Community | March 06, 2011 | 91 comments

Christians Against Christian Jerks

Tim_Patrick
Christians were holding a morning of prayer event in front of the White House. All were invited to come and pray. One man, a Muslim, attended the event, and he began to pray. Muslims have a very particular ritual to their prayer. As this man began to pray, Christians began to surround him, shouting, "Jesus, Jesus!" They threw tiny silver crosses at the man's feet, and insulted him.

These actions do not resemble the love of Christ, the God whom I place my faith in. However, these "Christians" believe that they have the right to interfere with another man's worship to his God. They do not see the error, or the sins of their ways. They use God as a license to hate, judge, and condemn their fellow man.

It is my belief that God loves all people, as the Bible tells us that God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son. As a Christian, I believe it is my duty to share the gospel, and to tell others of God's love. What these Christians did to this poor Muslim man is not in keeping with the teachings of Christ, and I am embarrassed that this occurred.

I am a Christian against Christian Jerks. Please take the time to read this article:

"After reading the ruling of the courts recently that Westboro Baptist Church’s protests during funerals and others places are constitutional, I’m seriously contemplating starting a website called

Christians Against Christian Jerks

I wonder if http://christiansagainstchristiansjerks.com is available.

I’m not timid in saying that I really dislike them people. Sorry.

You’ve heard me already write and rant about the paradox of Christian jerks:

…“Christian jerks” are a tragic paradox – especially when they think they are doing the Kingdom a great favor.

Let’s contend for the Gospel but let’s not be jerks in the process. Nowhere do I read in the Scriptures, “Contend for the gospel as a jerk.”

But watching this video (below) this morning, I got that really sick feeling in my tummy again. Like really sick. Obviously, I wasn’t there and I don’t have the full context but what’s been reported by others is that a rally with Christians was gathering around the outside gates of the White House and Muslim man shows up to also pray, and several Christians then gather around – hurl insults, shouting “Jesus, Jesus” and even throws some crosses on the ground – as the Muslim person is praying.

…just as the rally was dying out, a Muslim man who showed up to pray in front of the White House. He was quickly surrounded by a large group of protestors who shouted an array of insults at him: mocking him for drinking Starbucks coffee, telling him to go back to his country and even throwing tiny crosses at his feet as he prayed.

Seriously? Really?

I know you wouldn’t do this but here’s my question:

If you were there, what would you have done in response to these Christians?"
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91 comments // Christians Against Christian Jerks // Video

  • limapalooza
    • 0
      limapalooza  
    • I think what we are seeing here is despicable, but I also think you have falsely represented the situation. Obviously this guy has been going there for a while praying as you see the signs are to him, it was not just something that happened randomly, guy off street goes to pray and people harass him...

      Granted he is still be harassed none the less and it makes me depressed watching people like this because in truth I know that it's this thought mentality that is the majority of people out there... its nothing but a bunch of stupid people having stupid babies and corrupting the world to hate vile and filth.

      The christian church has been corrupt for a very long time and its only getting worse. It's because of situations like this that I have denounced religion and no longer consider myself a christian.

      I don't need a title to know who I am.

    • 1 year ago
  • gepma44
    • 0
      gepma44  
    • church and religion are preparations for when you die ,waitin and searching for that pie in the sky. Quiet as its kept though its never been told,all of our salvation exists within your soul. Why then you ask would so many men lie? The answer is clear to collect the tithes....kill my landlord....

    • 1 year ago
  • gepma44
    • 0
      gepma44  
    • The bible is a misrepresented story tweaked as it was passed down through the ages....How much tweaking depended on who was manning the presses at the time...then just as now those with power control all news and how it is disseminated....The truth hurts . being wrong priceless....I am too concerned with living to care what boogeyman gets me when i die....When i die i dont care about having wings and playing a harp..just let me lay there until someone comes along and soylent greens me.....Thanks i feel so much better

    • 1 year ago
  • transparentworld2011
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • "Christian Jerks"??? Excuse me, but what makes you think they are Christians? "By their fruits you shall know them." These yahoos have PROVEN they aren't Christians- they're in the same league as "The Fred Phelps Family Singers."

