Israel Threatens to Use 'Great Force' in Gaza

Perhaps if the Palestinians had bothered to explore options other than violence they would be able to stop the settlements. Non violence can be far more powerful against an established government than violence.

really, cuz as it is israel has signed on to a peace deal wich is just gathering dust in the united nations.unless of course every nation in the un qualifies as corrupt?

by the way, if corruption is such an issue, who are the palestinians to talk.i mean really.
hamas just last month started just taking money from gaza banks.

israel responds with no force 8,000 to 1.it doesnt seem to matter

yeah, africa and china prove your position in the second paragraph to be just wrong.
i get what you are saying, and while the umbrella of power the united states offers israel surely helps them to a degree, myriads of other nations do far worse more often without even so much as a peep from anyone.to act as if that isnt the case is just bullshit.

i would be delighted to discuss how many united nations resolutions israel is in violation of, as every violation has a palestinian equivilent in greater number and frequency.

but if the un is corrupt, what merit do violations have?

when bashing israel united nations resolutions are sacrosanct, but when un resolutions favor israel, they are just invalid via thier corrupt nature?

ok if you want to play technicalities, wich is exactly what the pla does.they will never accept a state cuz they would then have to be accountable for playing global politics dirty.but technicaly they can be in violation.not as a state but hamas and fatah as governmental bodies are bound by the same criteria nations are, as they both wield military powers.

if israel is given a free pass, the palestinians are being championed comparatively.hamas gets the free pass by design.the fogel family gets killed.the bus in jerusalem, and over 200 rocets launched.how muc attention or anylization has any of this gotten?i mean here we are literaly on a thread discussing what israel may do in response to these things, while ya cant find one story about what the palestinians have been up to in order to earn this.this thread has what now, 300 some odd comments, and a bazillion views.how many of the comments are in support of israel?
if you exclude me as this is my theory and i may be leveling the playing field, and you remove crystalman as a zealot.you end up with like a 20 to 1 ratio.israel gets no pass.the palestinians get the pass.under the guise of being 3rd world via oppression, despite doing it to themselves.

hey, ill be the first to bash the united nations.dozens of arab votes united against israel's one?
the united nation is a farse.but that is all we (the world) has.and wether or not the united nations is a valid entity, it still is the place that houses the worlds business.and of that is a resolution for peace with the palestinians, signed by israel,as well as by saudi arabia.wich of course stinks of oil based imperialism, but the terms are not.just its participants.

the palestinians how ever, not even through proxy, wich they do from time to time, have accepted any global peace deal.making israel the party who has made more steps towards peace.

but that is the point.if china and every nation in africa was allowed to be created and respected as a legit nation, despite comitting actual genocides, why is israel not just another amongst the frey?the palestinians population has literaly grown 400 percent, and thier war is one of convinience as israel is a democracy wich means they can talk any time they want.mean darfur is having an actual genocide depicting all the things israel gets falsely claimed of doing.while the darfuri's are being wipped out of existance, the palestinians are stealing thier heat.while we cry for the poor palestinians, the darfuries are becoming a footnote in history.

thier is no equality or balance.

i have dipped into the negative tone area a few times but i try to not do that.i try to treat others as they treat me proportionaly as much as i can.keep it intillectual and im delighted to go on that ride.make it a mudfight, and ill play just as simple dirty.

but yeah, that is what is great about current.ya cant just randomly start with people like "hey so those jews huh" and expect fruit.its nice that current creates a platform for these discussions.

i thank you too, as im pretty fixed in my positions and im dying to understand my opposition so i can appeal to it.ya know peac and all, and if your muslim you may recognize it as takun olam

the palestinians could have had their own homeland by now if they had stuck to throwing rocks and peaceful protests instead of terrorism. Everywhere peaceful resistance was applied to "occupiers", whether that be the English in India, or South Africa, or the civil rights movement in the USA, they emerged victorious. The Muslim response, you know, bombing discotechs and schools and beheading people, for some reason that doesn't seem to get the response they want. Go figure.

say WHAT?! That makes no sense whatsoever. "the West and Israel have refused to negotiate with anyone who is not corrupt to the core" Who exactly would that be? a union of falafel salesmen? the palestinian authority is THE authority that is recognized by the UN. If they are corrupt to the core, as you suggest (and I don't argue that point), they still are the legitimate authority for the Palestinians. And they are corrupt because that's just how they do things, you can thank Arafat and his cronies for that. We don't like them, but exactly what alternative do we have?
To say we "refuse to negotiate" with anyone who is not "corrupt" is just dumb beyond belief. By your illogic, if the PA was NOT corrupt, then you actually think we wouldn't negotiate with them?
what an infantile concept.

