Idaho Rejects Rape Exception In Abortion Bill Because "The Hand Of The Almighty’ Was At Work"

one of you has the nerve to vote me down? for what... not having an abortion... for being violently raped and carrying the baby anyways... or for loving my child like no other child on this earth is loved?
or maybe its because you think i'm some anti-abortionist standing outside a clinic with a picture of an aborted fetus... thats not me... if you want an abortion, ya know, it does bother me a little bit, but its none of my business... i'm not that person that you think i am. i pretty much stand for all liberal views, though i do think that a fetus is too developed at 20 weeks to abort it. that is my OPINION. i have a right to have that. I do not involve myself in any abortion or anti-abortion activities. my opinion on the matter is as unimportant as my opinion on the weather.

but, i am SOOOO happy that I did not have an abortion, even though I thought about it at the time, i couldnt bring myself to it. He is the only joy in my life. He is the reason i smile in the morning and he is the one that i hold when i lay down at night... if that is a reason to vote me down, do it. but say why you're doing it... dont be a pussy.

You have a beautiful child. Good on you for being brave :) You have someone wonderful to show for it.

ty so much... it has been such a hard journey but a greater love has never been

for you to put something of such personal nature on there says a lot. I'm glad you were of a state of mind that allowed you to raise a healthy child. Children have a way of making you proud no matter how they came into being. He's a wonderful reminder of all the good despite everything that's bad....

^'d Not only that, but with defunding of clinics, there will be a huge waiting list and backlog. This is obviously intentional, trying to push abortion appointments out further and further, bullying the woman to change her mind. The women of America are being raped by legislators. There is just no other way to describe the avalanche of hateful legislation, mostly coming out of Georgia, chipping away relentlessly at our rights. We need to remember these attacks, and be ready for the 2012 elections with torches and pitchforks.

you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for using the rape against my child or me. rape is not an inherited gene. i am not raising a rapist. I know you said that to hurt me, which is why i called you vile in the first place. you are a terrible human being.
i actually couldnt afford an abortion until it was too late, according to what i thought was right for MYSELF, i couldnt have gone through with that anyways. I do understand why women would want to get abortions. you have me painted as some kind of crazy anti-abortionist or some kind of idiot pretending to be pro abortion, which i really dont get? and as you said earlier, you shouldnt need a woman to tell you that you dont throw a rape into another womans face. i did what was right for ME...and what you think of that doesnt matter... this world would be a darker place without my beautiful son in it. you go over the line from being pro choice to even suggesting that i am wrong for NOT getting an abortion.
im not pretending to be anything, you snide little bitch. you think there should be no limits on when abortions happen? absolutely no limits? you should be able to abort an 8.5 month old fetus? is that what you think? if that is crossing the line for you, then whats the difference between me and you in having limitations on when the fetus is too old to be aborted? does that make you someone who pretends to be pro choice but you're really not because you think 8.5 months is too late? when does it cross over from a difference of opinion to cause for hatred of another person? its only my OPINION that 20 weeks is too late. I do not make the laws, i am not in any abortion related groups, i dont campaign for or against abortion, im not outside holding signs of aborted fetuses or even telling people what to do with their lives. I DO BELIEVE IN CHOICE... but i also have a child, so when i think about abortion after 20 weeks, it does hurt me to think that the beautiful wonderful child that i have today could have been murdered by me before he had a chance at life. that makes me feel more ashamed than the violent rape that i endured. so that doesnt mean that i am pro or anti anything... its just my fucking opinion, based on what is right for ME... do you hate me because i dont like orange popcicles too? thats about the equivalent... who the fuck cares if i like orange popcicles or not? how does that affect you or anyone else in this fucking world?

i wouldnt take federal funds for an abortion... i didnt want an abortion... i said i contemplated it for a brief moment but it was not the right decision for me. and you didnt even respond to mosts of my posts before... hand my ass to me? lol... not likely... as far as your little internet lesson you're teaching me here... i applaud your efforts... reaping what i sow and all that... how noble of you... lol... sorry i just cant stop giggling of the thought of someone handing my ass to me on the internet... very funny stuff
I was kicked off current ONE time, and it was my choice because i wouldnt back down and kiss the moderators ass... that was before you came here, so you really have no place to talk about it, since you dont know the situation behind it. my other names were deleted because the mod knew it was me, not because of anything i did...
by the way... i do have other shit to do today, so if i dont respond right away, its because i could give a shit what you have to say... you've shown yourself to be a pea brained idiot with no conscience or morals. you attack women who survived rape and overcame its deep psychological consequences. again.. you really are a terrrible human being... and you can say whatever you want to me... but i'm going to sleep fine tonight, and you're going to toss and turn in your own putrid anger, as you always do

ty, i appreciate you

=+^1. This woman, I presume female, reminds me of some of my angry lesbian friends who frequently were subjected to rape, abuse and or incest, when young. Just the tone, and the on and on. Her horse is higher than my horse. She sounds kind of evangelical...... Wide but not to deep.

