White House wants new copyright law crackdown

I was going to say that... voted up!

Or; "hey lets's have an emergency meeting about NPR funding because there is nothing better to do these days. Where the f7ck do they get these guys?

The music industry has evolved around the problem anyway. Artists are making their money from endorsements these days.

Haha, what are you a paid poster for the RIAA?

"It's no different than if you build a house, or a car and someone just takes it from you."

No it's not, it's nothing like it. A more proper analogy would be if you built your house and someone *copied* it.

Theft requires a physical removal of something you own. Filesharing is just copying something someone else owns.

"If I started providing downloads of "The Beatles" music for free, or at a price that would be stealing."

By this same reasoning, so would playing a song to a group of people on your speakers.

You're "providing something for free to people that don't own it."

"I have had one piece of commercial software pirated, and it cost me millions.
The culprits got away with it due to lax enforcement of copyright laws."

Double-bullshit. You can't prove the first premise without imaginary appeals to perceived sales, at all, and for the second sentence, the "culprits" would be anyone who partook in the piracy. Plus, since ANYONE who BOUGHT your software could literally do the same thing, anyone could "get away with it" immediately after you released it.

"Do I get to sell it or is it tough titties for me?"

Hyper-exaggeration. No one actually thinks intellectual property should be illegal.

But this is also the fact that makes me think you're just making this up. The vast, VAST majority of productive, creative and enterprising individuals that develop this shit sign away their rights to ownership so they can actually have a job.

So you're either some soulless corporate fuck who didn't put ANY work into this product and are just claiming ownership of it or you're some sort of glittering diamond exception to the general rule of how these things work.

"Stealing is stealing, digital or otherwise."

No it isn't, it is not physically possible to steal a digital object. The closest equivalent would be copying and then deleting the original where only one exists.

"I have given out millions of copies of a piece of popular software. Is it ok if I sell some commercial versions?"

Hurr durr no, no capitalism allowed. Clearly what this issue is about. Certainly not about an overextension of the Federal government into a minor problem despite the overwhelming amount of ridiculous copyright protection laws and that all those industries make hand-over-fist every year.

"Or do I have to contribute all of my time and effort to please people that feel entitled to take things that are for sale, and refuse to pay, in other words thieves."

Yeah, if one of your consumers lets their friend borrow their disc, I'm sure you'd have the same conviction as this! Right?

Or you could stop bitching and make good things, which people will buy, and stop crying over imaginary losses in revenue even though tech business is doing better now than ever.

Oh right, that would require you to actually have done any of the things you just lied about in this post.

Nevermind.

You can take whatever tack you want on my post.
I'm not lying about anything. It takes a real leap to simply call someone a liar, when you have no clue of what you are talking about. You assume I'm lying, what is it? the amounts I cited?.

I'm not going to post my name, and the name of the pirated software to please someones ignorant ranting, So there you have me at a loss since to substantiate my statement I would have to give up my anonymity here, you are technically right. I'm not willing to give that up to gain your approval.

The people here that know who I am, also know every word I said is correct.
They also know you are spouting idiocies. Congratulations, I may have left myself open for a low blow by posting something about my life that I can't substantiate without revealing my identity. You on the other hand have proven yourself to be a person of low moral character, and given to making baseless accusations to more than a couple of people on this site.

I know ZiggyStrange and the details he has stated and I can vouch for him; I know he is telling the truth.

"I'm not going to post my name, and the name of the pirated software to please someones ignorant ranting"

Then do us a favor and don't base your entire argument on personal details we can't verify. Not that posting any of that would actually be dangerous or a "low blow"

I could, right now, say I was a Federal Agent monitoring your illegal activities.

Who are you to say it isn't true? Especially if I were to respond with the same nonsense you just put down?

This is the internet, you can't provide an argument based on personal details and then whine when someone doesn't believe you.

"You assume I'm lying, what is it? the amounts I cited?."

I mentioned specifically what I thought was bullshit, but yes, the amounts were part of it.

"since to substantiate my statement I would have to give up my anonymity here"

Then don't, and just admit that posting that and expecting anyone to take it seriously was dramatically unfair.

"They also know you are spouting idiocies"

Nice appeal to the crowd, it really refuted my arguments.

Here's a tip, I have three times more connections than you do. People "know" me way better than they know you. And in that context, you're the one that's looking a little suspicious right now.

"You on the other hand have proven yourself to be a person of low moral character"

Are you done with this yet? Do you realize that you've said the equivalent of this in every paragraph of this post?

