GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

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In testimony to a House taxation subcommittee on Wednesday, Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff of the nonpartisan Joint Tax Committee, confirmed that one consequence of the Republicans' "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" would be to turn IRS agents into abortion cops—that is, during an audit, they'd have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion.
The proposed law, also known as H.R. 3, extends the reach of the Hyde Amendment—which bans federal funding for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is at stake—into many parts of the federal tax code. In some cases, the law would forbid using tax benefits—like credits or deductions—to pay for abortions or health insurance that covers abortion. If an American who used such a benefit were to be audited, Barthold said, the burden of proof would lie with the taxpayer to provide documentation, for example, that her abortion fell under the rape/incest/life-of-the-mother exception, or that the health insurance she had purchased did not cover abortions.
"Were this to become law, people could end up in an audit, the subject of which could be abortion, rape, and incest," says Christopher Bergin, the head of Tax Analysts, a nonpartisan, not-for-profit tax policy group. "If you pass the law like this, the IRS would be required to enforce it."
The proposal, which House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has declared a top priority of the new Republican Congress, has 221 cosponsors and is expected to pass the House easily. The bill caused controversy and sparked a national protest campaign in January after Mother Jones reported that it would limit the Hyde Amendment's rape exception to cases of "forcible rape." Experts told Mother Jones that move could prevent Medicaid from paying for abortions in many rape cases, including statutory rapes. Despite the presence of many other controversial provisions, the bill regained momentum after its sponsors promised to strip the "forcible rape" language. But during Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) highlighted the IRS enforcement issue, which has until now flown under the radar. He asked:
Would a woman have to certify that the Health Savings Account funds she spent on birth control pills or for a doctor's visit weren't used to pay for an abortion? If a woman were audited, would IRS agents be at her house demanding court documents or affidavits proving that her pregnancy was the result of rape or incest?
Barthold replied that the taxpayer would have to prove that she had complied with all applicable abortion laws. Under standard audit procedure, a woman would have to provide evidence to corroborate facts about abortions, rapes, and cases of incest, says Marcus Owens, an accountant and former longtime IRS official. If a taxpayer received a deduction or tax credit for abortion costs related to a case of rape or incest, or because her life was endangered, then "on audit [she] would have to demonstrate or prove, ideally by contemporaneous written documentation, that it was incest, or rape, or [her] life was in danger," Owens says. "It would be fairly intrusive for the woman."
Not everyone has "contemporaneous written documentation" that a pregnancy was the result of rape or incest. And, as Owens notes, adults sometimes pay for abortions for their children. If H.R. 3 becomes law, parents could face IRS questions about whether they spent pre-tax money from health savings accounts on abortions for their kids. "It would seem there would have to be a question about that [in an audit] and maybe even a question on the tax return," Owens says.
The bill contains no instructions for how the IRS should enforce it. The wording of the legislation is so vague that the Joint Tax Committee offered several different interpretations of which parts of the tax code it might actually affect. But the law will unquestionably affect some portion of the tax code—an entire section of the bill is titled "Prohibition on Tax Benefits Relating to Abortion." (A spokesman for New Jersey GOP Rep. Chris Smith, the main author of the bill, did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for the IRS said the agency does not comment on pending legislation.)
"The Internal Revenue Service has no business interfering with a woman's right to a safe, legal, constitutionally-protected medical procedure," Thompson tells Mother Jones. "Private health care decisions belong to a woman, her family, and her doctor—not a government auditor."
Most IRS agents would likely agree, Owens says: "I don't think [IRS agents] enjoy prying around into those sorts of private matters." Another IRS veteran tells Mother Jones he doesn't believe his ex-colleagues would want to enforce such a law. "You can't ask people to go out and ask some woman about what the circumstances are surrounding her abortion. They just won't do it."
UPDATE: NARAL Pro-Choice America, one of the major groups supporting abortion rights, has issued a statement responding to this story:
"This bill gets more outrageous and insulting by the day. Not only would a woman have to describe her sexual assault to the police, but she could then be forced to relive that horrifying experience with an agent from the IRS," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "The 221 members of Congress who signed their names to this egregious bill must explain to their constituents why they want to give the IRS authority to audit rape survivors."