Not to mention the intrapersonal deficits.

Is that really fair though? What if, to another woman, the appearance of the fetus didn't matter? Would it be ok to push back the deadline? And do we decide on abortion as dependent on the fetus' appearance? Are prettier fetuses less likely to be aborted? I appreciate your opinion, but I think the reasoning behind it is slightly flawed and dependent on your own person beliefs. I just don't feel it is something that could be applied across the board.

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Did you mean to say "all male pro-life supporters"?

if i couldnt take it, i wouldnt be responding... whats wrong with you? you are a terribly angry hateful person full of rage... is it because you're too fat and ugly for someone to get you pregnant... or is it because you are infertile? or... is it because your father raped you so much that you are so emotionally scarred that you cant even comprehend loving a child or carrying one to term?

yes the intended application was towards the pro-life side, this is one of those subjects that makes me shift in my seat so what I mean and what is typed end up at a disconnect from time to time, but thx for pointing it out. I'll shall edit that immediately...

Georgia's attempt to change the word "victim" to "accuser" effectively sets up future legislation to convert "accuser" to "false accuser" upon failure to convict. American women are under siege.

Perhaps prosecution of rape victims?

Of Course, it is after all their fault.... Or so they want us all to believe...

+^'d under the assumption of sarcasm!

Unfortunately the pro-life folks all to often are only friends of the fetus, right up to the moment of birth. Then, good luck kid. Then to boot, they alarmingly are pro war and pro death penalty. Some real disconnect here. Simple said, too much birthing and abortions and not enough education and contraception. The tribe is too big and the divorce rate is what 50%. Go to the alter and flip a coin. This should be part of every ceremony. Drunk drivers have a better rate of success.

I agree with education. But see no right answer. Just differences of opinion on the best wrong answer. Why make it law when individuals, counselors, family and medical pros are better able to ascertain the individual circumstances and best actions?

"individuals, counselors, family and medical pros are better able to ascertain the individual circumstances and best actions" Trust no one. These "professionals" are very limited both in scope and application. Very little science. I worked in mental health (really illness) for 25 years. Not a lot of talent there. The medical "profession" is joke, unless you need a mechanic. No easy answers, but a lot of unasked questions. According to Plato the only method is to keep asking questions and hopefully the right questions.

I have relatives that work in the mental health/illness fields as special intermediaries, acting like counselors to help a patient between doctors/specialists. The field is a joke patient turn over rate is higher than fastfood employment turn over.

I agree! +^d!

I have voiced fear of "rape as a sacrament" previously, thats just terrifying. Especially in a political society affected by any religion. The point of a secular government is reasonability, that should have never been left up to the supreme court to decide...

His rapist still sends him "love notes"?

I know I keep saying this, but we should qualify our statements to say affect POOR girls.

We know that when these lawmakers little girl gets pregnant they will be on the first plane to France.

Geez..that's sounds like the premise for a low-budget horror film....

But it sounds like fun when YOU say it... lol

ROFL +^'d!

its not saimao... saimao hates me

lol

Everything you just wrote is equally as sensible as anything in the bible, if not more so, following its warped logic.

"When he to whom one speaks does not understand, and he who speaks himself does not understand, that is metaphysics."--Voltaire

^'d Awesome!

Ahhhh...sublime. Thank you, Leen61, I needed that!

Thanks again Leen....a voice of reason to begin my day with is wonderful!!

It's April, how much longer must we wait to see Keith. June 20th?

You're welcome! :)

You're welcome! Keith is still my daily dose of sanity along with the good people here on Current! :)

I just keep hearing late Spring. I know, I'm tired of waiting for Keith's show too and I wish it would come on sooner.

This ISN'T a "right vs left" "repug vs demagogue" issue. It's my body and what I do with it or DON'T do with it is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Why should a man have a decision about what is happening in a woman's body? Is he also going to take on 50% of the pain of childbirth, the blood loss, the risk of death? YOUR choice happens at the point where you have the opportunity to handle birth control yourself with a condom or vasectomy. That's IT, and tough shit!

CHILDBIRTH IS PAINFUL- IT LITERALLY TEARS THE WOMAN'S BODY.

CHILDBIRTH IS RISKY - WOMEN STILL DIE IN CHILDBIRTH, EVEN IN AMERICA.

