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Naomi Klein, author of "The Shock Doctrine" interviewed on Rachel Maddow

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72 comments // Naomi Klein, author of "The Shock Doctrine" interviewed on Rachel Maddow

  • crystalman
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      crystalman  
    • Liberal ideologues like Klein and Maddow hate power, whether it is malign or benign. They want to redistribute power from the powerful to the powerless. They oppose power for the sake of opposing it, making no moral distinction between the good or the bad power or whether the powerful exercise their power in a way that can be rationally and reasonably justified. They side with the weak and not the strong, even if the strong are benign and the weak are malign.

      America, as the world's most powerful country, can never do any good, even though it is the world's most powerful liberal democracy, the largest donor of overseas aid and it defeated both Nazism and Communism. Because the West is the world's most powerful cultural and economic group, can safely be blamed for all the world's ills, even though it is largely responsible for the worldwide spread of prosperity, democracy and scientific advance. In Klein's ideology, multinational corporations are condemned as the oppressor's of the world's poor, rather than seen as engines of global economic growth with vast job-creating investments in the world's poorest countries, pushing up wages and transferring knowledge.

      Automatically opposing the powerful and supporting the powerless means that when presented with a new issue, liberal fascists like Klein must decide not what is right or wrong,malign or benign, true or untrue, but who is the most powerful and who is the less powerful. The process is:

      1. Identify the victim
      2. Support them and their interests, irrespective of any other factors.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
    • +1
      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • A nightmare, as horrific as any written, has officially become our new reality!

      What else does it require for all of us to acknowledge that we have been gamed off of the board. We are lying in the coffin of political enslavement, with all but the lid being nailed closed.

      When one government leader has the ability to declare the equivalent of martial law, and completely dissolve your very community, and every feature thereof, we unquestionably live in a dictatorship, whether governed by one corporation or a dozen. It doesn't matter, it's the same total domination.

      Coupled with tonight's MSNBC commenter asserting that corporate right's master planner, is attempting to provoke a retaliatory response to the nationwide effort to take away union rights, civil rights and legislative due process, which in the least will be used as propaganda in the next elections; if they will still be held, and better yet, justify the calling out of militia, all traditional methods of redress have already been countered and blocked. it seems to have been plotted out long ago.

      At this very moment, when the wrecking ball of destruction is crashing through our house of notions, of what we have believed our lives and government to be, and forcing us to reform our understanding of our personal and national lives, we must ask ourselves, are any of the former game rules still valid. If we act and proceed as we always believed that we should, will that change the direction that we are being shoved in, by even one degree?

      This is a question that each and every one of us must answer for ourselves. Because, while history is replete with examples of the victimized and oppressed being forced into self preserving action, we, as a modern generation, have not even faced a foreign invasion, let alone one from within our own country. But what we do together, now, MAY, only MAY, affect what will happen to us now, and how it will happen. Maybe, we still have choice, but maybe, choice has passed us by.

    • 1 year ago
  • simplecj
  • congoboy
  • crystalman
  • Andrew_Homer
    • +1
      Andrew_Homer  
    • There's a further claim no one but ME has made so far. The trashing of the national economy was by Republicans. Everyone knows that the mortgage business is associated with sub-prime loans hoisted upon borrowers who qualified for conventional loans. Guess the political affiliation of those loan I officers???

      There's a new Federal law requiring mortgage workers to: 1) be licensed and 2) take a core of 20-hours of courses and get 80% correct on the end of class exams PLUS take a state monitored summary exam. In all the 30+ hours of mortgage classes I took in Albuquerque from November 2009 through March 2010, I was the ONLY left-of-center student in each class!!!

      So, Maddow and Klein are completely correct. The trashing of the economy was fabricated so as to sabotage the American government and to do what sociopaths only know to do: hurt people and take away their civil rights.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
    • +2
      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • Andrew_Homer:

      In addition, Mr. Homer, Greenspan was thoroughly apprised of the developing mortgage/housing crisis & bubble, well before it swelled, by a then leading and independent international financial advisory firm, with details of how the bubble would burst if it were allowed to form, and of the devastating, widespread consequences. On point with your assertions, Greenspan not only chose to ignore those warnings from a firm that advised the Swiss government on their banking, but to actually foster it's fruition. And there are still those who mockingly laugh at conspiracy theorists?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Andrew_Homer:

      Everyone knows that the mortgage business is associated with sub-prime loans hoisted upon borrowers who qualified for conventional loans. Guess the political affiliation of those loan I officers???...you can give democrats the credit for that one. barney frank ring any bells?