NOW you said something that makes sense: "The UN is corrupt"

which is why we shouldn't provide one damn dime to them. And if the UN is corrupt, and the security council is corrupt, and the PA is corrupt, and Hamas is corrupt, then maybe we should just support Israel (which also has corruption, but is the most functional of all the groups mentioned), and let the corrupt Palestinians stew in their own juices.

if you objectively read your fist paragraph you are validating what the palestinians do (rockets/jihad) as an appropriate response to settlements.i just dont understand that.so many alternate options exist when seeking a course of action in response to settlements.at least a proportianal response.not to mention settlements are just the excuse of the day, as they hadnt existed over the last 50 yrs to warrant the aggression.

once again the poor resource denied gazans is something i cant play along with.they have a better quality of life than most of thier contemperaries.i mean shit, yemen would love to be anywhere close to the shape gaza is in.

"The recent wikileaks regarding the PA shows exactly how badly the people have been betrayed by the only 'leadership' we will recognize"

so why is it israel's fault that the pa is the only authority they recognize.they elected them and tolerate them.it is just like all terrorists.why is it reasonable for saudis to be pissed at the opulance of the kingdom and take it out on us.why attack the guys who paid your leaders and not go after your leaders who abused thier position?it isnt anyones fault that fatah sucks other than fatah.this is the pa's game.fuck the people, and when they are angered into action divert the focus of the ire towards israel.it has been that way all along.

welcome to our little piece of the internet, and you will see.if you want check out the flotilla story.
http://current.com/news/92462009_israel-stormed-gazas-humanitarian-aid-ship-10-d...
or just search the israel tagged stories
http://current.com/tags/75912102_israel/

does israel have the option of adhering to un agreements when the situation at hand doesnt have a partner in it?can israel keep its side of a cease fire when radicalized palestinians keep launching rockets?

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I wish more people knew this information.
THE entire middle East was a BRITISH INVENTION,
later joined by France Germany Russia, Greece and Italy.

But ISLAM-KORAN had no KINGS, This" King Thing" is A British creation taken over by American Oil Corporations, since early 1900´s, became American domination, Kuwait, Bahrain Qatar, etc all inventedd by Britian.
So the FALSE KINGS are British puppets, and dictators by Communist Soviets. Soviets falling apart, ARABS, switch to USA like Mubarak Egypt Yemen Bahrain, Saudi Arabia (invented 1933), Just before Hitler´s first 1934 death camps.
It´s one big Human soup that needs to be digested properly so you can get the most nutritional value. Thanks Crystalman.

BRAIN WASHED HEAR SEE IT IN HER speech! Facial expressions speed of speech, observe carefully she has been trained since the age of 4 years old. This is obvious just as it is obvious, that "THEY LOVE DEATH MORE THAN LIVE"

Indeed..what is visible here is an utter callousness, heartlessness....which is capable of genocide.

Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between he who loves the hereafter and he who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and [strives for] martyrdom."

You're on the wrong side, buster.

your moral equivalence is not just simple minded but downright offensive. You are unable to cite a single instance of Jews executing gays or adulterers in the last 3000 years, whereas it is common practice in the Muslim world today and will remain so because while it is an open mandate in the Koran, it is a defunct practice in the Jewish world, which has moved on and evolved. But why am I even explaining this to you? You don't want to know. It's a waste of time. You've kissed goodbye to an open mind and the possibility of learning and chosen to remain fossilised in mindless uneducated bigotry. As for propaganda.....that is all there is about Israel on current...so i post to counterbalance that.
You're in a strange deluded state of denial and I would worry about that if I were you.

This is the last time I will exchange any communication with you.

Didn't you call for NUCLEAR genocide in Africa and the Middle East because it MAY cause global warming to slow slightly?

I know some really good natural remedies for paranoid schizophrenic psychosis. The lithium doesn't work.

once again, palestine shot the first volley. would we sit idly by if mexico compromised our southern border with armed invaders? no wait a sec.....

of course you think that.as human beings we project our thought process in order to try to understand others.and your a bigot, so of course you think everyone thinks that way.

im still not a zionist, nor do i seek the death of anyone.

but keep going with your bullshit.if you say it enough times maybe you will be able to convince at least yourself.

just let me know when the palestinian population ceases growing "ms.genocide in reverse"

amongst a myriad of other statements advocating the same positions held by white power groups.even calls jews zogs.

Well done!

i will accept that false allegation and bow at your feet if you claim the same is true in american politics

brainless moral equivalence alert!! Perhaps incurable.

a million plus people who seek the destruction of israel actively.

It is true the House Negro's did not think Slavery was all that bad. Not surprised at all that Miss Awad has no problems with things as they are.

***Ouch***

That they are searching in vain for a "moderate" palestinian leader.

the rabbi in the mumbai attacks personifies the jewish spirit.
he made me proud

The Palestinian press are saying that an Asian immigrant worker killed that family in Itamar.

Perhaps you may not believe it, but we've not seen Israel come forth with any evidence to suggest otherwise. Maybe you know something that the Israelis don't know yet. Where is the evidence that the murderer of that family was a Palestinian?

unfortunately dont expect much support from the american regime

israel, like us, likes to actualy investigate before making statements about events.
unlike the arab media wich at present claims a vulture in saudia arabia was a mosaad spy, and the shark attakcs in egypt were caused by the jews.

the same media that has jumped to disavow arab involvement in what is classic jihadi behavior

The palestinian press?!!! Don't make me laugh.

