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Big Business to Congress: How about a tax holiday?

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What politician would vote against a trillion-dollar economic stimulus plan at little cost to taxpayers?

Probably not too many.


And that's just how a group of multinational tech, drug and energy companies are framing the pitch as they prepare to launch a coordinated campaign on Capitol Hill for a temporary tax break on overseas profits they bring back to the U.S.

Politically, the so-called repatriation tax holiday could be a tough sell to a public wary of giving big business a free lunch – let alone a smorgasbord. President Barack Obama also has made clear he’s not interested in piecemeal tax measures, insisting on a comprehensive overhaul. And critics say there’s scant evidence the last tax reprieve of this kind in 2004 spurred much investment or hiring.

But Cisco, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, Qualcomm, Pfizer, Kodak, CA Technologies, Duke Energy and other proponents believe they have a winning hand — and the right people to play it.

They've brought on as lead lobbyists former GOP Rep. Jim McCrery, the ex-ranking member of House Ways and Means, and Jeffrey Forbes, former chief of staff to Senate Finance Chair Max Baucus (D-Mont.). SKDKnickerbocker, the PR firm led by former Obama senior communications director Anita Dunn, is handling media strategy.

The tax holiday is an idea that draws bipartisan support from tax-cutting Republicans and pro-business Democrats. And with unemployment stuck in the high-single digits and economic growth still frustratingly slow, the prospect of drawing hundreds of billions of dollars parked overseas back to the United States may become increasingly difficult for skeptics to resist.

“The states are getting ready to lay off thousands of people, the Middle East is burning, unemployment is stuck at 9 percent,” Jason Mahler, a lobbyist for Oracle and former chief of staff to Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.), told POLITICO. “What else are you going to do in terms of stimulus that’s of any consequence? The quiver is empty.”

Members of the yet-unnamed coalition have been meeting regularly over the past month and are a few weeks away from a public announcement, sources say. But after that the campaign may go below the radar, at least in the early stages. No raucous rallies at the Capitol. No TV ads during primetime.

That’s partly because large corporations seeking favorable tax treatment aren’t the stuff of a populist movement. Members also may be wary of inspiring an opposition campaign when the issue of tax repatriation is probably too wonky to draw foes on its own.

Instead , the companies hope for a snowball effect as they take their case to individual members of Congress, paying special attention to moderate Senate Democrats and House Republicans.

Their argument is straightforward. Multinational firms have roughly $1 trillion in overseas accounts that they are loathe to bring back because doing so would mean paying up to 35 percent in taxes to Uncle Sam. The corporations can avoid taxes indefinitely by keeping the money abroad, but many want easier access to what amounts to huge — but largely untapped — cash reserves.

The solution, say repatriation proponents: drop the tax on repatriated funds to 5 percent for one year. If the full $1 trillion is repatriated, it would net $50 billion in extra tax revenues up front. Longer term, the move would likely add to the deficit, but only marginally – by around $30 billion over 10 years, extrapolating from the Joint Committee on Taxation’s scoring of past repatriation proposals.



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  • neocongo
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      neocongo  
    • 5% isn't much, but it's better than nothing. Coupled with revamped domestic tax laws disallowing massively profitable Corps from paying no taxes, I'd buy that shit.

    • 1 year ago
  • Ophiuchus
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      Ophiuchus  
    • The old, old, old timers compared it to a certain man or Beast that has a fear of dieing if he can't have all the money. He sends his surrogate's to get all the money, no matter if it causes death or harm to others. The Beast feels that if he can't have it all, he will die, and will do anything he can to have piles and piles and layers and layers of money. The Beast's [thirst] is never quenched however. It should be a familiar story to all of us yes?

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
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      DougChristian  
    • Getting them to "repatriate" the money would be a good thing, so it's maybe not quite as insane as it seems.

      But the problem is them getting to expatriate the money in the first place. If a company wants to do business in America, they should have to account for all their assets, no matter where they keep them.