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
    • 0
      UtopianSky  
    • unclecharlie:

      Well, don't fall into the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

      Anyone who calls themselves Christian is Christian.

      Remember, the hatemonger Christians would claim that the nice Christians are not true Christians.

    • 1 year ago
  • August_K
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • 21stcenturysanity
    • 0
      21stcenturysanity  
    • Check this out: All religions are mythology based and exist primarily because of the money and power to be gained from having an intellectually enslaved base that is scared to think outside the premises of whatever religion they subscribe to. Understanding that religious people, no matter their rationalizations or numbers, ARE TECHNICALLY PART OF AN INSTITUTIONALIZED PYCHOSIS. Now this may seem harse to some, but its the truth and dealing with relgious people when you are not involves either pretending that their magical thinking is "the gospel" or having the courage to stand up for free thought and rational views based on science. When you have such money and political leverage being exploited from the weak, and with such a pychologically powerful fear tactic ingrained in the premises of christianity(you're gonna burn in hell if you dont love the lord!!), it makes me wonder how many more yrs a modern society can survive when so many stay locked in the cage of fear that is creationism.

    • 1 year ago
  • BigAL72
  • jubal
  • jubal
    • +2
      jubal  
    • Jesus was not a Christ...he was a Dali Lama born in Bethlehem and later raised in India until the age of 29, then he returned to Palestine to preach his message of spiritual freedom and the kingdom of heaven, then he returned to India and died an old man.

      The whole Passion of the Christ and Resurrection was an invention of the early Roman Catholic church and it was embedded in the bible in order to create a state religion that would guarantee their seat of power for at least two millenniums.

    • 1 year ago
  • GENERALNATTY
    • 0
      GENERALNATTY  
    • Sadly people dont understand that it does not matter what it is whether its religion or nationality or whatever its just differences , people have been manipulating the differences between one another to promote hatred regardless of where those differences come from.

      For example in the early 1600's many irish were enslaved by the english during the the african slave trade , irish slaves were valued at 5 sterling while and african slave was valued at 60 sterling. Infact at one point over 70 percent of the caribbean island of montserrat were irish slaves that went through horrific treatment irish slaves could be beaten too death and there masters would not face punishment. Now they are regular white people.

      Italians recieved harsh discrimination and were even lynched by the KKK now , many of the top dogs in the Tea Party are italian , Spaniards were conquistadors white european invaders ,now they are an entire new race.

      Prior to the large scale immigration mostly by russian and polish jews to the "British mandate of palestine" due to persecution in the 1920's Jews and arabs in the region got along pretty well. Now 90 years later after millions of palestinians have been uprooted from there land there has been all kind of conflict and religion is the one that is blamed , knowing full well that if 6 million native americans were put in placed in american colonies uprooting american landowners during british rule in short order a war would break out just as fast.

      The tea party manipulates the constitution and they are used as an example to describe the lunatic fringe of american politics. The tea party does the same to the bible and many people on this site use it as an example of christians and why christianity is bad.

      There are tolerant athiest's and there are certain athiest groups that attempt to remove religion from society in a manner that infringe on individual rights and athiests that can only be described as fundamentalists burning bibles and desecrating holy symbols and inciting hatred.

      The idea that if all religion was removed tomorrow the world would be saved is bullshit , what we need is a way for us to learn to live with and respect each other , saying "religion causes wars" is just nonsensical scapegoating because many people in many nations have hated america bad enough to want it seen blown to smithereens and it has had more to do with the way it wields its power and wealth than it has to do with the president going to sunday service.

      Hatred intolerance and ignorance are human traits , our views of each other change with time and so does are the reasons that can be used to hate each other, work to fix the the intolerance at it's source because scapegoating is a waste of time.