It's hard to know exactly what form "describ[ing] her sexual assault to the... IRS" would take, since this bill hasn't become law. But as I note in the story, "contemporaneous written documentation" is a general standard for the agency, so it's likely that, barring a change to the law, a woman would need to provide such documentation to the IRS during an audit. But what would meet the standard? A police report? Trial records? A doctor's note? Again, it's hard to predict.
UPDATE 2: In comments, HyperTyler asks whether this means the GOP is abandoning HIPAA, the law that protects privacy of health records. Answer: not really. The law allows law enforcement agents to obtain such records by submitting a written request. IRS agents conducting an audit almost certainly qualify as law enforcement agents in this context.
UPDATE 3: Kevin Drum has more on this.
Nick Baumann covers national politics and civil liberties issues for Mother Jones' DC Bureau. For more of his stories, click here. You can also follow him on Twitter and Facebook. Email tips and insights to nbaumann [at] motherjones [dot] com. Get Nick Baumann's RSS feed.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/gop-bill-irs-abortion-audits
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bch8135
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If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be an issue. If it's an issue of "taxpayer dollars" paying for an "unnecessary medical procedure," every vasectomy should also be investigated.
Also, just something I've been wondering...if there was some in-utero test for homosexuality, would the right be so opposed to abortions? I'm not saying one way or another, just a thought that came to mind...
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bch8135
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PigFarmington
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Yeah...this looks constitutional...
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PigFarmington
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eden49
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...once again, the uterus is under attack by the Grand Old Penis...
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eden49
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eden49:
poetically put my dear ;-)
+^d!
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eden49
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Incredulous:
lol...I'd like to see them try and do it down under...(pun intended)...
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eden49
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Littlewolf
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Tell me congressmen - we have a placenta acreta what to do RIGHT NOW?? There's blood everywhere and DIC! Oh and this other patient's fetus has renal agenesis - unable to be diagnosed until this gestational age - now what? The third is anencephalic! WE NEED YOUR ANSWERS STAT!!
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Littlewolf
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Littlewolf
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We don't need congressmen sticking their heads in the crotch of every American woman -
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Littlewolf
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Paratus
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As Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) states so well, "Private health care decisions belong to a woman, her family, and her doctor—not a government auditor."
Good statement and I agree with it 100%. This same logic applies to Obamacare or at least, the mandatory premium provisions of that law which is why Obamacare should be trashed. Question, do the same people who beat up on Republicans for H.R. 3 feel the same way about Obamacare?
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Littlewolf
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Paratus:
the mandatory premium provisions were included as a Republicon provision - at their insistence- why don't you know that???
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Littlewolf
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Saladin
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Paratus:
Nothing about "Obamacare" is intrusive into those "private decisions."
Nor would it be intrusive if it was actually made fully public!
You people live in this fantasy world where the United States has some sort of miracle medical system where there's no forms, no insurance agents and no fuck-ups.
Here's a new flash, we're #36 for our medical system and it, demonstrably, costs twice as much as the next most expensive system, France, to have that rating.
Meanwhile, millions are on Medicare and would literally fight you if you suggested taking them off of it.
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Saladin
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Paratus:
some of them do...yes.
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gatormouth
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Another triumph for those advocates of "small government." Please people. Allowing the use of state power to enforce and punish for violations of ecclesiastical dogma is what the Inquisition was all about. That is one reason "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" made it into the constitution.
"an establishment of a religion" is not just the creation or initiating of a religion, Church rules and dogmas are also establishments of the various religions.
“The establishment of religion clause means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government may set up a church. Neither can pass laws that aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion... . Neither a state or the federal government may, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/establishment/index.aspxDefinition of ESTABLISHMENT
1: something established: as
a : a settled arrangement; especially a code of laws
b : established church
c : a permanent civil or military organization
d : a place of business or residence with its furnishings and staff
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/establishment - 1 year ago
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gatormouth
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BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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It's about fucking time we crack down on these underage statutory rape victims who are cutting into our oil company subsidies.
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BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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bike10
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Guess this one way they provide the jobs they promised?