FORCED CHILDBIRTH IS STATE-SANCTIONED TORTURE.

The dad that's the rapist, brother or farther of the mother?

I have to agree with Kitten of D00M. It is and should be a woman's choice. For her it is physical and real. For the man it is cultural only.

It also makes women more dependent.
A young girl may have to be beholden to a man just because she has no other options.

so i'll take that as a no?

and so much for putting the hyperbole aside lol

of course not

how about for the trailer trash ho that gets herself dun knocked up to keep her man around or at least his wallet for 18 years while milking the system?

all i am saying is 5 months is enough time for anyone to decide, and we should introduce a little fairness into the equation, because as we all know every terminated pregnancy is not necessarily from a rape or incest. sometimes its just a post-coital method of birth control

oh and i didnt say he decided what happens in her body. i said he can virtually say ' i dont want this kid' and not have any financial responsibilities if he chooses.

and again.. this article if you read it (you can read i assume) says that the new law simply says you can only get an abortion within 20 weeks. thats 5 months

5 months

hear that again in your zealotry

5
months

more than enough time to decide whether or not to carry to term, regardless of the circumstances. so chill.

i mean ffs how long do you want? the fucking thing is only in there for 9 months after all.. do you think that abortions should be legal and easily obtained up to 6, 7, 8 months? how about 10 months in, if the baby comes out and its hair doesnt match your new sofa?

While there may be some debatable merit in your second paragraph, you destroy your own credibility with your opening sentence which clearly demonstrates that you have a pre-conceived notion of who gets most abortions and your less than commendable opinion of women.

It is men like you that give decent men a bad name. You should probable take more time before putting your raw thoughts in writing or at a minimum, proof read so a to at least attempt to fool us into think you have something of merit to say.

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"Men, their rights and nothing more; women, their rights and nothing less."--Susan B. Anthony

oh lawd yes thats me a he man woman hater. give me a break. are you really going to postulate that the staggeringly majority of terminated pregnancies are of the raped victims of incest and not the 'oh fuck it turned blue' variety?

i am not saying women are more or less callous than men. i am simply saying two things

1) 5 months is more than long enough to decide whether or not to terminate a pregnancy.
2) women deserve the right to choose but so do men to a degree, and while they cannot and should not be allowed to decide what happens with another persons body, they should have at least the right to say hey i dont want this unplanned kid. the man will never have the right to say 'you must keep this child even though you dont want it because i do' but ffs lets try to at least be fair, and honest with ourselves

You may not be a woman hater but you apparently play one on Current TV blogs.

1. The problem is you use a false framing of the debate ... either rape/incest or it is a form of birth control. There are many reasons that a woman may legally choose to have an abortion, some of which may be medical in nature. Five months may NOT in fact be long enough to determine a valid reason.

2. You qualify your own argument ... "women deserve the right to choose but so do men TO A DEGREE" [Caps mine off course]. Noted and correct but only a very weak degree. Ultimately, the final decision must be the woman's whose life is at stake [even in a normal pregnancy] and bears the pain of childbirth itself. When they figure a way to transfer that baby to your body and place you in a position to experience the pain and possibility of death, then a man's right might be equal. Until then, wishful thinking that the two are of equal validity. That is a fair and honest assessment.

That's a huge factor. The majority of single parent families are living below the poverty line. Having a child often makes a woman feel trapped in a marriage.

YOU don't get to decide how long is long enough. I do. My body, my decision, get it? "Fairness"? Are you fucking kidding me?

No limitations. Period. MY BODY. MY CHOICE. YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE A SAY. Again, when the government creates legislation designed to take control of your body away from YOU, you can talk to me about being a zealot. My reaction is definitely not appropriate. It is far too UNDERSTATED, as is the reaction of 99% of Americans to the despicable actions of the Rethugs in forcing their beliefs on others through legislation and restriction of health services.

Men have one choice- listen up, stupid, I've explained this to you many times on many threads- you can take control of birth control by using a condom or getting a vasectomy. That is the extent of male choice, period. Because everything else happens in the woman's body, she makes the decision whether or not to keep the baby. YOU already had your chance to prevent a baby from happening.

Well stated, thank you.

blah blah blah its just as easy to say if you dont want to risk the torture as you say keep your legs closed but what is the point you are a zealot and common sense is far too uncommon for closed minded people like you. seriously look in the mirror because though your words may differ, you are exactly like the x-ian right you abhor in many ways

what about your potential son or heavens to murgatroyd daughters rights to his or her own body? i mean are you really saying NO LIMIT? 9th month abortion? lol then we have nothng to discuss you are a far FAR gone fringe case and there is no point

killing a baby because you decided it was inconvenient to have your precious body stretchmarked is not a religious choice. see i can go to extreme positions as well. why is it that you agree with whatever 'science' supports you and dismiss whatever doesnt as hokum?