    • 1 year ago
  • Arizona_Huey
    • +4
      Arizona_Huey  
    • Religion needs to go away from our politicians and our political discourse and it needs to be stripped of its tax exempt status immediately. What you do in your private life is exactly that - your private life. But when you begin to oppress others with your religious dogma and drone on about how you have the need to proselytize to others to spread the word - then you have crossed the line and you need to be stopped.

    • 1 year ago
  • wyndesonge
    • +1
      wyndesonge  
    • Well I won't venture into this subject without stepping on some toes but so be it. It is very easy to be "Christians against Christian jerks," when the targets are Westboro or other far out evangelical sects. I wonder, though, how serious the opposition would be to the Southern Baptist Convention, the Mormons, and the Church of Rome, all of which discriminate in varying degrees against women, attempt to impose their religious beliefs upon non-believers, actively seek to establish theocracies, and flippanty accept "faith" based dogma in lieu of scientific fact. It would seem to me that there are legions of "Christian jerks," that far outnumber a bunch of loud mouths from Kansas.

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
    • -1
      mitekillem  
    • wyndesonge:

      Being raised in the Mormon church, I've always been taught to respect others religions.
      You can't impose your religion onto someone else. You can however invite them to share in your views, and talk to them like a sane person about the differences in the views.
      Within the group, there is a great emphasis in being humble...and it's one of the great things I love about them. The term "Mormon Hate" or "Mormon Rage" is a paradox; much like "Military Intelligence". lol

      But, because I live in the south, I can confirm about the Southern Baptists.
      Like with any church, you can't blame them all for the faults of the ignorant few.
      However, you do tend to see a trend.

      An educated person is not threatened by another's ideas or beliefs.
      While the ignorant cannot tolerate it, and resort to more primitive ways of resolving the conflict; meaning hate and violence.

      Jesus used neither hate nor violence to convert or teach the gentiles.
      He knew that love and compassion was the best way.

    • 1 year ago
  • wyndesonge
    • +4
      wyndesonge  
    • mitekillem:

      You will have to sell your Mormon humility somewhere else. I was well into my 30's before the LDS church "humbled" itself on the issue of race primarily because the BYU football team was meeting resistance in scheduling games. The church does not grant equal status to women who are not allowed in the priesthood and wives are required to be subservient to their husbands. As it pertains to current issues, the church might develope a "humility" about sexual orientation instead of attemping to impose its belief system on the state of California.

    • 1 year ago
  • gepma44
    • -1
      gepma44  
    • THEN as we grew older our young minds became slowly molded to whatever religion our parents were subscribing to.......before slowly through television,subliminal advertising, skewed news reporting we cement our religious way. From that point on to waver on something you have spent 69 percent of your life worshiping is excuse the pun blasphemy........free yo mind your ass will follow......

    • 1 year ago
  • gepma44
  • GodsBarTab
  • The_Wanderer_KS
    • +10
      The_Wanderer_KS  
    • I am what certain circles would call "a devout athiest", and my explaination for that life choice I think bears some consideration in this topic. I was a pre-teen when my exposure to several different religions led me to wonder which one was right, and which were wrong. Due to my curiosity on the subject I studied, I read, I research, I spoke, and I asked many questions of any willing to listen and answer. My quest for the answers took me well into my highschool years before I came to realization that the answers were already instilled inside of me, infact inside of all of us. The truth is all of the worlds real religions are at the core, basically the same, it is merely the trapping and rituals that provide the differences between them. For Christians there are the Ten Commandments, the basic laws a righteous and just man should follow, but these same laws exist in all religions when you look deep enough and far enough back to find the source of thier faith. Our religions were all founded by those who saw iniquity and unjust behavior in the world around them, and as such these people sought to teach those around them how to combat such evils by first conquering them within themselves. To do no undue harm, to be honest, to be pure of thought and action, and to understand that the world around them cannot be controled but merely guided.

