In 1914 a time period in the Bible mentioned by Jesus found at Luke 21 vs 24 called the "times of the nations" expired. That year had been a very peace-filled summer. WHY? Because Satan and his demons were not here! They had left, and people felt a great peace. WHERE DID THE DEMON ANGELS GO? They were in battle with Christ Jesus in heaven so their influence here disappeared. They lost the battle recorded at Revelation Ch. 12 in detail telling they were thrown down here and trapped, no longer having access to heaven. WHAT ELSE HAPPENED? Jesus was sitting on his throne and ruling over the kingdom of God.

=> But the Bible writer John left something out. =>

When Satan found himself trapped here he also set up a kingdom to rule mankind! WHAT DID HE DO? Well, he did something very similar to what Jesus was doing => Satan began giving certain chosen men insights into the future what they were to do. And those men were watching for me well in advance of 2003. They knew I would be inspired to make a number of really great NON-EMISSIONS ENGINES THAT WOULD GIVE GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST AND PEACE AMONG ALL MEN => IF THEY BUT LISTENED TO THAT ONE MAN. =>

So they started laying traps for me to stop me. They began making more people bipolar nuts since I would be bipolar, to cast doubt on "the crazy man" that he could design a real engine of such a magnificent calibre. There were other traps but basically they all were put in place against me BEFORE I FIXED THE ENGINES. =>

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? They are the Anti-Christ except another trap was also being laid too, that all the major religions would be misleading people looking for a SINGLE ONE MAN to be the Anti-Christ when in fact it is this GROUP OF MEN who make a Group Political Anti-Christ, but when the "religions" (primarily Catholic & Protestant) declared their one man Anti-Christ theology what they were really accomplishing was laying a groundwork and a very solid foundation of hatred towards ANY ONE MAN LIKE ME so when I did come along I would be automatically discounted on the level of a HERETIC. =>

So that people would automatically cry foul to any one man. You aren't really living under the US government now because it is being run by Satan's kingdom of men having great knowledge above the rest of you and also above me. But, you refuse to admit it. You keep thinking you can write your congressmen and get action, initiate changes, >>>>>

You assume they have to listen to you but that's wrong too. They listen to their children's heart still beating and they want their children alive tomorrow, probably even promised a great reward will be given them and their families, a protection promise even Obama did not resist. =>

Your crummy little needs, your children not being correctly taught, your puny cries of your State and Local desires going unfulfilled, your need for health care and dental care and care taken of your elderly and sick, your needing jobs and housing and decent standards of learning~teaching, decent standards of living, NONE OF THAT AMOUNTS TO THE VALUE OF YOUR LAST TOILET VISIT.

>>> The End is Extra Near. Very Extra. It is going to get MUCH, MUCH WORSE. Beg the Master Christ Jesus, God's only-begotten and spirit-anointed son and now reigning king, to find you and bring you into our Kingdom Hall flock. You have been woefully misinformed => Jehovah's Witnesses are not the bad guys. We have been given Bible Truth handed us from our kingdom just like the real bad guys have received insights from their Satan.

AND ALL THE OTHER "CHRISTIAN" RELIGIONS? All of them refused to line up so Jesus dropped them all -Catholics and Protestants- from the roster in 1914. => Join us or you're toast along with those false religions.

Your crummy little needs, your children not being correctly taught, your puny cries of your State and Local desires going unfulfilled, your need for health care and dental care and care taken of your elderly and sick, your needing jobs and housing and decent standards of learning~teaching, decent standards of living,
NONE OF THAT AMOUNTS TO THE VALUE OF YOUR LAST TOILET VISIT.

">>> The End is Extra Near. Very Extra. It is going to get MUCH, MUCH WORSE. Beg the Master Christ Jesus, God's only-begotten and spirit-anointed son and now reigning king, to find you and bring you into our Kingdom Hall flock. You have been woefully misinformed => Jehovah's Witnesses are not the bad guys. We have been given Bible Truth handed us from our kingdom just like the real bad guys have received insights from their Satan."