I called bullshit on your claims, which you've already admitted you won't substantiate. So don't rely on them and I won't critique them. But that makes me a bad person? Give me a fucking break. I don't know you and I'm not obligated to respect you. You're someone who said something stupid on the internet, that's all.

Hopefully, if you make another post at all, it will be dealing with the issue at hand and not playing the victim over imaginary damages to your character.

Although that line of reasoning sounds familiar in this issue.

You don't get it.

It's not about whether or not it's true. It's the fact that he thinks people are required to believe him and respect his position when he's just some random asshole on the internet.

Do you realize that is entirely possible to make and use five accounts to sit around and agree with yourself (shanklinmike) and "vouch" for the veracity of other people?

Someone doesn't get to be all hyped up on their own self-righteousness because of something they supposedly did and then act offended when someone doesn't believe them. I don't even tolerate that in real life, let alone here.

The question is are "you" done repeating yourself?

I agree with you,,, and that would be about 1 trillion dollars,,,, 1,000,000,000,000.00 lots of zero's in that bush/cheeney lie....

Everything Obama has done in the past few months has simply been a smoke screen.

I support Obama but he does need to worry more about education, jobs

as usual. they let greed get in the way of their vision of what future delivery and business models could be, and now they are lost and desperate. personally i hope whenever mymusi.ca launches, it is the death knell of the music industry, specifically the labels, as we know them.

Thanks for posting this. It still applies. Nothing has changed.

Thanks for the truth.

apparently to the PTB the biggest issues we have is sating the hunger of their corporate overlords

THROW ANOTHER VIRGIN INTO THE PILE!!

eventually there wont be no more i guess....

Nicely played!

lol indeed

Guess it will not be retro active and then there is the statute of limitations thing. Otherwise Biden would be pushing a law which would have him a felon and as such under the constitution, if I am not mistaken, would not be eligible for his office. Good historical catch, and yes, isn't it ironic. +^1

I can place Biden in the same sentence as Quayle. I can't do it with intellectual.

ikr? healthcare? 2 wars? ecosystem degradation? poverty? corruption? screw them we need to make sure sony and paramount make their filthy lucre

yup

aye, matey!

Not much I can do about that - I live in Switzerland and have my own political activism here that takes up much of my time and energy. :)

AYE AYE CAP'N!

Done. Pirate!

Yaaar, I be a member ye scallywag.

Don't want to piss off those Chinese thugs. Not when they got us by the financial nuts, while we slobber over potential profits.

i thinkk thats why new paradigms like that at mymusi.ca are essential

because they are conditioned sheep at the mercy of the wolves. we need to make the force of we the people stand for something.

me too buddy

no bailey! not until we are so mad about it, that they themselves are fearful of it. Until then, our words are no more than mere huff and puff blowing in the wind.

As long as we fear them more than they fear us, they will continue to move towards more oppression. Just covering their bets.

Fear is a mighty weapon.

at its purest.. sickening

i hope it is the final one, but sad to say i believe that we are trained for apathy and submission

Great post.

Very poetically put! Now that we know we fd up, precisely, what are the first three steps we should take to remedy it? Allowing, of course, that Obama and dems are lame for the rest of O's term.

erh h h, a chilling, but all too real possibility!

I'm not voting for him again -- even if the right makes a broad sweep of it. Voting doesn't seem to matter anymore. Perhaps that is what it will take, someone like the current Governor of Michigan or Wisconsin to become President for real change to the left to occur. We can work the "Shock Doctrine" theory of Naomi Klein to our own benefit.

Getting to work helping Kucinich win the first series of primaries would be a good start.
Historically though it would be a complete anomaly if the Democratic Party gave a challenger the nomination over a sitting President. Just not gonna happen by fair means or foul. But still, it's a good beginning.
It has truly become time for at third party (and, I hope, a fourth.)
Let's have some real choice in this country for a change.

Other than that, I'd say "tune in, turn on, and drop out."
(Forgive my slight rearrangement of Mr. Leary's cultural call to arms.)

change we can believe in!

Those two industries are two of the precious few that will donate to O's '12 campaign.

That would be "apparently the corporate run government has no money to fix the roads, build a decent public transportation system, or properly fund the schools....."

one would think at this point they wouldnt even feel the need to fake the need for an excuse

This is true.

That's right.

If they can make a link to terrorist activities or organizations as they are loosely defined, under the so-called Patriot Act, they do not need to.