Where's the proof that it was a Palestinian who murdered the family?

I've seen none.

Either you're genuinely as thick as two bricks or just downright malicious. I go for the latter. If you honestly believe......and of course you don't.....that it was anything other than an Arab Muslim who slaughtered this family, then you are beyond redemption. As you know very well that it was a Muslim jihadist, and are denying it, or pretending to, then it is clear to me that you are seriously removed from reality and need help.

Where's the proof? Show it to me!

I've seen no proof. The Israelis just sceeamed and telled and called it an act of terrorism. Well, who committed the act? Give us a name. Police usually investigate crimes and have an idea who did it, and if they don't have an idea, then they don't just go around blaming anyone without proof.

So show me the proof! It's very easy. Stop the distractions and show me the proof, WHO killed the family.

only by comparison as ours has not only become propaganda but entertaiment too.al-jazeera is still just propaganda.

the sheer volume of lies they have been caught in is astounding

no proof settlers do shit either, but hey what ever on that right.

cuz an asian dude running into the fogels house is just so much more likely or reasonable huh?

do you often buy into immediate responses? i mean israel did 9-11 right? immediate stories seem to be flawed and require further evaluation in your world right?

once an investigation has concluded.
ya know how reactionaries dont function

like i said comparatively they are better as they are just propaganda compared to the standard we are used to wich is propaganda via entertainment.the slick production and flashyness of how we speak about charlie sheen in the same breathe as we cover world events, makes al-jazeera seem legit.comparatively.

but in reality they are just as biased.only we arent of that culture to notice the nuanced running narrative.

haaretz offers both sides like: gaza freedom fighters attacked settler militants today as a response to ongoing settler adgitation.then they proceed to detail every element of supposed settler activity that is negative.sure they reported on both sides, but only painted one.

to give you an example, for al-jazeera, they reported,and to this day have yet to offer a retraction, that hamas had a parade in gaza and israeli helicopters bombed it.no concern for the fact that no choppers where there.no concern for no missle being seen,heard,or fired.no issue with questioning any details reported to them from hamas.

the reality, as chronicled by israel as well as high ranking hamas officials, was that in the convoy of vehicles that were in that parade, one had explosives not secured.one pot hole and kaboom.20 or so dead.

the al-jazeera journalists you praise for thier coverage, never bothered to think "hey, maybe,just maybe,the guys who are at war with israel shouldnt be taken at thier word in regards to anything about israel".maybe a touch of investigating or verification should happen before we tell the world "this is what happened".

wich of course, to the viewer, wouldnt look as if any bias was present.there was nothing in the actual reporting (aside fromit beng ficticious) that would smack of bias.just straight forward reporting.just with no basis for saying what they said.

just one in a million of examples in wich al-jazeera knows, kicking israel in the nuts is a defacto piece of thier product.just like no wrestling program will ever air without some time dedicated to half naked chicks.it is a ratings grabber staple.so is kicking israel around for al-jazeera.

Show me an article which says the name of the Arab who kiiled the family.

You could end this silly debate so easily if you can provide an article or a link to a legitimate police investigation.

I'm not talking about 9/11 or whether or not an Asian killing the family sounds more reasonable.

Show and tell Zionists...

as i previously stated, i cant cite anything, as no investigation at this point has concluded, making any source that claims to know who did it defacto liars.

what i can do how ever is use the most basic degrees of common sense to reach a position to uphold.

out of curiosity,if you post stories as fact, wich are in actualy just a conflux of deductions, can i simply require a source?can we agree that without a source it is bullshit?

if so wanna have that 9-11 discussion again?

All right I'm glad you finally admit that you have no proof that an Arab Palestinian killed that family.

the only proof i have is circumstantial, wich is more than what you base your "facts" on.

wanna put your crap through the citation ringer?

wanna place money on whos shit in the end will turn out to be true and whos wont?

Ahem, I think it is way beyond apartheid at this point.

well ethnic cleansing didnt work.
genocide didnt work either.
apartied is being unraveled by those who adhere to reality.
so what is next.what is the next means of demonizing israel?
if we get a japanese marketing firm to create the next campaign will it be a super-mega-aparthied?

well ethnic cleansing didnt work.
then genocide failed.
now aparthied is unraveling.
maybe if a japanese marketing frim take the next demonization campaign it will be a mega-super-aparthied.

nor can they exist effectively when the folks next door refuse to get along with their neighbors

they muslim world doesnt need to garner the help from japan. their own propaganda machine works well enough on its own when playing to the american left

evidentaly

a big wall

The PA is led by Abbas who like Arafat his predecessor has refused to renounce violence against Israel.

when your back is against a wall....

Ok. Name one Palestinian leader who has renounced violence against Israel.

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BTW, Good Morning.

or even kindergartens or mosks.
where ever satelite tracking has the qassams that land in israel originating from.