      Through this discover of my own "self truths" as I call them I have determined that indeed our nations forefathers were right in that all men are created equal, and that all the religious texts in the world were right in that we are responsible for our own actions, now and in whatever afterlife there may be. Only through love, compassion, and understanding can we bring about the good that this world has the potential to offer all living things. I also learned that through hate, bigotry, dishonesty, and unjust action can bring about the worst that this world has the potential to offer.

      I cannot condon the actions of these individual "christians" but let us take a lesson from the muslim man they accosted, whom near the end of this encounter when he returned to his prayer prayed fervently for blessings apon the families of the men who disrespected and dishonored him. He trully followed tenents of your own bible by turning the other cheek and showing love and goodwill towards man, no matter thier iniquities.

      BTW, in my town of current residence a few years ago a local church placed MANY MANY signs through out the city saying such things as "We apologize for the arrogant, self righteous, unjust, condescending, rude, judgemental, impious pricks who claim to be our christian brothers. Please come to our service for another view of real Christians." I personally believe they had the right approach

    • 1 year ago
  • Funky
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • Leen61
    • +5
      Leen61  
    • This video just shows the level of intolerance in this country. I've always been for what our Constitution says....the Separation of Church and State. Ever since W. was on the scene, this country has so tilted to the reilgious bent and not in a good way. (I'm not here to offend Tim Patrick, Jesus is a liberal, or anybody else) Religion has been used the wrong way and for all the wrong reasons for well over 10 years now. (Check out the DVD "Jesus Camp"..you'll see what I mean) Did you hear about the deal last week where a fetus "testified?" This is the kind of BS I'm talking about. It's way out of hand. I feel bad for the people like Tim Patrick who believe for the right reasons and practice what they preach. These type of people that are on the video have bastardized religion. Just a side note...I'm a happy agnostic.

    • 1 year ago
  • The_Wanderer_KS
  • Leen61
  • jesus_is_a_liberal
  • rustyred
  • sla48
    • +4
      sla48  
    • HOLY SINNERS BATMAN!
      Judge not, lest ye be judged! My understanding of this is that one should not judge others because they do not have their own houses in order. My guess is that these people do not have orderly houses.
      Beware of the false Profit! This phase by itself is some what ambiguous, however when applied to this article.. these particular Bible thumping, cherry picking,self righteous, holier than you, Christian in name only... crowd... not only present a False Profit... but they Bare False Witness.
      I for one have grown very weary of those who live amongst us that believe that Our Lord needs a marketing team. There is literally no-one who does not know where to go in person or in their hearts to seek and find God, if they choose to do so.
      Religion used to be politics until our founding fathers said "nothing but trouble there". All people should be allowed to worship (if they choose to) or not to whom ever they see fit, with out the harassment of my God is better than yours!

      Rant over.... send me a link where I can find a bumper sticker with the headline of this story. I will put it right next to my CoExist sticker!

    • 1 year ago
  • Hi_Maintenance
    • +1
      Hi_Maintenance  
    • sla48:

      Oh man, you got that right. Imagine our forefathers now, who were Druids, looking at what has become of their dream society. They wanted a separation in church and state for this reason. As religion becomes more of a form of government our society will continue to decline.

      **************************************************************************************************************
      (The following is not my personal belief. It comes from reseach I have done for my thesis)
      ****************************************************************************************************************

      There is a very basic principle here. That principle is that I must fight other religions. Why?Because if other religions are right, then my religion and what I believe in is wrong. Therefore someone is going to Hell and I don't want it to be me.