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bike10
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twinite
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Oh goody....lets get another government agency involved with my uterus. Lets see....yeppers, it's a "less government" Boehner baby.
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twinite
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TheAmericanPatriot
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twinite:
After Obamacare, the government will be involved with every uterus and a-hole in the U.S.
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TheAmericanPatriot:
If the cons can come up with a plan that covers the same number of Americans, they should put out their proposal.
If they can not put out a better plan, then they should shut the fuck up and stop complaining!
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navider
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harleyblueswoman
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They are really dragging out all the crazy looney ridiculous stuff they can aren't they? They got elected cause they were gonna make jobs..........where's the jobs??????????????????
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bundlebear
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harleyblueswoman:
i guess they'll hire some new IRS agents for this
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bundlebear
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harleyblueswoman:
And what they're also not thinking about is that all the fetuses will grow to be adults who also need jobs. If abortions are completely unattainable, there will be many more people in need of jobs.
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bch8135
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stupidamericanz
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Do the man have any say in abortion in america?
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Littlewolf
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stupidamericanz:
Sure men have a say - their uterus gives them that right!
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Littlewolf
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stupidamericanz:
yes, it's called a condom. Use it or lose it.
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bch8135
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stupidamericanz:
If it has to do with their own wife/girlfriend/partner or daughter, or MAYBE their sister or mother, who is pregnant, yes.
If it's any other woman, they SHOULDN'T get a say.
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bch8135:
So by being someone's daughter, sister, mother, girlfriend, partner, or wife I should lose my inalienable right to my body? You can't be serious! What's left?
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Littlewolf
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2damax
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and all that talk about the horror of police states...right out the window as soon as the power is in their greedy claws.
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2damax
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Pharmaceutical companies spend money to make Viagra and Cialis
....but where is the MALE birth control?
So until there is one - Woman own reproductive rights...
Abortion without questions or scrutiny
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You got to love the small government republican a holes
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The GOP is soooooooooo devoted to preventing fetus deaths but has no care for investigating and imprisoning the people who lead to our bungled intelligence leading to the Iraq War, which resulted in the loss of 4000 HUMAN lives.
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EmperorThan:
Ah but that made money for the Oligarchs. And, made sure that the Rabble would stay in their place, which is, serving the desires of the Oligarchs.
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Milieu
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IRS officers as abortions cops and, I guess, the next step will be FBI agents as inquisition cops burning witches. The GOP stands for the moral values of a pretty immoral society only existing in their wet dreams.
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altair83:
What about Obamacare. How many new IRS agents did we need?
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TheAmericanPatriot
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TheAmericanPatriot:
There is no such thing as Obamacare. Conservatives demanded the changes that ruined the health care plan, so call it Boehnercare, or JustDieNow.
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Kitten_of_D00M:
You are my new hero. I went back and read that whole exchange. Bundelbear was incredibly patient, and you were so wonderfully fierce. I will never understand why a person wants to pick a fight like that. He kept trying to trick you into committing to something he could crow about. How childish is that? Do liberals go to conservative websites and pick fights? I can't imagine it. Guess my bias is showing. Anyway, thanks for taking him on so brilliantly.
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TheAmericanPatriot:
OBAMACARE!!! WHERE??? RUN FOR THE HILLS!
scary words make me scared...for all i know this invisible Obamacare could be The Dark Lord. haha Obama doesn't care, that whole bill is a bunch of stupid shit that the Republicans proposed themselves in 1992. - 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot:
It was based on Romneycare and it was fine until Obama came up
basically the same thing. Everyone enrolls, everyone is covered
and the for insurance companies the risk is spread out. They
actually liked that part.......all those extra premiums. The part
they didn't like was that they couldn't deny anyone healthcare.Watch Sicko and you'll see how screwed Americans are when
the insurance companys main objective is profits, nothing else. - 1 year ago
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August_K
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August_K:
Sicko was packed full of lies. Why would I watch it?
