You Can't Vote Them Out If You Can't Vote

Great comment, voted up!

That is not a solution unless you plan on a massive education campaign; highlighting the similarities between the parties and how they vote. Religion rears its ugly head come election time; every-time. The vote is controlled by Fear, Faith, and Pocketbook!

I think a better solution would be to make it a law that everyone has to vote. One person one vote. Oregon mail in ballets are an awesome way to vote. Zero pressure and time to really become informed about the implications of a measure or the motives of a candidate. No waiting in line or need to drive to a voting booth.

Yes, the Reps are well trained provocateurs. Right wingers all have their undies in a bundle over the way Wisconsinites are putting true democracy to work in Madison. They can't counteract it by winning the straightforward debate so they try diversionary tactics to sway public opinion. They are getting frustrated that it's not working this time. It's scaring them and making them take even more desperate and despicable actions. The people of WI have to stay united, know when it is a dirty trick coming out of the Karl Rove playbook and just give the democracy haters the big middle finger. If the proresters stay peaceful and Walker sends in the riot police, it will be so blatantly obvious who the source of the violence is, just as it was in Egypt. You can't fool all of the people all of the time and that's a bitter pill for the right wing echo chamber to swallow.

Well said.

Thanks, ReMarker.

Good post. It's good to hear truth.

have you checked out the hacker proof internet voting proposal of Revolution 2.? It seems very viable to me.

Thank you.

No Common. To be honest, I never heard of it.

Thanks Common!

Name one case where an illegal alien or dead person, voted?

Aren't these pathetic right wing boogeymen stories getting a little moldy. The stink is starting to rise off them they're so yesterday's dead horse.

Go to Chicago and make the challenge. Even the Democrats will chuckle. There's a reasn why it's nicknamed Crook County.

I don't see any national ramifications to Wisconsin in terms of the right losing momentum. It is possible the unions may have saved their tails to die another day. The far left is a small minority. A majority of voters see them as extreme as the far right. I know plenty of Democrats. Some are friends and family. They are far removed from the extreme fringe I often see on this site.

You sound frightened, WM. That is when irrational, factless drivel starts flying faster and more furious. The trouble with you of the ill-informed, head-in-the-sand, only read the FOX headlines crowd is that the moderates and independents are joining with the liberals as they are seeing that they at least have a soul inside their bodies and they possess heartfelt conviction. Empty suits like you aren't very attrractive to most living, breathing individuals. This was the wake up call for the masses and you will soon find that out. You of course are free to believe what you want to, because your ilk has been controlling the show the last 30 years. But, people are starting to see you for what you are. Whores to the ultra-rich. Is the blood rushing to your head from all the time you spend bent over to pay your respects to your masters?

You speak so, hmm, poetically. You have my vote for being the best.

Thank you. I'm honored. (blushing)

Liberal rules: When the truth hurts, lash out. I have nothing to fear and no master to answer to due to the path I took after high school. I can only guess you're angry from taking the path of tyranny where a union controls your destiny and you must bow to them.

You live by such a double standard it's getting amusing. All you do when you come here is lash out at your favorite targets, the dreaded LIBERAL. It's you that can't handle a simple rebuttal. If you think that every time you are dressed down you have to play the L card that's pretty wussy. Toughen up or you're going to get a lot of bruises.

I don't belong to a union, bright boy. I just know what great things the unions have done for this country and we can all thank them for. Including you. Where do you get your inspiration from? Counting your money? Unions don't require anyone to bow to them. They have been about raising the standard of all working people and since the unions have been under assault, all working people have suffered. But you elite fucks wouldn't know about that. You should read up on it some time. My brother-in-law is a proud member of the Steelworkers Union and they are just one of the many that have made this country great, you ingrate.

Wow. You really think Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Michael Eisner are card carrying liberals? You have a pretty shaky definition of the word liberal. I saw you claim in another post that liberals are in the minority, but you seem to see one under every rock. I think that's called paranoia. You should see a doctor about that.

I don't dread liberals. I enjoy pointing out the fallacies of their thinking and debating. And I don't insult posters. DIsagreeing is not an insult. In my view I haven't been dressed down once. I figure insults are when the other party has run out of intelligent points to post. When I see insults I figure the other side has surrendered the debate.

I get my inspiration from the desire to succeed whether it's professionally or personally. I'm positive the money I've provided to charity has done far more good than where my taxes have gone.