      Rather then believe that all spiritual paths lead to God. We do not need to fight each other. Let us all live in peace. But this battle has been going on for a very long time.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
    • 0
      Leen61  
    • sla48:

      I got a COEXIST sticker myself. My husband had one he finally had to get rid of because it got too ratty. It said "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

    • 1 year ago
  • James_Simmons
  • Tim_Patrick
  • Hi_Maintenance
  • ejasun
    • +3
      ejasun  
    • A jerk is a jerk whatever the religion.
      Violence against Christians is on the rise in the cradle of their faith - Israel and the Palestinian autonomy. Christians and their holy sites have been targeted by both extremist Muslims and Jews. In recent months, attacks against Christians and Christian sites have increased

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdceGCc6FvU

    • 1 year ago
  • Cruzankenny
    • +8
      Cruzankenny  
    • "Anyone who knows history, particularly the history of Europe, will, I think, recognize that the domination of education or of government by any one particular religious faith is never a happy arrangement for the people."
      Eleanor Roosevelt

    • 1 year ago
  • Schnookums
  • Ian_Judge_Lord
    • +2
      Ian_Judge_Lord  
    • "Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting An Establishment Of Religion, Nor Prohibiting The Free Exercise Thereof; nor abridging the freedoms of speech, of the press, or of the people peaceably top assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of their grievances."

      -First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America,
      Written by Third President of the United States Thomas Jefferson and Fourth President of the United States James Madison
      Ratified by the First United States Congress, November 20, 1789

      THAT is my Bible
      In that i have memorized every word of it by heart, and can recite it verbatim from memory on whim
      and that, no matter how much torture and torment i would be forced to endure, NO ONE born of this world, or any other for that matter, could ever be capable of persuading me to renounce my strong, deeply-held belief in it

      However, somehow i get the feeling that chanting: "Amendment 1, Amendment 1, Amendment 1!" at a protest rally just would not have quite the same jingle to it as chanting: "Jesus, U.S.A, Jesus, U.S.A, Jesus, U.S.A!"

      By the Anywho, I should add that a google Search will reveal that there are "Jesus, USA"'s in Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona

    • 1 year ago
  • crunchynuts
    • -1
      crunchynuts  
    • were there any muslims against muslim jerks??? because really..lets address the problem instead of trying to divert attention away from it...

      the real problem here is not islam or majority of muslims..but more on a few muslim "jerks" who manipulate other muslims to take a more radical interpretation of islam AND if we start dealing with those "jerks"..then we can start cleaning this mess..instead of just inciting more hatred..

    • 1 year ago
  • dinm76
  • Holopoint
  • James_Simmons
    • +6
      James_Simmons  
    • Christianity is very wrong when it teaches it's adherents that only it is the true path to God. This is not so. God has no religious preference. None at all. It is very possible to worship God in a perfectly satisfactory manner from outside any religion. In heaven there are no religions but there is God. They are a thing of the Earth.

      Sometimes I think that religions are the worst thing that ever happened to our planet.

    • 1 year ago
  • danitassin
  • EdJoyProductions
    • +5
      EdJoyProductions  
    • One group of people that believe in a fictitious god arguing with another group that believes in a different fictitious god is such a total waste of energy.

    • 1 year ago
  • Earl_Dixon
  • danitassin
  • danitassin
  • samthesixth
  • Tim_Patrick
    • +6
      Tim_Patrick  
    • samthesixth:

      No, your right. Freedom of Religion Rights weren't violated in the slightest. People were throwing crosses at his feet before he bowed, mocked his religion, criticizing his beliefs, and shouted over his prayer, while a hypocrite prayed loudly, over him, asking Jesus to forgive the Muslim for HIS prayer.

      It was totally accepted behavior, because the Christians didn't strike the man.

      Really? If this is how you truly think, you do not know God.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • UtopianSky
  • Tim_Patrick
    • +4
      Tim_Patrick  
    • samthesixth:

      So, you are saying that if Jesus was in that crowd, he would have done the exact same thing? Sir, I mean you no disrespect, but this behavior is completely contrary to God's teachings. Nothing in the Bible even remotely encourages this kind of behavior. If this is truly what you think, please back it up with scripture.

      These Christians were out of line, and their actions were inappropriate, and indefensible.