      If you don't like it then say goodbye to your access to the largest consumer economy in the world m-f'er

    • 1 year ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • Persecuted
    • +1
      Persecuted  
    • if these companies want to take american jobs overseas and then not even pay taxes for it... when i have to pay taxes on a fucking 20 dollar gift card i won at work.... then i say, we boycott these companies...

    • 1 year ago
  • Schnookums
    • +1
      Schnookums  
    • Levin's right. Besides being a huge screw-job, this would only encourage them to export jobs at an ever quickening pace.

      They have enough money held overseas to give every household in America almost $12,000, and they're bitching about having to pay $4,200 in taxes.

      How about we take the whole $1,000,000,000,000.00, give every household in America $7,800 each and use the $4,200 each in taxes to rebuild our country's infrastructure?

    • 1 year ago
  • figgdimension
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      figgdimension  
    • what an amazing idea(wink)
      why have them pay any taxes at all they are so tiny & unprotected poor little corp. can't wallow in their money here only abroad yea they'll use it here too..right?

    • 1 year ago
  • outofbounds
    • +1
      outofbounds  
    • Give corporations a tax holiday for a year? Then trust them to bring the business back into the US? Then trust that after a year they'll gladly start paying taxes on that business? What could possibly go wrong?

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
  • outofbounds
  • jubal
    • +4
      jubal  
    • This whole thing is very sick. All taxes should be paid by corporations because they get the lion's share of benefits from what the taxes pay for: defense, infrastructure, political service by their zombie congressmen and senators, all the myriad of regulatory agencies that have been already hijacked by them to serve their nefarious purposes.

      The working class people in this country, those that make 50K or less should not pay any taxes at all, except their share of social service systems like Medicare & Social Security. Other than that, they should not be paying any income taxes at either the Federal or State levels.

      Will all that extra income at their disposals to spend, surely that should make the massive retailers very happy.

      Taxes should only be assessed on profits, after the fact when all the other expenses are covered.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
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      DougChristian  
    • jubal:

      "Taxes should only be assessed on profits, after the fact when all the other expenses are covered."

      Yes. This is totally the heart of the problem. Imagine a huge oil company like Exxon running massive semis with hazardous materials across our roads and bridges, tankers on our waterways, drilling our resources, risking ecosystems, using our electricity, water and communications infrastructures, spewing pollutants into our air, with storefronts pumping gas on every corner protected by our police and firefighters, taking in fortunes of our dollars. And if their accountants, with the use of write-offs and creative subsidiaries, can make their "US profits" zero, then they pay not one dime in taxes.

      It's maddening.

    • 1 year ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • Jeremy_Benson
  • jubal
    • +1
      jubal  
    • Jeremy_Benson:

      The only way they should get the tax breaks is for the tax code to insist that dollar for dollar that they get in tax breaks has to be invested in America to create jobs...if not...the billionaires and multinational corporations can eat shit.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
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    • 1: write, email and demand "No Tax Holiday"!

      2: permanently exile the tax holiday lobbyists for treason against the people, along with all legislators who made it possible for them to avoid taxes during the past 50 years.

      3: write, email and demand a "Retroactive Tax Evasion, Super Tax", on all corporate profits during the last 50 years that have not been taxed at the then applicable corporate tax rate, irrespective of abatements and subsidies.

      4: email your idea for reclaiming American wealth that has been inappropriately, ( for lack of a more precise word ), expropriated by corporate America, to the Prgressive United action forum:

      http://agenda.ProgressivesUnited.org

    • 1 year ago
  • floydyboy
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      floydyboy  
    • Why not change it? If only for the fact they'll bring the money back to the Us. Then we could tax the interest as income earned at the regular rate. It's only for a year & this is only to bring the cash back to American soil. They need an incentive to bring it back. This would be a good thing. Way too much American money is overseas doing nothing for us. Bring our money home, & raise taxes on imports.

    • 1 year ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • floydyboy:

      Because they're lying, they're already sitting on stockpiles of money that they're not using and they already aren't hiring.