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • NC54
    • +3
      NC54  
    • what a vast difference between brilliant progressive women...
      and the shallow tarts of the tea party

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Anthony40
    • +3
      Anthony40  
    • The puppet masters on the right will not be satisfied until they have created a sort of a 3rd world corporate United States of America. Corporations and the master of the universe types that run them are only looking for more greed and more greed. They care less about the people they are crushing day by day and more about their money overseas growing and growing. How do we change this?

      Take Money out of Politics. Find a way to publicly fund elections once and for all. It can be done it has to be done so our elected officials are not just pawns of the uber rich.

      Bring back Truth in News. If the Democrats take back the house and gain more control in the senate in 2012 since the republicans are now seen for what they truly are all across this country, the first thing they should do is push a bill that re-establishes the need to tell the truth always for news organizations. Bye bye Fox News. Maybe then people will become educated and FORCE the republican party back to the center.

      TAX THE RICH!! TAX THE RICH!!! TAX THE RICH!!! Michael Moore is SOO RIGHT! This country has a BOAT LOAD of cash but its sitting on the balance books of major corporations and hedge fund managers and hidden overseas. Take out the loopholes in the tax system and make the rich pay their fair share! Guess what? Universal healthcare.. paid for. Deficit.. closed. Yes cut programs that need to be slashed.. Military.. fix our entitlements.. But fix them in a way that cuts out waste and fraud and abuse. Not in a way that cuts benefits. Stop subsidies for the Oil companies.. WHY? are we still giving them billions? Why??

      If these three things are not done.. this country is going to be headed for a free fall. And although we the people may make stands here and there.. ultimately the Uber rich will just figure out a new way to screw us over... After all they have the Think Tanks they fund with millions of dollars to find ways to screw us over. What we need to fight that is step 2.. Truth in News.. So we are not fooled by their tricks when we go to vote.

      Just my two cents..
      Just another Keith Olberman fan who will be getting Dish Network in order to Watch my new favorite site.. Current Tv.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • crystalman
    • -9
      crystalman  
    • Klein is a victim of her own arrogance and intellectual dishonesty. And she is not speaking on behalf of Americans who are successful, the achievers, the pursuers of happiness, the money makers, the entrepreneurs. The irony of course is that she is a member and product of that world, a middle class bourgeois, privileged and rich. Her ideology is rooted in self hatred. She is a hypocrite and a fraud. Like an authentic leftard, she bites the hand that feeds her. She is an ingrate.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demonlogic
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      Demonlogic  
    • crystalman:

      You have got to be the loneliest person and your own worst enemy. Your arrogance towards the people is a sign of who you really are. I bet you always think about yourself before anyone else. Your world consists of me first, me second. Screw the poor and the less fortunate. You believe the corporate bureaucracy is the best thing? That thanks to the corporations we can just eliminate the lower class or as the classic anarchist call it the scum of the earth?
      Thanks to Naomi Klein and others who really care for the well being of the less fortunate people, who try to bring the truth behind the corporate corruption to help the people's choice to free elections, she hates herself? That makes no sense. You have the guts to call her a hypocrite and fraud. Look at yourself and take a quick assessment of who really you are. Then you can make the distinction about good ( Naomi Klein) or Evil. And think about how you define yourself when you make the comparison about Hypocrites and frauds. You are the Fraud and the hypocrite. Step down to reality. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that we have to bow to the elite for screwing up the real world and stepping all over the ordinary people. This is a two party system not a corporate Monarchy. This is Not about the Left or Right, this is about the United States of America and it's future.

    • 1 year ago
  • macchugsid
    • +4
      macchugsid  
    • crystalman:

      Your assessment of Ms. Klein is based on what? Do you know her personally? An ingrate you say? I don't believe you truly know what the word means. Unless you know her personally how could you know she is ungrateful? Your opinion is based on her desire to help those of us that may not be as wealthy as she and that makes her ungrateful?I would venture to say that she is most grateful for her position and does not see it as a means to take advantage or subjugate peoples less fortunate than she. This is not a bad thing, it shows that she truly appreciates her position in life and wishes to do good.
      These achievers of which you speak would have nothing if not for those that do the actual labor. A point that seems to lost on the likes of you and them. It is all about taking and giving back nothing but crumbs. Either you are one of them or you are just a rube who has been suckered by them. Either way you have my pity.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • neocongo
  • congoboy
  • Slingingstones
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • MizPiz
  • congoboy
  • Arizona_Huey
    • +2
      Arizona_Huey  
    • Wow - who would have thought electing extreme right wing tea bagging Republicans would have resulted in this type of economic chaos and destruction. I hate to say it but for electing this lunatics - you deserve everything you get. Sadly, those of us who actually can see beyond the corporate sponsored elections have to suffer through this as well.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • galwayman
    • +1
      galwayman  
    • This is corporatism run amok! No way should this be allowed to occur it's Unconstitutional and does away with democracy wholesale! Further it is exactly what the elite wants to happen rule directly by them! I say HELL NO!

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
    • -10
      crystalman  
    • Klein is a spokesperson for identity politics.

      Identity politics revolve around the narrative of victimization. For adherents to identity politics, the victim is not a person, but a member of a privileged victim group. That is, the status of victimhood is not determined by facts, but by membership in an identity group. Stories about victims are not dictated by facts. Victim stories are tailored to fit the victim. Facts, values and individual responsibility are all irrelevant.

      In light of this, a person’s membership in specific victim groups is far more important than his behavior. And there is a clear pecking order of victimhood in identity politics.

      Anti-American Third World national, religious and ethnic groups are at the top of the victim food chain. They out-victim everyone else.

      After them come the Western victims: Racial minorities, women, homosexuals, children and animals.

      Israelis, Jews, Americans, white males and rich people are the predetermined perpetrators. No matter how badly they are victimized, ideologues like Klein will go to heroic lengths to ignore, underplay or explain away their suffering.

      In cases when victim groups are attacked by victim groups – for instance when Iraqis were attacked by Saddam, or Palestinians are attacked by the PA, Klein and her clones ignore the story.

    • 1 year ago
  • virgoraising
  • neocongo
  • ahiguy
  • crystalman
    • -11
      crystalman  
    • ''It is very eye-opening (and depressing).''

      Yes Naomi Klein is very depressing. What's to like? She's a Marxist and a freedom-hating parasite, spitting on the system that makes her rich and comfortable...capitalism. She is a typical champagne socialist who detests progress and wealth and yet enjoys all its benefits. She is the latest in a long line of self-hating Jews from Marx and Trotsky to Chumpsky and Finkelstein.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demonlogic
    • +7
      Demonlogic  
    • crystalman:

      The Truth is difficult for some people to swallow.
      Naomi Klein is absolutely correct!!
      Education is the key to fact and truth.
      Sounds to me like you are against Good and truth and that you are for the corporate
      brain washing you get from Fox Fake News.
      Pretty sad for you. But I like your dog. Too bad you don't have that beautiful dogs Intelligence!! Go and fetch more Fox Lies!!

    • 1 year ago
  • neocongo
  • treewolf39
  • noxidereus
  • Funky
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  • Autisticmatt
  • Incredulous
  • Schnookums
    • +7
      Schnookums  
    • That's really all that needs to be said.......these guys [Republicans] don't really believe in the government they are being elected to run.

      It's a mystery to me, then, why people keep electing them!

    • 1 year ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
    • +1
      pissedoffinarkansas  
    • Schnookums:

      Because they are stupid enough to believe these assholes when they start spouting their bullshit about being "just a regular American, just like you!" I actually heard one of these jerk-offs call themselves "poor" and ask Micheal Moore for money because "he is the rich one". How absurd is that?!

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
    • +11
      Leen61  
    • I saw this last night. Naomi Klein is one of the best. I love seeing her on TV every chance I get. She needs to be heard. I've read her book "The Shock Doctrine." Scary stuff. You bet all these radical agendas by these right wing governors are all about privatizing everything. This country is a plutocracy. I know how well privatizing works....Walker was the Milwaukee County Exec before becoming governor. He slashed everything of importance. Now he wants to finish the job as governor. But as Naomi and Rachel mentioned, Wisconsinites aren't going to let that happen. We're busting our butts to save our state. I'm glad Naomi mentioned rallys and people power and that she was heartened by it. I was at a local rally yesterday and I'll be in Madison Saturday. Thanks Naomi and Rachel for giving WI a heads up to our efforts.