    • 1 year ago
  • danitassin
  • ZiggyStrange
    • +3
      ZiggyStrange  
    • samthesixth:

      I think people voted it down because they felt you were being an apologist. When I read it I wanted to ask you why you don't see what they did to him as a possible abrogation. He was being verbally assaulted and was being kept from praying. You have 2 rights being weighted here. Was their freedom of speech, abrogating his freedom of speech?

      He was being passive, and non threatening, they were being aggressive and threatening him. They acted to block his praying by placing obstacles that kept him from praying. It's not as simple as nobody struck him. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be surprised if the mob was not violating his rights.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
    • -2
      samthesixth  
    • Tim_Patrick:

      So they were idiots. So they misrepresented their own religion's teachings.

      Where in my comments do I say their behavior was justified, non-hypocritical, or acceptable? Your assertion about my beliefs is not supported by my comment about violence. Perhaps you take my remark out of context? I was pointing out that no one was harmed. That is not often the case when religious zealots disagree. The fact that no one was harmed is a good thing, in my book.

      "Freedom of Religion Rights," as you put it, have to do with curtailing govt behavior r.e. the right to establish a national religion. Unless one of the idiot mockers was a govt official operating as such, there is no violation.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • samthesixth
    • -2
      samthesixth  
    • Tim_Patrick:

      You all are asking me to justify the behavior of these idiots. I will do no such thing! None of my comments indicate my approval of their actions. Where do I say that these people are emulating Jesus?

      I still think it is a good thing that this reprehensible situation did not end in violence.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
    • +3
      samthesixth  
    • ZiggyStrange:

      Perhaps you are correct, Ziggy. I have reread all my comments in the thread and do not understand how pointing out that the Christians did not inflict physical violence is somehow an apologist's behavior. But perhaps that is how people took it. I must admit, when looking at it through the light of your comment, that it helps me understand the other comments.

      But given the strong feelings concerning religion these things can end in violence. I am glad that in this case the zealots did not resort to such foolishness. The Muslim man in question shows admirable restraint. I doubt I could have been as passive when faced with these idiots.

    • 1 year ago
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +2
      Varex_Sythe  
    • samthesixth:

      Why would there be any violence enacted against him? He wasn't threatening anyone else's rights, he was not doing anything that was actively insulting, and he was not affecting the lives of anyone else in either a negative or positive way.

      I'd say it is pretty damn rude, ignorant, selfish, pointless and bigoted for the people jeering him to do as they did though. You know that if he bothered to heckle any Christian praying on the street like he was that his ass would have been kicked six ways from Sunday.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • Varex_Sythe
  • TheAmbivalante
  • samthesixth
    • 0
      samthesixth  
    • TheAmbivalante:

      Pointing out that an intolerant crowd that tends to engage in violence in these types of situations but did not in this particular case violates the golden rule how? I am not seeking argument with you. I was asking an honest questions and making truthful posts. However, you have attributed positions to me that I do not hold. People are free to slam me all day, but the only way this criticism on this issue would hold true is if my remarks were either 1) taken out of context or 2) have meaning that was unintended by my word choice.

      Either way, it is still true, and somewhat remarkable, that these bigoted idiots did not engage in physical violence. When you first watched the clip, isn't that were you felt these imbeciles were going?

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
  • EdJoyProductions
  • AJILIVIZION
  • EdJoyProductions
  • tlbuffin
  • UtopianSky
  • simplecj
  • PeteLeS33
    • +4
      PeteLeS33  
    • All monotheistic religions are counter productive. God gives you free will, but if you use it you have commited a sin and will burn in HELL. God gives you desires, but if you act on them you have commited sin and will definately burn in HELL. God gives you emotions and the ability to act on them, but if you do you will abosuletly go to HELL. The rediculousness of this teaching is pretty much why I don't believe.

      I do see that the teaching that is shown in the video is the US vs. THEM philosophy.