I thought for sure it was supposed to happen when evil people tried to send a man into outer space. I seem to recall a JW aquaintence saying God would never allow that event to happen. If the end leaves all those dead people laying around, I don't want to survive, you can have it all.

That was a long time ago. We are told not to speculate like that. Perhaps your acquaintance didn't get that memo.

Yes, it's unfortunate to be all those many dead people but well, in order to start over you have to really Start Over. And the only way to have a peace-filled World is to have one single religion worshiping the one God.

If we aren't that true, Blessed by God religion then SOMEBODY IS.

You are not alone. Many people, all they need is to find that ONE COMMENT "somebody said" or something they did 50 years ago and they drag that around for the rest of their lives to justify themselves not moving off the can. Maybe running into me was something you needed, a loose string you needed to re-visit and resolve.

I certainly would hate to look in the mirror and see QUITTER all the time. A person should have more. Being future bird food after Armageddon doesn't have to be. haha Someone like you sees a line on the ground you know you have to step across it. Ir beckons you and dares you.

You're a giant killer. I recognize you easily.

As for men flying into Outer Space well, a few of us have, and one thing I have seen become painfully clear is how Satan dangles space flight like a carrot in everybody's face nyah nyah nyah na nah you can't have it. The bad guys control who is allowed to go into space.

You may not know this but there's a way, discovered by Nikolai Tesla, a drive system that lifts people gently off the ground. No bone-crushing involved, no needing to be YOUNG and in super health. I believe they have had a system that would lift old people into space by the DROVES and gently.

They hoard it to themselves. It makes a great carrot to insult people with.

In the Fall of 2007 while surfing the Internet I came across Tesla's last papers and read about his anti-gravity system, and also some other stuff too, and by that night Jehovah blessed me to understand his system. He used a lightning drive. Not many people would have understood what he did, but I did because in 1989 I came to understand how to power this planet with its abundant lightning.

Another system I also had that day & into the night was truly Glorious, a system for using the oceans combined with a new type of solar power to get water and electricity delivered into the deep continents. You should re-consider. The future is going to be AWESOME living in the light and favor of such a God who made this planet in such a marvelous way.

You are failing to understand. Once the corporations saw America was being targeted by terrorists they did the logical thing and put distance between themselves and the next Ground Zero.

Uh, where we are right now. They went and made peace. We stood our ground, waving flags.

Now you're up to speed. They made peace with the ones they expect to win. Big corporations aren't run by Dummies.

Yes, and so few know it was the brain child of GHWB that put it to place but Clinton put the last nail in it.
Should call this United States of America, United Sates of Corporations.

Kudos, voted up!

Politics is all about posturing to bate and switch the public. We live in this artificial world created by PR firms. It's like playing music to the cows moving down the line to the slaughter. Most recent swindles are the gas price increases and the doubling of food prices (food prices didn't seem to rise that much when gas was $5/gal not to long ago). All created by corporate and banking scum. It is kinda ironic that our Arab brothers have been gouging on oil prices and the oil price increase is being proffered as the reason for the rise in the food prices which is the main reason our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters are going off the rails and finally pushed so far that they are actually overthrowing their governments. Next week in Mecca. Let the Bush buddy Saudis feel the sting of consequence for their greed and stupidity. Meanwhile NAFTA and globalization are taking their toll. Can't "Buy American" cause we ain't making it here anymore. And since we are essentially post industrial and mainly service credit, we are building and living in a house of cards. Oh, and by the way, I read that Iceland's economy is recovering and they chose not to bail out the banks. Good listen is http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2011/02/28/the-scapgoat-rene-girards-anthropolo... Definite sign of intelligent life.

Hmm, that's too many hurdles to jump. Slap an extra Sales Tax on foreign company products to cover our health care (pay directly into healthcare) That has meat on the bones. Your tariff way there's too many "middle men" who would lay their hands into it.