    • 1 year ago
  • LISTENTHEFUCKUP
  • neocongo
  • BenjaminDover
    • +4
      BenjaminDover  
    • "Go to where the money is."
      Perfect way to solve all problems facing this nation, tax it from the rich or we will take it along with some heads.

    • 1 year ago
  • PeteLeS33
  • neocongo
    • +3
      neocongo  
    • Excellent clip treewolf. Naomi Klein is phenomenal and has been on top of disaster capitalism issues for years, which is really privatization of pretty much everything by the party of greed. Sorry about the all caps below, but that was an important distinction. The two have been confused for each other for years.

    • 1 year ago
  • neocongo
    • +1
      neocongo  
    • THIS IS A CREDIBLE NAOMI KLEIN, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH LO-CRED,CONSPIRATORIAL NAOMI WOLFE. Thank you and have a pleasant today.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
    • -1
      treewolf39  
    • neocongo:

      I am still undecided about Naomi Wolfe. I am starting to see some of her predictions being played out in the leadership of the house of representatives. This emergency powers thing is also in line with her lectures. As religious people become poor we may start to see some really strange behavior and we know the party of hate will be there to exploit it.

    • 1 year ago
  • neocongo
    • +1
      neocongo  
    • treewolf39:

      Did you see the clip where Naomi Wolfe was convinced GW Bush was going to override posse comitatus and institute martial law as it was the end of his 2nd term? She looked sadly insane, with her hair all whacked out. Ranting on her listenerless radio station. It was obviously a deluded manic episode. Many many people with bipolar disorder can do the same things anyone else can if the treat or otherwise manage their illness. She does not. She feeds it. It is her muse.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
    • +1
      treewolf39  
    • neocongo:

      I did not see that one. I am familiar with some of her earlier lectures after she published her book. I will have to check her out again to see if she really is off her rocker. I am a builder and I end up working for many people who watch Beck and love Fox. I find Wolfe rather tame in comparison. I will see if she has anything fresh and get back to you.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
  • crystalman
  • Progresshiv
  • treewolf39
  • Progresshiv
  • treewolf39
  • Progresshiv
    • +7
      Progresshiv  
    • treewolf39:

      Exactly. Michael Moore's March 5 speech in Wisconsin, "America is Not Broke," has stayed with me. The thought that 400 Americans possess the equivalent wealth of 155,000,000 of the rest of us COMBINED makes my blood boil. I have to remind myself to laugh in order not to cry. I saw a great cartoon in The New Yorker last year: one camel says to the other camel, "You'll never make it through the eye of a needle with that ass."

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
    • +4
      tommic  
    • Progresshiv:

      The perversion of capitalism, plain and simple, bring back confiscatory tax rates on the uber rich of 80% over say 15 million a year and a redistribution of wealth becomes a reality

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • noxidereus
  • Progresshiv
    • +4
      Progresshiv  
    • Leen61:

      Those who hoard such wealth remind me of the character of Mr. Creosote in "Monty Python's Meaning of Life," a despicable glutton who crams food into his sloppy maw until he explodes.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
    • +5
      JanforGore  
    • Progresshiv:

      Amen to that. Especially when a report just came out stating that 25% of children in this country now live in poverty as states pull away funding from education and the programs that actually help children in this country. We are ABANDONING this generation and the next while leaving them to pay for our wars and I will not blame them when they desert us. It is a travesty to see any child in this country go to bed hungry, uneducated, or fearing their environment may well kill them. And I also agree with your first comment. Until we get up off our butts and start chasing these bastards through the streets and demanindg justice, an interview is just an interview.

    • 1 year ago
  • Progresshiv
    • +4
      Progresshiv  
    • JanforGore:

      As you well know, this gutting of social programs has all been planned since the 1980s when the George Wallace-types decided they'd rather destroy the country than live without absolute control over it. It is a pathological political movement that slyly disguises the moral character of Hutus murdering Tutsis; instead of machetes, the Right is using lies. I've had my fill of it, and I wish the cowardly racists, homophobes, religious nuts, and militarists nothing but misery.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • Progresshiv
  • Leen61
  • treewolf39
  • JanforGore
  • treewolf39
    • +1
      treewolf39  
    • JanforGore:

      And until we get over this war mentality we can never really protect the environment. I am forever hopeful because I see so many beautiful people standing together. This may be our greatest opportunity to educate and change Americas direction, though so many are still unaware of the union busting being played out. Willfully uninformed!

    • 1 year ago
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