      We, (christians) who believe our way is the ONLY way, are the good guys.
      They, (thoes that worship differently that us), are the bad guys that must be destroyed.
      Unless we CONVERT them to OUR ways. If we can't then THEY are not human and are of no consequence to us.

      This is the teaching that turned me away from religion altogether. There is only compassion and understanding within the group. Anyone out side of the group is considered inhuman or the OTHER, and therefore until THEY become more like US, FIRST, we need not be considerate, compassionate, or understanding of THEM.

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
    • +4
      ozoneocean  
    • PeteLeS33:

      Actually, ALL tribalism works that way. How many times have you heard on the news about a disaster in a foreign country and then the reporter goes on to assure viewers that "No US citizens were harmed" or some such? Every country does that.

      That's not an issue specific to any religion, religions are just a reflection of human nature and broader human culture.

    • 1 year ago
  • Ophiuchus
    • +3
      Ophiuchus  
    • If everyone took the time to google the 29th Canon, they would begin to understand who runs the church. When man changes God's commandment, like the 4th Commandment, it should raise a red flag in the old brain. If anyone wants to know how these 'Christian Jerks' operated, just google the book of 'The Gospel of Philip' and he lays it out by saying "They took the good names......". This is why it has been said, "In the end (millennium) most all will be deceived."

    • 1 year ago
  • sharin
  • Nancy_J_Powell
  • ozoneocean
    • +4
      ozoneocean  
    • Good on you man!
      I'm not a believer myself, but I don't begrudge those who are. Live and let live is the tenant I try to live by.
      To each their own.

    • 1 year ago
  • sharin
    • +3
      sharin  
    • ozoneocean:

      existenitalism - I'm with you there
      an ism at which my Christian fundamentalist, wrongwing, fox fan older sister sneers and tells me there is only one way to heaven - though the gospel
      iiiiieeeeeuuuuuuu

    • 1 year ago
  • EmileZ
    • +3
      EmileZ [removed]  
    • I would have done like Jesus and told those assholes off.

      I like Jesus... The Sermon on the Mount is good stuff.

      (is it just me or are you attempting to set a commenter up with the opportunity to say... "Jesus thinks you're a jerk")

    • 1 year ago
  • jennilamb007
    • 0
      jennilamb007  
    • Honestly, I probably would have cried at the sight of someone being harrassed and insulted in the name of Jesus. I would be angry enough to shout and maybe wish I could beat the stuffing out of Rev. Fonzie and his Redneck Brigade but the problem is that just feeds the irrational behavior and it would only add to the noise. I realize that Jesus would turn the other cheek and I have to remember that it is what I would be obliged to do. I believe that someday these people will meet God and they will be turned away and told to prepare for the devil and his angels for their blasphemy and for being doers of iniquity. Matthew 7: 21-23

    • 1 year ago
  • chivideoguy
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      chivideoguy  
    • Well the Christian thing to do would be to defend the man from these "Christians" and get out of there. If there's one thing I learned when I went through preschool through high school in a religious school it's that you can't change the opinion of a "hardcore Christian". Even if you provide valid points for your position they come up with a defense that has more holes in it than swiss cheese. I'm still a Christian, but honestly, the crazy ones are making consider switching to Buddhism

    • 1 year ago
  • postlapsaria
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      postlapsaria  
    • chivideoguy:

      yup. that was my problem too.

      when i had finally decided within myself that i wasn't religious anymore, when i was prepared to disagree and discuss with a religious person, the guy i had my first "why do you believe in the bible" talk with had such blinders on.

      he said, "the bible is just SO perfect, for example, in the old testament they talk about the coming of Jesus, hundreds of years before his birth, how would they have known?... only God can make something so flawless." and i realized then, i'll just shut up, inside i thought, "or people who write it in the middle ages and edit the shit out of it."

      now i just nod along and let them do their christian duty of trying to have me accept jesus as my savior.