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Ok, folks, let's pick a day to satisfy the curiosity of conservatives so they can give up on this stupid wave of Flaggeslation™, and we'll all do this at the same time, giving a whole new meaning to spam:
~*~ SHOW AMERICA YOUR COOCH DAY ~*~
Scan it, web cam it, video it, photo it, but POST IT AND EMAIL IT EVERYWHERE! It doesn't even have to be your own cooch, so guys can play, too! You can do a "stealth cooch" - change your av to a Georgia O'Keefe painting! Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
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Kitten_of_D00M:
how about a Judy Chicago's Dinner Party plate?
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TheAmericanPatriot
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Kitten_of_D00M:
When do you stop supporting a woman's right to choose?
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TheAmericanPatriot
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TheAmericanPatriot:
when do you catch fire and burn out?
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Kitten_of_D00M:
Definitely take your time and think about it. I won't be back until sunday. Have a great night.
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TheAmericanPatriot
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TheAmericanPatriot:
have a great night?
gee zuss you're a class douche... - 1 year ago
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Never. Abortion is a difficult decision that most women weigh carefully, taking many factors into consideration. If a few women are careless, that is unfortunate, but we cannot punish the majority for the actions of a few, either by restricting access to a safe and legal procedure, or by invading the woman's privacy by making her explain her circumstances to a judge or magistrate.
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Kitten_of_D00M
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Condescending prick. I've given abortion a hell of a lot more thought than you have, considering I ACTUALLY HAVE A FUCKING UTERUS, YOU POMPOUS ASSHOLE!
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Kitten_of_D00M
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Kitten_of_D00M:
Quote: I ACTUALLY HAVE A FUCKING UTERUS
My first thought was a response that went something like, "Well, that's part of the value of a UTERUS." But I decided against saying anything like that. XD
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Milieu
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TheAmericanPatriot:
When do you start?
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Milieu
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Kitten_of_D00M:
you see, the thing is that I don't trust women to make the right decision. so instead, it is best to force women to have the child they commited to when they left their ovum ungarded. however, when a man isn't careful with his virility...we should hand the ol' fella some viagra and such. Also, when a man commits to a marriage and then cheats, we must vote for him into our Grand Old Republican party...to show that we stand for family values and our Jesus Lord. Also, when our Representatives commit to making jobs, we should make sure they do some social remodeling instead.
*end sarcasm* - 1 year ago
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2damax
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2damax
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TheAmericanPatriot:
I believe that if you go around saving other people's babies like you're some sort of godly saint that knows better than the child's parent, then you should become responcible for those you save. Will you pick up your responcibility? or will you shun it as soon as you begin to congratulate yourself on a job halve done?
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2damax
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TheAmericanPatriot:
NEVER.
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bch8135
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Littlewolf
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Coming back after church? Hope you someday can admit that Jesus never said anything about abortion
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Littlewolf
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Milieu
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Strength Through Purity.
Purity Through Faith.
Except when you're a Misogynistic Republic Syndicate Oligarchical Tool.
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Milieu
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August_K
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The American Taliban.....taking away womens rights one by one.
Gov. Walker budget bill says Insurance doesn't have to pay for birth control
or related office visits any more. Straight from the Budget Bill.INSURANCE
"Current law requires health insurance policies and self−insured governmental
and school district health plans to cover the cost of contraceptives prescribed by a
health care provider and of outpatient consultations, examinations, procedures, and
medical services that are necessary to prescribe, administer, maintain, or remove a
contraceptive.
This bill eliminates these requirements." - 1 year ago
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August_K
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Kitten_of_D00M
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August_K:
But I'll bet state employees in WI still have coverage for Viagra and Cialis...
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot
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August_K:
And how about light bulbs. Why doesn't the left support a womens right to choose which light bulb she can buy?
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TheAmericanPatriot
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Fuck the environment. Let's just go back to leaded gas. Let's all heat our homes with coal and roasted spotted owls. We'll save a few bucks by closing down sewage treatment plants and just running everything right into the ocean. I don't surf. Fuck surfers. Fuck otters. Fuck fish. Let's drill in the last 5% of the undrilled ANWR. Who needs caribou and polar bears. The Palins will just get them eventually, anyway. Like all Republicans, they're self-righteous and assume they can do whatever they want "because things just always seem to work out." Because Democrats will come along and fix the damage. I am so sick of cleaning up your messes.