5 months is plenty long ffs cmon now be realistic and not just a party line toer. as for part 2. as i said why should a man be forced to pay for 18 years when neither partner took care of birth control properly (not saying thats every case, i am saying in those specific cases) if a woman wants the rights to determine what happens to her own body in this frame of reference, shouldnt she also take the responsibility to make sure she doesnt get into that position? why is it not 50/50? as i said granted the man doesnt go through the body changes, the pain etc.. but i am not saying women should be forced to carry to term if the man wants it, i am saying the man should have the right in the cases where the woman DOES want to carry to term to decide whther or not he will be responsible financially for the child

There is a major difference in the way you and I see the 5 month issue. With my limited experience in women's health issues, I am not willing to set an end date on abortion availability. You seem to have no problem with an arbitrary date, claiming in your opinion, that it is reasonable. I prefer to allow women, their doctors and counselors the ability to choose based on the facts rather than and end date that you seem as adequate. Are you a physician or a health or mental counselor? Is that the basis of your opinion? Or are you just shooting from the lip and five months seems reasonable to you?

So as I read what you say, if the woman decides to carry the baby to term, against the man's opinion, he should go scott free? She should shoulder the entire financial load in raising the child? First your remark about 50/50. Assuming that the man and woman are living separate lives, you place the entire burden on the woman as a caregiver without compensation. So, in addition to working for a wage to support herself, she must support the child with food, clothing, shelter, health care because you didn't get your way? You also assume that your contribution is 100% rather than a fair share of the costs of raising a child. Luckily for society and the courts do not agree. If you are not a physician or health or mental counselor, you must then be a family court judge?

While you have attempted to put for an argument here, I am not convinced by the veracity or logic. you are entitled to your opinion of course, but mine says that the woman is in a much better position to judge than you or I.

Full disclosure: Although I have never known anyone who has had an abortion, I have paid child support for two daughters into adulthood. Although a poorer man financially as a result, I am a better man for it.

I think we are done here.

All I can say at this time after reading most of that thread, is despite your passionate beliefs you feel in your heart(which I admire), I think you should glad that retro-active birth control is called murder.

Another reasoned argument that I see is very unpopular. Kitty wants her body, so be it and maybe the right to lifer's can send her a picture of a 5 month old fetus. People seem to be entrenched. Grief is grief and no karmic debt goes unpaid in those dark hours of the soul. I say let Kitten have her body. Still waiting for her support on my proposal to legalize drugs and prostitution. It is seems to resonate with the "It's my body" theme, with less moral overtone than abortion. Don't you love the sound of one hand clapping? +^1.

Kinda wondering if you birthed any children? My wives have never spoken about regrets and birthing or having their insides ripped up. They were and are excellent mothers, fiercely devoted and did it the old fashioned way without drugs. My first wife of 38 years managed to raise our children, even while fighting bipolar illness for the final15 years.

I've answered you. Current stacks comments in an irrational manner. Not my problem.

^'d Another well-stated remark. Your daughters are very lucky young women to have you as their father.

Hell YES I'm entrenched- why should I give up the rights to my own body? That is the core of the argument. You are under no such threat by the religious right, but that is no excuse for your position. There are many enlightened men who actually have this cool thing called EMPATHY and they are able to imagine themselves in a woman's position of making the difficult decision to end a pregnancy, and understand how horrifying it would be to have the choice taken away or even severely restricted. Maybe I should send YOU photos of women who bled out from coat-hanger abortions, or just died in childbirth, or how about a nice snapshot of an episiotomy, since you seem to think childbirth is a fucking BREEZE??!!

bravo... well said... what a hypocrite... its wrong for me to put drugs in my body but its ok for me to cut a living child out of it? i am pro choice most of the time but draw the line at late term abortions, unless its a life threatening situation... she doesnt seem to care about the life of anyone but herself. she is a vulgar vile selfish creature who lashes out at anyone who doesnt agree with her...

she obviously hasnt had any children or she wouldnt be able to fathom having a late term abortion

if child birth is so terrible, then why does anyone have more than one child? i went through 40 hours of labor, 39 hours of that with no medication. the beautiful result of the pain far outweighs the negatives of the pain. go ahead and call me names and attack me because i disagreed with you. i'm waiting

those women who died out with coat hanger abortions werent worried about the pain of child birth, obviously. and you have never had a baby, so stop telling everyone how terrible it is. it looks way worse than it is.