    • 1 year ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • postlapsaria:

      IMO, a distinction has to be made between "fundamentalist" and "evangelical" Christians, and other Christians.

      It sounds like this Muslim man encountered fundamentalist and/or evangelical Christians, which is why they were able to act in such an "un-Christian" way towards him.

      One can be a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian only if your brain is able to tolerate--indeed, embrace--cognitive dissonance. Example: The Christians in the story say they are Christians, yet ignore one of the major teachings in the Bible: Judge not lest ye be judged, because only God has the right and power to judge others.

      Cognitive dissonance is a natural process of feeling uncomfortable when we are trying to believe in two conflicting ideas or tenants at the same time. The Bible is full of stories and concepts, such as the virgin birth and the world being created in 7 days, that today's non-fundamentalist thinking person find very hard, to impossible, to believe.

      Fundamentalists and evangelicals believe that, fundamentally, the Bible, as they interpret it, is right. Therefore, everything else must be wrong. This breeds the cognitive dissonant battle between "the Bible is fundamentally right," the Bible teaching of judge not lest ye be judged, and the fundamentalist's belief they have the right and duty to be intolerant of other ways of belief and actions.

      The danger in fundamentalism and evangelicalism is that the followers will often transfer the Bible's supposed fundamentally correct concepts to a person (preacher). Then, whatever the preacher interprets the Bible as saying becomes fundamentally true, even when the preacher is obviously is advocating two very conflicting precepts.

      Rightwing politicians have learned to use this preacher-transfer fundamentalism with great success. The politicochristian celebrities, such as Falwell, Robertson and Dobson, have built huge empires using it. Dobson continues to pimp his "gay-choice" dogma, even though some of the "recovered" gays who are leaders in Dobson's gay-choice outreach have been unable to sustain their "choice" to not be gay for very long at all.

      The one big difference between fundamentalists and evangelicals is that fundamentalists have traditionally been more antagonistic and separatist in regard to working with other types of Christians and other religions. Their approach is very like one of the danger signs of a cult: where they form exclusionary groups which promote an "us versus them" mentality. Evangelicals are known for their outreach programs and need to "spread the word."

      This group of Christians has the right to hold public gatherings, and the Muslim has the right to join in. The Christians have the right to speak their beliefs and opinions, and the Muslim has the right to speak his.

      It seems both sides were, IMO, either looking for a confrontation, or at least were cognizant that a confrontation may develop. And it did.

      How this benefits either the Christian or Muslim religions is completely beyond me to understand, except that the Christians may have made a martyr out of a Muslim.

    • 1 year ago
  • postlapsaria
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      postlapsaria  
    • does christianity also teach irony?
      how is this white bearded ban going to be upset at the brown bearded man while holding a 'jesus loves you' sign... ONLY jesus loves him, not you?

      I can't read the crowd though, some seem open minded to islam (the one guy thanking god) and then they seem like they want the muslim guy to "come back" (which i'm fine with, i understand they feel their duty in being christian is spread the gospel, so do ya thing shawty) and then there's just the generic angry people trying to disrupt his prayer.

      what exactly where the motivations of these people i wonder, or was it a grab bag of jesus lovers?

    • 1 year ago
  • Persecuted
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      Persecuted  
    • this is deplorable... i'm not a christian but i will pray that these people actually do find the jesus they are looking for... because the one they have found didnt make an impact

    • 1 year ago
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  • samthesixth
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • samthesixth:

      Why does it matter, Sam? Does a person have to have a certain religion before their opinion is acceptable?

      What matters is whether you agree with Persecuted's opinion or not.

      Besides, that's really a personal question, no?

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • PoliticalAmazon:

      I agree with the sentiment behind your questions. Persecuted has posted many anti organized religion comments. Above they state "i'm not a christian but i will pray that these people actually do find the jesus they are looking for...." That made me curious, without being judgmental in any way, as to who or what Persecuted was referring to when talking bout praying.

    • 1 year ago
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