      As always, these fucking criminals who rewrote the tax code so they could legally do this are now asking that they *pretty please* be allowed to write it again so that they don't have to pay any taxes.

      Fuck that, they should pay their fair share like everyone else. We shouldn't even allow them to have offshore accounts.

    • 1 year ago
  • Milieu
    • +6
      Milieu  
    • "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask, rather what you can do for your country"

      Return tax rates on Oligarchs and Corporations to what they were when Kennedy took office.

      They want protection from the unrest overseas, they pay for that protection.

      Pay U.S.

    • 1 year ago
  • xhuffpo
    • +1
      xhuffpo  
    • Milieu:

      The cost of that protection is not brought up very often and should be a reason businesses should willingly pay more in taxes. The benefit that it is to the multinational business is never examined and just bringing it up to the republicans, and many democrats gets you called anti American and want to weaken the country to let the (place particular enemy here) take over this country and turn it into a (insert distasteful form of government here).
      Conservatives with the religious right, religious right is an oxymoron isn't it, have managed to seize the conservation and define the scope and terms used. I am unsure of how we can take that back from them unless we wait until the leaders and most of the members of that group die off.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • Schnookums
    • +1
      Schnookums  
    • xhuffpo:

      Funny. That protection runs around $1trillion a year. Since they are the principle beneficiary of the protection, they should have to pay for it.....ALL.

      We'll then use the tax money collected from everyone else to benefit the citizens!

    • 1 year ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • xhuffpo
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      xhuffpo  
    • Well since we have the deficit under control and revenues from taxes have been rising , I see no reason that the business that effectively pay zero taxes already shouldn't be given permission to go ahead and continue to economically rape this country and make the rest of us pay for all the costs of recovering from the rape.
      How have we come to this point that the people will just take this, and have some of the very people that are getting raped to argue for the companies to do it to us.
      Is it the result of 30 years of the assault on education that Reagan began?

      Could it be that the boomers that thought they were going to change the world have gotten to the point that they are afraid that if they,(we), fight we will lose what we have and don't want to give up our stuff, however you want to define "stuff".
      Why why why???
      Are we going to have to go into a complete economic meltdown and collapse the world economy before the oligarchy can be stopped ?

    • 1 year ago
  • MDBard
    • +2
      MDBard  
    • The song "Lets start a riot" plays in the back ground.

      A man with long blond hair and a Lincoln beard stands upon his soap box and begins to shout.

      "Today we have seen the last straw. Today we the people stand up and take back our country from the greed of the Mega Corps. We take back our Government from the career Polly's. And we fight for the Rights of Freedom and Liberty once more. To date we have used Our Voices, and they have been shouted down. We have used are Words and they have been deleted. We have used Love and been given Hate. We have used Peace and been Given War. Now we have come to the last resort We must stand up and use the People"

      He began to recite the declaration of Independence and as he came to the part about the claims of grievance and changed them to reflect the current state of the once mighty unuion a shot rang out and thus the Re-revolutionary war began.

      (Up and coming novel if I ever finish the damn thing)

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
  • MDBard
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      MDBard  
    • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:

      Art always imitates life and what was suppose to be a fiction novel based on various conspiracy theories and a kind of worst case scenario, but now it seems more like a prophecy come to life. So I stopped working on the novel and became the man with the Lincoln beard, lets hope i don't suffer the same fate.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • MDBard:

      Well, MD; ( as in Dr.?), if you do share the fate of your beard model, you will have accomplished a very great deed, and will have become immortalized. There are worse fates. And, look on the bright side, you don't have long grey hair! lol. It is possible to interweave you novel as an intended work of fiction, with intervening and parallel reality, which could make it very heady. I'm writing something of that sort myself, right now. In my case, however, I'm forced to partially fictionalize it, to avoid libel suits from them who can afford to keep me in court the rest of my life. Your novel, is as topical as it could ever be, and could be a runaway best seller under the circumstances and social climate. To be able to wear long blond hair and a beard, do you live in an artist's community? Living in an uber conventional atmosphere, I've lost touch with less conventional enclaves.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
  • MDBard
    • 0
      MDBard  
    • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:

      MD stands for Modern Day, Morbidly Dissatisfied, or Mentally Deranged depending on the day and who asks who. I'm no Doctor but if I was i would be a doctor of Dreams. I have to fictionalize my works as well and I do so for the same reasons as Jonathan Swift, Lewis Carroll and others. Politics is a bloody business. I live in small town Texas and where my hair and beard as both one part freedom and one part sense of history. My town is conventional and I've rebelled against the Convention since 7th grade some decade and a half ago. Thus why I have few friends other then on-line. As for art always imitating life. One can not speak with out first knowing something of what is to be spoken. One can not write what one does not believe himself to know even if it is a false hood. One can not paint what they haven't seen even if it be only in the minds eye and one can not create art with out first living life. There for concluding my opinion.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
    • 0
      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • MDBard:

      Very thoroughly and succinctly articulated, and nothing that I can debate. I like the blend of morbidly dissatisfied with mentally deranged association. That, coupled with my Lord of Ringesque mental image of you, makes an interesting chat partner. At 22ish, are you still in school?

    • 1 year ago
  • MDBard
    • 0
      MDBard  
    • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:

      Not in school nor can I afford it, as for being 22ish it was less then a whole half a decade but whole numbers make for less flowing sentences. So I will instead say i am one score and almost eight years of age. Skipped school for children and a family but found my self divorced and poor as well as some what jaded with a system controlled by corrupt Mega Corps. As for being articulate my English teachers would have very much disagreed but then I gave papers on Prohibition, GLBT rights, and my personal Favorite "How fanatical religion has destroyed the American dream." got a D minus on that paper but what could I expect from a Pop:6000 town with over twenty churches.

    • 1 year ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • MDBard
    • 0
      MDBard  
    • pissedoffinarkansas:

      All ideas are welcome but imagine this rather then a single pov and writer what if we got everyone with thier true story instead of something made up. Titles: We the people. An amercian dream. or Fuck the mega corps. hmmm... that last one might not get any publicty from the main stream but then what do they ever cover thats worth covering.

    • 1 year ago
  • SoCalFramer
    • +2
      SoCalFramer  
    • It's a good thing Obama is in the white house so he can block; oh wait he is says he loves the idea and while where at it lets not tax them at all, hell we can fuck the middle class a little bit more. I mean who are they going to turn to Palin.

    • 1 year ago
  • dinm76
  • Larry_Wilson
    • +4
      Larry_Wilson  
    • The weird thing about modern right-wing politics: Money spent on the poor causes huge deficits. Tax breaks to the very wealthy don't cost anything.

      Here is my proposal: Tax everyone (individuals and companies) at the same rate based on total income. No deductions. Then, send checks to companies that are so valuable that they need help.

      Of course, the checks would end when the first $50,000,000,000 checks went out to the oil companies...

    • 1 year ago
  • Pollywollydoodle
  • aaron1972
  • simplecj
    • +5
      simplecj  
    • They've already been getting these tax holidays. They all cry about how US corp tax is too high, when the reality is they only pay 5-10% after taking advantage of every loophole they can. They let cash pile up in tax havens, just waiting for another "tax holiday" so they can bring it all home without paying their fair share.

      Individual tax payers often pay about 25% of their income to taxes. Small businesses and corporations probably pay a similar amount since they can't afford the army of lawyers and accountants that the big guys have.

      So while 35% is the national corporate tax rate, that's just not the reality of it and it makes me so mad to hear these huge multi-billion dollar corps whining that he tax rate is too high and that's why they need "tax holidays" and such. Bunch of crooked bullshit just to keep from paying their fair share. Is it any wonder our country is going broke when the top earners are putting little to none back into the country's funds?