Buying their products would then be granting
ALL US CITIZENS A HEFTY SLICE OF THEIR PIE.

United States of China

a flat tax would reek of protectionism and seriously injure relations with exporting countries(You don't wanna piss off Germany ;)).

A much more fair approach would be taxing the individual reasons why production is so much cheaper. If there are legitimate reasons like closeness to natural resources, then the cheaper production is a natural part of capitalism.
But if the reasons violate human rights or other common laws like violence against animals and child labour they should be heavily taxed.
It'd be difficult but also fair.

Stay out of WalMart and if you can't buy American don't buy.

Tariffs worked very well for years and will again if implemented.

I'm not talking about taxing the Hell out of products made by foreign companies. I'm talking about taxing the double Hell out of American companies that set up shop in foreign countries and then ship the crap back to us. Did your fifty dollar Levis drop in price when they started making them in Mexico? No, they just don't fit right anymore.

Forget tariffs, just make sure the US builds a better product. I buy all my tools made in the US from a company that searchers for the best and it pays off in the long run.

Tools? You didn't say you had TOOLS. Are you aware that Detroit has a consortium headed by the actor Jeff Daniels (okay, spokesperson) and they give MANY INCENTIVES and ASSISTANCE to new startups?

Are you absolutely sure your tools are made here?

My tools are high quality hand tools. I was using that as an example. Although there are American Manufacturers with the tools or know-how to build them.
I like what I know of Jeff Daniels.

Not going to happen until we have public funding of elections. All that can afford to run presently are corporate whores. The minute they get elected they start pandering to the corporations for money for the next election.

i'm not familiar with Breitbart
do they put out bad news

Shirley Sherrod story ring a bell. You remember the black woman in the Dept of Agriculture who was railroaded out because of the distorted half-truth video this clown posted.

don't know why someone voted you down for answering a question but i voted you back up
thanks

I've made enemies in here recently. Especially Bible thumpers. Thanks for the corrective action anyway

If this is the same Andrew Breitbart who reported on this story who was involved in the Shirley Sherrod fiasco then, Breitbart isn't very credible.

And I scoured the webspehere and couldn't find any real MSM reporting on this story.

Hi Bambuu. It is and I did the same as you.
I could not find one source on the web from a credible news source.

That's right humorous. YOU voted me down LIKE CRAZY. How about you tell the TRUTH? Ever think of that?

So, you've decided to be a storyteller eh? Your choice man.

Ford?

Ford didn't need a bailout!

That's what I am buying.

american products are a dying breed most things are made in china

Yes, but if they were taxed extra at the WalMart checkout lanes all US citizens would be benefiting just like the products had been made here in the United States!

While we sit home watching telebishun.

Their workers do the Work.

Oh Waiter! Yes Mr. Benny? Another High Gravity lager from the Wisconsin brewery please, yes, Steel Reserve, best beer sold today => US worker beer. Thanks Waiter! Yessir Mr. Benny!

Vehicles aren't.

Solved that already. See my other posts this page.

Across-the-board checkout lane surcharge, feeding directly into healthcare. You're welcome! That way every time we BUY FOREIGN a slice of delicious THEIR~WORKER PIE gets slabbed on the American's plate.

You're welcome again. Enjoy your full plate!

wonder why they aren't called general engines instead
i guess GE was already taken

from Merriam-Webster:

Definition of MOTOR

1: one that imparts motion; specifically : prime mover
2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as
a : a small compact engine
b : internal combustion engine; especially : a gasoline engine
c : a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into mechanical energy
3: motor vehicle; especially : automobile

Aside from that, whatever GM or MLC received from the government for a bailout and is used outside the country should be repaid to the Treasury. That won't happen of course because the American middle class has not been sufficiently bled to death. There still appears to be some live left in Wisconsin.