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Kitten_of_D00M
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2damax
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TheAmericanPatriot:
and whether she wants to feed her children unsafe meat or not.
*end sarcasm*
why doesn't the right support forcing businesses to hire minorities? that is the commitment you make when you start a business.
How can one support forcing women to have babies, in order to save a few of them...for what? so that they can be killed in futile wars? so they can enjoy the possibilities (including the suffering)? so they can be put in death row? so they can be shot and killed if they try to steal something from you? what is the logic behind not trusting women? - 1 year ago
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2damax
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2damax
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Kitten_of_D00M:
Damn well said!
+^d - 1 year ago
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2damax
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TheAmericanPatriot:
OMG, really? You don't see the difference? Maybe because bad lightbulbs affect more than women and their bodies. I love how you keep trying to trick us with these attempted "aha!" moments. No one's falling for it, dude.
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But wait, there's more!
The House GOP's Plan to Redefine Rape
Drugged, raped, and pregnant? Too bad. Republicans are pushing to limit rape and incest cases eligible for government abortion funding.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/republican-plan-redefine-rape-abortionRevealed: The Group Behind the Bills that Could Legalize Killing Abortion Providers. It's no coincidence that bills to expand justifiable homicide laws have popped up in South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa. Meet the group that launched the effort.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/americans-united-life-justifiable-homici...Nebraska Resurrects "Justifiable Homicide" Abortion Bill
A state legislator pushes a bill that's even more sweeping than the South Dakota proposal that sparked a national controversy.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/nebraska-justifiable-homicide-abortion-b...Ga. Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/02/miscarriage-death-penalty-georgiaThe End of Abortion Insurance? Republicans and pro-lifers are pushing a bill that could have major consequences for abortion rights.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/12/end-abortion-insurance - 1 year ago
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Kitten_of_D00M
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Kitten_of_D00M:
LOL on the picture! You have to admit, he has the best of both worlds with that hairdo...
business in the front
party in the backguess it made him feel entitled or something.
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Incredulous
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Kitten_of_D00M
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This is why I hate conservatives. Hate them. Unapologetically.
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot
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Kitten_of_D00M:
Then you hate yourself because both sides like to tell people how to live and what they can and can not do.
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TheAmericanPatriot:
what? you're free to not abort. you're free to not gay marry. you're free to OWN many types of guns. you're free to your chosen religion. What the hell do you want from liberals? what are they taking away from you? crappy lighbulbs? lead in your children's toys? unsafe meat? kings and tyrants?
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2damax
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"Yeah! Lets keep the auditors busy away from us! You know....and our sponsers! "
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creepy GOPers obsessed with vagina's
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I saw this on Keith's web site first. Does the GOP sit around all day and think this stuff up?! They have to. They have to fill in all those idle hours of not coming up with job creating legislation. Oh wait, they must think this will create jobs. But aren't these the same assholes who decried how many more federal employees have been added since Obama took office? Now they want to add more to the IRS for this shit. It all comes back to one thing. They want to control every woman's life in this country. They are misogynists of the first degree and any woman who supports this party should have their head and self-esteem examined. I just hope this never gets through the Senate. Obscene. And how many jobs has your Congress created so far, Boner? But that's just it. You don't want to create any while Obama is in the White House and blame him for it. But block every measure to create jobs with stimulus money. Dickheads.
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Leen61:
I agree. Very good comment. Now there ready for Spring break.
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SFirman:
Thanks, SFirman. Yes, they've worked so hard at finding ways to screw over the working class, they need some days to re-charge. Keeping up that level of pure evil takes a lot of rest.
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SFirman:
...and no one will need glow sticks at the beach raves this year...
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GOP "The Governments interfere to much in private life"
GOP "Abortion's ain't private it's buisness now show me yer hoh hah"Pardon me for seeming insensitive but please "Abort this bill"
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MDBard:
kill this bill
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MDBard:
this is not The Governments interference to much in private life. Its you voting Booth
they are giving your food money to fox news via Koch enterprise. - 1 year ago
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You have GOT to be kidding ?! The IRS dudes are gonna LOVE that . NOT . What a waste if time and resources this is !