      Where's my tax holiday??? Me and my wife made $46k last year, both working full time as an engineer and a year-round teacher, paid thousands of dollars in taxes and somehow still owe them another $800 even with all the little write-offs my wife was able to round up. Do I have an extra $800 to pay them? Hell no, we're basically living check to check, just trying to keep up on living expenses and debt piled up from 6 years of college (for both of us). I drive a salvage title car that I fixed up myself and even switched to roll-your-own smokes to save some money. I understand we're better off than a lot of people, but the IRS doesn't care who you are, they want all of us to pay our taxes or risk going to jail. Why then do they allow corporations to get out of paying BILLIONS in taxes when they would literally track me down and handcuff me if I refused to pay them that extra $800? ... well, ok, they might just garnish my wage to pay it, but be sure they wouldn't let it slide.

      It's time to end corporate welfare! Lower the tax rate, but eliminate all tax loopholes and tax havens, make them pay their fair share. After all every ordinary working class citizen is expected to do so, why not them?

    • 1 year ago
  • extracrazykiwi2008
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  
    • simplecj:

      "Small businesses and corporations probably pay a similar amount since they can't afford the army of lawyers and accountants that the big guys have."

      60% of incorporated business in the US are S-Corps. They are small businesses like you see in your town. At the end of the year the owners take out profits as bonuses. The business profits disappear. They become taxable income as part of the owners personal income. The reason this was done was to provide a lower tax rate on small business encouraging them to reinvest and grow.

      S Corps are also the reason you hear the twisted statement 67% of corporations in the US don't pay taxes. 60% or corporations are small businesses.

    • 1 year ago
  • the1union1man2organize
    • +3
      the1union1man2organize  
    • Seems they are getting a little worried about their cash overseas, With the unrest and the price of oil hitting record highs making the products that cost more to ship here.
      Well making the cost of labor here verses the cost of oil about dead even.
      Now since they have bought all of Washington DC except for a few, they will have there cake and eat it to. If we are lucky they might let us smell the plate, cause the the Tea Baggers will get the crumbs.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
    • +14
      UtopianSky  
    • How about this-

      Let's say we tax the rich back to rate they were taxed durring the Reagan administration, tax companies who get their labor from other countries, and we cut the gigantic military budget?

      Could that maybe solve some issues?

      Do you think?

      Huh?

    • 1 year ago
  • hanzdogy
    • +2
      hanzdogy  
    • UtopianSky:

      No way. That would be too straight forward and easy. We need a complex series of tax laws that only a team of highly paid accountants/lobbies understand.

      I am with you all the way in spirit though.

    • 1 year ago
  • extracrazykiwi2008
  • Warren_Merrill
    • 0
      Warren_Merrill  
    • hanzdogy:

      The US needs to throw out the tax code. Take away all deductions on the corporate and individual level and come up with a flat tax that starts at a certain level of income

      What do you make, subtract this dollar amount (to protect low income people and businesses), multiple by this percentage, send it in.

      Why won't it happen? Start with the interest deduction on home loans and work your way backwards through to the developers and every business and union providing resources to build a home. Their lobbies would put up a huge fuss. Home building is supposedly one of the best economic indicators. But tax deductions have created a twisted, artificial economy.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      "What do you make, subtract this dollar amount (to protect low income people and businesses), multiple [sic] by this percentage, send it in."

      I'll agree under 2 conditions:

      1) Make "this dollar amount" that you subtract be high, like the median cost of living.

      2) Make "this percentage" that you multiply by be an increasing function of income/profit (in other words, a progressive rate)

    • 1 year ago
  • Warren_Merrill
    • 0
      Warren_Merrill  
    • DougChristian:

      I'm pulling numbers out of the air to make an example. It would be a flat tax with no deductions except size of family the tax wouldn't apply to people making under a certain amount (example:50K).

      A person making 50K wouldn't pay federal income tax. A person making 100K would pay 20% on 50K. The idea is take away the deductions so money can't be protected and the tax rate would be lowered. For wealthy people more of their money would be in play since they lose deductions allowing a lower tax rate. But they would still pay more than when they had deductions.

      Don't analyze the numbers. They're made up. Just consider the process.

    • 1 year ago
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