Is there are reading comprehension issue? Where did I say liberal? Maddow was saying the billionaires are on the right. Off the top of my head I posted as many billionaires as I could think of who make sizable donations and have influence as members of the Democratic party.

That's a paltry army to put against every major exploitive corporation funding corporate right.

p.s. to the degree that dems have practiced such, it's one page from the entire book of republican fraud, and repubs probably have 10 dead voters for every 1 the dems might have. it's the repub way to throw their dirt on everyone else's house.

While I don't necessarily agree with your point of view....

The point goes to you in the pot shot department. Argue opinions, if you can't do that don't post.

And if you have spent any time at all on this site, you have seen the extreme fringe. Here they are. I never voted for George Bush, I don't watch Fox, I don't even know who Koch is. I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and would again. But any dissenting opinion and you are a Fox watching neocon racist schilling for the corporations. Welcome to Current.

A case where dead people voted? Come to Memphis. The Ford family has the largest funeral home. And Harold Sr. was a congressman for years, Harold Jr. was a congressman and ran for US Senate, John was a state senator, after he went to jail his sister Ophelia took his seat, Joe was county mayor, Joe Jr. was on the county commission, the Ford family run the city of Memphis. Edmund was on the city counsil until he was caught taking bribes, now Edmund Jr. holds the seat. And it all started because they own the largest funeral home in town.

I asked for one actual documented case. Not ask in Chicago.

Here, here! I can guarantee you yor donations to charity have done more good than any money that has gone to the government.

You know nothing of unions, shut your mouth. You act as though we are slaves to our respective unions, you dumb ass we the members are the unions. Our unions can't do anything without our approval, its all a democratic process, our ELECTED business agents (who make no more than we the members do) negotiate for our contracts and we the members vote on whether or not we agree with negotiated contract, contract votes are a majority rule, Meetings are run in a parliamentary procedure, we all can see the bills, we even vote before paying bills, we ALL know where our money goes(politically, charitable, financially, educationally, death benefits and bills every dollar is accounted for), We donate thousands of hours worth of labor each year to low income elderly people and churches(In my case Im a plumber), we donate money to numerous charities, we are the highest trained in our fields (excellence in training and education) we have licenses for things our non signatory counterparts have never heard of. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SO QUIT BEING A DICK.

So why do you feel so dead set on keeping hardworking middle class people from achieving their American dream. To you they are scum who don't deserve the same privileges of life you have achieved. How many children have you taught? How many people have you pulled from burning buildings? But you speak of these good people with derision. What is wrong with you? You have a serious psychological defect to be against these people. Like most of the GOP have. You hate all mankind that don't belong to the same political party as you or has the same personal worth as you do. Inspiration? Oh puh-lese. And you right-wingers don't have a problem that the bulk of your taxes go to fight unprovoked, illegal wars. Yeah, tell me how high a moral standard you have. But I donate to charity! Is that your way of justifying all of your other heinous beliefs and hatred for your fellow man? And don't deny that you don't. You make that very well known here on a regular basis. So take your empty words and stow them.

I don't have a comprehension issue, you have a writing issue. If they are supposedly donating the bulk of their money to Dems, which I still don't beleve that to be true of Buffett, Gates and especially Eisner (he's as right wing as they come as CEO of Disney), they would mean they support a more liberal agenda. That would be highly unbelievable. I'll use your tactic of unsubstantiated facts here that you deal in on a regular basis. I would tend to believe Maddow over your claims, because she has proven to be a lot more factual than you ever will.

I agree with you. The unions are not creating debt. Unions bargain for the right of the people. This was all about 2012. Unions stand for the Demacratic Party.i have three family members that are teachers and now they will pay because of these stupid Republican governors.

It's all political. It has nothing to do with budget considerations. The only financial aspect is crippling the Democratic fund raising apparatus.

I think you just gave him a big bruise.

I hope so. Right on his ego.

-Vd

Once again, you manage to bring BS to a banquet! Here's my opinion! Only assholes, racists, KKK members, crooks, liars, and kiddie diddlers vote for republicans! Republicans are the real clowns in America! HAHAHAHA!

Oh look an American Hypocrite back again to waste air and talk BS oh th esky is falling people want to exercise their rights God forbid right Patty cake

A couple of notes. KKK formed by democrats. And Crooks and kiddie diddlers, like maddow said Felons vote democrat. Oh yeah racist, there are far more racist in the democrat party.