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artemis6:
IRS can't do their job if they are fighting fires in people bedroom over sperm count.
keep the fed busy so i cant get my stolen money back from the stock market
Just look at how many things can they lay in our path while they are raping our children future pillage our retirement privatize our education for the privileged. This sound like General Mills more boxes more choices means more contented over weight people to be servants to diabetes we will blame second hand smoke - 1 year ago
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artemis6:
Not to mention money. So it's NOT ok to use taxpayer dollars to have an abortion, but it's ok to use taxpayer dollars to investigate abortions.
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bluestranger
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If memory serves, one of the gops objections to the health bill was the chance that medical records couldn't be kept confidential. Yet they have no compunction in actively invading a persons privacy in this , the most private medical choice that's made . This is something that is between a woman and her physician. Why doesn't the right have the balls to come out and admit it? It's about religion and misplaced conservative concern into others private affairs. Plain and simple.
- 1 year ago
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bluestranger
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div
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bluestranger:
Only Real(tm) men and fetuses are people, and therefore only they need privacy and protection. Didn't you know?
/frustrated snark. - 1 year ago
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cherry5000
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I am sick of tiese politicians telling me what to do with my reproductive system. Let's do audits on men penises. how about that congress.
- 1 year ago
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cherry5000
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Kitten_of_D00M
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cherry5000:
Shouldn't gun laws apply?
Hey, mister, is that thing loaded? Yes, ma'am, but don't you worry, little lady, it's REGISTERED. Yee-haw.
- 1 year ago
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Kitten_of_D00M
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cherry5000
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Kitten_of_D00M:
thanks for the humor.
- 1 year ago
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cherry5000
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littlwarrior
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Lets hope it gets shot down in the senate.
- 1 year ago
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littlwarrior
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bundlebear
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there is so much time and effort fighting something that is a constitutional right if that energy was put into fixing our broken tax system maybe so that corporations wouldn't pay less in taxes than i have in my wallet but it's more important to worry about a women's va-jay-jay
- 1 year ago
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear:
I hope you are not referring to killing babies as a constitutional right.
- 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot
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SFirman
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bundlebear:
Thats reps. for you. Worry about everything except what they were elected to do.
- 1 year ago
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SFirman
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SFirman
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TheAmericanPatriot:
I think he's refering to Roe v Wade. Constitutional law.
- 1 year ago
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SFirman
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot:
i don't plan on ever getting an abortion and i am sure you won't either being that we don't have the proper plumbing but if someone needs one i'm happy that they can get it in a clean and sterile environment instead of going to somewhere illegally that could kill them. when i make toast i don't consider it toast till it comes out but seriously it's a mass of cells it's not a baby
- 1 year ago
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear:
So you are ok with an abortion at 8 months because the toast is still in the oven?
- 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot
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TheAmericanPatriot
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SFirman:
It was an amendment to the constitution. It was not part of it.
- 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot:
the only reason they would do an abortion at 8 months is if it was medically needed. the average cutoff for abortion is about 13 weeks and the highest cutoff is around 22 weeks
- 1 year ago
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear:
Is that your cutoff?
- 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot:
no i'm not that important to make laws on abortion cutoffs
- 1 year ago
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear:
Well if you ever have an opinion of your own, let me know.
- 1 year ago
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TheAmericanPatriot
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bundlebear
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TheAmericanPatriot:
it's funny how i have facts on my side and all you have is your opinions
- 1 year ago
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bundlebear
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SFirman
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Your right, but would have to be overturned to make abortion illegal.
- 1 year ago
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SFirman
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Kitten_of_D00M
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TheAmericanPatriot:
Change your screen name. You don't have a single patriotic bone in your bitchy, delusional, control-freak, rapist-by-legislation body. MY body is MINE, anything going on with it is MY business, NOT yours or god's. There is no god, but hey, should I be mistaken you can best believe that I will kick his motherfucking ass across a thousand universes for all the suffering he has caused those I love.
- 1 year ago
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Kitten_of_D00M
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Kitten_of_D00M
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bundlebear:
Thank you!
- 1 year ago
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Kitten_of_D00M