I don't understand your post. Can you translate?

Can you supply some evidence of that?

And all of the dead voters are republicans! Whats worse

The interesting thing about this story is that it is happening on the state level so national media is not covering it. If not for Rachel, I would have no idea what these state legislatures were up to. Now with the tsunami I expect even less to be heard in the next weeks; but government in these states will still be passing and signing laws.

Yes, and one state at a time adds up to a nation.

the media won't cover this story they are owned by the elite! The all out attack on workers rights is well underway,blaming the recession on the worker when the greed of the elite is to blame!

If one voice can change A ROOM

Then it can change A CITY

If it can change a city

Then it can change A STATE

If it can change a state

Then it can change A NATION

Author---Barack Obama

Possibly. But where is an actual Mahatma Gandhi? It isn't Obama.

He's as close as we have.

I believe that WE are all we have. Even if Obama wanted to do significant things, he can't do much, he wont' risk doing some, and he seems to be slow on the trigger with the one option left. Even though I voted for him, I believe he missed his golden op when dems ruled congress.

I believe he wanted to do significant things. Health care was one of them. Even when the dems ruled congress he couldn't get what he wanted. it took a year to get what he did.Partly because some dems wouldn't back him. Then when dems tried to have town hall meeting, the tea party wouldn't let them speak. Death panals scared people. Their are some good things in the bill he got, if not repealed.Perhaps he spent to much time on H.C.
Then all the filibusters hurt him. Now with the new house he will have more problems. He got a lot done in the lame duck, but I hated he had to give an extention of tax cuts to the rich so he could save tax cuts for middle class, extend unemployment. I don't know what two more years will bring, but will vote for him in 2012. Changing parties is not always a good idea, as the states are proving..

I agree with you. Yet, I am convinced that WE must independently act aggressively, to even empower those who do want to change and reform government. There simply isn't enough movement from our perspective, to fuel the change we both want and desperately need! We have to act. God has given us the ability to do so, and it is up to us whether we squander that opportunity or not. It will take a great and mighty force, to counter the force of money which is aligned against us.

I voted you up, not because I believe everything you say, but you did agree with me---a little. Money has always ruled politics. Our vote gets rid of gov. we don't like.

Is this what we were told we were voting for? How much of this shit had been revealed before voting time?

Of coarse not. No one in their right mind would elect someone who ran on what they're doing. But that's democracy. That's politics. That is the way the system is setup. Next time around, because of what they're doing, things will be very different. That is, of coarse, if the democrats will ever learn how to play the new age political game and get up to date.

You do understand the whole point of it is to keep Republicans in office by limiting Democratic voters right? So on what are you basing your guess?

Sarcasm dude. Sarcasm.

None of it was revealed. They wouldn't have won if they told voters the truth
about their "agendas" before the primaries.

This is what happens when you stay home and don't vote!

Yep

They are definitely playing hard ball and the umpire has been tranquilized. The masses have been mesmerized, and power is being centralized. The end is not yet finalized!

OhoHH! I had no idea you were so poetic! That's fantastic! Thx

I used to write in high school, then life happened and work and more work. I am just starting to come out of a reclusive shell. I would have loved being a song writer, but alas I just borrow other's songs.

ahh,,, but now you are applying your talents to one of the most noble causes throughout history. And that, is more worthy of praise than the alternative. One never knows what events may turn on their words alone.

I like words way better then bullets!

Always the better route. But when all words possible have been spoken, and the frontal and rear assault continue against us, what should we do now?

General strike!!!! Tax the rich at 75%!!!!! If they don't like that go for 90%. They threaten to move to another country but they won't. No other country can offer what America has in the way of resource and protection for THEIR preferred way of life.

If they choose to move, we can still go after our money!

We could do that while they are still here. I live in an very rural place where the population has never had as much money as was brought by the housing bubble. There is a utter and complete lack of political involvement here by liberals except on environmental issues. South down the Oregon coast there were anti-war protesters that frequented a main intersection of the coast highway but our numbers make us inconsequential in politics and many unions were broken up in early 2000-2001. Portland has the largest population and rules the politics of the State even though the capitol is Salem. Idaho has similar population issues.

The great lakes area, on the other hand needs to act. I think they should start protesting at their local T.V and radio stations because, in the end, it is the media that is failing to communicate the issues properly; or even at all.